Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Simon Fogarty]

Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under that 
menu?

Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c

Simon Fogarty
Dunedin, NZ

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> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me 
> completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have looked 
> everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the Devices 
> sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My Files). 
> Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, etc., but 
> nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. Any help would be 
> sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a recent update and I am 
> merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes were made that require me 
> to conduct my actions differently in order to do a simple transfer or saving 
> of files? TIA.
> Christine
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Re: AutoFill Update

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It seems to work a little differently on iOS with a keyboard.  When you 
activate a editable field that could be auto-filled, press the down arrow once, 
then touch your finger down near the bottom centre of the iPad screen.  You 
should hear the best guess for that specific auto-fill site.  Either double-tap 
on it or VO-space and it will fill in both the username and password for the 
user that was suggested for that site.  I haven't figured out yet how to jump 
over to that area where the username is suggested, but if someone else knows, 
maybe they'll chime in, or I'll play some more and read a bit more to see if I 
can figure it out.

I'm fairly new at the iPad/external keyboard thing, but getting there.  I've 
been travelling some lately doing some presentations about VO on the iPad, so 
have been trying to become more versed with the keyboard functionality.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:45, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I'm not sure.  Haven't tried it on iOS yet.  I will try it later on my iPad Pro.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:41, Kliphton Miller > wrote:

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[E.T.]

   Take a look at your Finder preferences and see if anything was 
changed there.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/27/2018 4:50 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of months 
since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me completely 
unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have looked everywhere: 
in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the Devices sidebar, (which, 
too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My Files). Everything else seems 
in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any 
connections or devices. Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something 
happen in a recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever 
changes were made that require me to conduct my actions differently in order to 
do a simple transfer or saving of files? TIA.
Christine



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Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of months 
since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me completely 
unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have looked everywhere: 
in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the Devices sidebar, (which, 
too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My Files). Everything else seems 
in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any 
connections or devices. Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something 
happen in a recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever 
changes were made that require me to conduct my actions differently in order to 
do a simple transfer or saving of files? TIA.
Christine

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Re: AutoFill Update

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm not sure.  Haven't tried it on iOS yet.  I will try it later on my iPad Pro.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:41, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
User of IOS, TVOS, MacOS, and watchOS?  That’s all we discuss in only apple 
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

[Kliphton Miller]

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
User of IOS, TVOS, MacOS, and watchOS?  That’s all we discuss in only apple 
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: Problems with Feedback Assistant in beta programme

[Andrew Lamanche]

I’d like to thank Jonathan Cohen for encouraging me to contact my ISP provider. 
 It has turned out that they had not changed my broadband plan to a better 
package which i had switched to 14 months ago, hence charging me for the 
service I’ve not been receiving.  This resulted in 14 months of inferior upload 
& download speeds.  Well, I’m speechless but grateful to Jonathan for 
triggering my action.

Best regards

Andrew
> On May 27, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve joined Mac OS beta testing programme on my mac running High Sierra.  
> Every time I try to send feedback email with attachments to Apple using the 
> Feedback assistant, I get an error message saying that my network connection 
> has been interrupted, and the upload of the email stops.  It usually happens 
> just a few percentage points above 10% and I have to start sending the 
> feedback again.  I’ve done it about 10 times now and it still happens.  I 
> rather would like to succeed to send the feedback.  Any clues why it might be 
> happening or how I could resolve this issue?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[Devin Prater]

If you need to, you can also write in LaTex format with Emacs and Emacspeak 
given great feedback.

> On May 27, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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> So Desmos is accessible? My school sometimes uses it. 
> 
> Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!
> 
>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Our office uses a variety of the DESMOS system for helping with Math 
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> I have not specifically looked at Algebra, but perhaps this page could be of 
>> help:
>> 
>> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have an advanced algebra class coming up in September. I bought 
>>> chatty Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to 
>>> have.  Now I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have to 
>>> use in order to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be easier 
>>> to just use a Perkins brailler.
>>> 
>>> Does the Mac have a good solution for reading and writing math documents?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
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Re: Colaps the expanded folders, and why they are expanded?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi tim:

Yes, i did and all are working.
Thanks so much for this 


> On May 27, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> To collapse an expanded folder in Finder when in List mode, do one of the 
> following:
> 
> • cmd-left.
> • left arrow
> • VO-back slash
> 
> You must have interacted with the List in order for the VO-back slash action 
> to work.  The others should work as long as the keyboard has focus on the 
> given folder.
> 
> How did it become expanded in the first place?  You must have opened it with 
> the opposite of one of the above commands such as right arrow, cmd-right or 
> toggled the VO-back slash action.  If you opened a folder while in a Open or 
> Save dialog, this also may leave the folder open when you go to that folder 
> in the Finder at a future time.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 27, 2018, at 08:54, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I’m using teh list view when moving in my mac.
> some times, i found some folders expanded, don’t know why they did so, but i 
> need to colaps them. i use all tricks but with no luck.
> any help please?
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Re: Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[Maria Reyes]

So Desmos is accessible? My school sometimes uses it. 

Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!

> On May 27, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Our office uses a variety of the DESMOS system for helping with Math 
> accessibility.
> 
> I have not specifically looked at Algebra, but perhaps this page could be of 
> help:
> 
> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
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>> Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to have.  Now 
>> I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have to use in 
>> order to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be easier to just 
>> use a Perkins brailler.
>> 
>> Does the Mac have a good solution for reading and writing math documents?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
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Re: Looking Back on 20 Years of Assistive Technology: Where We've Been and How Far and Fast We've Come, AccessWorldR, May 2018

[Katie Zodrow]

Thx for posting this article. Very interesting to read. Yes, we've come a long 
way during the last 20 years!
Katie

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> On May 22, 2018, at 4:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I thought the following article would be a nice piece to post to the list if
> for no other reason but that it definitely helps lend perspective as to
> where we've been, where we are, and where we need to go in terms of
> accessible tech.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Looking Back on 20 Years of Assistive Technology: Where We've Been and How
> Far and Fast We've Come
> By Bill Holton
> AccessWorldR, May 2018
> 
> They say the future is coming at us faster than ever, and this is true even
> for accessibility. I will be 65 years old this July, and (cue grumpy old man
> voice here) back in my day, we didn't have any of these dang computers and
> phones were attached to a wall. I threaded large reel-to-reel tapes to
> listen to my "Recordings for the Blind" textbooks--when they were
> available--and turned in many a blank page because I didn't realize the
> ribbon on my manual typewriter had run out of ink. And we liked it that way
> (exit grumpy old man voice).
> If you are 25 years old or younger, you probably don't even remember a time
> when there wasn't a computer in your home, and when you didn't have at least
> rudimentary access to it. But as I said above, the future is coming faster
> than ever, and one of the best ways to gain perspective is to take a quick
> look back at some of the technologies that are now utterly out of date, and
> just how few years have passed since they were first introduced.
> Five Years Ago
> Let's start just five years ago, in the May 2013 issue of AccessWorld.
> Besides including my second AccessWorld article, it also includes A First
> Look at the Accessibility of the Google Chrome Operating System by J.J.
> Meddaugh. In this article, Meddaugh demonstrated the new ChromeVox screen
> reader using a Google ChromeBox. Yes, a ChromeBox, not a ChromeBook. The
> ChromeBox was basically a Chrome OS desktop computer, very small and
> compact, sort of like a Mac Mini in that you had to provide your own
> keyboard, display, and other USB devices. Meddaugh experienced difficulties
> with the ChromeVox screen reader, especially when it came to status screens
> and typing in Google Docs. Also, ironically, the first screen of the
> ChromeVox tutorial would not speak. Meddaugh concluded his first look this
> way: "While the web browser and parts of Chrome are quite usable now, much
> work still needs to be done. We look forward to the results and possible
> improvements from this beta program and will closely follow its
> development."
> Ten Years Ago
> In this current issue Shelly Brisbin offers us a roundup of the 2018 CSUN
> adaptive technology conference. Ten years ago Deborah Kendrick filed our
> CSUN roundup, reporting: "One of the hottest products of interest to blind
> consumers was the KNFB Mobile, a Nokia N82 mobile phone with the Kurzweil
> reading software on board. HumanWare introduced the Trekker Breeze, a new
> GPS product, and announced a new upgrade for the Victor Reader Stream that
> includes, among other features, compatibility with Serotek's System Access
> Mobile Network."
> Fifteen Years Ago
> In 2003, AccessWorld was just a pup, mostly limited to accessibility news,
> such as: "In February 2003, Bonnie O'Day of Alexandria, VA, filed a formal
> complaint with the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) against Audiovox
> Communications Corporation, a manufacturer of wireless products, and Verizon
> Wireless, a service provider, regarding the lack of accessible features in
> one of their high-end cell phones. This is the first formal complaint to ask
> the FCC to enforce the rights provided under Section 255 of the
> Communications Act (as amended by the Telecommunications Act of 1996), which
> requires telecommunications equipment and services to be accessible to and
> usable by people with disabilities, if readily achievable."
> I wonder how that worked out. Are you reading this article on your iPhone or
> Android tablet?
> 20 Years Ago
> The May 1998 issue of AccessWorld included an in-depth look at mobility
> training. There was not a single mention of GPS, because back then the
> system was US military only. In 1998 Vice President Al Gore announced a plan
> to make the GPS satellites transmit two additional signals to be used for
> civilian (non-military) applications, especially to improve aircraft safety.
> Congress approved the plan (called "GPS III") in 2000.
> The issue also included a report of a survey on the availability of
> accessible alternatives to print materials on college campuses: "Kwan's
> study of 18 public universities in California revealed that the majority of
> universities that were surveyed required 2 to 6 days to provide basic
> instructional materials in braille or electronic text or on audiotape. Five
> of the 

Re: Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Our office uses a variety of the DESMOS system for helping with Math 
accessibility.

I have not specifically looked at Algebra, but perhaps this page could be of 
help:

https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
> On May 27, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have an advanced algebra class coming up in September. I bought chatty 
> Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to have.  Now 
> I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have to use in order 
> to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be easier to just use a 
> Perkins brailler.
> 
> Does the Mac have a good solution for reading and writing math documents?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik
> 
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Re: Problems with Feedback Assistant in beta programme

[Jonathan Cohn]

This is probably a filter issue from your ISP, though it might also be 
something as esoteric as double NAT. 

We used to experience this type of issue regular  in the early days of the 
internet when most  ISP’s used phone trunk type connections, and could get 
confused or lose timing if more than 10 zero’s were sent in a ro Call your ISP 
and tell them you are dropping your connection while attempting to upload a 
crash file. 

They should be able to look at your router / gateway logs and see what errors 
are occurring.


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> Hi,
> 
> I’ve joined Mac OS beta testing programme on my mac running High Sierra.  
> Every time I try to send feedback email with attachments to Apple using the 
> Feedback assistant, I get an error message saying that my network connection 
> has been interrupted, and the upload of the email stops.  It usually happens 
> just a few percentage points above 10% and I have to start sending the 
> feedback again.  I’ve done it about 10 times now and it still happens.  I 
> rather would like to succeed to send the feedback.  Any clues why it might be 
> happening or how I could resolve this issue?
> 
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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

[Steve Matzura]

Turning off caption [panels did the trick. Thanks everyone.

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Problems with Feedback Assistant in beta programme

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I’ve joined Mac OS beta testing programme on my mac running High Sierra.  Every 
time I try to send feedback email with attachments to Apple using the Feedback 
assistant, I get an error message saying that my network connection has been 
interrupted, and the upload of the email stops.  It usually happens just a few 
percentage points above 10% and I have to start sending the feedback again.  
I’ve done it about 10 times now and it still happens.  I rather would like to 
succeed to send the feedback.  Any clues why it might be happening or how I 
could resolve this issue?

Andrew

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Re: Test

[E.T.]

   Check your filters. You may need to change the criteria that Outlook 
looks for.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/27/2018 8:58 AM, danielmcgee...@icloud.com wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Sorry in advance to the list but have been asked to send a video screen 
shot on the issue to outlook support.


Fingers crossed issue can be figured out.

Daniel




On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:02 PM +0100, "Maria Reyes" > wrote:


Another thing I’ve noticed is that when you send an email with the
outlook app your email shows up as the sender name instead of your name.

Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!

On May 26, 2018, at 3:32 PM, danielmcgee...@icloud.com
 wrote:


And as I thought, the issue still persists even though have the
latest update to the outlook app for iOS. :(




On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:27 PM +0100, > wrote:


Hey all, just a test message to see if outlook for iOS is
still sending me messages to my inbox rather than the
macvisionaries list folder I have created for it.

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Re: Test

[danielmcgee134]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. 
Sorry in advance to the list but have been asked to send a video screen shot on 
the issue to outlook support. 
Fingers crossed issue can be figured out. 
Daniel 









On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:02 PM +0100, "Maria Reyes"  wrote:










Another thing I’ve noticed is that when you send an email with the outlook app 
your email shows up as the sender name instead of your name.

Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!
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And as I thought, the issue still persists even though have the 
latest update to the outlook app for iOS. :( 









On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 8:27 PM +0100,  wrote:




















Hey all, just a test message to see if outlook for iOS is still 
sending me messages to my inbox rather than the macvisionaries list folder I 
have created for it.








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Re: Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[E.T.]

   I do not know if the Mac's scientific calculator is robust enough 
for you but after you launch the calculator, you can change its mode 
from the view menu.


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On 5/27/2018 5:26 AM, Erik Burggraaf wrote:
Hi, I have an advanced algebra class coming up in September. I bought 
chatty Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to 
have.  Now I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have 
to use in order to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be 
easier to just use a Perkins brailler.


Does the Mac have a good solution for reading and writing math documents?

Thanks,

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Re: Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Are you wanting to actually do the algebra, or simply write out equations?  If 
the latter, MathType 6.7 works well with Pages as mentioned here:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH23695?viewlocale=en_US=en_US

If the former, I'd need to investigate further as I've never tried this sort of 
thing yet.

Later...

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On May 27, 2018, at 06:26, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:

Hi, I have an advanced algebra class coming up in September. I bought chatty 
Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to have.  Now 
I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have to use in order 
to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be easier to just use a 
Perkins brailler.

Does the Mac have a good solution for reading and writing math documents?

Thanks,

Erik


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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

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Hi,

There are three tabs in the Visuals category.  You need to select the "Panels & 
Menus" tab first to be able to modify the Caption Panel visibility setting.  
Actually, this is the only one you should modify.  I would leave the VoiceOver 
cursor checked.  This allows people who are working with you to actually know 
where your VO focus is which is useful in many situations.

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On May 27, 2018, at 09:18, Steve Matzura  wrote:

The only thing in there is "show VoiceOver cursor," and if that's what a 
VoiceOver cursor is, that's just weird. I'll try it and let you know if it 
works.


On 5/26/2018 6:57 PM, E.T. wrote:
>Look in the Visuals pane of VO Utility.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/26/2018 3:47 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Is it possible, and if so, how, to turn off/eliminate the on-screen box 
>> containing what VoiceOver says so that a non-VoiceOver user can access what 
>> the box covers up? I'm having a problem a sighted person is helping me deal 
>> with, but the thing they must click on is hidden behind this box, and 
>> frankly, the whole thing of VoiceOver transcribing what it's saying is not 
>> necessary, so I want to turn it off, but after looking through all the 
>> settings in the VO Utility, I can find nothing obvious to choose to do this.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
> 

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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

[E.T.]

   Alex zeroed in on this one, for the caption and braille panels are 
on by default.


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On 5/27/2018 8:18 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
The only thing in there is "show VoiceOver cursor," and if that's what a 
VoiceOver cursor is, that's just weird. I'll try it and let you know if 
it works.



On 5/26/2018 6:57 PM, E.T. wrote:

   Look in the Visuals pane of VO Utility.

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On 5/26/2018 3:47 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Is it possible, and if so, how, to turn off/eliminate the on-screen 
box containing what VoiceOver says so that a non-VoiceOver user can 
access what the box covers up? I'm having a problem a sighted person 
is helping me deal with, but the thing they must click on is hidden 
behind this box, and frankly, the whole thing of VoiceOver 
transcribing what it's saying is not necessary, so I want to turn it 
off, but after looking through all the settings in the VO Utility, I 
can find nothing obvious to choose to do this.



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Re: Colaps the expanded folders, and why they are expanded?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

To collapse an expanded folder in Finder when in List mode, do one of the 
following:

• cmd-left.
• left arrow
• VO-back slash

You must have interacted with the List in order for the VO-back slash action to 
work.  The others should work as long as the keyboard has focus on the given 
folder.

How did it become expanded in the first place?  You must have opened it with 
the opposite of one of the above commands such as right arrow, cmd-right or 
toggled the VO-back slash action.  If you opened a folder while in a Open or 
Save dialog, this also may leave the folder open when you go to that folder in 
the Finder at a future time.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 08:54, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

I’m using teh list view when moving in my mac.
some times, i found some folders expanded, don’t know why they did so, but i 
need to colaps them. i use all tricks but with no luck.
any help please?

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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

[Steve Matzura]

The only thing in there is "show VoiceOver cursor," and if that's what a 
VoiceOver cursor is, that's just weird. I'll try it and let you know if 
it works.



On 5/26/2018 6:57 PM, E.T. wrote:

   Look in the Visuals pane of VO Utility.

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On 5/26/2018 3:47 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Is it possible, and if so, how, to turn off/eliminate the on-screen 
box containing what VoiceOver says so that a non-VoiceOver user can 
access what the box covers up? I'm having a problem a sighted person 
is helping me deal with, but the thing they must click on is hidden 
behind this box, and frankly, the whole thing of VoiceOver 
transcribing what it's saying is not necessary, so I want to turn it 
off, but after looking through all the settings in the VO Utility, I 
can find nothing obvious to choose to do this.



Thanks in advance.





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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

[Steve Matzura]

OK, I was wondering what a caption panel was,or is. I'll turn them both 
off, as neither is needed or wanted, and report.



On 5/26/2018 7:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Exactly what ET said. Go to the Visuals category in the table, then 
find the tabs. You probably want to disable the Caption Panel in the 
Panels tab, but may have to turn off the VoiceOver cursor from the 
Cursor tab as well.


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  Look in the Visuals pane of VO Utility.

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On 5/26/2018 3:47 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Is it possible, and if so, how, to turn off/eliminate the on-screen 
box containing what VoiceOver says so that a non-VoiceOver user can 
access what the box covers up? I'm having a problem a sighted person 
is helping me deal with, but the thing they must click on is hidden 
behind this box, and frankly, the whole thing of VoiceOver 
transcribing what it's saying is not necessary, so I want to turn it 
off, but after looking through all the settings in the VO Utility, I 
can find nothing obvious to choose to do this.

Thanks in advance.


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Colaps the expanded folders, and why they are expanded?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I’m using teh list view when moving in my mac.
some times, i found some folders expanded, don’t know why they did so, but i 
need to colaps them. i use all tricks but with no luck.
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Is there an easy way to do math on the Mac?

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi, I have an advanced algebra class coming up in September. I bought 
chatty Infinity for Windows, because that's what the college wants me to 
have.  Now I'm finding that the number of steps and programs I will have to 
use in order to make that sit up work is so convoluted, it might be easier 
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Thanks,

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Twitterrific crashes on launch

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

On my macbook pro running Sierra, every time I launch Twitterrific, it crashes 
with the familiar problem report message which you have to ok or try to reopen 
the app which crashes again.  It has started happening fairly recently.  Ten 
days ago it was still ok.  any similar experiences anyone?  On High Sierra it 
works fine.

Thanks a lot.

Andrew

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