Your iPhone apps are tracking you. iOS 14.5 lets you turn that off. Here's how, cNet

[M. Taylor]

Your iPhone apps are tracking you. iOS 14.5 lets you turn that off. Here's
how

It takes under a minute to change a setting that will boost your privacy and
keep ads from following you across the internet. Here's how to do it.

With iOS 14.5, you can stop apps from tracking you across the internet, so
you should see fewer ads following you.

If you've spent any time shopping online, you're probably familiar with the
creepy feeling that arises when you click on a pair of shoes, and find that
an ad for that very pair follows you on every site and app you visit for the
next week. A new feature coming to iPhones ($900 at Boost Mobile) in iOS
14.5 aims to keep your online life more private by giving you the option to
turn off ad tracking within the apps you use. 

The App Tracking Transparency feature arrived with iOS 14.5 on Monday.
Unless you give explicit permission to an app (including those made by
Apple), it can't use your data for targeted ads, share your location data
with advertisers or share your advertising ID or any other identifiers with
third parties. This change -- first unveiled at Apple's Worldwide Developers
Conference in June 2020 -- has drawn support from privacy advocates, and
criticism from companies like Facebook, who say it will hurt its ad
business. 

The move comes alongside other efforts from Apple to increase transparency
and privacy, which CEO Tim Cook recently called a "fundamental human right":
In December, with the release of iOS 14.3, users began seeing app "nutrition
labels" that inform you of the data an app requests before you download it
from the App Store. 

Here's how to use the new App Tracking Transparency feature to control which
apps are able to track you.

How to opt out of app tracking on new apps
When you download and open a new app, you'll get a notification that asks if
you want to let the app track your activity across other companies' apps and
websites. You'll also see information about what the app would track. You
can tap either Ask App not to Track or Allow. 

You can also opt out of app tracking across every app you download by going
to Settings > Privacy > Tracking, and toggling off Allow Apps to Request to
Track. This means any app that tries to ask for your permission will be
blocked from asking, and automatically informed that you have requested not
to be tracked. And all apps (other than those you've given permission to
track in the past) will be blocked from accessing your device's information
used for advertising, according to Apple. 

It's important to note that this doesn't mean ads will disappear. It just
means that you'll be more likely to see generic ads, not one for that same
pair of shoes you clicked on one time. 

How to opt out of app tracking on your already-downloaded apps
For apps that you've already downloaded and may have tracking permissions
set up for, you can still turn those permissions on or off on a per-app
basis. 

Under Settings, tap an app, and then tap to turn off Allow Tracking. Or, go
to Settings > Privacy > Tracking, and tap to turn on or off each app you'll
see in the list of apps that have requested permission to track your
activity. 

All app developers are required to ask for permission for tracking. If Apple
learns a developer is tracking users who asked not to be tracked, they will
need to either update their app, or else potentially face rejection from the
app store. 

Apple believes that privacy features like these are a differentiator for
their products. Cook has said that because the company's business model
isn't built on selling ads, it can focus on privacy. 


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Re: Smart locks that work with HomeKit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

My husband spent the entire afternoon trying to get it installed, and finally 
gave up.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> When I read the subject, I was prepared to recommend the August Smart Lock.  
> I have this and have never had any issues with it.
> 
> I was a bit confused by the installation process, but once I had it installed 
> it made sense to me.  It was pretty easy.
> 
> My August lock is probably three or four years old, so perhaps they have 
> changed the hardware/software?
> 
> I know they have a new smaller version—which I am looking forward to getting 
> at some point to replace my older larger model.
> 
> Jeff
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a smart lock that works with HomeKit on voiceover? My 
>> husband and I just tried to install the August lock. It was expensive it was 
>> a pain in the***, and it still doesn’t work. So, looking for other 
>> alternatives.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Smart locks that work with HomeKit?

[Jeff Berwick]

When I read the subject, I was prepared to recommend the August Smart Lock.  I 
have this and have never had any issues with it.

I was a bit confused by the installation process, but once I had it installed 
it made sense to me.  It was pretty easy.

My August lock is probably three or four years old, so perhaps they have 
changed the hardware/software?

I know they have a new smaller version—which I am looking forward to getting at 
some point to replace my older larger model.

Jeff


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> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know of a smart lock that works with HomeKit on voiceover? My 
> husband and I just tried to install the August lock. It was expensive it was 
> a pain in the***, and it still doesn’t work. So, looking for other 
> alternatives.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Smart locks that work with HomeKit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of a smart lock that works with HomeKit on voiceover? My 
husband and I just tried to install the August lock. It was expensive it was a 
pain in the***, and it still doesn’t work. So, looking for other alternatives.
Thanks,
Donna

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layout pane for braille on mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,

Just thought I’d update you all on my braille layout pane problem..

For a time now, the layout pane in the braille section of the vo utility was 
not showing up.  I’d click on the layout tab and nothing would happen.  The 
type of display was showing up, though, and I could pick things like the 
braille table, etc, with no problems.

So today I just tried clicking on the display tab and the layout pane appeared, 
and I was able to assign new commands to my display!  Not sure why this has 
happened to my mac and display, but the layout and display panes seem to be 
switched around or something.  I have tried this with the display in bluetooth 
mode(my preferred mode), and as a usb device and the same things happen.

It really doesn’t matter to me about this as I figured out how to get each tab 
to appear and me able to modify settings if needs be..

Cait

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Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Dave,
Thanks.
Going to check it out.
Chuck


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> If you’re talking Mac OS, then the best OCR is likely the most expensive — 
> Docuscan +. Scanners themselves will vary, but you should get one with both 
> ADF and a flatbed for books.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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> On Apr 26, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Chuck Reichel  > wrote:
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> Hi list,
> whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
> I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver 
> friendly combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit 
> easier! :)
> Thanks for any ideas?
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Re: Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?

[Brad Snyder]

“Best” is a very subjective term.
I suggest you check out FreshBooks.com.  It is a web-based subscription 
accounting/invoicing service that is accessible using VoiceOver on both iOS and 
Mac.  It has been a while since I’ve used the service, but if I remember 
correctly, I think there is an iOS app that works very nicely.

- Brad -


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Hi List,
Whats the Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?
I need to grab something today and I have a budget for it.
I need something to help me run my recording studio Business and also be able 
to issue invoices & keep good track of the money flow!
Is office for mac the way to go?
what are you guys using?
thanks
Chuck

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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

I appreciate your wisdom and experience when it comes to the Mac. I bought my 
Mac in hopes of transitioning away from Windows once and for all. I once had 
vision and was more than a casual PC user. However, the last few years I have 
struggled with being productive on Windows 7 and `10. I am hoping to become 
productive once again on the Mac and become more than a casual user once again.

I have no knowledge of scripting or any of the advanced functions of my Mac. 
But I intend to learn. I also wish to get back into audio production which I 
did many years ago when I had vision.

I’m far from close minded. If I find that the Touch Bar is a deterrent to 
productivity I will trade my MacBook Pro 13 in on a newer model without a Touch 
Bar when Apple makes one. From what I hear they eventually will.

Thanks for your explanation.
Merv


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 2:05 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> thanks for your suggestions, however I don't find taking away a whole row of 
> function keys something that I can accept. These are called function keys for 
> a reason, they have a function to which you can map something in order for 
> your workflow to be more efficient.
> 
> I'm not a casual mac user, such as listening to music, reading mail or doing 
> web stuff. I am a full developer, and use the terminal and programming IDEs 
> extensively, create my own scripts to automate things and do most of the 
> stuff available on commercial apps with my own knowledge of the system, and 
> even develop apps that help further that automation.
> 
> Giving away a row of function keys that also tend to trigger unwarrantedly, 
> such as when I'm typing, is also a design flaw. In fact, if you don't see any 
> use in the touch bar, this is a design flaw in itself. I want something that 
> is not only slick, and works really well in most circumstances, which is what 
> the mac does, but I also want something that allows me to fully utilise what 
> the designers have given me as a tool for my everyday. the touch bar doesn't 
> match my expectations in this regard, as it's not functional, it lags, often 
> gets in my way when I type and other things, because I have long thick 
> fingers, but with mechanical function keys this would not occur, and it takes 
> away approximately 12 different functions I can map the keys to, such as fast 
> switching between apps, or between different sections of an app. One such app 
> is eclipse, or xcode, some apps in the terminal, a whole set of things that 
> now I have to map to other keyboard shortcuts which is less intuitive, and 
> may conflict with other keys. 
> 
> Long story short, I purchased the mbp 16 because I thought that the touch bar 
> will be snappy and responsive, as I would expect from something as crucial 
> and critical as function keys, but this is not the case, hence my rant.
> 
> This doesn't mean I hate Apple, it's constructive criticism, and I think the 
> guys at apple hardware are in fact ditching the touch bar anyway.
> 
> A++
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2021, at 1:35 am, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time adjusting to the TouchBar 
>> on your MacBook Pro.
>> I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13, and while I don’t find the TouchBar useful, I 
>> don’t have a problem with it because I rarely need to use it.
>> 
>> Perhaps you are not aware that there are other ways to perform common 
>> activities, then by interacting with the TouchBar.
>> 1.  For example, you can switch between running applications by using CMD + 
>> Tab.
>> 2.  VoiceOver users can access the AppSwitcher using Fn + VO, and pressing 
>> the NumberRow 1 key once to hear the current application, and twice to open 
>> the AppSwitcher.
>> 3.  Using Fn + VO + NumberRow 2, will identify the current application 
>> window, and pressing the NumberRow 2 key a second time, will open the Window 
>> Chooser.
>> 4.  Using FN + Tab, will perform the Escape function.
>> 5.  System volume can be adjusted using VO and the NumberRow Minus key to 
>> lower the volume, and the Equals key to increase the volume.
>> 
>> Some of the activities mentioned above can also be accomplished using the 
>> TrackPad Commander, though personally, I find keyboard commands simpler to 
>> use.
>> As mentioned in another post, you could also choose to use a separate USB or 
>> Bluetooth keyboard, 
>> 
>> I hope you find these suggestions helpful, and your TouchBar Mac less 
>> frustrating for you to use.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 00:43, Yuma Decaux > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
>> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
>> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
>> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
>> finger long enough for it to decide to 

Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

yes, Docu Scan Plus ist really the best solution. I like it very much. 

What‘s also quite good is Exact Scan Pro. I‘m not sure whether you have it in 
the US but it’s abailable in Germany on their web side. Vuescan is another 
alternative. But last time I used it it didn‘t support layout detection. Means 
it didn‘t recognized whether the page was upside down.

All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 26.04.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Dave Carlson :
> 
> If you’re talking Mac OS, then the best OCR is likely the most expensive — 
> Docuscan +. Scanners themselves will vary, but you should get one with both 
> ADF and a flatbed for books.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Apr 26, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
> I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver 
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> easier! :)
> Thanks for any ideas?
> Chuck
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Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

[Dave Carlson]

If you’re talking Mac OS, then the best OCR is likely the most expensive — 
Docuscan +. Scanners themselves will vary, but you should get one with both ADF 
and a flatbed for books.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

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Hi list,
whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver friendly 
combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit easier! :)
Thanks for any ideas?
Chuck

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Re: Safari busy on Instacart

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, I’m using a MacBook Air 2020. I’ll download 11.3 and see if that makes a 
difference.

Thanks,
Traci


> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I had no issues on Big Sur  11.3. Not sure if this is fully out to the public 
> though.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 10:39, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I’m trying, or at least trying to try instacart for the first time. 
>> I’ve gotten as far as going to a grocery store page, but then Safari gets 
>> stuck on busy. Any tips on getting passed this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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Re: Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?

[Herbie Allen]

Have you tried numbers?

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 11:52, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
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> Hi List,
> Whats the Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?
> I need to grab something today and I have a budget for it.
> I need something to help me run my recording studio Business and also be able 
> to issue invoices & keep good track of the money flow!
> Is office for mac the way to go?
> what are you guys using?
> thanks
> Chuck
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Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

[Barry Hadder]

I use tesseract from the CLI for OCR.
For a scanner I use an Epson Perfection 1640SU I’ve had for 20 years.  It works 
pretty seamlessly with ImageCapture.


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 11:59, Chuck Reichel  
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> Hi list,
> whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
> I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver 
> friendly combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit 
> easier! :)
> Thanks for any ideas?
> Chuck
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Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi list,
whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver friendly 
combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit easier! :)
Thanks for any ideas?
Chuck

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Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi List,
Whats the Best bookkeeping software for VoiceOver?
I need to grab something today and I have a budget for it.
I need something to help me run my recording studio Business and also be able 
to issue invoices & keep good track of the money flow!
Is office for mac the way to go?
what are you guys using?
thanks
Chuck

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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Yuma,

I agree with you. I’ve learned to live with the touch bar, but after four 
years, I still am not a fan. I’m about to buy one of the new Macs, and I’ve 
decided to get a MacBook Air precisely because I want function keys and not a 
touch bar.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 1:05 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for your suggestions, however I don't find taking away a whole row of 
> function keys something that I can accept. These are called function keys for 
> a reason, they have a function to which you can map something in order for 
> your workflow to be more efficient.
> 
> I'm not a casual mac user, such as listening to music, reading mail or doing 
> web stuff. I am a full developer, and use the terminal and programming IDEs 
> extensively, create my own scripts to automate things and do most of the 
> stuff available on commercial apps with my own knowledge of the system, and 
> even develop apps that help further that automation.
> 
> Giving away a row of function keys that also tend to trigger unwarrantedly, 
> such as when I'm typing, is also a design flaw. In fact, if you don't see any 
> use in the touch bar, this is a design flaw in itself. I want something that 
> is not only slick, and works really well in most circumstances, which is what 
> the mac does, but I also want something that allows me to fully utilise what 
> the designers have given me as a tool for my everyday. the touch bar doesn't 
> match my expectations in this regard, as it's not functional, it lags, often 
> gets in my way when I type and other things, because I have long thick 
> fingers, but with mechanical function keys this would not occur, and it takes 
> away approximately 12 different functions I can map the keys to, such as fast 
> switching between apps, or between different sections of an app. One such app 
> is eclipse, or xcode, some apps in the terminal, a whole set of things that 
> now I have to map to other keyboard shortcuts which is less intuitive, and 
> may conflict with other keys. 
> 
> Long story short, I purchased the mbp 16 because I thought that the touch bar 
> will be snappy and responsive, as I would expect from something as crucial 
> and critical as function keys, but this is not the case, hence my rant.
> 
> This doesn't mean I hate Apple, it's constructive criticism, and I think the 
> guys at apple hardware are in fact ditching the touch bar anyway.
> 
> A++
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2021, at 1:35 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time adjusting to the TouchBar 
>> on your MacBook Pro.
>> I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13, and while I don’t find the TouchBar useful, I 
>> don’t have a problem with it because I rarely need to use it.
>> 
>> Perhaps you are not aware that there are other ways to perform common 
>> activities, then by interacting with the TouchBar.
>> 1.  For example, you can switch between running applications by using CMD + 
>> Tab.
>> 2.  VoiceOver users can access the AppSwitcher using Fn + VO, and pressing 
>> the NumberRow 1 key once to hear the current application, and twice to open 
>> the AppSwitcher.
>> 3.  Using Fn + VO + NumberRow 2, will identify the current application 
>> window, and pressing the NumberRow 2 key a second time, will open the Window 
>> Chooser.
>> 4.  Using FN + Tab, will perform the Escape function.
>> 5.  System volume can be adjusted using VO and the NumberRow Minus key to 
>> lower the volume, and the Equals key to increase the volume.
>> 
>> Some of the activities mentioned above can also be accomplished using the 
>> TrackPad Commander, though personally, I find keyboard commands simpler to 
>> use.
>> As mentioned in another post, you could also choose to use a separate USB or 
>> Bluetooth keyboard, 
>> 
>> I hope you find these suggestions helpful, and your TouchBar Mac less 
>> frustrating for you to use.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 00:43, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
>> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
>> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
>> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
>> finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do 
>> this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to 
>> remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory 
>> to move across to another application or such.
>> 
>> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to 
>> make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being 
>> productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being 
>> efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those 
>> kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian 

RE: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

[Les Kriegler]

Thank you ||Maurice. I am retired and my needs are certainly modest. |When 
thinking about a new system, I have been thinking about the new Mac laptop. I 
have a number of Bluetooth devices including the Air Pods Max and |I do not 
care for Windows implementation of Bluetooth. It works, but I find it to be 
inconsistent. Glad your Mac is working well for you.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Maurice Mines
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch 
bar

Unfortunately the Apple rep did not give you correct information but what’s new 
from a sales person yes you can run when dusters the carryall do you have to 
run it in a virtual machine however two of the manufactures of virtual machine 
software are offering better products for bras to at home users so long as 
they’re not using it for a job. What you do is you download VMware and I can’t 
remember the other company that does any virtual machine install windows 
install a window screen reader and everything new lock and windows and you are 
done that’s what I do. And I will chrome I have a 2020 MacBook Pro 13 inch what 
I was running the windows in virtually because when I’m not using my cell phone 
as I’m doing right now or dictation I must use windows because that’s the only 
operating system the dragon supports at this time. So I have a lot of window 
stuff. But I need some ass. And I have no extreme problems to report. I hope 
this helps.

Disclaimer number one there text written above of course as I’ve been 
discussing has been dictated to the phone via dictation software. There may be 
errors in the above text if there are at least you not being able to understand 
something please reach out to me and asked me what my original intent was. I 
hope to assist you in clearing up any misunderstandings you may have based on 
that above text.

Please also note that the above comments and door positions etc. online mine. 
They do not reflect the views of the national Federation of the blind, or in 
the national Federation of the blind Deafblind division. Thank you very much 
for reading rest.

PS the virtual machine software as I mentioned above is being offered with no 
charge by two of the companies. VMware and the other company that I can’t 
remember the name of at the present time. And it varies with being where my 
I’ve had no real problems with either Josh or NVDA. Also please be aware that 
the jobs that you run must be paid to your license and yes you can authorize it 
and the really really copy of John’s on there with the activation key 
exceptional no issues. Also be aware that you will have to licensure your copy 
of windows. I’m so long as windows exists on that machine even virtually you 
shouldn’t have any problems. I hope that this long winded response to your 
message just helpful to you and anyone else who wants some sales meeting to do 
this.

maurice Mines  
Maurice mines.
Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.
Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
Direct phone number,  661-459-6328. 

 

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Merv and Interested Others,
> I plan to purchase a new laptop reasonably soon, but I have time to do my 
> research. I currently have a Surface Pro, a Windows machine. An Apple rep 
> told me that the ||M1 chip does not allow for running of Windows on the 
> latest |Macs. Is this accurate? I had used a Mac laptop many years ago and am 
> considering the 13 inch laptop with the M1 chip. I'd like to know how fast 
> your system is. If I listen to Appple, it sounds like a revolutionary jump in 
> performance and productivity. If the Touch Barr is a headache, can it be 
> disabled? I'm certain I will have other questions, but this is good for 
> starters. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:23 AM
> To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the 
> touch bar
> 
> I have the m1 13 inch MacBook Pro 2020 with the Touch Bar. I have only one 
> issue which Apple Support is not able to resolve. The Sen button is not 
> functional in Mail. Other than that I use the Touch Bar extensively with no 
> problems. I understand the keyboard is small and I have long skinny fingers 
> which may make a difference for me.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
>> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
>> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
>> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging 

RE: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

[Les Kriegler]

Thank you for your response and comments. |I think I would get a setup with the 
specs you have. ||I have used Windows for over 30 years, so |I cannot imagine 
dropping it totally. When |I used a |Mac, |I was not happy with reading PDF 
files. At the time, |Mail was extremely slow on my unit. |I would use Bootcamp 
so as to not reduce resources. |My plan is to go to an Apple store and get my 
hands on a unit and check it out.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:16 PM
To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch 
bar

My MacBook Pro is very fast. I can’t recall the specs off the top off the top 
of my head but I am very impressed with the M1 speed and I would not hesitate 
to buy it again if I had a do over.
I have a 16 GB, 1 TB model and I also have a Lenovo with the same windows 10 
setup. My Mac is so much faster I am sometimes shocked at the difference.
Even if I had the desire to run a Virtual Machine on my Mac I would not. I 
specifically bought this machine to get away from third party screen readers 
and learn Voiceover.
Merv



> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Merv and Interested Others,
> I plan to purchase a new laptop reasonably soon, but I have time to do my 
> research. I currently have a Surface Pro, a Windows machine. An Apple rep 
> told me that the ||M1 chip does not allow for running of Windows on the 
> latest |Macs. Is this accurate? I had used a Mac laptop many years ago and am 
> considering the 13 inch laptop with the M1 chip. I'd like to know how fast 
> your system is. If I listen to Appple, it sounds like a revolutionary jump in 
> performance and productivity. If the Touch Barr is a headache, can it be 
> disabled? I'm certain I will have other questions, but this is good for 
> starters. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:23 AM
> To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the 
> touch bar
> 
> I have the m1 13 inch MacBook Pro 2020 with the Touch Bar. I have only one 
> issue which Apple Support is not able to resolve. The Sen button is not 
> functional in Mail. Other than that I use the Touch Bar extensively with no 
> problems. I understand the keyboard is small and I have long skinny fingers 
> which may make a difference for me.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
>> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
>> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
>> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
>> finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do 
>> this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to 
>> remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory 
>> to move across to another application or such.
>> 
>> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to 
>> make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being 
>> productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being 
>> efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those 
>> kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that 
>> for some reason creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the macbook 
>> pro 16 inch.
>> 
>> I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself 
>> jjust makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times 
>> a day, simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but 
>> totally useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and 
>> respond to what I want it to do.
>> 
>> A complete thumbs down on whoever gave the green light on this most stupid 
>> feature.
>> 
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RE: Voice Over on Apple TV box

[Les Kriegler]

||Hi Brad,

I have a third generation Apple TV and |I| use Siri to turn VO| on and off. |I 
have also used it to launch applications.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 7:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Over on Apple TV box

 

2nd and 3rd Generation Apple TV does not have Siri, so this is not possible.

It has been a long time, but if memory serves correct, I think you can triple 
press the Play button to toggle VoiceOver on/off on 2nd and 3rd Generation 
Apple TVs.


- Brad -

 

On Apr 25, 2021, at 16:07, Chris Moore mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try holding the Siri button on the remote and say “turn voiceOver on”.
Chris




On Apr 23, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Nebojsa Tasic mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com> > wrote:


Hello!
How to turn on Voice Over on Apple TV boxes second and third generation?
TIA

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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

[Yuma Decaux]

I have not used a windows system for the past 11 years. In fact, I have done 
perfectly well without all that windows/jaws/nvaccess combo. Apple's eco system 
gives me the unix/linux/terminal facility I need, the music production and 
hardware connectivity for my sound design and instrument recording, connects 
perfectly with my iphone and other devices for photo air dropping, recording 
video and placing to youtube etc, and my academic work is done with the mac. My 
line of work is software engineering, and all the math stuff works fine now on 
the mac, and the best IDEs for coding are now fully accessible on the mac. I 
have no idea if I will at all ever touch a windows system, and am quite happy 
to remain that way as Apple's accessibility department is right up there, and 
will keep evolving regardless because it's there to stay.

This touch bar though, :)

Yuma 




> On 26 Apr 2021, at 4:15 am, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My MacBook Pro is very fast. I can’t recall the specs off the top off the top 
> of my head but I am very impressed with the M1 speed and I would not hesitate 
> to buy it again if I had a do over.
> I have a 16 GB, 1 TB model and I also have a Lenovo with the same windows 10 
> setup. My Mac is so much faster I am sometimes shocked at the difference.
> Even if I had the desire to run a Virtual Machine on my Mac I would not. I 
> specifically bought this machine to get away from third party screen readers 
> and learn Voiceover.
> Merv
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Merv and Interested Others,
>> I plan to purchase a new laptop reasonably soon, but I have time to do my 
>> research. I currently have a Surface Pro, a Windows machine. An Apple rep 
>> told me that the ||M1 chip does not allow for running of Windows on the 
>> latest |Macs. Is this accurate? I had used a Mac laptop many years ago and 
>> am considering the 13 inch laptop with the M1 chip. I'd like to know how 
>> fast your system is. If I listen to Appple, it sounds like a revolutionary 
>> jump in performance and productivity. If the Touch Barr is a headache, can 
>> it be disabled? I'm certain I will have other questions, but this is good 
>> for starters. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 8:23 AM
>> To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the 
>> touch bar
>> 
>> I have the m1 13 inch MacBook Pro 2020 with the Touch Bar. I have only one 
>> issue which Apple Support is not able to resolve. The Sen button is not 
>> functional in Mail. Other than that I use the Touch Bar extensively with no 
>> problems. I understand the keyboard is small and I have long skinny fingers 
>> which may make a difference for me.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar 
>>> anymore. It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to 
>>> do stuff in an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the 
>>> function keys for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn 
>>> touch bar with a finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some 
>>> point. Each time I do this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is 
>>> enough for me to have to remember either the line of math or code or 
>>> whatever I was keeping in memory to move across to another application or 
>>> such.
>>> 
>>> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to 
>>> make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being 
>>> productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being 
>>> efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those 
>>> kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that 
>>> for some reason creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the 
>>> macbook pro 16 inch.
>>> 
>>> I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself 
>>> jjust makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times 
>>> a day, simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but 
>>> totally useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and 
>>> respond to what I want it to do.
>>> 
>>> A complete thumbs down on whoever gave the green light on this most stupid 
>>> feature.
>>> 
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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

[Yuma Decaux]

Sorry, I'm way past that


> On 26 Apr 2021, at 1:37 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try using CMD + Shift + D, when you need to send mail using the Apple Mail 
> app on your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 07:22, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have the m1 13 inch MacBook Pro 2020 with the Touch Bar. I have only one 
> issue which Apple Support is not able to resolve. The Sen button is not 
> functional in Mail. Other than that I use the Touch Bar extensively with no 
> problems. I understand the keyboard is small and I have long skinny fingers 
> which may make a difference for me.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Yuma Decaux > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
>> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
>> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
>> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
>> finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do 
>> this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to 
>> remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory 
>> to move across to another application or such.
>> 
>> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to 
>> make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being 
>> productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being 
>> efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those 
>> kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that 
>> for some reason creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the macbook 
>> pro 16 inch.
>> 
>> I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself 
>> jjust makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times 
>> a day, simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but 
>> totally useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and 
>> respond to what I want it to do.
>> 
>> A complete thumbs down on whoever gave the green light on this most stupid 
>> feature.
>> 
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Re: mac os big sur + mbp 16 2020: feel totally ripped off by the touch bar

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi,

thanks for your suggestions, however I don't find taking away a whole row of 
function keys something that I can accept. These are called function keys for a 
reason, they have a function to which you can map something in order for your 
workflow to be more efficient.

I'm not a casual mac user, such as listening to music, reading mail or doing 
web stuff. I am a full developer, and use the terminal and programming IDEs 
extensively, create my own scripts to automate things and do most of the stuff 
available on commercial apps with my own knowledge of the system, and even 
develop apps that help further that automation.

Giving away a row of function keys that also tend to trigger unwarrantedly, 
such as when I'm typing, is also a design flaw. In fact, if you don't see any 
use in the touch bar, this is a design flaw in itself. I want something that is 
not only slick, and works really well in most circumstances, which is what the 
mac does, but I also want something that allows me to fully utilise what the 
designers have given me as a tool for my everyday. the touch bar doesn't match 
my expectations in this regard, as it's not functional, it lags, often gets in 
my way when I type and other things, because I have long thick fingers, but 
with mechanical function keys this would not occur, and it takes away 
approximately 12 different functions I can map the keys to, such as fast 
switching between apps, or between different sections of an app. One such app 
is eclipse, or xcode, some apps in the terminal, a whole set of things that now 
I have to map to other keyboard shortcuts which is less intuitive, and may 
conflict with other keys. 

Long story short, I purchased the mbp 16 because I thought that the touch bar 
will be snappy and responsive, as I would expect from something as crucial and 
critical as function keys, but this is not the case, hence my rant.

This doesn't mean I hate Apple, it's constructive criticism, and I think the 
guys at apple hardware are in fact ditching the touch bar anyway.

A++

Yuma 


> On 26 Apr 2021, at 1:35 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time adjusting to the TouchBar 
> on your MacBook Pro.
> I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13, and while I don’t find the TouchBar useful, I 
> don’t have a problem with it because I rarely need to use it.
> 
> Perhaps you are not aware that there are other ways to perform common 
> activities, then by interacting with the TouchBar.
> 1.  For example, you can switch between running applications by using CMD + 
> Tab.
> 2.  VoiceOver users can access the AppSwitcher using Fn + VO, and pressing 
> the NumberRow 1 key once to hear the current application, and twice to open 
> the AppSwitcher.
> 3.  Using Fn + VO + NumberRow 2, will identify the current application 
> window, and pressing the NumberRow 2 key a second time, will open the Window 
> Chooser.
> 4.  Using FN + Tab, will perform the Escape function.
> 5.  System volume can be adjusted using VO and the NumberRow Minus key to 
> lower the volume, and the Equals key to increase the volume.
> 
> Some of the activities mentioned above can also be accomplished using the 
> TrackPad Commander, though personally, I find keyboard commands simpler to 
> use.
> As mentioned in another post, you could also choose to use a separate USB or 
> Bluetooth keyboard, 
> 
> I hope you find these suggestions helpful, and your TouchBar Mac less 
> frustrating for you to use.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 00:43, Yuma Decaux  > wrote:
> 
> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. 
> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in 
> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys 
> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a 
> finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do 
> this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to 
> remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory 
> to move across to another application or such.
> 
> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to make 
> things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being productive. 
> And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being efficient and 
> productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those kind of things. 
> The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that for some reason 
> creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the macbook pro 16 inch.
> 
> I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself jjust 
> makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times a day, 
> simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but totally 
> useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and respond to 
> what I want