Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Chong Francis
Nope, ARC work on compiler level. MacRuby runtime have nothing to do with it. Currently the GC do these retain and release for us, if they are to be removed in future release of OS X, we have to build our own GC for MacRuby. It would be great because we are no longer limit by Apple to bring Mac

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files -- Workaround found!!!

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Nice... Can someone working on the installers drop a symlink for now? -m Sent from my iPad On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Kevin Poorman wrote: tl;dr: put a symlink in /Application/xcode/contents/developer/tools that points to your /Library/Frameworks/macruby.../rb_nibtool; restart Xcode; get back

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files -- Workaround found!!!

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
tl;dr: put a symlink in /Application/xcode/contents/developer/tools that points to your /Library/Frameworks/macruby.../rb_nibtool; restart Xcode; get back to writing code. I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. -- More importantly which is the bigger bug. as it turns out adding a symboli

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Great job Kevin, I would assume that a symlink would alter the code sig, but I might be wrong. Could you open a bug report https://bugreport.apple.com explaining what you found out. Please also mention radar: 9828745 which refers to the problem we had last time. Also, don't forget to post the rada

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
Interesting news, Using instruments, I am able to monitor file activity and see rb_nibtool being stat'd several times by Xcode 4.2.1 I can also see Xcode 4.3 calling for rb_nibtool. The same exception stat lines appear in roughly the same time frames on each startup of Xcode with a mac ruby pr

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
any reason not to have Xcode invoke it directly from the framework installation? ie /Library/frameworks/MacRuby .../ -pkj On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. This > time it might be more tricky as we ne

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. This time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us to put this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help? Thanks -Matt Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz wrote: > Perha

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz
Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you haven't already tried that) -Marc http://marc-abramowitz.com Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman wrote: > After more testing, I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even > attempting t

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > One thing at a time, the only thing I said was that the GC is going away on > OS X and that we need to find a way to not rely on libauto if we want MacRuby > to run on future OS X releases. But there is no need to rush since the > deprecation

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
After more testing, I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even attempting to find rb_nibtool could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side? On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into > /usr/local

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz
Agreed. There's time before this becomes an issue. And also agreed that having to write Ruby code (or Python code with PyObjC) with memory management would suck. I would hope that either projects like MacRuby and PyObjC would adapt and take on memory management or Apple would reconsider this dec

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
One thing at a time, the only thing I said was that the GC is going away on OS X and that we need to find a way to not rely on libauto if we want MacRuby to run on future OS X releases. But there is no need to rush since the deprecation wouldn't happen until the release after MountainLion at the

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz
With ARC would Ruby code have to call retain and release or would the MacRuby runtime take care of that? -Marc http://marc-abramowitz.com Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Hey guys, > > A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on w

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
Sean, et. all. I am an idiot of the most profound order. If one installs 4.3, and does NOT remove 4.2.1… and then one uses alfred to launch Xcode … one ends up launching 4.2.1 where of course rb_nibtool works. I'm still searching for a way to get rb_nibtool working in 4.3 sorry for the fa

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
Sean, I didn't copy rb_nibtool, sorry for the confusion. I linked /Library/Frameworks/MacRuby.framework/Versions/0.12/usr/bin/rb_nibtool to /usr/local/bin/rb_nibtool try linking ? On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus
Hi Kevin, I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into /usr/local/bin, unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint? Sean ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mai

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
I have confirmed that placing the templates as Watson suggested does work with 4.3 Additionally, placing rb_nibtool in the system path (in my case I linked it into /usr/local/bin) works just fine! I have 4.3, with macruby nightly, with templates and rb_nibtool Can anyone more familiar with

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
the repo here: https://github.com/noeticpenguin/MacRuby/tree/xcode4.3-updates (branch xcode4.3-updates) Contains a patch changing the installation directory for the templates. I'm still investigating how to go about linking rb_nibtool. From what I can tell (limited) Xcode basically just shell

[MacRuby-devel] contributing to the website

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Here is the tutorial we have on the website: http://www.macruby.org/documentation/website-contributions.html I just added a .rvmrc file and a Gemfile (bundler) so anyone should be able to run webby to build the site locally https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRubyWebsite/commit/adbc7a2713e0ffcb2656da8370

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
Any volunteers with the requirements / setup to build macruby from source to test my patches to the installer rake task ? Unfortunately llvm looks like it's going to be compiling for quite a while here on this box. -pkj On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Hey guys, > > A f

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
I'm going to add a Gemfile and .rvmrc file but the tutorial is there: http://www.macruby.org/documentation/website-contributions.html Once you load the site with the new design, you will see some placeholders and things that could be improved. I think what would be nice would be to show why MacRuby

Re: [MacRuby-devel] 'rake spec:ci' causing crash (built from HEAD)

2012-02-18 Thread Mark Rada
Hi Andy, I believe Watson is already tracking output from running spec:ci on MacRuby every night. https://github.com/Watson1978/macruby-test Is that what you were looking for? On 2012-02-17, at 9:59 PM, Andy Park wrote: > Hi, > > I've only recently started compiling the HEAD version, mainl

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
I wasn't even aware there was a contribute to the website section. I'll check it out. I was trying webby (head) and 1.9.3 Can you offer any more guidance as to what you'd like to see added / modified / etc. to the website ? On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Yes I'll do

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Awesome. Yes it would be great to see the recipes there -m Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 5:37, Kevin Poorman wrote: > Rubyists! > > I'd love to help out with a new macruby website. I'm forking/pulling the > linked github. > Regarding content, perhaps there is a place for the macru

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Yes I'll do that later today, I think 1.8.7 is required and webby version before the latest. Did you check the guide we have on the site to contribute to the website, I think there is some info there (outdated but still) -m Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:01, Kevin Poorman wrote: >

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
I've been working with this for the past couple of hours, and am having issues with the version of webby and actual yml errors from the checkout. Is it possible to get a gemfile or information on what version of webby is being used for development? (this is predicated on the assumption that I d

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon
Hi, I look at this. Thanks. - Geoffrey Roguelon Le 18 févr. 2012 à 10:50, Matt Aimonetti a écrit : > Salut Geoffrey, you can find the templates and installers in our main github > repo: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby/tree/master/misc > (installers are in the release folder) _

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon
I'm not sure because whereas one crash to first launch of storyboard, after none crash when I navigate in different part of Xcode. I could create a new MacRuby project, add Ruby class and modify the view without problem… Le 18 févr. 2012 à 11:34, Sean Mateus a écrit : > I believe the since Xco

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Watson
Hi, Unfortunately, I know only a few things about rb_nibtool. - rb_nibtool provides the information for Interface Builder to connect Outlets/Actions. - When open the xib file with IB, rb_nibtool analyzes the Ruby scripts and generates Outlets/Actions information. I don't know how to be called rb_

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman
Rubyists! I'd love to help out with a new macruby website. I'm forking/pulling the linked github. Regarding content, perhaps there is a place for the macruby Recipes i've been kicking out on a new site? I'm also going to take a shot at the installer here in a minute, and the sublime text2 bu

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus
Hi Watson, can you give some/small input on how rb_nibtool is actived when a file changes? I tried to figure it out, but I didn’t succeed! why should we move the rb_nibtool? thx Sean Mateus ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforg

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen
Watson, Thanks for the hint! By doing this, at lease creating 'MacRuby Application' has no problem. Haven't checked other template yet. Cheers, James On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Watson wrote: > Hi, > > If you want to move MacRuby's Templetes into User folder, > > 1. create "~/Library/Dev

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread B. Ohr
> > ……. Or maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version > (thoughts?) Oh, please do not! I am still running snow leopard and Xcode 4.2! ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/ma

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Watson
Hi, If you want to move MacRuby's Templetes into User folder, 1. create "~/Library/Developer/Xcode/Templates/Application" 2. copy "misc/xcode4-templates/File Templates" and "misc/xcode4-templates/Project Templates" into above folder. However, I don't know whether move the rb_nibtool as same way

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen
It seems we can put templates in user's application support location instead of /Develper: ~/Library/Application Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode Still need to update template though. Copying current templates to that location doesn't work. James On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Chen wrote

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen
The user's shared folder for that is ~/Library/Application Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode, but simply copying MacRuby's templates into that folder doesn't seem to work. James On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Sean Mateus wrote: > Hallo Geoffrey, > * > * > I believe the since Xcode is a signed app

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus
Hallo Geoffrey, * * I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle, you can’t change its content! this must be the reason why it crashes! I still have no idea how we can add the Macruby templates, I hope some has a better idea! I hope there were a possibility just to put the templates

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen
Yes Matt, I'm definitely willing to help. I will have a look later. James On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where > they live did. > Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;) > > Thanks

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Salut Geoffrey, you can find the templates and installers in our main github repo: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby/tree/master/misc (installers are in the release folder) Let's start a new thread and thanks for volunteering to look at that :) -m Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:37,

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon
Hi, Are installer code located in public place (GitHub) ? Best regards. - Geoffrey Roguelon Le 18 févr. 2012 à 10:26, Matt Aimonetti a écrit : > Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where they > live did. > Are you volunteering to update our installer to cove

[MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon
Hi, I post a question on Twitter : https://twitter.com/#!/MacRuby/status/170616426959351808 So, I've installed MacRuby 0.10 downloaded from the MacRuby website. And before, I've proceeded to the update of Xcode to 4.3. Whenever, I want to create a new Xcode project, I don't see MacRuby projec

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where they live did. Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;) Thanks in advance, - Matt On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen wrote: > Matt, > > Great and excited to hear all these! > > Regarding Xcod

Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen
Matt, Great and excited to hear all these! Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not be a big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used. Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates! Thanks a lot! James On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti w

[MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Hey guys, A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion. First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and