Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Mike Arrigo]

I always do a clean install of a new operating system. While I do copy 
things from a backup after the install such as my itunes library, I 
install all of my applications from scratch and customize all of them 
to my liking in the new operating system. It takes a lot more time to 
do things this way, but it's the most reliable and that's what really counts.

Original message:

Hello Bill,


I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in France for several years 
and in my experience, a clean install is the safer option. Some people 
manage to do an upgrade with no problems, but the majority end up with 
anomalies that drive them to do a clean install in the end. This seems 
particularly true for El Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach 
it, I wouldn’t have bothered installing El Capitán for myself.


As for what constitutes a clean install, there are several variations 
on this theme. What I do is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure 
I have a Time Machine backup. I also clone my existing system using 
CarBon Copy Cloner (other utilities exist for this). I then shut down 
my computer and plug in the USB drive and install from that. I think 
it’s the second screen that offers the Utilities and I use Disk Utility 
to erase my HD. I then continue with the installation and retrieve my 
data from the Time Machine backup when the system asks if I have 
another computer or Time Machine backup.


This has always worked for me, but if problems persist, you can always 
install an absolutely clean system then copy your data to it from Time 
Machine, but you lose all your favourite settings this way.



Cheers,



Anne




On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:57, Bill Gallik  wrote:


I’ve been keeping my mind open to various discussions concerning 
installation of El Capitan and do have a question that may initiate 
additional such discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an 
upgrade or as a “clean install” might prove the better approach!



And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
-
Bill & Leader Dog Holland



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Re: getting the current time

[Vaughn Brown]

Thank you for asking this question. I was told in the past that there
were not commands for this.
Awesome!
Vaughn

On 11/12/15, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it right option t
>
> Danny
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 13 Nov 2015, at 7:15 AM, Eileen Scrivani 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you have Key Board Commanders enabled, then the right Command + T will
>> give you the date and time.
>>
>> From: Marie Lyons
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: getting the current time
>>
>> Is there a command to get the time like there was on windows with jaws?
>>
>> Marie Lyons
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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Vaughn Brown]

These are great questions and concerns. I agree that there should be a
concise indicator that allows blind users know when the install is
complete.
Again, I am holding off on upgrading, for now.
Vaughn

On 11/12/15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> When I do my upgrade, I will make it in to a mac pod cast, some time in
> the next few weeks. Any time I install a new operating system, I
> reformat the hard drive first, I never install as an upgrade, should be
> a long but enjoyable pod cast to do.
> Original message:
>> Hello Devin,
>
>> You ask an excellent question.
>
>> I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post.
>> Therefore, I will attempt to be more specific.  My supposition that
>> using VoiceOver may cause the OS to not complete the installation
>> process only refers to the final, and I do mean the final screen that
>> appears on the display, the one that says something like, "completing
>> installation".
>
>> There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous
>> installation screens.
>
>> The question still remains, then, how can one know when the
>> installation is truly complete.
>
>> At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either
>> left or right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the
>> completion process.  That is to say, do not interact with anything.  If
>> you receive a bonk sound, just leave it alone.  When the installation
>> is truly complete, you will be returned to the screen from which you
>> launched the installation.  In many cases, this will be the App Store.
>
>> Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes
>> pass after you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing
>> installation", then you will have to attempt to get more information
>> via VoiceOver.
>
>> I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more
>> VoiceOver problems than others.  While I have experienced a kind of
>> pattern, which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold
>> that I am correct.  My experience could be nothing more than random
>> chance or simply be the result of some other collateral factor of which
>> I am not aware.
>
>> Mark
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac
>
>> If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is
>> 100% complete?
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>
>>> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear
>>> of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences
>>> updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to
>>> proceed.
>
>>> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite
>>> to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others,
>>> experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic
>>> consequences, from an accessibility perspective.
>
>>> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently
>>> begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
>
>>> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt
>>> the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the
>>> increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
>
>>> Scenario:
>>> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a
>>> fresh install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are
>>> displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used
>>> even though the installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the
>>> screen may display something like Completing Update.  This screen is
>>> not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person
>>> may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet
>>> reached 100%.  As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins
>>> performing VoiceOver actions including switching screen focus, etc.
>>> When this happens, I believe that the extremely final installation
>>> tasks are not properly completed.
>
>>> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
>>> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
>>> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
>>> relative to the entire installation process.
>
>>> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the
>>> screen to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS
>>> before the screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in
>>> the performance of VoiceOver.
>
>>> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and
>>> in no way do I hold that it is a correct one.
>
>>> 

Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Like I said recently, I installed El Capitan myself and with no vision.  I know 
that I am very impatient as I like to know what is happening and I was a bit 
nervous, will it install, am I doing everything as I should and so on.

Well, I just let Voice Over do it’s thing and I believe there are two reboots 
before the installation is complete.  I didn’t do an upgrade but like others, a 
complete format and install and I have no problems with my Mac and definitely 
not may bugs.  I installed on my I Mac three times and once on my Mac Mini and 
both work flawlessly and very stable.  I don’t know if I’m lucky.

Kawal.
> On 12 Nov 2015, at 21:03, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> These are great questions and concerns. I agree that there should be a
> concise indicator that allows blind users know when the install is
> complete.
> Again, I am holding off on upgrading, for now.
> Vaughn
> 
> On 11/12/15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> When I do my upgrade, I will make it in to a mac pod cast, some time in
>> the next few weeks. Any time I install a new operating system, I
>> reformat the hard drive first, I never install as an upgrade, should be
>> a long but enjoyable pod cast to do.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Devin,
>> 
>>> You ask an excellent question.
>> 
>>> I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post.
>>> Therefore, I will attempt to be more specific.  My supposition that
>>> using VoiceOver may cause the OS to not complete the installation
>>> process only refers to the final, and I do mean the final screen that
>>> appears on the display, the one that says something like, "completing
>>> installation".
>> 
>>> There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous
>>> installation screens.
>> 
>>> The question still remains, then, how can one know when the
>>> installation is truly complete.
>> 
>>> At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either
>>> left or right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the
>>> completion process.  That is to say, do not interact with anything.  If
>>> you receive a bonk sound, just leave it alone.  When the installation
>>> is truly complete, you will be returned to the screen from which you
>>> launched the installation.  In many cases, this will be the App Store.
>> 
>>> Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes
>>> pass after you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing
>>> installation", then you will have to attempt to get more information
>>> via VoiceOver.
>> 
>>> I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more
>>> VoiceOver problems than others.  While I have experienced a kind of
>>> pattern, which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold
>>> that I am correct.  My experience could be nothing more than random
>>> chance or simply be the result of some other collateral factor of which
>>> I am not aware.
>> 
>>> Mark
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac
>> 
>>> If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is
>>> 100% complete?
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
 Hello Everyone,
>> 
 You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear
 of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences
 updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to
 proceed.
>> 
 For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite
 to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others,
 experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic
 consequences, from an accessibility perspective.
>> 
 I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently
 begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
>> 
 During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt
 the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the
 increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
>> 
 Scenario:
 A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a
 fresh install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are
 displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used
 even though the installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the
 screen may display something like Completing Update.  This screen is
 not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person
 may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet
 reached 100%.  As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins
 performing 

Re: getting the current time

[Eileen Scrivani]

If you have Key Board Commanders enabled, then the right Command + T will give 
you the date and time.  

From: Marie Lyons 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: getting the current time

Is there a command to get the time like there was on windows with jaws?

Marie Lyons

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Re: Curious About Checkbook/Checkbook Pro

[Gary]

Sarai,
Did you need visual help to configure the application to your check size to 
print your checks?
Gary

On Oct 29, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Hi:
> I use Checkbook Pro. I love it! The software is completely accessible. Splasm 
> customer service is awesome. I’ve beta tested some for thim in regards to 
> Voiceover.
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 3:00 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been looking for an OSX app that is generally similar to the Windows 
>> “Talking Checkbook” and have found “Checkbook” and “Checkbook Pro” so far.  
>> After reading the descriptions for these apps that the “Pro” version is 
>> probably more than I need.  I do have several questions about both or either 
>> versions:
>> 
>> - Is anyone out here a user of either version?
>> - Are these apps effectively developed to work with VoiceOver?
>> - Is customer support genuinely responsive to the requirements of blind 
>> customers?
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * *
>> Bill Gallik
>> wfgal...@icloud.com
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installing old version of a iphone-app

[William Windels]

Hello,
I have updated a app called “nmbs” on my iphone6 with iOS 9.1  and now, this 
app isn’t accessible anymore.
I had no complete backup from my iphone6 with the good version of the app but I 
have a backup from my previous iphone5.
I have restored my iphone5-device so, the older version of the nmbs app should 
be there.
Then, I don’t know exactly if I can bring that older version of this app to my 
current iphone6.
I have a macbook pro with osx El capitan 10.11.1 and the backups of the 2 
phones are on that macbook.

All hints are very welcome to replace the newer version with the older version.

Kind regards,
William Windels

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Re: how to setup facebook to work with Imessage

[Vaughn Brown]

Walter,

I've been experimenting with Facebook apps for the Mac and finding
that they are not accessible. I was hoping to find an app because I
find the FB web site to be tricky to use.
I use Messenger for Facebook on my iPhone when communicate with FB
friends privately. Often times I was use my computer to type while
using my iPhone messenger to read messages.
I hope this helps.
Vaughn

On 11/12/15, Walter Harper  wrote:
> Hello all,
> How would I setup facebook to work with I message?
> Walter
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Re: getting the current time

[Matthew Dierckens]

Quickly turn on keyboard commander press VO Shift K.

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 15:15, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
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Re: getting the current time

[Danny Noonan]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it right option t

Danny

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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Vaughn Brown]

Bill,

I, too have a leader dog. That said, thank you for asking this
question. I am most certainly holding off on upgrading to the new
system for now.

Kindly,
Vaughn

On 11/12/15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> I always do a clean install of a new operating system. While I do copy
> things from a backup after the install such as my itunes library, I
> install all of my applications from scratch and customize all of them
> to my liking in the new operating system. It takes a lot more time to
> do things this way, but it's the most reliable and that's what really
> counts.
> Original message:
>> Hello Bill,
>
>> I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in France for several years
>> and in my experience, a clean install is the safer option. Some people
>> manage to do an upgrade with no problems, but the majority end up with
>> anomalies that drive them to do a clean install in the end. This seems
>> particularly true for El Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach
>> it, I wouldn’t have bothered installing El Capitán for myself.
>
>> As for what constitutes a clean install, there are several variations
>> on this theme. What I do is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure
>> I have a Time Machine backup. I also clone my existing system using
>> CarBon Copy Cloner (other utilities exist for this). I then shut down
>> my computer and plug in the USB drive and install from that. I think
>> it’s the second screen that offers the Utilities and I use Disk Utility
>> to erase my HD. I then continue with the installation and retrieve my
>> data from the Time Machine backup when the system asks if I have
>> another computer or Time Machine backup.
>
>> This has always worked for me, but if problems persist, you can always
>> install an absolutely clean system then copy your data to it from Time
>> Machine, but you lose all your favourite settings this way.
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> Anne
>
>
>>> On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:57, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>
>>> I’ve been keeping my mind open to various discussions concerning
>>> installation of El Capitan and do have a question that may initiate
>>> additional such discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an
>>> upgrade or as a “clean install” might prove the better approach!
>
>>> And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
>>> -
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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Anne Robertson]

In my experience, the problems arise under two different circumstances. 
Installing a new OS on top of a previous one often causes unpredictable 
problems, especially for VoiceOver users. And the other circumstance is where 
people get impatient and do things like closing the lid of a laptop or pressing 
the power button.
However, I have to say that I’ve seen more trouble with El Capitán than with 
any previous OS and I’ve been using VoiceOver since the release of Tiger in 
April 2005.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 12 Nov 2015, at 09:02, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Devin,
> 
> You ask an excellent question.
> 
> I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post.  
> Therefore, I will attempt to be more specific.  My supposition that using 
> VoiceOver may cause the OS to not complete the installation process only 
> refers to the final, and I do mean the final screen that appears on the 
> display, the one that says something like, "completing installation".
> 
> There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous installation 
> screens.
> 
> The question still remains, then, how can one know when the installation is 
> truly complete.  
> 
> At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either left or 
> right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the completion process.  
> That is to say, do not interact with anything.  If you receive a bonk sound, 
> just leave it alone.  When the installation is truly complete, you will be 
> returned to the screen from which you launched the installation.  In many 
> cases, this will be the App Store.  
> 
> Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes pass 
> after you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing installation", then 
> you will have to attempt to get more information via VoiceOver.
> 
> I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more 
> VoiceOver problems than others.  While I have experienced a kind of pattern, 
> which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold that I am 
> correct.  My experience could be nothing more than random chance or simply be 
> the result of some other collateral factor of which I am not aware.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac
> 
> If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% 
> complete?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear 
>> of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences 
>> updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.
>> 
>> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite 
>> to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, 
>> experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic 
>> consequences, from an accessibility perspective.
>> 
>> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently 
>> begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
>> 
>> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt 
>> the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the 
>> increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
>> 
>> Scenario:
>> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a 
>> fresh install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are 
>> displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used 
>> even though the installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the 
>> screen may display something like Completing Update.  This screen is 
>> not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person 
>> may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet 
>> reached 100%.  As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins 
>> performing VoiceOver actions including switching screen focus, etc.  
>> When this happens, I believe that the extremely final installation tasks are 
>> not properly completed.
>> 
>> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the 
>> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can 
>> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time, 
>> relative to the entire installation process.
>> 
>> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the 
>> screen to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS 
>> before the screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in 
>> the performance of VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and 
>> in no way 

Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Indeed; it’s the upgrades and botched / half-finished installs that are the 
real problem, and indeed, they seem to have been particularly dreadful with 
Mavericks and subsequently.  I don’t believe this is especially VoiceOver 
specific, either—just look at the reviews on the Mac App Store.

Cycling VoiceOver during installation has never had any effect on the finished 
installation, for me.  The reboots occur after the target partition is 
initially prepared, and when the system is booting into the finished 
installation.  The second stage always starts with VoiceOver off and there is 
no harm in turning it on at that point to examine the installer progress.  Once 
the install is finished, you will of course hear the familiar voice prompt 
telling you about VoiceOver—the same prompt that every person using a Mac 
hears.  Simply make sure that you don’t interrupt the process from the moment 
you press the Install button, and you’ll be fine.

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RE: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[M. Taylor]

Hello Devin,

You ask an excellent question.

I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post.  Therefore, 
I will attempt to be more specific.  My supposition that using VoiceOver may 
cause the OS to not complete the installation process only refers to the final, 
and I do mean the final screen that appears on the display, the one that says 
something like, "completing installation".

There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous installation 
screens.

The question still remains, then, how can one know when the installation is 
truly complete.  

At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either left or 
right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the completion process.  That 
is to say, do not interact with anything.  If you receive a bonk sound, just 
leave it alone.  When the installation is truly complete, you will be returned 
to the screen from which you launched the installation.  In many cases, this 
will be the App Store.  

Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes pass after 
you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing installation", then you will 
have to attempt to get more information via VoiceOver.

I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more 
VoiceOver problems than others.  While I have experienced a kind of pattern, 
which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold that I am correct.  
My experience could be nothing more than random chance or simply be the result 
of some other collateral factor of which I am not aware.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% 
complete?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear 
> of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences 
> updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.
> 
> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite 
> to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, 
> experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic 
> consequences, from an accessibility perspective.
> 
> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently 
> begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
> 
> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt 
> the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the 
> increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
> 
> Scenario:
> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a 
> fresh install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are 
> displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used 
> even though the installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the 
> screen may display something like Completing Update.  This screen is 
> not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person 
> may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet 
> reached 100%.  As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins 
> performing VoiceOver actions including switching screen focus, etc.  
> When this happens, I believe that the extremely final installation tasks are 
> not properly completed.
> 
> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the 
> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can 
> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time, 
> relative to the entire installation process.
> 
> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the 
> screen to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS 
> before the screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in 
> the performance of VoiceOver.
> 
> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and 
> in no way do I hold that it is a correct one.
> 
> Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when 
> updating your Mac.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Readdle brings its best-selling iOS productivity app PDF Expert to the Mac

[Mary Otten]

I have no idea if this app is accessible on either the Mac or an iOS device. 
But if it is, it would be awesome, seeing as how they let you actually fill in 
forms.
Mary
http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/12/readdle-pdf-expert-mac/


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voiceover issue may not be a voiceover issue anymore.

[Jessica Moss]

Well, I've now figured out that what was going on with my computer may not even 
have been voiceover related to begin with.  My dad and I were trying to type 
something up on the computer when he came to visit, and I had to press and hold 
the escape key to even type, because my arrow keys weren't scrolling properly, 
so I couldn't read the document I was trying to edit.  So I turned voiceover 
off so I could try to scroll that way, and come to find out, they wouldn't even 
scroll, which was unusual.  A friend of mine thinks this me this could possibly 
be a battery issue; have any of you had this issue?

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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[David Chittenden]

Hello,

I would agree with you. I upgraded and left my computer completely alone until 
everything was finished. I am not experiencing the problems that others are 
reporting. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 12 Nov 2015, at 14:00, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear of
> unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences updating
> several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.  
> 
> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite to El
> Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, experience
> countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic consequences, from an
> accessibility perspective.
> 
> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently begun to
> test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
> 
> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt the
> installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the increase in
> the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
> 
> Scenario:
> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a fresh
> install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are displayed
> but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used even though the
> installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the screen may display
> something like Completing Update.  This screen is not comfortably accessible
> and, as a result, the totally blind person may not realize that there is
> still a progress bar that has not yet reached 100%.  As a result of this
> lack of knowledge, the user begins performing VoiceOver actions including
> switching screen focus, etc.  When this happens, I believe that the
> extremely final installation tasks are not properly completed.  
> 
> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
> relative to the entire installation process.  
> 
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> to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS before the
> screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in the performance
> of VoiceOver.
> 
> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and in no
> way do I hold that it is a correct one.
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Re: VMware tips

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I don’t have any problems deleting apps.  What I do have problems is with, how 
to get 3D Touch to work consistently as I don’t know which app has 3 D or what 
does.  So it’s the reverse for me.  Deleting apps no problem but how to use 3D 
touch consistently?  I phone 6 S plus.

Thanks.

Kawal.
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> I understand that, and yes, I’ll try and avoid hitting it, although as I’ve 
> said I seem to be doing so regardless, even with maximum firmness and even 
> though I’ve tested and retested the levels of pressure required.  Of course, 
> back when I didn’t have 3D Touch, all those many long years ago now, 
> double-tap-and-hold really meant that, instead of, I don’t know, 
> double-tap-and-hold-but-not-too-hard-in-case-it-drat! it’s activated again! 
> and presumably I’ll have to reverse that psychology as well.
> 
> I just tried to remove an app again.  Worked first time.  I simply overrode 
> my strong impulse to press at all, instead leaving my finger where it was 
> without lifting after the second in the double-tap.  It worked.  This will 
> take some getting used to …
> 
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Re: Readdle brings its best-selling iOS productivity app PDF Expert to the Mac

[Mary Otten]

Hi Jessica,
Please let us know how it goes.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Oh thanx so much for this, I'll definitely check it out.  Someone sent me a 
> file in a pdf format, that I have to fill out, and I don't have a means of 
> being able to write in it, and she won't get back to me about it which is 
> frustrating.
>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea if this app is accessible on either the Mac or an iOS device. 
>> But if it is, it would be awesome, seeing as how they let you actually fill 
>> in forms.
>> Mary
>> http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/12/readdle-pdf-expert-mac/
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Re: VMware tips

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   Problem I had was I could not see where to get back to installing 
Windows after changing defaults, namely, disk size. So took the defaults 
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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Robin]

Hey Mike,

Which of YourMacs are you going to UpDate via 
PodCastRecording (i.e., MacMini OR MacBook)? Is 
it a MacBook Air OR a MacBook Pro?

At 12:47 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
I always do a clean install of a new operating 
system. While I do copy things from a backup 
after the install such as my itunes library, I 
install all of my applications from scratch and 
customize all of them to my liking in the new 
operating system. It takes a lot more time to do 
things this way, but it's the most reliable and that's what really counts.

Original message:

Hello Bill,


I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in 
France for several years and in my experience, 
a clean install is the safer option. Some 
people manage to do an upgrade with no 
problems, but the majority end up with 
anomalies that drive them to do a clean install 
in the end. This seems particularly true for El 
Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach 
it, I wouldn’t have bothered installing El Capitán for myself.


As for what constitutes a clean install, there 
are several variations on this theme. What I do 
is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure I 
have a Time Machine backup. I also clone my 
existing system using CarBon Copy Cloner (other 
utilities exist for this). I then shut down my 
computer and plug in the USB drive and install 
from that. I think it’s the second screen 
that offers the Utilities and I use Disk 
Utility to erase my HD. I then continue with 
the installation and retrieve my data from the 
Time Machine backup when the system asks if I 
have another computer or Time Machine backup.


This has always worked for me, but if problems 
persist, you can always install an absolutely 
clean system then copy your data to it from 
Time Machine, but you lose all your favourite settings this way.



Cheers,



Anne




On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:57, Bill Gallik  wrote:


I’ve been keeping my mind open to various 
discussions concerning installation of El 
Capitan and do have a question that may 
initiate additional such discussion.  I wonder 
if installing El Capitan as an upgrade or as a 
“clean install† might prove the better approach!



And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Robin]

At 12:47 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
I always do a clean install of a new operating 
system. While I do copy things from a backup 
after the install such as my itunes library, I 
install all of my applications from scratch and 
customize all of them to my liking in the new 
operating system. It takes a lot more time to do 
things this way, but it's the most reliable and that's what really counts.

Original message:

Hello Bill,


I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in 
France for several years and in my experience, 
a clean install is the safer option. Some 
people manage to do an upgrade with no 
problems, but the majority end up with 
anomalies that drive them to do a clean install 
in the end. This seems particularly true for El 
Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach 
it, I wouldn’t have bothered installing El Capitán for myself.


As for what constitutes a clean install, there 
are several variations on this theme. What I do 
is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure I 
have a Time Machine backup. I also clone my 
existing system using CarBon Copy Cloner (other 
utilities exist for this). I then shut down my 
computer and plug in the USB drive and install 
from that. I think it’s the second screen 
that offers the Utilities and I use Disk 
Utility to erase my HD. I then continue with 
the installation and retrieve my data from the 
Time Machine backup when the system asks if I 
have another computer or Time Machine backup.


This has always worked for me, but if problems 
persist, you can always install an absolutely 
clean system then copy your data to it from 
Time Machine, but you lose all your favourite settings this way.



Cheers,



Anne




On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:57, Bill Gallik  wrote:


I’ve been keeping my mind open to various 
discussions concerning installation of El 
Capitan and do have a question that may 
initiate additional such discussion.  I wonder 
if installing El Capitan as an upgrade or as a 
“clean install† might prove the better approach!



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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Les Kriegler]

Well, I am going to the Apple Store tomorrow. I am now thinking that there was 
something wrong with my screen. I didn't realize that it could be an issue, but 
I haven't been able to scroll through the TV Guide app either. It seems to 
start reading certain items and then goes back to the ones that I already had 
read. So I think I may have a problem with my phone. That might be why I can't 
delete apps. When I spoke with an Apple rep this morning at the excess ability 
department, he couldn't figure it out either. So it's off to the Apple Store.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I don’t have any problems deleting apps.  What I do have problems is with, 
> how to get 3D Touch to work consistently as I don’t know which app has 3 D or 
> what does.  So it’s the reverse for me.  Deleting apps no problem but how to 
> use 3D touch consistently?  I phone 6 S plus.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 12 Nov 2015, at 10:28, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand that, and yes, I’ll try and avoid hitting it, although as I’ve 
>> said I seem to be doing so regardless, even with maximum firmness and even 
>> though I’ve tested and retested the levels of pressure required.  Of course, 
>> back when I didn’t have 3D Touch, all those many long years ago now, 
>> double-tap-and-hold really meant that, instead of, I don’t know, 
>> double-tap-and-hold-but-not-too-hard-in-case-it-drat! it’s activated again! 
>> and presumably I’ll have to reverse that psychology as well.
>> 
>> I just tried to remove an app again.  Worked first time.  I simply overrode 
>> my strong impulse to press at all, instead leaving my finger where it was 
>> without lifting after the second in the double-tap.  It worked.  This will 
>> take some getting used to …
>> 
>> Now is also a good time to say that I think Apple missed a terrific, golden 
>> opportunity with 3D Touch for VoiceOver users.  Imagine if you could use 3D 
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El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Bill Gallik]

I’ve been keeping my mind open to various discussions concerning installation 
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I understand that, and yes, I’ll try and avoid hitting it, although as I’ve 
said I seem to be doing so regardless, even with maximum firmness and even 
though I’ve tested and retested the levels of pressure required.  Of course, 
back when I didn’t have 3D Touch, all those many long years ago now, 
double-tap-and-hold really meant that, instead of, I don’t know, 
double-tap-and-hold-but-not-too-hard-in-case-it-drat! it’s activated again! and 
presumably I’ll have to reverse that psychology as well.

I just tried to remove an app again.  Worked first time.  I simply overrode my 
strong impulse to press at all, instead leaving my finger where it was without 
lifting after the second in the double-tap.  It worked.  This will take some 
getting used to …

Now is also a good time to say that I think Apple missed a terrific, golden 
opportunity with 3D Touch for VoiceOver users.  Imagine if you could use 3D 
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iPad pro review.

[Sadam Ahmed]

For those of you interested in the iPad pro. 

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/apple-ipad-pro-review/. 

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Re: how to setup facebook to work with Imessage

[Walter Harper]

There was a time where I could use Facebook in the messages app.  My online 
friends would appear in the list an it was accessible. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
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> Walter,
> 
> I've been experimenting with Facebook apps for the Mac and finding
> that they are not accessible. I was hoping to find an app because I
> find the FB web site to be tricky to use.
> I use Messenger for Facebook on my iPhone when communicate with FB
> friends privately. Often times I was use my computer to type while
> using my iPhone messenger to read messages.
> I hope this helps.
> Vaughn
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>> How would I setup facebook to work with I message?
>> Walter
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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Bill,

I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in France for several years and in 
my experience, a clean install is the safer option. Some people manage to do an 
upgrade with no problems, but the majority end up with anomalies that drive 
them to do a clean install in the end. This seems particularly true for El 
Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach it, I wouldn’t have bothered 
installing El Capitán for myself.

As for what constitutes a clean install, there are several variations on this 
theme. What I do is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure I have a Time 
Machine backup. I also clone my existing system using CarBon Copy Cloner (other 
utilities exist for this). I then shut down my computer and plug in the USB 
drive and install from that. I think it’s the second screen that offers the 
Utilities and I use Disk Utility to erase my HD. I then continue with the 
installation and retrieve my data from the Time Machine backup when the system 
asks if I have another computer or Time Machine backup.

This has always worked for me, but if problems persist, you can always install 
an absolutely clean system then copy your data to it from Time Machine, but you 
lose all your favourite settings this way.

Cheers,

Anne


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> discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an upgrade or as a “clean 
> install” might prove the better approach!
> 
> And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Sadam Ahmed]

At the risk of sounding anticlimactic my advice would be to avoid installing El 
Capitan at this stage. 

Trust me the VoiceOver bugs are just not worth it. 

However if you insist the clean method is recommended. 

Instructions posted below: 

Hello everyone,

I know this has been covered before, but here’s how to do a clean install of El 
Capitán.

Cheers,

Anne


Download El Capitán from the Appstore.
When it opens the installer, quit it.
Make sure you have a spare 8 gb USB drive and give it the name Untitled.
Prepare your USB Flash Drive.

To format the USB drive open Disk Utility. Plug the drive into your Mac.

Select the USB Flash drive from the table in Disk Utility.
Select the “Erase” tab.
Make sure the Format is set to Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
As for the name, leave it as “Untitled”.
Finally click the Erase tab.

Terminal Command

Simply copy and paste this into Terminal and press the Return key:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ 
Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled 
--applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app --nointeraction

Since the above command uses the sudo attribute you will be required to enter 
your password to start the process.

Once the process starts you will see this in Terminal:

Erasing Disk: 0%… 10%… 20%…100%…
Copying installer files to disk…
Copy complete.
Making disk bootable…
Copying boot files…
Copy complete.
Done.

This process can take a while since it’s copying gigabytes of data over. Leave 
it alone and let it do its thing.

Installation.

First of all, make sure you have a Time Machine backup of your system, then 
shut down your computer.
With the installer USB drive plugged in, hold down the Option key and press the 
Power key.
Give it about 30 seconds, then press Right arrow once if you have no recovery 
partition, or twice if you have.
Press Return and wait.
After a few minutes, press Cmd-F5 to start VoiceOver.
The first screen is the Language Chooser, so press Continue.
You should now have a table of Utilities. Select Disk Utility and erase your 
internal hard drive. (Sometimes, VoiceOver gets stuck at this point and you may 
need sighted help to get out of trouble).
Once the HD is erased, select the installer and let it do its thing.
Eventually, you will be asked if you have another computer or a Time Machine 
backup. This is the point at which you connect your Time Machine drive, and 
just follow the instructions.

All your applications and data will be restored, except for any apps that are 
not compatible with El Capitán.

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> On 12 Nov 2015, at 11:57 pm, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> of El Capitan and do have a question that may initiate additional such 
> discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an upgrade or as a “clean 
> install” might prove the better approach!
> 
> And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
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Re: VMware tips

[E.T.]

   Starting the install of Windows. Where is the option to change the 
size which is 60gigs by default in the settings? I am having a bit of 
trouble navigating that area.


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 11/11/2015 3:59 PM, E.T. wrote:

I would like to get some tips on set up when I create the Windows
machine. I will likely use the Windows Easy Install tool. I am not in a
hurry to make mistakes. After installation, I will go into preferences
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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[Mike Arrigo]

I actually have the last model of the white macbook, I might do that one, but 
haven’t decided yet.
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Robin  wrote:
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> Hey Mike,
> 
> Which of YourMacs are you going to UpDate via PodCastRecording (i.e., MacMini 
> OR MacBook)? Is it a MacBook Air OR a MacBook Pro?
> At 12:47 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
>> I always do a clean install of a new operating system. While I do copy 
>> things from a backup after the install such as my itunes library, I install 
>> all of my applications from scratch and customize all of them to my liking 
>> in the new operating system. It takes a lot more time to do things this way, 
>> but it's the most reliable and that's what really counts.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Bill,
>> 
>>> I’ve been teaching Mac with VoiceOver here in France for several years 
>>> and in my experience, a clean install is the safer option. Some people 
>>> manage to do an upgrade with no problems, but the majority end up with 
>>> anomalies that drive them to do a clean install in the end. This seems 
>>> particularly true for El Capitán. Actually, if I didn’t have to teach 
>>> it, I wouldn’t have bothered installing El Capitán for myself.
>> 
>>> As for what constitutes a clean install, there are several variations on 
>>> this theme. What I do is to make a bootable USB drive and make sure I have 
>>> a Time Machine backup. I also clone my existing system using CarBon Copy 
>>> Cloner (other utilities exist for this). I then shut down my computer and 
>>> plug in the USB drive and install from that. I think it’s the second 
>>> screen that offers the Utilities and I use Disk Utility to erase my HD. I 
>>> then continue with the installation and retrieve my data from the Time 
>>> Machine backup when the system asks if I have another computer or Time 
>>> Machine backup.
>> 
>>> This has always worked for me, but if problems persist, you can always 
>>> install an absolutely clean system then copy your data to it from Time 
>>> Machine, but you lose all your favourite settings this way.
>> 
>>> Cheers,
>> 
>>> Anne
>> 
>> 
 On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:57, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
 I’ve been keeping my mind open to various discussions concerning 
 installation of El Capitan and do have a question that may initiate 
 additional such discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an 
 upgrade or as a “clean install† might prove the better approach!
>> 
 And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
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Brailliant firmware Update and OS X

[Piotr Machacz]

Hi all,
HumanWare just released an update for the Brailliant display which seems to 
mostly deal with making windows connectivity suck less. I use my BI 40 almost 
every day at school as my only output device, and the release notes sound like 
there could potentially be issues with connectivity on OS X, or it could work 
just fine. Has anyone already tried updating their display and running it with 
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Re: Brailliant firmware Update and OS X

[Anouk Radix]

Hi,
I installed it yesterday, 2.1 and it works fine on the mac. Havent tested it 
with os x yet but according to humanware support that should work fine as well.
note that i only use my brailliant through usb and dont use its braille 
keyboard.
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 12 Nov 2015, at 16:13, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> HumanWare just released an update for the Brailliant display which seems to 
> mostly deal with making windows connectivity suck less. I use my BI 40 almost 
> every day at school as my only output device, and the release notes sound 
> like there could potentially be issues with connectivity on OS X, or it could 
> work just fine. Has anyone already tried updating their display and running 
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how to setup facebook to work with Imessage

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Hello all,
How would I setup facebook to work with I message?
Walter 

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Changing my iTunes library

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello,
I want to change where my iTunes library is located, but I want to put all the 
things that are in the current library into the new one.
There is a music folder on my desktop and that is where I want my library to be.
How do I get it there and how do I get the contents of the current library 
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Thanks,

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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

When I do my upgrade, I will make it in to a mac pod cast, some time in 
the next few weeks. Any time I install a new operating system, I 
reformat the hard drive first, I never install as an upgrade, should be 
a long but enjoyable pod cast to do.

Original message:

Hello Devin,



You ask an excellent question.


I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post.  
Therefore, I will attempt to be more specific.  My supposition that 
using VoiceOver may cause the OS to not complete the installation 
process only refers to the final, and I do mean the final screen that 
appears on the display, the one that says something like, "completing 
installation".


There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous 
installation screens.


The question still remains, then, how can one know when the 
installation is truly complete.


At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either 
left or right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the 
completion process.  That is to say, do not interact with anything.  If 
you receive a bonk sound, just leave it alone.  When the installation 
is truly complete, you will be returned to the screen from which you 
launched the installation.  In many cases, this will be the App Store.


Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes 
pass after you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing 
installation", then you will have to attempt to get more information 
via VoiceOver.


I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more 
VoiceOver problems than others.  While I have experienced a kind of 
pattern, which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold 
that I am correct.  My experience could be nothing more than random 
chance or simply be the result of some other collateral factor of which 
I am not aware.



Mark



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac


If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 
100% complete?



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:



Hello Everyone,



You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear
of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences
updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.



For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite
to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others,
experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic
consequences, from an accessibility perspective.



I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently
begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:



During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt
the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the
increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.



Scenario:
A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a
fresh install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are
displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used
even though the installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the
screen may display something like Completing Update.  This screen is
not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person
may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet
reached 100%.  As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins
performing VoiceOver actions including switching screen focus, etc.
When this happens, I believe that the extremely final installation 
tasks are not properly completed.



Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
relative to the entire installation process.



During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the
screen to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS
before the screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in
the performance of VoiceOver.



Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and
in no way do I hold that it is a correct one.



Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when
updating your Mac.



Mark





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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Just installed the latesed beta and I just let it do its thing.  As a 
side note, I would like to se a feature whare if something is happening, 
you could have vo tell you with either a sound or with a curser 
announcement.  Just aa thought.


Matthew



On 11/11/2015 11:52 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% 
complete?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear of
unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences updating
several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite to El
Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, experience
countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic consequences, from an
accessibility perspective.

I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently begun to
test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:

During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt the
installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the increase in
the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.

Scenario:
A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a fresh
install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are displayed
but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used even though the
installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the screen may display
something like Completing Update.  This screen is not comfortably accessible
and, as a result, the totally blind person may not realize that there is
still a progress bar that has not yet reached 100%.  As a result of this
lack of knowledge, the user begins performing VoiceOver actions including
switching screen focus, etc.  When this happens, I believe that the
extremely final installation tasks are not properly completed.

Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
relative to the entire installation process.

During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the screen
to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS before the
screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in the performance
of VoiceOver.

Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and in no
way do I hold that it is a correct one.

Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when
updating your Mac.

Mark



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getting the current time

[Marie Lyons]

Is there a command to get the time like there was on windows with jaws?

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Re: El Capitan - Upgrade or Clean Install

[E.T.]

Bill,
   This has actually been discussed heavily in the past weeks.

   My take in it is this. Clean installs is a one time process for each 
new OS release. Its the best way to clean house too.


   I am waiting for .2 or .3 before I bite. El Capitan should be pretty 
well matured by then. El Capitan offers nothing that I cannot live 
without so I am willing to wait another month or two.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 11/12/2015 4:57 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

I’ve been keeping my mind open to various discussions concerning installation 
of El Capitan and do have a question that may initiate additional such 
discussion.  I wonder if installing El Capitan as an upgrade or as a “clean 
install” might prove the better approach!

And then, there’s the question as how to perform a “clean install?"
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Re: installing old version of a iphone-app

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The short answer here is that you will be requiring a copy of the app you want 
to install on your computer.  If it isn’t on your computer, you’re out of luck.

Once you have it, put it into your iTunes library, and sync it across using the 
Apps tab in your device settings.

Recent versions of iOS no longer consider apps as purchases to be transferred 
back to your computer, because of app slicing.  If you want to retain control, 
install apps only using your computer, downloading and updating them from 
iTunes on your computer.  I, for myself, have given up; the iOS App Store is 
just too convenient.  Better if Apple commit to accessibility of the iOS App 
Store, than for us to employ silly workarounds.  The good news here is that you 
have the spending power; don’t purchase that which is not confirmed to be 
accessible.

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Re: Readdle brings its best-selling iOS productivity app PDF Expert to the Mac

[Jessica Moss]

Oh thanx so much for this, I'll definitely check it out.  Someone sent me a 
file in a pdf format, that I have to fill out, and I don't have a means of 
being able to write in it, and she won't get back to me about it which is 
frustrating.
On Nov 12, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> I have no idea if this app is accessible on either the Mac or an iOS device. 
> But if it is, it would be awesome, seeing as how they let you actually fill 
> in forms.
> Mary
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using speedTest.net with Safari

[Phil Halton]

for the life of me I can’t find the “begin speed test button on this popular 
website. Has anyone ever used this connection speed testing service with 
Safari? Can you help?

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