Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Brad Snyder
It's not a big deal. It's just a key stroke, same as using the arrow keys. - Brad - On Sep 8, 2023, at 09:10, lenron brown wrote: But that's just it it's extra steps having to use those keys for everything. It's always been one of my gripes with using the mac. I always feel like I have to do

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I have an m1 Mac mini and it was a huge difference but safari has gone worse in the beta so I use firefox. /A > 7 sep. 2023 kl. 19:33 skrev Traci Duncan : > > Ok, this is mostly good feedback. Thanks. I want to stick with Mac, just > because it is far more natural now. > > I do use duck

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
No, Linux is on an x86 machine. I’m leaving the mac to MacOS, and I’m avoiding virtualization (too many opportunities for issues, and not worth the effort). From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anders Holmberg Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 13:51 To: 'E.T.' via

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Karen Lewellen
brad, accessibility is neither about blindness or limiting choices speaking personally. Arrow key function meets several needs, that likely cannot be matched by removing your hands for the option you suggest. For example, does it work via voice? Many times voice driven tools match arrow key

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! The interaction has been my biggest issue since I started with Mac. Now even the music app has that in the Apple Music session. I hate it. /A > 8 sep. 2023 kl. 17:21 skrev Brad Snyder : > > It's not a big deal. > It's just a key stroke, same as using the arrow keys. > > - Brad - > > On

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Dennis Clark
Hello Andrew, Which email program do you use on windows that you have found better than the mail program on the Mac? I have been pretty satisfied with the Mac email program, but I think I am not doing the task you described. I have Thunderbird on my Windows machine and it is at best just okay

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Jason! Do you have linux installed on your Mac? Bless. /A > 8 sep. 2023 kl. 13:27 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > : > > I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the > Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your >

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! The beta has gone a bit better but there’s still issues. But if there’s no one testing there will not bee any good results either. /A > 7 sep. 2023 kl. 18:58 skrev josephlho...@gmail.com: > > I am normally not a Doom and gloom person, but my experience with the beta > has been very poor.

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I normally do not have issues with such things in mail. There are other things in the mail app that has gone strange in the beta. I try my best to give the feedback I can. /A > 8 sep. 2023 kl. 03:06 skrev Jonathan Cohn : > > What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread Brad Snyder
You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward.- Brad -On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I route mouse to voiceover I

Re: Inserting horizontal line

2023-09-08 Thread Thomas Frank
The easiest thing to do is type a series of asterisks, hyphens or similar characters to separate two messages. Thomas Frank vermont...@gmail.com > On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:10 PM, Traci Duncan wrote: > > Hi all, I was just composing an email where I was pasting an example letter. > I thought it

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-08 Thread lenron brown
But that's just it it's extra steps having to use those keys for everything. It's always been one of my gripes with using the mac. I always feel like I have to do combos for most things. On 9/8/23, Brad Snyder wrote: > You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email >