ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Mark Alldritt
Hi Folks, Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Affrus 1.0 is an integrated Perl editing and debugging environment for Mac OS X. It wraps Perl in a standard, familiar, and intuitive user interface. Affrus is the perfect

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Mark == Mark Alldritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS Mark X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. --

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
Mark == Mark Alldritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Randal L. Schwartz writes: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Seconded. -- Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey ) Culture:

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
This post was a joke, right? Your signature looks like advertising to me, LOL! BPR PS - I did find the post interesting and of potential use, btw, albeit I would deplore crass commercialism. On Mar 11, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Mark == Mark Alldritt [EMAIL

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Brian McNett
On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:57, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Seconded. Way too much like spam. There are ways to properly plug your product on a discussion list. This is

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Lola Lee
At 10:57 AM -0800 3/11/04, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the list originates, I don't see any prohibition

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread John Delacour
At 10:57 am -0800 11/3/04, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Bohdan == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bohdan This post was a joke, right? Bohdan Your signature looks like advertising to me, LOL! By your LOL, I'll presume you're a young'un, not familiar with the ways and means of Internet Email Lists. No commercial promotions. That's

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the list originates, I don't see any prohibition against commercial averts having to do with Perl, especially when it is an application to help create perl scripts. Nor does there seem to be anything else in the page for the list

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Lola == Lola Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lola Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the Lola list originates, I don't see any prohibition against commercial averts Lola having to do with Perl, especially when it is an application to help Lola create perl scripts.

yawn

2004-03-11 Thread Andy Lester
OK, we've now had 10x the volume of the original message squawking about it. Please, no eternal vigilance or else we descend into the swamp posts. xoa -- Andy Lester = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = www.petdance.com = AIM:petdance

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jeff Lowrey
At 01:57 PM 3/11/2004, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Mark == Mark Alldritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS Mark X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. I don't see a big

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Lowrey wrote: I don't see a big difference between this announcement and Sherm Pendley's recent announcement about a new version of CamelBones. And I find the *discussion* of the appropriateness of the announcement more offensive than the announcement itself.

RE: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Deshazer, Earl (GEAE)
Okay, so this was a blatant plug, and I do see the point about not creating spam, but I personally was not offended by this email, because I saw it as an appropriate tool for the goals and objectives of subscribers to this forum. It is arguably as useful a tool for many as Camelbones is (no

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread John Siracusa
On 3/11/04 2:39 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: Let's discuss Perl IDE's on the Mac! I thought the app looked neat and wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. Too bad, like most GUI Perl debuggers, it doesn't seem to support mod_perl debugging... -John

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jason FB
See the SMART thing to do would have been to get a friend of his to recommend the product to the list -- that way it comes across as a recommendation and/or referral rather than a advertisement. As a small business owner myself, I have sympathy for how hard it is to find free places to

Re: yawn

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Devers
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Andy Lester wrote: Received: from boggle.pobox.com (boggle.pobox.com [208.58.1.193]) by cis.usouthal.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i2BJTijo024764 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:29:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from boggle.pobox.com (localhost

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Devers
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jason FB wrote: See the SMART thing to do would have been to get a friend of his to recommend the product to the list -- that way it comes across as a recommendation and/or referral rather than a advertisement. ntk Psst! Viral marketing doesn't work! Tell everyone you

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Joseph Alotta
What is top-quoting? Joe. On Mar 11, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Morbus Iff wrote: * no top-quoting.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Brian McNett
On Thursday 11 March 2004 12:09, Jason FB wrote: As someone who is relatively new to this list this experience has been very edifying. I would ask two theoretical questions: 1. How do we approach this situation with compassion for all of the parties involved? 2. How do we set limits to the

Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Mark Alldritt
Hi All, My apologies for causing all this trouble and wasted bandwidth. I wasn't aware of a prohibition of on-topic commercial content. Won't happen again. -Mark - Mark Alldritt Late Night Software

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Mark == Mark Alldritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS Mark X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Anyone with admin powers able to pull this

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Chris == Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I was the one who started this mailing list. There is no admin Chris of this specific list, last I checked. Chris I fully support this posting to this list. I believe that even if you requested that this list be started, you are still not

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:21, Chris Nandor wrote: Affrus is an excellent product. I hate using the Perl debugger on the command line, it gives me the willies. Affrus makes it much easier to find problems in your perl code, especially when it goes through many modules and files. I only wish I

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Oh, please DON'T do that! I'd love to hear about new releases! And - already we had a good quote from somehow stating that your product doesn't support mod_perl (hey, next release maybe?). It'd be great to hear from people who are using the product - pro's and cons and how to make things better.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Stewart Leicester
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. I fully support this posting to this list. It is a new product designed specifically for Perl on Mac OS X. This mailing

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
- Mark Alldritt Late Night Software Ltd. Phone: 250-380-1725 333 Moss Street FAX: 250-383-3204 Victoria, B.C. WEB: http://www.latenightsw.com/CANADA V8V-4M9

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bill Birkett
Chris Nandor wrote: I fully support this posting to this list. It is a new product designed specifically for Perl on Mac OS X. This mailing list is *the most appropriate place on the entire Internet* for an announcement of this software. The fact that it is commercial is irrelevant to me; as

Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:46, Morbus Iff wrote: Wh! MOMMY! Can you imagine Randall, all sweaty, popping out Pudge, all bloody? That'd be a sight to see. I'd donate some money to TPF for a Photoshop'd rendition of that. Awww - let's leave poor Randall alone, chuckle! This is too funny!

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Wiggins d Anconia
Chris == Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I was the one who started this mailing list. There is no admin Chris of this specific list, last I checked. Chris I fully support this posting to this list. Without such a stand, we enter a slippery slope. It's the same reason

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Rick Measham
Mark, thanks for this announcement. There is no other place on the net that would have let me know about this tool. I'll go and check it out now. Randal said: I will stand by my statement that the posting is wrong until one or both of those entities have declared contrary ground rules, and

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Jerry PS - any Perl/TK users out there? Do we have an FAQ for this yet? I use TK with perl on Solaris alot, but haven't yet turned my attention to running this under OS X. Installation instructions/pitfalls might be a nice thread, if not

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Bohdan == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bohdan Now, about Perl/TK (and I hope I'm not rehashing something on this Bohdan list which I may have missed some time prior) - any body running Bohdan on 10.3? Yes, working just fine. Bohdan Is it Aqualike? or X11? X11. Bohdan

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Wiggins == Wiggins D Anconia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wiggins This makes an interesting problem, if he can't post an Wiggins announcement to a general discussion group *AND* he can't Wiggins post an announcement to 'announce' just because it is Wiggins commercial... He can set up a web page,

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:58, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Bohdan == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bohdan I'd love to hear about new releases! Good, then join a new product announcement list, or start one yourself. This is a *technical discussion* list, operated on a machine

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:05, Jerry LeVan wrote: Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere? Thanks! BPR PS - Mark - Affrus support TK extensions? Could I actually step through, line by line, and actually see my graphic widgets

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Works fine on my stock Panther Perl...Tk-804.025_beta13 Jerry Bohdan Any quick way to install for use? A web-site or page on this? It installs according to the INSTALL.darwin in the distro. You *cannot* use the Panther Perl with it. You have to build your own. My configure line (which works

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Yes :) Jerry On Mar 11, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:05, Jerry LeVan wrote: Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere? Thanks! BPR PS - Mark - Affrus support TK extensions? Could I

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:06, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Bohdan == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bohdan Now, about Perl/TK (and I hope I'm not rehashing something on this Bohdan list which I may have missed some time prior) - any body running Bohdan on 10.3? Yes, working just

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Jonathan King
On 11 Mar 2004, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I came here for technical discussions of open-source software related to Perl on OSX. Not to be the target of adverts. I came here for technical discussions related to Perl on OSX. Not to be the target of people targeting advertisers. And,

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:15, Jerry LeVan wrote: Works fine on my stock Panther Perl...Tk-804.025_beta13 So - you downloaded this from CPAN and just used the Darwin install then? No kludges or anything? BPR Jerry Bohdan Any quick way to install for use? A web-site or page on this? It

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
From the Google comp.lang.perl.tk group Steve Lidie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Feb 28, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Nick Ing-Simmons wrote: Pause [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The uploaded file Tk-804.025_beta15.tar.gz Results for Mac OS X Panther 10.3.2, IRIX 6.5.20m and AIX 5.2.0.0 are close

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
So I'm going to suggest that the bests solution is that everybody just blame ME, call *ME* bad names, and get on with their lives. Like a true sociopath, I'll deny I did anything wrong, but I'll spray paint that message all over Columbia, MO rather than all over this list and its archives. jking

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:39, jtownsen wrote: I have several Perl scripts that I run on Win XP. I'd like to port them to my OS X box. From what I've read on the web, I can run Unix Perl from the OS X console. You mean terminal... (sorry to be pedantic!)... What version are you running now? --what

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jtownsen) wrote: I have several Perl scripts that I run on Win XP. I'd like to port them to my OS X box. From what I've read on the web, I can run Unix Perl from the OS X console. --what version of Unix Perl (Linux vs Solaris, for example)

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Mar 11, 2004, at 6:39 PM, jtownsen wrote: --what version of Unix Perl (Linux vs Solaris, for example) should I use? That's sort of an odd question - one can't expect to run Linux or Solaris binaries on Mac OS X. The literal answer, then, would be the Mac OS X version. That's not a very

Re: mod_perl (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger)

2004-03-11 Thread John Siracusa
On 3/11/04 11:22 PM, Charlie Garrison wrote: On 11/3/04 at 2:54 PM -0500, John Siracusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/11/04 2:39 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: Let's discuss Perl IDE's on the Mac! I thought the app looked neat and wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. Too bad, like