Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Lopes
Can't agree more with Jordan. I just raised this question to know if I'm doing something wrong or 32mb is the right size. I already read the sources of MacRuby and I hope to help in near future (my C and ObjC isn't so good). On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Folks, I th

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Folks, I think everyone needs to also put this into perspective. We have a very finite amount of engineering resources to devote to MacRuby development (as anyone who has followed the mailing list for the last year or so already knows) and we don't even run Rails yet. In the grander scheme of

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread robert gleeson
Agreed, compression can help but the point is all MacRuby applications have a base-size of 30MB, while other dynamically linked Objective-C applications that do the same task are a lot smaller. Our application is 30MB before we write anything. I think thats the problem, even with compression(alt

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread Daniel Lopes
I agree... and we also can dmg the app and probably it will be smaller than the zip version. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jakub Suder wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 16:05, robert gleeson wrote: > > I agree, 100%, with Dave Baldwin. It would be nice to see the overall > size > > of a MacRu

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread Jakub Suder
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 16:05, robert gleeson wrote: > I agree, 100%, with Dave Baldwin. It would be nice to see the overall size > of a MacRuby application reduced to somewhere between 5-8MB because of the > reasons he listed. I don't think MacRuby can be a big player until we can > distribute sm

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread robert gleeson
I agree, 100%, with Dave Baldwin. It would be nice to see the overall size of a MacRuby application reduced to somewhere between 5-8MB because of the reasons he listed. I don't think MacRuby can be a big player until we can distribute smaller apps. Rob On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:35, Dave Baldwin wr

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-15 Thread Dave Baldwin
On 14 Apr 2010, at 19:47, Daniel Lopes wrote: > Ops, sorry... small typo == isn't a big issue. Nobody cares for 10mb or 30mb > today. I disagree strongly. I have not downloaded apps because their size seems way out of kilter with the functionality they offer. Who wants to support gratuitous

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-14 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Agreed, especially if you dmg your app when you ship it :) On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Daniel Lopes wrote: > Ops, sorry... small typo == isn't a big issue. Nobody cares for 10mb or > 30mb today. > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Aimonetti > wrote: > >> Daniel, can you explain why y

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-14 Thread Daniel Lopes
Ops, sorry... small typo == isn't a big issue. Nobody cares for 10mb or 30mb today. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote: > Daniel, can you explain why you think it's a big issue? Maybe we can help > with some temporary solutions. > > - Matt > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:13 AM,

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-14 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Daniel, can you explain why you think it's a big issue? Maybe we can help with some temporary solutions. - Matt On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Lopes wrote: > Thanks Laurent, but I also think the size of apps in Mac dev is a big > issue. > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Gary Weaver

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-14 Thread Daniel Lopes
Thanks Laurent, but I also think the size of apps in Mac dev is a big issue. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Gary Weaver wrote: > Laurent, > > Thanks! That is awesome! > > Will this reduce the footprint of HotCocoa apps as well? > > Thanks, > > Gary > > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Laurent Sa

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-14 Thread Gary Weaver
Laurent, Thanks! That is awesome! Will this reduce the footprint of HotCocoa apps as well? Thanks, Gary On Apr 9, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > As Matt said, it is possible to trim out your .app bundle to only ship what's > really needed. If you do not need t

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-09 Thread Laurent Sansonetti
Hi Daniel, As Matt said, it is possible to trim out your .app bundle to only ship what's really needed. If you do not need the standard library and extensions, removing them might free some memory. I believe the min. size is about 20MB then (I'm not exactly certain though), for both 32-bit and

Re: [MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-08 Thread Matt Aimonetti
Daniel, Welcome to the list. Currently MacRuby doesn't optimize the output size. There are few things you can do to reduce the file size, such as not including the Ruby 1.9 standard library with your app if you don't need it. In the future the app size should be reduced by only including the libra

[MacRuby-devel] Size of the apps

2010-04-07 Thread Daniel Lopes
Hello, this is my first post here and I am new in the Apple Dev/MacRuby. I don't know if this the right mailing list, I don't found any other in the MacRuby site related to questions about development. So, if this mail isn't appropriate here please let me know. Some days ago, in a sample app, I tri