RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

Cmd r works but give it some time to load what it needs.

But why are you trying to boot from an external drive?

You could try using start up disk under system preferences,
Or if you have sighted assistance you could try
Holding down the option key at start up and then selecting the bootable option 
from your list shown on screen.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 11:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hi all,

While we are on the subject, I have a mac mini from 2018 and I need to get into 
the recovery partition to enable booting from external drives, but I am finding 
that using cmd+R is not working for some reason.  Anyone else having  issues 
with this?  I do not have a motor connected nore do I have one to connect if 
that matter.  If I do the cmd+R at boot, it just goes strate to the standered 
hd mac os partition.  Any ideas on this one.  I am using mac os 10.15.1.  
Thanks.

Matthew



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Interesting,

I’m using cmd r not cmd option r so it’s getting Yosemite from some where.

Either way it’s bloody slow downloading and I’ll run with it now and see what 
happens.

Cheers.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 9:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hi,

If it is trying to install Yosemite, then it is most likely using an Internet 
Recovery option instead of the local recovery partition.  I did state the 
commands incorrectly in my last post, it should be cmd-option-r for Internet 
recovery.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 13:12, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Well it turns out I’ve solved the problem and well it’s simply a timing issue.

 I used the cmd r option again and just gave it more time.

Then got voiceover up and running.

Note this is a 2015 13inch mac book pro with custom specs


I had Mojave running on it before I wiped it last week,

However when doing cmd r it turns out it’s trying to now install Yosemite hence 
the speed of the installation over internet seems to be a bit slower than 
average

Thanks for the ideas though,
They are appreciated.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne




On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Great to know it’s happening to others,

But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,

But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up

Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne





On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 

Re: An alternative to Item chooser on safari?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Have you tried using Voiceover find commands? You can open the Find 
Commands menu with VO-Shift-F to see a list of all find commands.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 11/25/2019 1:53 PM, Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر wrote:

Hi all:

After a long time using Chrome on windows, and when i get back to safari on 
mac, i start hating Safari because of the item chooser.
on windows, just use the NVDA+contrl+F and it opens in a nothing, i start 
typing what i need and it can find it in no time, even if the site is so big. 
but here on safari, even the site is so small i hit VO+I i had to wait more 
than 5 or 6 seconds for the Item chooser to work, is there any alternative for 
that? or can i do something to make the item chooser behave faster?
thanks in advance



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Re: Siri weirdness on HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

It is weird, and I've never encountered it either.  I've seen Apple music 
replace individual tracks in my library with alternative versions, but only 
when I tell it to just shuffle and play my music. I don't mind that so much, 
and some times it's even kind of fun.  But if I tell Siri to play an album that 
is in my library, she ought to play that album, and not presume to decide that 
I really wanted something else.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Wow! I’ve never seen that. I know that when a song is playing, you can tell 
> Siri you don’t like it. And she says “got it“. But then I don’t know what 
> would happen if you requested that very same song, even though it’s a 
> different version. Really strange.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 1:48 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since about last Friday, I am finding that when I ask Siri to play a certain 
>> album from my library, she instead plays a live version of the album from 
>> Apple Music.  So, I specify, "Play album X from my library." She does that, 
>> but every track is repeated twice.  I have checked in my library, and the 
>> tracks are not duplicated there. Does anyone know if there's a way to fix 
>> this?  First, is there any way to stop the duplicate track playing, and 
>> second, is there any way to tell Siri "Don't ever play this album--the one 
>> on Apple Music-- again?"  This is so annoying that I'm about to chuck Apple 
>> music!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

While we are on the subject, I have a mac mini from 2018 and I need to get into 
the recovery partition to enable booting from external drives, but I am finding 
that using cmd+R is not working for some reason.  Anyone else having  issues 
with this?  I do not have a motor connected nore do I have one to connect if 
that matter.  If I do the cmd+R at boot, it just goes strate to the standered 
hd mac os partition.  Any ideas on this one.  I am using mac os 10.15.1.  
Thanks.

Matthew



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Interesting,

I’m using cmd r not cmd option r so it’s getting Yosemite from some where.

Either way it’s bloody slow downloading and I’ll run with it now and see what 
happens.

Cheers.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 9:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hi,

If it is trying to install Yosemite, then it is most likely using an Internet 
Recovery option instead of the local recovery partition.  I did state the 
commands incorrectly in my last post, it should be cmd-option-r for Internet 
recovery.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 13:12, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Well it turns out I’ve solved the problem and well it’s simply a timing issue.

 I used the cmd r option again and just gave it more time.

Then got voiceover up and running.

Note this is a 2015 13inch mac book pro with custom specs


I had Mojave running on it before I wiped it last week,

However when doing cmd r it turns out it’s trying to now install Yosemite hence 
the speed of the installation over internet seems to be a bit slower than 
average

Thanks for the ideas though,
They are appreciated.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne





On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Great to know it’s happening to others,

But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,

But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up

Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne






On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?

Cheers.

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Re: Siri weirdness on HomePod

[Mary Otten]

Wow! I’ve never seen that. I know that when a song is playing, you can tell 
Siri you don’t like it. And she says “got it“. But then I don’t know what would 
happen if you requested that very same song, even though it’s a different 
version. Really strange.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 1:48 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Since about last Friday, I am finding that when I ask Siri to play a certain 
> album from my library, she instead plays a live version of the album from 
> Apple Music.  So, I specify, "Play album X from my library." She does that, 
> but every track is repeated twice.  I have checked in my library, and the 
> tracks are not duplicated there. Does anyone know if there's a way to fix 
> this?  First, is there any way to stop the duplicate track playing, and 
> second, is there any way to tell Siri "Don't ever play this album--the one on 
> Apple Music-- again?"  This is so annoying that I'm about to chuck Apple 
> music!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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An alternative to Item chooser on safari?

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi all:

After a long time using Chrome on windows, and when i get back to safari on 
mac, i start hating Safari because of the item chooser.
on windows, just use the NVDA+contrl+F and it opens in a nothing, i start 
typing what i need and it can find it in no time, even if the site is so big. 
but here on safari, even the site is so small i hit VO+I i had to wait more 
than 5 or 6 seconds for the Item chooser to work, is there any alternative for 
that? or can i do something to make the item chooser behave faster?
thanks in advance 

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Siri weirdness on HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Since about last Friday, I am finding that when I ask Siri to play a certain 
album from my library, she instead plays a live version of the album from Apple 
Music.  So, I specify, "Play album X from my library." She does that, but every 
track is repeated twice.  I have checked in my library, and the tracks are not 
duplicated there. Does anyone know if there's a way to fix this?  First, is 
there any way to stop the duplicate track playing, and second, is there any way 
to tell Siri "Don't ever play this album--the one on Apple Music-- again?"  
This is so annoying that I'm about to chuck Apple music!
Cheers,
Donna

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RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Simon A Fogarty]

Interesting,

I’m using cmd r not cmd option r so it’s getting Yosemite from some where.

Either way it’s bloody slow downloading and I’ll run with it now and see what 
happens.

Cheers.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 9:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hi,

If it is trying to install Yosemite, then it is most likely using an Internet 
Recovery option instead of the local recovery partition.  I did state the 
commands incorrectly in my last post, it should be cmd-option-r for Internet 
recovery.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 13:12, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Well it turns out I’ve solved the problem and well it’s simply a timing issue.

 I used the cmd r option again and just gave it more time.

Then got voiceover up and running.

Note this is a 2015 13inch mac book pro with custom specs


I had Mojave running on it before I wiped it last week,

However when doing cmd r it turns out it’s trying to now install Yosemite hence 
the speed of the installation over internet seems to be a bit slower than 
average

Thanks for the ideas though,
They are appreciated.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne






On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Great to know it’s happening to others,

But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,

But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up

Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne







On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?

Cheers.

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RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks yes I looked at that

However you need to have Catalina installed to be able to run those commands to 
download the earlier versions. And you can only download 10.14 and 10.13 from 
the Catalina terminal.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 6:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

I sent out a portion of a Tidbits.com article last week. discussing how to 
download new  installers  for several versions of MACOS   using termenal. 
Perhaps this will be useful for you.
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 25, 2019, at 12:59 AM, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne





On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?

Cheers.

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RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Actually I can’t remember but I’m pretty sure I did the wipe from cmd r then 
eraised the primary volume.

I managed with time to get it up and working lastnight

Rather than Mojave though it’s installing Yosemite

So I’m going to follow through on this install and then see what happens./
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 3:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Simon,

How did you do the erase?  If you did it from the Recovery Partition, then the 
existing recovery system should be present, whereas if you did it from an 
external thing such as an installer drive or target mode, then you have totally 
wiped everything and cmd-r will not work.  You would need to use cmd-shift-r to 
access the Internet Recovery system.  The problem with the Internet Recovery 
system is that you need to be connected to WiFi, which I've found to be a 
problem for us VO folks at this point.  If you can get sighted assistance to 
connect to WiFi, then you can use Internet Recovery easily after that.  I'm 
thinking that the full erase disconnected you from WiFi and that is why you're 
not progressing to the Language Chooser or MacOS Utilities.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 06:43, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne





On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Great to know it’s happening to others,

But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,

But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up

Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne






On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?

Cheers.

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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If it is trying to install Yosemite, then it is most likely using an Internet 
Recovery option instead of the local recovery partition.  I did state the 
commands incorrectly in my last post, it should be cmd-option-r for Internet 
recovery.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 13:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Ann,
 
Well it turns out I’ve solved the problem and well it’s simply a timing issue.
 
 I used the cmd r option again and just gave it more time.
 
Then got voiceover up and running.
 
Note this is a 2015 13inch mac book pro with custom specs
 
 
I had Mojave running on it before I wiped it last week,
 
However when doing cmd r it turns out it’s trying to now install Yosemite hence 
the speed of the installation over internet seems to be a bit slower than 
average  
 
Thanks for the ideas though,
They are appreciated.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave
 
Hello Simon,
 
If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,
 
Anne
 
 
 


On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Ann,
 
Great to know it’s happening to others,
 
But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,
 
But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up
 
Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave
 
Hello Simon,
 
My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,
 
Anne
 
 
 



On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Morning world,
 
I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
 
  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
 
I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.
 
I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.
 
I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.
 
Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?
 
Cheers.
 
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RE: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Ann,

Well it turns out I’ve solved the problem and well it’s simply a timing issue.

 I used the cmd r option again and just gave it more time.

Then got voiceover up and running.

Note this is a 2015 13inch mac book pro with custom specs


I had Mojave running on it before I wiped it last week,

However when doing cmd r it turns out it’s trying to now install Yosemite hence 
the speed of the installation over internet seems to be a bit slower than 
average

Thanks for the ideas though,
They are appreciated.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne





On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Ann,

Great to know it’s happening to others,

But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long time 
to start up or something more is happening,

But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up

Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne






On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Morning world,

I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have
Which  had Mojave installed on to it,

  I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
from the net
I’m getting all counts of nothingness,

I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still get 
nothing.

I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when I 
try to run them.

I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.

Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get this 
thing setup?

Cheers.

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How do I stop the announcement 1 row added?

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I need help remembering How do I stop the announcement 1 row added when reading 
mail.
Its interrupting my reading.
I’m using Yosemite.
Thanks in advance,
Rob

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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I sent out a portion of a Tidbits.com article last week. discussing how to 
download new  installers  for several versions of MACOS   using termenal. 
Perhaps this will be useful for you.  

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 12:59 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
> before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for 
> the network password, you should be good to go.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Morning world,
>>  
>> I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
>> Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
>>  
>>   I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to 
>> install from the net
>> I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
>>  
>> I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still 
>> get nothing.
>>  
>> I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
>> the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message 
>> when I try to run them.
>>  
>> I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
>> and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before 
>> updating.
>>  
>> Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get 
>> this thing setup?
>>  
>> Cheers.
>> 
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Re: Apple watch series three Vs. five

[Sarah Massengale]

Thanks so much.  these are a lot of good thoughts to consider.  Could you give 
me a rough estimate of how long the series 3 battery lasts.


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 11:21 AM, maurice.mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I have had a series 3 and I currently have a series 5. The differences 
> are days if you have a lot of outs I wouldn’t recommend the series 3 because 
> it only shows not quite 12 give space. Also if you’re like me I am blind is 
> well as I have a significant hearing loss. The speaker on the five is much 
> better. The reason why I upgraded from series 3 to series 5 is that when my 
> Series III began to falter after the store and I got the device straightened 
> out and functioning properly we suddenly noticed that the battery has some 
> serious functionality issues in other words the battery drain was significant 
> enough that I thought that it would be better to just upgrade.
> 
> Let’s talk about that battery for a moment. For once the advertising hype is 
> actually correct the series 5 Billy does have a 17 hour battery. So for me 
> it’s a winner. In fact it is such a winter that most of the time if I’m doing 
> something that I know that the phone would be a hindrance I just make certain 
> I have my watch on. For the sake of clarity I have the cellular model. 
> Because I do sometimes actually get voice calls but most of the time I use my 
> series 5 for texting. And when doing a test I held the watch close to my 
> hearing aid in an extremely noisy environment. And was still able to hear the 
> watch. Just my thoughts on this one. And also for the record I am totally 
> blind. I hope I comments here are helpful.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines
> 
> On 25 Nov 2019, at 6:25, Sarah Massengale wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m looking 
>> at buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a little 
>> intimidated about deciding between the three and five.  I’m totally blind, 
>> so obviously none of the five’s snappy display related things matter a bit 
>> to me.  That said, are there any other accessibility differences I should 
>> know about in the 3 Vs. 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sarah
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Re: Apple watch series three Vs. five

[maurice.mines]

 Hello, I have had a series 3 and I currently have a series 5. The 
differences are days if you have a lot of outs I wouldn’t recommend 
the series 3 because it only shows not quite 12 give space. Also if 
you’re like me I am blind is well as I have a significant hearing 
loss. The speaker on the five is much better. The reason why I upgraded 
from series 3 to series 5 is that when my Series III began to falter 
after the store and I got the device straightened out and functioning 
properly we suddenly noticed that the battery has some serious 
functionality issues in other words the battery drain was significant 
enough that I thought that it would be better to just upgrade.


Let’s talk about that battery for a moment. For once the advertising 
hype is actually correct the series 5 Billy does have a 17 hour battery. 
So for me it’s a winner. In fact it is such a winter that most of the 
time if I’m doing something that I know that the phone would be a 
hindrance I just make certain I have my watch on. For the sake of 
clarity I have the cellular model. Because I do sometimes actually get 
voice calls but most of the time I use my series 5 for texting. And when 
doing a test I held the watch close to my hearing aid in an extremely 
noisy environment. And was still able to hear the watch. Just my 
thoughts on this one. And also for the record I am totally blind. I hope 
I comments here are helpful.


Sincerely Maurice Mines

On 25 Nov 2019, at 6:25, Sarah Massengale wrote:

Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m 
looking at buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a 
little intimidated about deciding between the three and five.  I’m 
totally blind, so obviously none of the five’s snappy display 
related things matter a bit to me.  That said, are there any other 
accessibility differences I should know about in the 3 Vs. 5?


Thanks,
Sarah

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Re: Apple watch series three Vs. five

[joseph hodge]

I don’t think Apple is selling it anymore you can still find it on Amazon or 
other places but Apple isn’t selling it because the forth gen and fifth gen 
pretty much have the same internals 

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
> 
> So, a question about that, Joseph.  I’m not seeing the four on Apple’s 
> website, and the sales team says it’s no longer available.  Is it still 
> available in stores?  I ask because I do want to buy direct from Apple, as 
> I’ll be using a gift card to do it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:33 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> Truthfully I would by the 4th gen if I were you. You can get it at a 
>> discount and you would gain the ECG function the 3rd gen doesn’t have As far 
>> as accessibility third and forth gen are the same.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Sarah Massengale  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m looking 
>>> at buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a little 
>>> intimidated about deciding between the three and five.  I’m totally blind, 
>>> so obviously none of the five’s snappy display related things matter a bit 
>>> to me.  That said, are there any other accessibility differences I should 
>>> know about in the 3 Vs. 5?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sarah
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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,

How did you do the erase?  If you did it from the Recovery Partition, then the 
existing recovery system should be present, whereas if you did it from an 
external thing such as an installer drive or target mode, then you have totally 
wiped everything and cmd-r will not work.  You would need to use cmd-shift-r to 
access the Internet Recovery system.  The problem with the Internet Recovery 
system is that you need to be connected to WiFi, which I've found to be a 
problem for us VO folks at this point.  If you can get sighted assistance to 
connect to WiFi, then you can use Internet Recovery easily after that.  I'm 
thinking that the full erase disconnected you from WiFi and that is why you're 
not progressing to the Language Chooser or MacOS Utilities.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 25, 2019, at 06:43, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
>  
> Great to know it’s happening to others,
>  
> But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long 
> time to start up or something more is happening,
>  
> But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up
>  
> Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave
>  
> Hello Simon,
>  
> My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
> before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for 
> the network password, you should be good to go.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Morning world,
>  
> I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
> Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
>  
>   I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
> from the net
> I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
>  
> I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still 
> get nothing.
>  
> I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
> the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when 
> I try to run them.
>  
> I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
> and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.
>  
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Re: Apple watch series three Vs. five

[Sarah Massengale]

So, a question about that, Joseph.  I’m not seeing the four on Apple’s website, 
and the sales team says it’s no longer available.  Is it still available in 
stores?  I ask because I do want to buy direct from Apple, as I’ll be using a 
gift card to do it.

Thanks,
Sarah


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:33 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Truthfully I would by the 4th gen if I were you. You can get it at a discount 
> and you would gain the ECG function the 3rd gen doesn’t have As far as 
> accessibility third and forth gen are the same.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m looking 
>> at buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a little 
>> intimidated about deciding between the three and five.  I’m totally blind, 
>> so obviously none of the five’s snappy display related things matter a bit 
>> to me.  That said, are there any other accessibility differences I should 
>> know about in the 3 Vs. 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sarah
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Re: Apple watch series three Vs. five

[joseph hodge]

Truthfully I would by the 4th gen if I were you. You can get it at a discount 
and you would gain the ECG function the 3rd gen doesn’t have As far as 
accessibility third and forth gen are the same.

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
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> Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m looking 
> at buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a little 
> intimidated about deciding between the three and five.  I’m totally blind, so 
> obviously none of the five’s snappy display related things matter a bit to 
> me.  That said, are there any other accessibility differences I should know 
> about in the 3 Vs. 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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Apple watch series three Vs. five

[Sarah Massengale]

Hey folks, and happy thanksgiving week to those who celebrate.  I’m looking at 
buying my first Apple watch this year, and I’m feeling a little intimidated 
about deciding between the three and five.  I’m totally blind, so obviously 
none of the five’s snappy display related things matter a bit to me.  That 
said, are there any other accessibility differences I should know about in the 
3 Vs. 5?

Thanks,
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Re: MacBook Pro 16

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Oh, hope you will love it.
I wish i could get one but i don’t have the money right now.
Its pritty expensive in sweden.
/A

> 21 nov. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> just got my new MacBook Pro 16 inch today. The sound is simply great. The new 
> old keyboard is way more comfortable to use than a butterfly keyboard. It’s 
> cool to got a real Escape key and the arrow keys are easier to use as well. 
> And to have more room for my palms right and left of the Trackpad makes it 
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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
>  
> Great to know it’s happening to others,
>  
> But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long 
> time to start up or something more is happening,
>  
> But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up
>  
> Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 6:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave
>  
> Hello Simon,
>  
> My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
> before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for 
> the network password, you should be good to go.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Morning world,
>  
> I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
> Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
>  
>   I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
> from the net
> I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
>  
> I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still 
> get nothing.
>  
> I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
> the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when 
> I try to run them.
>  
> I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
> and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.
>  
> Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get 
> this thing setup?
>  
> Cheers.
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Moving cursor on the bottom of the page

[Dionipher Herrera]

Good morning guys, i would like to ask how to move cursor on the bottom of the 
page or make   a page up or page down since i am using voice over.
Thanks 

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