Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

[Jessica Moss]

I finally got it working; I’m not sure what happened, but it was apparently 
trying to either install or reinstall Mac OS, and couldn’t, so I called Apple, 
and they helped me perform the command that forced it to restart from the hard 
drive, and now it’s working again.

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 10:43 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> You're probably right.  When I had my 2011 souped up MBP, VO did not work at 
> the File Vault screen, it just beeped.  When I got this new one with High 
> Sierra, I guess that I didn't check the VO settings in Users & Groups very 
> carefully, and made an incorrect assumption.  Thanks for enlightening me.
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 22:23, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m 
> running file volt on my MBA
>  
> I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.
>  
> Simon,
>  
> In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
> MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because 
> it didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked 
> on my new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  
> Anyway, in Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System 
> Preference pane, there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press 
> on this and check which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen 
> and it works both at the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version 
> of the login screen.  One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your 
> account name at the File Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as 
> well.  You could enter either the Full Name or the Account Name and it will 
> be accepted.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log 
> in work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?
> 
> 
> 
> Does that not let you get around this issue?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>  Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button 
> three quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get 
> the prompt to log in.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, 
> that DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for 
> my job.  So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help 
> me get it set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, 
> and I couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
> So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound 
> when starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, 
> which I know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a 
> thing.
> Does anyone have some tips?
> 
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Re: More Volume, Please

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

That did it, Anders. Thanks!

After resetting SMC, VO volume was still showing 100%, but system volume
was now only 75%.

Now, if I can find a EFI fix to boot my Linux USB, I'll be fully
functional again! 

Thanks again for the assist with volume.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I wonder if its time to reset the SMC .
> jJust a thought.
> /A
> 
> > 6 nov. 2018 kl. 14:35 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Good thought, Tim, and I had forgotten to check that.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, both VO Volume and system volume are showing 100%
> > 
> > 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Check how loud the MacBook Air is when playing music from iTunes or some 
> >> other media player.  If that is plenty loud, but VO is still low, then 
> >> press VO-cmd-shift-right or left until you hear "Volume" announced.  If VO 
> >> volume is not at 100%, then press VO-cmd-shift-UP to increase VO volume.  
> >> The VO volume and system volume can be adjusted independently.
> >> 
> >> Later...
> >> 
> >> Tim Kilburn
> >> Apple Teacher
> >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >> 
> >> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> My Airbook volume is showing 100%. Yet I was unable to hear Voice Over
> >> during my last airline flight. I tried directly on the builtin speakers
> >> after failing to hear enough volume over wired headphones.
> >> 
> >> Windows 10, on the other hand, which is also present on this same
> >> machine via Bootcamp, was easily understood because it's volume output
> >> was significantly greater.
> >> 
> >> This is not a great situation. Anyone have a suggestion?
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
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> >> Janina Sajka
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Re: Mac-Mini with wireless keyboard?

[Steve Matzura]

Firstly, keyboards are Bluetooth devices. Anything with an Internet 
protocol (IP) address is Wi-fi; all  else are Bluetooth, or a variant 
such as Airplay.



Secondly, your keyboard will  work fine, with or without an FN key, 
except that you'll have to remember that the Command and Option keys are 
transposed--Command will be the Windows key, and Option will be the Alt 
key. I'm not sure what the Application key does, if anything, in Mac OS. 
Either way, you'll find all of this out when you pair the keyboard with 
your Mini.



Third and finally, the FN key in question is used to switch between 
media control keys and standard function keys. There is a setting in 
MacOS Preferences to set this behavior. Some people prefer their 
function keys to do things like make the screen brighter and dimmer, 
control media playback, etc., and rarely use the F-keys for anything 
else. They need to use the FN key to get the standard F-key 
functionality back. Most visually impaired users, on the other hand, 
prefer things the other way, requiring the press of the FN key to use 
the media and screen control functions since we don't use those much.


HTH

On 11/6/2018 11:08 AM, Matt wrote:

Hi folks, subject says it all.

I've got a USB wireless, not Bluetooth Logitech full size keyboard, 
with a number pad, it even has media keys as well.


I was listening to a podcast, and It was talking about if you can't 
start up voiceover with  command F5, you can hit the FN/ Function key.


This wireless keyboard doesn't have that key, at least I think it 
doesn't.


This keyboard is being used with windows now.

The keyboard also came with a wireless mouse, witch I never used.

So just wondering how I'd get VO started if the keyboard doesn't have 
said Function key?




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Re:

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

What is this for? You left the subject blank.

Regards,
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Re:

[Oriol Gómez]

It appears to be some app for some podcast

On 11/7/18, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
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Re:

[lenron brown]

I don't know how that happened I just meant to send the link to
myself. It's for the IAccessibility beta app

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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Raymond Foret Jr]

I just assumed that they would install the ethernet port built-in and configure 
it for 10GB at cost.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 11:20 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> But Ray,
>  
> You forgot the gigabit ethernet port,
>  
> Or if you wanted 
> You could also purchase the 10gigabit ethernet adapter which I can only 
> assume plugs in to a USB-C port,
>  
> I do wonder if it wouldn’t have just been quicker and easier to put the 
> 10Gigabit port in to the machine as a standard rather than a if you want.
>  
> I know here in nz it’s only going to help the user if they have a  10Gb 
> switch and associated connections to other devices for sharing,
>  
> Our internet is only just gigabit if your lucky.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!
>  
> ON the new Mac Mini, four thunderbolt ports which are actually USBC ports but 
> they take thunderbolt, two USBA ports an HDMI port and an actual 3.5MM 
> headphone jack.
>  
>  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>  
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> How many usb out of one thunderbolt 3 port,
> Open question, it really depends on how many usb a type ports there are on 
> the hub you plug in to it,
> 
> The hub I have at work has 
> 4 usb a for usb 3.0 
> A display port,
> 2 usb-c / thunderbolt 3,
> Sd and micro sd slots,
> At least 1 HDMI
> And an etheernet port,
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's got a couple more ports but I don't use them and or 
> remember what they are.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: Friday, 2 November 2018 2:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!
> 
> I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
> cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd 
> have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out 
> of one Thunderbolt port?
> 
> I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well 
> as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going 
> from dark night to bright day.
> 
> I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
> the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
> would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
> program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last 
> year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until 
> I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade 
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Re: More Volume, Please

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What is the VoiceOver volume?
The speech Volume?
/A

> 5 nov. 2018 kl. 20:26 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> My Airbook volume is showing 100%. Yet I was unable to hear Voice Over
> during my last airline flight. I tried directly on the builtin speakers
> after failing to hear enough volume over wired headphones.
> 
> Windows 10, on the other hand, which is also present on this same
> machine via Bootcamp, was easily understood because it's volume output
> was significantly greater.
> 
> This is not a great situation. Anyone have a suggestion?
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Re: More Volume, Please

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Good thought, Tim, and I had forgotten to check that.

Unfortunately, both VO Volume and system volume are showing 100%

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Check how loud the MacBook Air is when playing music from iTunes or some 
> other media player.  If that is plenty loud, but VO is still low, then press 
> VO-cmd-shift-right or left until you hear "Volume" announced.  If VO volume 
> is not at 100%, then press VO-cmd-shift-UP to increase VO volume.  The VO 
> volume and system volume can be adjusted independently.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My Airbook volume is showing 100%. Yet I was unable to hear Voice Over
> during my last airline flight. I tried directly on the builtin speakers
> after failing to hear enough volume over wired headphones.
> 
> Windows 10, on the other hand, which is also present on this same
> machine via Bootcamp, was easily understood because it's volume output
> was significantly greater.
> 
> This is not a great situation. Anyone have a suggestion?
> 
> Janina
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Re: More Volume, Please

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I wonder if its time to reset the SMC .
jJust a thought.
/A

> 6 nov. 2018 kl. 14:35 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Good thought, Tim, and I had forgotten to check that.
> 
> Unfortunately, both VO Volume and system volume are showing 100%
> 
> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Check how loud the MacBook Air is when playing music from iTunes or some 
>> other media player.  If that is plenty loud, but VO is still low, then press 
>> VO-cmd-shift-right or left until you hear "Volume" announced.  If VO volume 
>> is not at 100%, then press VO-cmd-shift-UP to increase VO volume.  The VO 
>> volume and system volume can be adjusted independently.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My Airbook volume is showing 100%. Yet I was unable to hear Voice Over
>> during my last airline flight. I tried directly on the builtin speakers
>> after failing to hear enough volume over wired headphones.
>> 
>> Windows 10, on the other hand, which is also present on this same
>> machine via Bootcamp, was easily understood because it's volume output
>> was significantly greater.
>> 
>> This is not a great situation. Anyone have a suggestion?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org
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Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,

You're probably right.  When I had my 2011 souped up MBP, VO did not work at 
the File Vault screen, it just beeped.  When I got this new one with High 
Sierra, I guess that I didn't check the VO settings in Users & Groups very 
carefully, and made an incorrect assumption.  Thanks for enlightening me.

Later...
  
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 5, 2018, at 22:23, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I’m sure that in high sierra I Had speech at the log in prompt and I’m running 
file volt on my MBA
 
I can’t think what I would have done differently or may be I’m just mistaken
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: File vault on macs with youch bars.
 
Simon,
 
In Mojave, you are correct.  It didn't work for me on older iterations of the 
MacOS, but that may have just been on an older MacBook Pro as well.  Because it 
didn't on my old 2011 MBP, I didn't even realize that it may have worked on my 
new 2017 model, so I can't confirm how it worked in High Sierra.  Anyway, in 
Mojave, in the Login Options area of the Users & Groups System Preference pane, 
there is now a button named "Accessibility Options".  Press on this and check 
which accessibility option you'd like at the login screen and it works both at 
the regular Login screen and at the File Vault version of the login screen.  
One more thing to mention, I said that you needed your account name at the File 
Vault login prompt, but that is inaccurate now as well.  You could enter either 
the Full Name or the Account Name and it will be accepted.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Nov 5, 2018, at 16:41, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Correct me if I’m rong but doesn’t the turn voiceover on at start up or log in 
work if you tick the box in sys prefs under users and groups?



Does that not let you get around this issue?

Sent from my iPhone


On 6/11/2018, at 7:50 AM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Press and hold the command key and press the finger print sensor button three 
quick times to turn on VoiceOver. If Filevault is on, you should get the prompt 
to log in.



On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jessica Moss mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’ve just acquired what I didn’t know was a MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar, that 
DBS purchased me, only that they’d purchased me a replacement model for my job. 
 So I was a little surprised to find this out when they came to help me get it 
set up, and everything went well until they left, it went to sleep, and I 
couldn’t seem to be able to wake it up.
So I powered it off then back on, only to have forgotten there’s no sound when 
starting it up, so I can’t tell if the fingerprint sender is working, which I 
know we set up and it took, so at the moment, I can’t get it to do a thing.
Does anyone have some tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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Mac-Mini with wireless keyboard?

[Matt]

Hi folks, subject says it all.

I've got a USB wireless, not Bluetooth Logitech full size keyboard, with 
a number pad, it even has media keys as well.


I was listening to a podcast, and It was talking about if you can't 
start up voiceover with  command F5, you can hit the FN/ Function key.


This wireless keyboard doesn't have that key, at least I think it doesn't.

This keyboard is being used with windows now.

The keyboard also came with a wireless mouse, witch I never used.

So just wondering how I'd get VO started if the keyboard doesn't have 
said Function key?


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