Re: Scanning software like Kurzweil for the Mac?

2011-09-19 Thread Greg Aikens
Learning Ally's Read Here software and book downloader work on the mac. On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Allison Mervis wrote: Hi Becky. I believe that RFB (or learning ally as they're now called) has a downloader and book reading software for the mac. I would double check at they're website

Re: Some questions about pages

2011-09-14 Thread Greg Aikens
The text page of the inspector has three tabs. The one with spacing is also called text. -Greg On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Shannon Dyer wrote: So, I found the inspector, but I can't figure out where double spacing is. I looked in document, in text, and in layout. It didn't list double

Re: Pages

2011-09-12 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Ezzie, The header section is where you put anything you want at the top of the page, especially recurring text such as your last name. This is a great place for your name and it is where the page number will go. Footers are for things like footnotes. Add page numbers by going into

Re: Voiceover on, speech off, what did I do?

2011-08-24 Thread Greg Aikens
Try a three finger double tap on the track pad with the track pad commander on. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Bill Holton wrote: Hi.My cat crawled on my keyboard and turned VO off. I can turn it on again with command f 5, but it says “Voiceover on, speech off,” and then goes silent. I

Re: excel spreadsheets in Numbers

2011-08-10 Thread Greg Aikens
To edit a cell, press option+enter on the cell. On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Cam wrote: Hi Can anyone tell me how I can edit the contents of a cell in Numbers? I have loaded in an excel spreadsheet, and can read its content, but I can't add anything else into the sheet and I can't edit

Re: piano pub?

2011-06-26 Thread Greg Aikens
I don't believe Pandora lets you move back a song, so you won't be able to do that. As far as picking a new station, make sure to turn off the VO trackpad commander and then click the trackpad once you have highlighted the new station name with VO. This assumes that your mouse cursor

Re: Not getting all responses to my EMail messages

2011-06-10 Thread Greg Aikens
Did you check your junk folder? Sometimes this happens to me and I find the missing messages there. -Greg On Jun 10, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi all, For some reason, when I look at the messages from this list, the VIPhone list, and the ProTools Access list, I am not seeing

Re: switching stations in PianoPub

2011-06-06 Thread Greg Aikens
I have been able to click with the trackpad. Make sure the trackpad commander is turned off and that the mouse cursor follows the VO cursor. Also, be sure to give it a double click. -Greg On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Rose Morales wrote: Hi Brianna, Your third choice was the correct one.

Re: switching stations in PianoPub

2011-06-06 Thread Greg Aikens
:(972) 989-3894 Email:kc5...@gmail.com Facebook/Twitter/Skype:kc5gni On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Greg Aikens wrote: I have been able to click with the trackpad. Make sure the trackpad commander is turned off and that the mouse cursor follows the VO cursor. Also, be sure

Re: Pandora clients for the Mac revisited

2011-06-05 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Ricardo, I had this problem as well. For some reason, the update screen for piano pub seems to be completely inaccessible from within the app. I had to get sighted assistance to click on the update button and now it works fine again. Installing the newest version would fix this as well.

voiceover words per minute

2011-05-03 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, Does anyone know the estimate of words per minute corresponding to the different voiceover rates? If I am reading with VO at 80% how many WPM is that? How many WPM is 55%, etc.? Thanks for any help. -Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: voiceover words per minute

2011-05-03 Thread Greg Aikens
For some tasks yes. I generally adjust it between 55 and 80, depending on what I am doing. -Greg On May 3, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Chris Moore wrote: You can follow it at 80? Jeez! On 3 May 2011, at 20:15, Greg Aikens wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know the estimate of words per minute

Re: creating presentations in keynote

2011-04-26 Thread Greg Aikens
@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: 19 April 2011 21:29 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: creating presentations in keynote Hello all, I am attempting to make my first presentation in keynote and I have a question. When I am editing

Re: RFBD Download Manager

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Aikens
I have used it. I had no problems downloading my books. -Greg On Apr 19, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Joseph Norton wrote: Hi list: Any of you have experience with RFBD's Download Manager software? Are there any things I might need to be aware of? Thanks! Joseph Norton

creating presentations in keynote

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, I am attempting to make my first presentation in keynote and I have a question. When I am editing a slide, after typing one or two lines of text, my mac makes the noise that it makes when I type onto the next page in Pages. It does this continuously as long as I type or move around

Re: Bookshare DAISY files and default behavior of Safari

2011-04-17 Thread Greg Aikens
Unarchiver works well with daisy books too. The built-in archive utility does not work for bookshare books. Someone else could probably explain why but I don't know. I just know that the unarchiver works great and is free. -Greg On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Brianna Snyder wrote: Hi,

changing station in PianoPub

2011-03-31 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, This morning I discovered that under preferences you can designate a startup station. As far as I can tell, doing this and restarting the program is the only way to change stations with PianoPub. I'm excited to have an accessible Pandora client but it would be nice to do this

Re: changing station in PianoPub

2011-03-31 Thread Greg Aikens
necessary if you have your mouse cursor set to follow your VO cursor in VO utilities under navigation. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Greg Aikens wrote: Hello all, This morning I discovered

Re: Question About Pages

2011-03-26 Thread Greg Aikens
There is no ok button in the inspector. Just change what you need and close the inspector and it will be done automatically. You can reopen the inspector to check and see if the changes stayed. -Greg On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Ezzy Bueno wrote: Hello List: I'm trying to adjust the

Re: Is This Normal When Using Text Edit?

2011-03-20 Thread Greg Aikens
The left and right arrows by themselves should move you by character. Another option is VO+Shift+ left or right arrow. Hope this helps. On Mar 20, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Christine, Editing on a Mac using VoiceOver is different than using Windows and a windows screen

Re: trouble downloading pdf files

2011-03-19 Thread Greg Aikens
Many times Safari will open a pdf in its own window. It will be a scroll area. If the pdf has not been OCR'd it will appear blank. At this point you can go to the file menu and click save as and it will give you the option to save the pef to your computer. Hope this helps. Greg On Mar

Re: Something that sounds like Eck when leaving message table and Entering a Message to read

2011-03-18 Thread Greg Aikens
VO says the word text when I use VO+J to move from the message table to a message. Is this what you are referring to? On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: Anyone else noticing this? I'm running 10.6.6 on an MBP late '08 model 2.42ghz if that helps anyone. Tia. Egun On,

Re: Looktel Money Reader for iPhone

2011-03-08 Thread Greg Aikens
Yes, just bought it. Works very fast for me as well. Greg On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: I saw the discussion, bought it for my IPhone 3GS and tried it on a 1 and 5 dollar bill. It was really fast. Kev On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I guess. I'm

Re: a look at money reader on tffp

2011-03-08 Thread Greg Aikens
Good work with the demo. Just not sure where you got the idea that it only scans the bills longwise. It seems to work in just about any configuration, even folded at a weird angle. -Greg On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Hey you all I just pot a podcast up on a look at

Re: Accessible MUD client

2011-03-04 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Jane, Could you provide more info about Nuntius? The version I found online is 1.0 and looks like it has been around since 2003 or so. It is also shareware with a 30 day trial. After that it costs $10. Upon loading this software I also had to install Rosetta, which apparently it needed

Re: clicking on emails in header field

2011-03-01 Thread Greg Aikens
VO + Shift + right arrow does not select the from field for me. ButCtrl+shift+right arrow does. Once it is Highlighted, the context menu comes up fine. Greg On Mar 1, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I did. I vo arrowed to it then routed to it with vo cmd f5 and clicked on it and

Re: blackboard and Safari

2011-02-28 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi, I have been using the newest version of blackboard for the last several months. I'm not an expert but I do feel fairly comfortable with it. The only real problem I have encountered is downloading pdf's that have been uploaded. I still haven't solved that. I would be happy to help

Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Aikens
Or after hitting VO+M to get to the menu, hit f for file, e for edit, etc. and hit down arrow to open the menu. Just start typing the one you want and it should move you there quickly. Not quite as streamline as alt+f at first, but its not a major inconvenience. Greg On Feb 24, 2011, at

monitoring progress in Abby Fine

2011-02-22 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, Is there any way to check the progress of a file conversion in Abby Fine Reader Express? I am converting some large files and it would be helpful to know how much time is left or if Abby is still really working. I have had it get stuck before but because I can't get any valuable

Re: [acb-l] Read2Go App for Reading Bookshare books on Apple devices

2011-01-27 Thread Greg Aikens
Pretty cool. I'm looking forward to this. Hope its worth the $20. Greg On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi everyone: Since we've been talking about bookshare, I thought perhaps some might be interested in this information I received about this app. Carolyn H

Re: Double line spacing in the pages application can I do this with voiceover?

2011-01-24 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Maurice, To do this in pages you need to bring up the inspector using Cmd+Option+I. So, first select the text you want to change the spacing for, then bring up the inspector. Make sure the Text radio button is selected in the inspector and then select the Text tab as well. Spacing is one

Re: Inserting bullets n Pages

2011-01-10 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Joshua, The easiest way I have found to make a bulleted list is to first type your list and then use the inspector to add the bullets. To do this, select the text you want to be in the list. Press CMD+Option+I for the inspector. Make sure the text radio button at the top of the dialog is

Re: Growl, what is it, and how to use it?

2010-12-28 Thread Greg Aikens
the speech option... Cheers, Nick On 25 Dec 2010, at 07:15, Oriol Gómez wrote: Yeah there is a rate slidedr I think, in the same place wehre you set the speech option. On 12/25/10, Greg Aikens gpaik...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the tips. Now growl is usable. Is there a way to adjust

considering iphone

2010-12-27 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, I'm looking at getting a new phone because my current one is dying. I love my ipod touch and think that an iphone would be great, but I'm a stingy student and need to be able to justify the $200 for the phone and the additional $15 a month on the phone bill. If there are ways that

Re: Growl, what is it, and how to use it?

2010-12-24 Thread Greg Aikens
Thanks for the tips. Now growl is usable. Is there a way to adjust the rate of speech for notifications? Greg On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, 1st, go into VO utilities and under navigation, select mouse cursor moves voiceover cursor from the pop up menu. Now turn

Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us

2010-12-22 Thread Greg Aikens
Yes, definitely keep us updated on this. Greg On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Marlaina, I received an e-mail last Friday indicating there would be a delay in the next release until early this week. Nothing yet, I'm thinking after Christmas, but we'll see. Les

Re: pages question:

2010-12-16 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Chenelle, To change font options I first select the text I want to work with and then hit command + T to bring up the fonts menu. This lets you change fonts, style, size. Similarly, to change other setting with your text you can select it and then press command + option + i to bring up

trial version of abby fine reader express

2010-12-10 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, I know that under the free trial I can't export more than the first page of a document I have converted. Is there still a way to view the other pages in the document, such as viewing them within Abby Fine Reader? Thanks for your help. Greg -- You received this message because

Re: musicality

2010-12-04 Thread Greg Aikens
On Nov 30, 8:54 am, Greg Aikens gpaik...@gmail.com wrote: The Last FM page does work. I can't get the interfaces for pandora and grooveshark to work though. It comes with a 14 day demo but not sure I would pay the $10 unless I could use all 3 services. -- You received this message

Re: musicality

2010-11-30 Thread Greg Aikens
The Last FM page does work. I can't get the interfaces for pandora and grooveshark to work though. It comes with a 14 day demo but not sure I would pay the $10 unless I could use all 3 services. -Greg On Nov 29, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I've been playing with it a bit. The

Re: Reading bookshare books on the mac

2010-11-30 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Brandt, Check the archives for more suggestions but the method I use right now is to open the xml version of the book in safari. There is a free daisy player called Olearia but I couldn't get it to read from one chapter to the next without manually telling the program to move on. The

Re: iphone app OT

2010-11-30 Thread Greg Aikens
The Bible app from youversion.com works well, is free, and has a large variety of translations and reading plans available. Greg On Nov 30, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Jim Barbour wrote: On the iphone list (subscribe at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone) several folks have talked about using

Re: Numbers and lag.

2010-11-11 Thread Greg Aikens
I get a lot of studdering in numbers as well. I'm using a mac book pro that is 3 months old. I think it is just the way VO and numbers work together unfortunately. Greg On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Chris McCausland wrote: Hi everyone. When using Numbers on a fairly high spec IMac I

Re: #atia2010: RFBD Developing DAISY Players for Windows, Mac, iOS

2010-10-29 Thread Greg Aikens
Anyone know if RFB and D has a program to download their books for the mac yet? Thanks, Greg On Oct 29, 2010, at 4:34 AM, Scott Howell wrote: I am sharing this information since some of you might not be aware. Begin forwarded message: Date: October 28, 2010 10:50:01 PM EDT Subject:

Re: Bible Reader

2010-10-28 Thread Greg Aikens
The Bible app from youversion.com is free and very accessible. I really like it because it has tons of reading plans you can choose from and you can access it from a computer as ewll. Greg On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: Hwello Martin. I don't know about Bible Reader. I can

Re: keynote

2010-10-28 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi, I have only started to work with keyote as well and you're right that it does seem complicated. To move from slide to slide I hit page up and page down. That moves you consecutively through the slides. Hittin home or end will take you to the first and last slide. There must be a way to jump

viewing all recipients in mail

2010-10-25 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, I feel like this has been covered before but I didn't see it in the archives. How can I get mail to display all the recipients in a message I have received? I would like to know who I am sending messages to before hitting reply all. Right now it will list the first two recipients and

Re: viewing all recipients in mail

2010-10-25 Thread Greg Aikens
Thanks for your response Martin. When I arrow up to the header section it reads everything out loud just fine. For some reason mail has abbreviated the list of recipients so that it only shows the first two and then says something like and 3 more... I'm not sure how to get mail to display those

using track changes and comments in pages

2010-10-04 Thread Greg Aikens
Hey people, I asked this question before but got no response. I'm still trying to figure out how to make use of the track changes and comment features in pages. I have a document which my professor has marked up with corrections and I need to figure out where each correction goes. Any help is

Re: using track changes and comments in pages

2010-10-04 Thread Greg Aikens
all the time and can only be successful with the use of MS word on Boot camp side. I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear but for now, that is the way it is as far as I know. On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: Hey people, I asked this question before but got

hanging indent in pages

2010-09-29 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, Does anyone know how to do a hanging indent in pages? I can't seem to find the option in the inspector. I would think it would be on the page marked tabs under text but don't see the option there. Thanks for any help. Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: hanging indent in pages

2010-09-29 Thread Greg Aikens
Kevin, thanks for this. This is much better than just hitting tab on each consecutive line. -Greg On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote: HI Greg, the hanging indent feature is in Pages. Unfortunately, it's not labelled as such, so it's a little hard to find. You'll want to

using track changes and comments in pages

2010-09-27 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi all, In pages, how do I move from a comment or a change into the body of the text? Is there a way to get VO to announce these things as I am reading the text? I can see the list of changes and comments, just have no idea where they go in the document. Any tips are appreciated. Greg --

timer app on mac

2010-09-25 Thread Greg Aikens
Hey people, Does anyone know about a way to keep track of time like a stopwatch on the mac? Any help is appreciated. Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.

Re: losing my place in preview

2010-09-23 Thread Greg Aikens
You mean set the hot spot every time I want to switch windows? On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I think you have to set a hotspot but other then that I don't know as I have the same trouble. S On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: Hi everyone

losing my place in preview

2010-09-22 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi everyone, Is there something I can set so that I do not lose my place in Preview every time I shift away from the Priview window? Whenever I CMD+Tab back It takes me to the top of the page or document. I put Priview in 2 page mode so that at the worst I'm only 2 pages away from where I want

creating an outline from a ppt presentation in keynote

2010-09-20 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi everyone, I'm wondering if there is a way to generate a text outline from a power point presentation using keynote. I loved this feature in microsoft office so I can type notes on the actual slides. It also helps since my prof sends ridiculously long presentations and navigating through 80+

Re: rfbd books on the mac

2010-09-16 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Robert, Last time I checked with RFB and D, which was a few weeks ago, there is not a solution for mac. But they told me that they should have something coming out in september. I haven't heard anything about it yet though. I would try calling them. Greg On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:23 AM,

Re: allegiant air website not accessible with vo and safari

2010-09-14 Thread Greg Aikens
I have used this site on a PC and the steps I used were very similar to what Colin described. I haven't looked at it on the mac yet. Greg On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Colin M wrote: Hi Mary! I've just had a look at that site from the link in your part of this message! I do not know where

changing line spacing, font attributes in pages

2010-09-08 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi everyone, I'm having trouble changing my text attributes in pages. I see a number of pop up menus when I stop interacting with the scroll area which contains my text but they are all dimmed and I can't click on them. I have found some of the same options in the format menu and so could

Re: changing line spacing, font attributes in pages

2010-09-08 Thread Greg Aikens
Great. That helps. I'll have to explore to see if I can get everything I need in there. Thanks, Greg On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote: Hi, You'll need to use the Inspector to change some attributes. Highlight the area you want modified, press command-option-I to bring up the

Re: Blackboard, anyone?

2010-09-07 Thread Greg Aikens
I haven't encountered a flash issue and my school is using blackboard 9.1. When I said using blackboard was tricky I just meant it takes some getting used to. Learning to navigate between the different frames and lists and menus can be somewhat cumbersome. A lot of that is my lack of ability

Re: Making calls in Skype.

2010-09-06 Thread Greg Aikens
When I want to call or chat with a contact I hit enter on the contact name in the list. A window then comes up with the text chat. I then navigate to the toolbar which has several options. One of them is a call button. When someone calls I just navigate around until I find the answer button. I

Re: Bible software for the iphone?

2010-09-05 Thread Greg Aikens
The free Bible app from lifechurch.tv is quite accessible. I really like it because it has a number of daily reading plans you can choose from. You do have to connect in order to access most versions of the Bible, although the do have a handful of them you can download for use when not

reading tables in pages

2010-08-30 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, I am having trouble reading tables using pages. The tables I am trying to read are in word documents. When I get to the area where the table is, my cursor gets sent to the end of the file, skipping the table and everything after it. Any suggestions would be helpful. -Greg -- You

Re: Multiple recipients in to: field?

2010-08-28 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi Mike, Someone correct me if there is a better way to do this. What I do is after mail correctly inserts the correct email address into the field, I tab away and then back. Then I interact with the edit field and move the cursor to the end of the field. I then put a comma and a spac and start

Re: safari, blackboard, and downloading files

2010-08-26 Thread Greg Aikens
to this thing I guess... Thanks for the suggestion. -Greg On Aug 25, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hello, Have you tried pressing option enter on the link that contains the file you want? This works often for me. hth On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: Hello

safari, blackboard, and downloading files

2010-08-25 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, My school uses the Blackboard platform for accessing course materials such as power point slides and course assignments. I can access the site and navigate fine, but I cannot figure out how to download the files I need for my courses. When I pull up a context menu on the link to try

Re: safari troubles

2010-08-18 Thread Greg Aikens
What is the command to refresh the page? I have had this problem every once and a while too. Also, I ran into a page that kept crashing safari but I think it might have been a voice over thing. I could work with the webpage until I moved the voice over cursor across a couple of spots on the

working with pages

2010-08-15 Thread Greg Aikens
Does anyone know of a good resource for learning to work with pages and V/O? Most of it is coming pretty straight forward but a few things have stumped me so far. Working with footnotes for example is something I'm struggling to figure out. Any help is appreciated. -Greg -- You received this

right clicking a link in safari

2010-08-09 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi everyone, I am trying to download some of the podcasts from blind cool tech about the mac but am having a hard time figuring out how to get the correct cursor over the link so I can pull up a context menu to choose to download the file. I tried using V/O + Command + F4 to move the keyboard

skype question

2010-08-06 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all, I just got my mac last saturday and I'm really liking it so far. The learning curve is quite a challenge but I can at least use it. I'm having trouble setting up skype on my machine. I have downloaded and opened the software, but when it is running I can't find where to put my log in

Re: skype question

2010-08-06 Thread Greg Aikens
, Greg Aikens wrote: Hello all, I just got my mac last saturday and I'm really liking it so far. The learning curve is quite a challenge but I can at least use it. I'm having trouble setting up skype on my machine. I have downloaded and opened the software, but when it is running I can't find

ram requirement for voice over

2010-07-26 Thread Greg Aikens
Hi everyone, I am planning on buying a mac. I wanted to know if there is a minimum ram requirement to make sure voice over works smoothly. I know this was the case with windows screen readers last time I purchased a laptop. Thanks for the help. Greg -- You received this message because you are

Re: ram requirement for voice over

2010-07-26 Thread Greg Aikens
, Sarah Alawami wrote: I don't kow the answer to that. mine comes with 4 gig and it seems to be more then enough. S On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: Hi everyone, I am planning on buying a mac. I wanted to know if there is a minimum ram requirement to make sure voice over works

Re: introduction and questions about switching to mac

2010-07-23 Thread Greg Aikens
iWork for all word processing, spreadsheet, and presentation needs. Go to www.blindcooltech.com, and download all podcasts by Mike Arigo. You will find them helpful. Sarai Bucciarelli Personal Come join me on www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Greg Aikens wrote

introduction and questions about switching to mac

2010-07-21 Thread Greg Aikens
. Any direction, specific info on one of these topics, or general info about making the transition would be great. Thanks for your help. Greg Aikens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar

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