Re: Surprised ...

2013-12-11 Thread Andy Lee
On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:57 PM, list boy i.am.list@gmail.com wrote: But then you crash when you hit that ceiling, right? I think need to learn what to do with browser pages that I want to read later, but nothing (Evernote/Pocket/Instapaper/Pinboard/Safari's reading list) I've tried have I

Re: Surprised ...

2013-12-10 Thread Andy Lee
On Dec 1, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Lawrence Sica lom...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:51 PM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On 28 Nov 2013, at 18:48 , Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: back on a 32

Re: Surprised ...

2013-12-10 Thread list boy
But then you crash when you hit that ceiling, right? I think need to learn what to do with browser pages that I want to read later, but nothing (Evernote/Pocket/Instapaper/Pinboard/Safari's reading list) I've tried have I been able to stick with… On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Andy Lee

Re: Surprised ...

2013-12-01 Thread Lawrence Sica
On Nov 30, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:51 PM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On 28 Nov 2013, at 18:48 , Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: back on a 32 MB 68040 machine, web browsing was relatively simple and easy. But it

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-30 Thread Carl Hoefs
On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:51 PM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On 28 Nov 2013, at 18:48 , Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: back on a 32 MB 68040 machine, web browsing was relatively simple and easy. But it was all text and some images. No video. No dynamic content. No JSON. Come to

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-29 Thread list boy
On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: There's no reason for a standard that says Remote execution of arbitrary code cannot be prevented by the end user without addons to modify the browser. Can we talk about those add-ons? Because these two ¶ below made me pump

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-29 Thread LuKreme
On 28 Nov 2013, at 18:48 , Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: back on a 32 MB 68040 machine, web browsing was relatively simple and easy. But it was all text and some images. No video. No dynamic content. No JSON. -- Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-28 Thread list boy
On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:29 PM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: Are sure that is swap (Swap used in Activity Monitor=Memory)? I've *never* seen swap that large. Yep, double checked. Today's swap used is 39.12 GB, after 5 hours of uptime. (I should have mentioned initially that my physical

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-28 Thread LuKreme
On 28 Nov 2013, at 11:17 , list boy i.am.list@gmail.com wrote: Yep, double checked. Today's swap used is 39.12 GB, after 5 hours of uptime. (I should have mentioned initially that my physical memory = 4 GB RAM) Wow. I can't even imagine that large a swap. My laptop doesn't have that

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-28 Thread Andy Lee
-rw--T 1 root wheel 1.0G Nov 28 15:46 sleepimage -rw--- 1 root wheel64M Nov 28 15:46 swapfile0 -rw--- 1 root wheel 1.0G Nov 28 16:30 swapfile1 -rw--- 1 root wheel 1.0G Nov 28 16:15 swapfile2 In the past I wouldn't have been surprised to see this list get up

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-28 Thread Michael
It pisses me off when I see these swapfile explosions. Fifteen years ago if you'd given me the specs of Apple's puniest 2013 computer, and told me a browser couldn't trivially have 200 web pages open at once, and that it would matter if I left the browser running for a day, I would have

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-24 Thread LuKreme
On 23 Nov 2013, at 15:11 , list boy i.am.list@gmail.com wrote: Can I get a swap file question in here? First some data: MBA 4,2 with a 240gb SSD. The last 24 hours: boot 11:15 am Swap size = 0 GB With Mail Safari (just 6 tabs) open

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-22 Thread steve harley
on 2013-11-21 15:41 LuKreme wrote On 21 Nov 2013, at 12:26 , steve harley st...@paper-ape.com wrote: Safari claiming 11GB of real memory That seems excessive. indeed, but it is just taking what it can; it would probably be lower if the machine didn't have 16GB RAM, or higher if there

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-21 Thread LuKreme
On 21 Nov 2013, at 12:26 , steve harley st...@paper-ape.com wrote: Safari claiming 11GB of real memory That seems excessive. and 143GB of VM! That’s completely irrelevant. My Safari is using about 1GB of real memory and has been up since Monday. -- 'You know what the greatest tragedy is

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-21 Thread Scot Hacker
On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:26 AM, steve harley st...@paper-ape.com wrote: i seem to be locked in a lifelong battle with web browsers and memory; Safari is worse, and harder to manage; leave 50 tabs open in it for a few days and it will use a huge amount of swap; i recently saw Safari claiming

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:48 AM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On 19 Nov 2013, at 09:30 , Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Ashley Aitken ash...@hatken.com wrote: Facebook :-( I think that translates to Flash. The only reason I kept Chrome

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-20 Thread Ashley Aitken
On 20/11/2013, at 12:30 AM, Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Ashley Aitken ash...@hatken.com wrote: Facebook :-( I think that translates to Flash. Or, if that would be entirely covered by the plugin process, they likely keep a lot of connections

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-19 Thread Ashley Aitken
I've been switching browsers every six months or so for the last couple of years but recently have stuck with Chrome because it seems more nimble, has a great print dialog (save to PDF as a printer), and the Task Manager (how else could one see which tab was using all the resources). I

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-19 Thread Arno Hautala
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Ashley Aitken ash...@hatken.com wrote: Facebook :-( I think that translates to Flash. Or, if that would be entirely covered by the plugin process, they likely keep a lot of connections open and then re-render a lot in order to update your timeline / chats /

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-19 Thread LuKreme
On 19 Nov 2013, at 08:52 , Ashley Aitken mrhat...@mac.com wrote: has a great print dialog (save to PDF as a printer) Well, every app in OS X (except, as I recall,t he Adode apps that work very hard to break the OS X print options) can print to a PDF. I use this all the time since I really

Surprised ...

2013-11-17 Thread Ashley Aitken
I was surprised when I first noticed an application bundle (I think it was a version of Adobe Acrobat Pro) took up a gigabyte of disk space, but rationalised it as a lot of extra graphics, fonts, and other resources. But I don't know what to make of a tab in Google Chrome having very nearly

Re: Surprised ...

2013-11-17 Thread LuKreme
On 17 Nov 2013, at 08:52 , Ashley Aitken mrhat...@mac.com wrote: But I don't know what to make of a tab in Google Chrome having very nearly one gigabyte of memory (real memory as reported by Google Chrome's Task Manager and Activity Monitor) and over 100% CPU. I sued to keep Chrome around