Re: [way OT] ... Intel? Maybe not.

2005-06-08 Thread Edward Moy
I'm just a lowly engineer, so such decisions are way above me.  I can  
only hope that the decision makers know what they are doing.


If you believe that Apple can create products at the same price as a  
pc knockoff company down the street, you are going to be constantly  
disappointed.  Apple does not build hardware; it builds systems.   
That includes the software.  Our overhead (such as my paycheck ;-) is  
always going to be higher because we have to pay for all the  
development costs.  And because are systems require unique parts,  
created at a much lower volume than in the pc world, our hardware  
costs are also going to be higher.


We hope that the additional price our customers pay is justified by  
the fit-n-finish that we put into the systems.


As you say this OT, so I should not comment further on this.

Edward Moy
Apple

On Jun 8, 2005, at 8:48 AM, Joel Rees wrote:



On 2005.6.8, at 01:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Sherm.  For those who don't know me, I'm the perl maintainer at  
Apple, and I admit I keep a low profile on this list.  But I  
wanted clear up a few things:




Well, Ed, I'm not Sherm, and I don't have any claim to fame, but I  
wish you could clear up why Steve would do something as insane as  
inserting Apple into the x86 monoculture.


I'd have no complaints if Apple were offering Mac OS X86 boxes as a  
second line. I don't buy the megahertz myth, so I have no problem  
paying a little higher price for the PowerPC Mac Mini compared with  
an x86 of similar clock, even with the FSB rate a tenth of the CPU  
clock instead of a half. On the contrary, low average power on the  
Mac Mini fits it into the Japanese power budget just fine.


The most frustrating part of Mac OS X is the lack of product range.  
For instance, I'd love a PPC box the size of the Mac Mini at half  
the spec and loaded only with Darwin, but with an extra NIC, for  
$300. (I'd by three at $200 each, but I'm trying to make a point  
here.) The current speed/power is only a serious detriment to a  
bunch of critics who won't be buying Macs anyway.


(And, just between you and me, but I don't see why Steve is so  
enamored of Pentium M, especially without seeing whether iNTEL can  
actually push that piece of junk up to 64 bits.)


Anyway, if you by any chance have a communication path up high  
enough to reach whoever decided that PowerPC had to be dropped, I'd  
appreciate it if you could be so kind as to pass on a request to  
keep the PowerPC line going as long as it doesn't just totally  
bleed red ink across multiple quarters.


--
Joel Rees
  The master plan in open source is simple:
  The user figures out what he or she needs and does it.





Re: [way OT] ... Intel? Maybe not.

2005-06-08 Thread John Delacour

At 10:36 am -0700 8/6/05, Edward Moy wrote:

We hope that the additional price our customers pay is justified by 
the fit-n-finish that we put into the systems.


The beachballs in Tiger are terrific!  If I'd paid the full price for 
the upgrade I'd be seriously considering demanding my money back.


JD





Re: [way OT] ... Intel? Maybe not.

2005-06-08 Thread Joseph Alotta


On Jun 8, 2005, at 3:27 PM, John Delacour wrote:


At 10:36 am -0700 8/6/05, Edward Moy wrote:


We hope that the additional price our customers pay is justified  
by the fit-n-finish that we put into the systems.




The beachballs in Tiger are terrific!  If I'd paid the full price  
for the upgrade I'd be seriously considering demanding my money back.


JD



I am hating Tiger, it is so slow many places, I will reload Panther  
this weekend.   The spotlight thing is nice but the performance  
overhead is unacceptable.



Joe.




Re: [way OT] ... Intel? Maybe not.

2005-06-08 Thread Ian Ragsdale
How does directing this sort of thing at someone who worked on a tiny  
little bit of Tiger, which you guys seem to use personally, help  
anything at all?  Unless you have complaints about perl on Tiger,  
these comments seem inappropriate.


If anything, I'd be thankful to have an engineer who works on perl  
for Apple on this list.


Personally, Tiger works great for me, and I'd like to thank everyone  
involved in working on it.


Ian

On Jun 8, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Joseph Alotta wrote:


On Jun 8, 2005, at 3:27 PM, John Delacour wrote:


At 10:36 am -0700 8/6/05, Edward Moy wrote:

We hope that the additional price our customers pay is justified  
by the fit-n-finish that we put into the systems.


The beachballs in Tiger are terrific!  If I'd paid the full price  
for the upgrade I'd be seriously considering demanding my money back.


JD


I am hating Tiger, it is so slow many places, I will reload Panther  
this weekend.   The spotlight thing is nice but the performance  
overhead is unacceptable.