Re: FaceBook on safari

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi Lorie,

Try this link for facebook basic in your safari browser
https://mbasic.facebook.com/

Hope this helps

Pramit

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:35 AM Lorie McCloud  wrote:

> how do you get to facebook basic on a Mac?
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
>
> > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Michael Marshall 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> > I'm sure many people have suggested this already but you're better going
> to Facebook basic, it's better than the mobile version.
> >
> >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 11:07 pm, Patrick Ford 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi,
> >> On my mac book air, using safari, and using the mobile URL  for face
> book, I cannot get the newsfeed link to function.
> >> I click on it but nothing happens. When I click on other links on this
> site they do work.
> >> Is it just that safari  will not function with face book?
> >> Thanks.
> >> patrick
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Headings in Mac pages or Word

[Muhammad Babar Shahzad]

Hello all,
I am a new user of MacBook pro. I am a student and I have to format the 
assignments using headings.
How can i enable voiceover to read and assign the headings in either word or 
pages? I also have to use numbers or excel so, may i request for any tutorials 
about these programs?
Any recommendation for a free download manager? The last question is about the 
safari report to be busy sometimes and I don’t think it has anything to do with 
the slow internet. The connection seems to  be ok. 
Thanks,
Muhammad.

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Re: Catalina Clean Install

[Jonathan Cohn]

If you do this your computer will be in essentially the same sate as it was 
before you did the clean install. Why are you looking to do a clean install? 
There might be less drastic actions you can take.
Jonathan

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:52 PM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
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> So, will i do a Catalina clean install then use TM to Bring back my Backup?
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Really, the only way to maintain those settings is to bring them back from a 
>> backup, essentially, then not doing a clean install.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 08:20, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi TIm:
>> Yes, i know the document and so on, but , i ment Some apps settings,
>> is there away to keep them while doing a Clean install?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When you say "data", do you mean simply data such as documents and such 
>>> that might be stored on your Desktop or in your Documents folder?  Or, do 
>>> you mean third party applications and such as well?  If the former, then 
>>> those are easy to just put back on from either syncing your Desktop and 
>>> Documents folder to iCloud or by storing them on external media.  If the 
>>> latter, then you may not be able to do a true clean install if you're 
>>> worried about losing settings and such for various installed apps.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 18:53, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> DO not know if my question is right or not, but i need to make a clean 
>>> install  for my mac mini, i have Catalina, but my machine is getting slower 
>>> and slower, sometimes VOiceover did not respond, do not know if it will 
>>> solve some of my problems or not, but i think i will give it a try.
>>> my question now is that, i can not  Remember what data do i need in my Mac 
>>> drive, so, is there a way to take all my data, and make system clean 
>>> install, then put  my data back? do not know if iti it will be a clean 
>>> install or not, but i do not want to remove everything, because this is my 
>>> Studio Machine,  and of course i have somethings that i forgot how to do 
>>> them.
>>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Clean install of Catalina OS X refresher

[Jonathan Cohn]

One thing I discovered recently after my son wiped out his disk drive, is that 
time machine backups of Catalina include a recovery partition with a Catalina 
installer. You might find this very useful.
Jonathan
 
Best wishes,

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Brad, I’m still a little confused about the reformatting process. I 
> see where it says select delete APS up volume from the edit menu, and then 
> I’m supposed to delete the Mac HD data? I’m really not clear on the steps 
> that you take here could you maybe clarify I can find the Mac HD and Mac HD 
> dadoes volumes in the internal drive section but what do I do? Do I highlight 
> Mac HD first and then select the delete a PSF from the edit menu? Please give 
> me a step-by-step if you would thanks
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Phil,
>> 
>> I’ve done a clean install of macOS Catalina several times recently, and had 
>> no issues with VoiceOver during the process.  Since you say Catalina is 
>> already running on your Mac, you should be able to do a straight forward 
>> install from the recovery partition.
>> 
>> Below is a link to an Apple Insider article that details the process and 
>> steps you will need to follow:
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/02/20/how-to-factory-reset-a-macbook-pro-and-when-to-do-it
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> BTW - Apple Insider articles display ads, so I recommend switching to Reader 
>> View for a better experience when reading the article.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 09:12, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m planning to do a clean install of OS X. I am currently running catalina 
>> on a MacBook Air 2013.
>> It’s been a while since I’ve done this, probably well before Sierra 
>> sometime, so I’d like a little refresher. Would someone knowledgable and 
>> experienced with this Tell me if the following bullet points are correct for 
>> doing a clean install?
>> 
>> * I won’t be using a flash drive, but will be doing this from a wired  
>> internet connection in the recovery panel.
>> * save everything in the cloud, either dropbox or iCloud or both.
>> 3 in recovery panel, disk utility, find and erase the os partition, MacHD or 
>> something like that, being careful not to erase the smaller recovery 
>> partition or anything more than the OS partition itself.
>> * what are the settings I need to reformat? Like Mac extended journaling. I 
>> thought there was a new set of parameters to select since apple went to a 
>> new file system?
>> * When the erase and reformat is done, exit disk utility and choose 
>> “reinstall” from the recovery menu.
>> * follow the bouncing ball from here on out throughout the reinstall. 
>> * reinstall apps etc
>> End of checklist
>> I’ve heard that VoiceOver goes silent in certain phases of the process, like 
>> at logon screens etc. Is there a specific point to watch out for? Will 
>> “BeMyEyes” be useful in these silent screen cases?
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: FaceBook on safari

[Patrick Ford]

Hi, the best info I could find is that on the mac there is no basic , but on 
IOS  you can find it  after signing in on safari on the mobile fb site. You can 
go to the account and then the general account area and choose basic instead of 
I think it is called normal or some such word.

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> how do you get to facebook basic on a Mac?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
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>> Hey,
>> I'm sure many people have suggested this already but you're better going to 
>> Facebook basic, it's better than the mobile version.
>> 
>>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 11:07 pm, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> On my mac book air, using safari, and using the mobile URL  for face book, 
>>> I cannot get the newsfeed link to function.
>>> I click on it but nothing happens. When I click on other links on this site 
>>> they do work.
>>> Is it just that safari  will not function with face book?
>>> Thanks.
>>> patrick 
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RE: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Simon A Fogarty]

It can be useful in those situations but also I'm guessing if you want an 
external trackpad so you don't keep hitting the onboard one for a notebook,



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Subject: Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

I'm sure it's useful for desktops (e.g., Mac Mini, iMac, etc.), enabling the 
use of trackpad commander in VoiceOver.

On 4/12/20, 00:48, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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One advantage is if you find the built in trackpad gets in the way, 
an external one would allow you to disable the built in one so touching 
it will not cause issues. Plus you can move it to a convenient location 
like off to the side.

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On 4/11/2020 9:33 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> Okay, I’m going to ask a silly question. I’ve never met a magic track 
> pad before , and was wondering at the advantages if any in having one as 
> a VoiceOver user?
> 
> 
>> On 10/04/2020, at 07:08, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
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>>   I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages 
>> over the older model?
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi  Anders,
Good luck, I don’t use a Braille display so not sure if it’ll work. Hopefully 
others out there that use Braille displays might be able to help.  

> On 13/04/2020, at 10:23, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Ok, i will try to use that option to see if it helps.
> There seem to be a lot of scrolling for me.
> I would like to read the books with my braille display.
> /A
> 
>> 13 apr. 2020 kl. 00:15 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > >:
>> 
>> What problems are you having reading the book? One thing I did when I was 
>> having problems with a book was to open the appearance options and I turned 
>> off scrolling view. 
>> 
>>> On 13/04/2020, at 09:19, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus!
>>> Its a bit problematic to read at least on the Mac and also in Ios.
>>> Its a swedish book also so i guess you can’t test it.
>>> /A
>>> 
 12 apr. 2020 kl. 23:14 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>> >:
 
 Hi Anders,
 I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are 
 you having trouble reading it with the books app?
 
> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
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> Hi!
> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and 
> copying the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
> Can someone give me some hints please?
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Re: Clean install of Catalina OS X refresher

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Brad, I’m still a little confused about the reformatting process. I see 
where it says select delete APS up volume from the edit menu, and then I’m 
supposed to delete the Mac HD data? I’m really not clear on the steps that you 
take here could you maybe clarify I can find the Mac HD and Mac HD dadoes 
volumes in the internal drive section but what do I do? Do I highlight Mac HD 
first and then select the delete a PSF from the edit menu? Please give me a 
step-by-step if you would thanks

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Hi Phil,
> 
> I’ve done a clean install of macOS Catalina several times recently, and had 
> no issues with VoiceOver during the process.  Since you say Catalina is 
> already running on your Mac, you should be able to do a straight forward 
> install from the recovery partition.
> 
> Below is a link to an Apple Insider article that details the process and 
> steps you will need to follow:
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/02/20/how-to-factory-reset-a-macbook-pro-and-when-to-do-it
> 
> BTW - Apple Insider articles display ads, so I recommend switching to Reader 
> View for a better experience when reading the article.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 09:12, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> 
> 
> I’m planning to do a clean install of OS X. I am currently running catalina 
> on a MacBook Air 2013.
> It’s been a while since I’ve done this, probably well before Sierra sometime, 
> so I’d like a little refresher. Would someone knowledgable and experienced 
> with this Tell me if the following bullet points are correct for doing a 
> clean install?
> 
> * I won’t be using a flash drive, but will be doing this from a wired  
> internet connection in the recovery panel.
> * save everything in the cloud, either dropbox or iCloud or both.
> 3 in recovery panel, disk utility, find and erase the os partition, MacHD or 
> something like that, being careful not to erase the smaller recovery 
> partition or anything more than the OS partition itself.
> * what are the settings I need to reformat? Like Mac extended journaling. I 
> thought there was a new set of parameters to select since apple went to a new 
> file system?
> * When the erase and reformat is done, exit disk utility and choose 
> “reinstall” from the recovery menu.
> * follow the bouncing ball from here on out throughout the reinstall. 
> * reinstall apps etc
> End of checklist
> I’ve heard that VoiceOver goes silent in certain phases of the process, like 
> at logon screens etc. Is there a specific point to watch out for? Will 
> “BeMyEyes” be useful in these silent screen cases?
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, i will try to use that option to see if it helps.
There seem to be a lot of scrolling for me.
I would like to read the books with my braille display.
/A

> 13 apr. 2020 kl. 00:15 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> What problems are you having reading the book? One thing I did when I was 
> having problems with a book was to open the appearance options and I turned 
> off scrolling view. 
> 
>> On 13/04/2020, at 09:19, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus!
>> Its a bit problematic to read at least on the Mac and also in Ios.
>> Its a swedish book also so i guess you can’t test it.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 12 apr. 2020 kl. 23:14 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anders,
>>> I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are 
>>> you having trouble reading it with the books app?
>>> 
 On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
 VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
 I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
 the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
 Can someone give me some hints please?
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi David,
Now I’m going to blame my age for this as I think my confusion here was that I 
purchased IOS 11 without the eye  and saved it to both voice dream reader and 
the books app on my phone. I know that was a couple of years ago now so that is 
wy I’m blaming my age. 
So I apologise if I gave the impression that it used to be possible. 
Now I better go feed the cat before she jumps on to my keyboard and tells you 
what she thinks.

> On 13/04/2020, at 09:58, David Chittenden  wrote:
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>  Sorry to say that it has never been possible to share a commercial 
> copyrighted book from Apple's book app to any other app or device. It might 
> be possible when one uses certain 3rd party solutions to break the copyright 
> protections, but this would be illegal.
> 
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>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 07:14, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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>> Hi Anders,
>> I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are you 
>> having trouble reading it with the books app?
>> 
>>> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
>>> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
>>> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
>>> the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
>>> Can someone give me some hints please?
>>> /A
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

What problems are you having reading the book? One thing I did when I was 
having problems with a book was to open the appearance options and I turned off 
scrolling view. 

> On 13/04/2020, at 09:19, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus!
> Its a bit problematic to read at least on the Mac and also in Ios.
> Its a swedish book also so i guess you can’t test it.
> /A
> 
>> 12 apr. 2020 kl. 23:14 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > >:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are you 
>> having trouble reading it with the books app?
>> 
>>> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
>>> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
>>> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
>>> the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
>>> Can someone give me some hints please?
>>> /A
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[David Chittenden]

 Sorry to say that it has never been possible to share a commercial copyrighted 
book from Apple's book app to any other app or device. It might be possible 
when one uses certain 3rd party solutions to break the copyright protections, 
but this would be illegal.

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> On 13 Apr 2020, at 07:14, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are you 
> having trouble reading it with the books app?
> 
>> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
>> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
>> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
>> the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
>> Can someone give me some hints please?
>> /A
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RE: FaceBook on safari

[M. Taylor]

Hello All, 

Just a quick note to let you know that I have just banned the Medical Marijuana 
user from the group.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: FaceBook on safari

how do you get to facebook basic on a Mac?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> Hey,
> I'm sure many people have suggested this already but you're better going to 
> Facebook basic, it's better than the mobile version.
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 11:07 pm, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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>>  Hi,
>> On my mac book air, using safari, and using the mobile URL  for face book, I 
>> cannot get the newsfeed link to function.
>> I click on it but nothing happens. When I click on other links on this site 
>> they do work.
>> Is it just that safari  will not function with face book?
>> Thanks.
>> patrick 
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Petrus!
Its a bit problematic to read at least on the Mac and also in Ios.
Its a swedish book also so i guess you can’t test it.
/A

> 12 apr. 2020 kl. 23:14 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
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> Hi Anders,
> I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are you 
> having trouble reading it with the books app?
> 
>> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
>> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
>> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
>> the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
>> Can someone give me some hints please?
>> /A
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Re: Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Anders,
I don’t think this is possible. I’m positive it used to be possible. Are you 
having trouble reading it with the books app?

> On 13/04/2020, at 06:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
> VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
> I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying 
> the book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
> Can someone give me some hints please?
> /A
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Re: Catalina Clean Install

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

So, will i do a Catalina clean install then use TM to Bring back my Backup?

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Really, the only way to maintain those settings is to bring them back from a 
> backup, essentially, then not doing a clean install.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 08:20, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
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> Hi TIm:
> Yes, i know the document and so on, but , i ment Some apps settings,
> is there away to keep them while doing a Clean install?
> 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you say "data", do you mean simply data such as documents and such that 
>> might be stored on your Desktop or in your Documents folder?  Or, do you 
>> mean third party applications and such as well?  If the former, then those 
>> are easy to just put back on from either syncing your Desktop and Documents 
>> folder to iCloud or by storing them on external media.  If the latter, then 
>> you may not be able to do a true clean install if you're worried about 
>> losing settings and such for various installed apps.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 18:53, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
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>> Hi all:
>> DO not know if my question is right or not, but i need to make a clean 
>> install  for my mac mini, i have Catalina, but my machine is getting slower 
>> and slower, sometimes VOiceover did not respond, do not know if it will 
>> solve some of my problems or not, but i think i will give it a try.
>> my question now is that, i can not  Remember what data do i need in my Mac 
>> drive, so, is there a way to take all my data, and make system clean 
>> install, then put  my data back? do not know if iti it will be a clean 
>> install or not, but i do not want to remove everything, because this is my 
>> Studio Machine,  and of course i have somethings that i forgot how to do 
>> them.
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: FaceBook on safari

[Lorie McCloud]

how do you get to facebook basic on a Mac?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> Hey,
> I'm sure many people have suggested this already but you're better going to 
> Facebook basic, it's better than the mobile version.
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 11:07 pm, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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>>  Hi,
>> On my mac book air, using safari, and using the mobile URL  for face book, I 
>> cannot get the newsfeed link to function.
>> I click on it but nothing happens. When I click on other links on this site 
>> they do work.
>> Is it just that safari  will not function with face book?
>> Thanks.
>> patrick 
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Re: Clean install of Catalina OS X refresher

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Phil,

I’ve done a clean install of macOS Catalina several times recently, and had no 
issues with VoiceOver during the process.  Since you say Catalina is already 
running on your Mac, you should be able to do a straight forward install from 
the recovery partition.

Below is a link to an Apple Insider article that details the process and steps 
you will need to follow:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/02/20/how-to-factory-reset-a-macbook-pro-and-when-to-do-it
 


BTW - Apple Insider articles display ads, so I recommend switching to Reader 
View for a better experience when reading the article.

HTH

- Brad -




On Apr 12, 2020, at 09:12, Phil Halton  wrote:



I’m planning to do a clean install of OS X. I am currently running catalina on 
a MacBook Air 2013.
It’s been a while since I’ve done this, probably well before Sierra sometime, 
so I’d like a little refresher. Would someone knowledgable and experienced with 
this Tell me if the following bullet points are correct for doing a clean 
install?

* I won’t be using a flash drive, but will be doing this from a wired  internet 
connection in the recovery panel.
* save everything in the cloud, either dropbox or iCloud or both.
3 in recovery panel, disk utility, find and erase the os partition, MacHD or 
something like that, being careful not to erase the smaller recovery partition 
or anything more than the OS partition itself.
* what are the settings I need to reformat? Like Mac extended journaling. I 
thought there was a new set of parameters to select since apple went to a new 
file system?
* When the erase and reformat is done, exit disk utility and choose “reinstall” 
from the recovery menu.
* follow the bouncing ball from here on out throughout the reinstall. 
* reinstall apps etc
End of checklist
I’ve heard that VoiceOver goes silent in certain phases of the process, like at 
logon screens etc. Is there a specific point to watch out for? Will “BeMyEyes” 
be useful in these silent screen cases?
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Sharing books to VOiceDream.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If i want to  read a book i have bought from the apple book store in 
VoiceDreamReader instead, can i do that?
I tried to do it but couldn’t find any share button in actions and copying the 
book to VoiceDreamReader didn’t help either.
Can someone give me some hints please?
/A

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Re: Not Seeing Airplay Button in Music App

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Hi,

That should not matter as they are still both on the same network.  Not sure 
why your AirPlay button is not showing.  Mine is just to the VO-left of the 
Lyrics button and three VO-rights past the LCD panel.  Make sure that AirPlay 
is enabled on your Apple TV and, this shouldn't matter, but you can go into 
System Preferences on the Mac, to Sharing, select Media Sharing from the table 
and make sure that Home Sharing is enabled on the Mac.

It does work fine for me.  I do have one of my Macs on ethernet with the ATV on 
WiFi, but not the other way around like you.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:25, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

I recently upgraded to Catalina, and I also have an Apple TV. In the new Music 
app, I cannot seem to find the airplay button to play on Apple TV. I see an 
airplay button in the miniplayer, but when I click on it it for some reason 
opens the volume control.

Any idea why this might be? Apple TV definitely works. But in case it matters, 
the Apple TV is directly connected via ethernet, while my Mac is on wifi. Not 
sure if that has anything to do with it.

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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

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Hi,

You can simply double-tap on the Trackpad to perform the default action for the 
given item.  That is, a double-tap will open, or check a checkbox etc.  
Alternatively as long as cursors are following each other, so that the mouse is 
where the VO cursor is, you can double-click on the Trackpad to open any item 
that has focus.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:42, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Foks,

Is there a way on the track pad to press enter?  I have not looked in a 
long time.  I used to use the  track pad more but found it silly to have to 
take my hand off to select a button or action.  
I think the best I could do back then was hold down a keyboard button like 
command then press the track pad.  This is why I ended up just focusing on 
keyboard commands.  

I actually liked the track pad commands but not being able to press the default 
action from the track pad was a deal breaker.

Eric Caron 
Hoping it is now doable.



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> I'm sure it's useful for desktops (e.g., Mac Mini, iMac, etc.), enabling the 
> use of trackpad commander in VoiceOver.
> 
> On 4/12/20, 00:48, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
>   One advantage is if you find the built in trackpad gets in the way, 
>   an external one would allow you to disable the built in one so touching 
>   it will not cause issues. Plus you can move it to a convenient location 
>   like off to the side.
> 
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>   On 4/11/2020 9:33 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Okay, I’m going to ask a silly question. I’ve never met a magic track 
>> pad before , and was wondering at the advantages if any in having one as 
>> a VoiceOver user?
>> 
>> 
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>>> I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages 
>>> over the older model?
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Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

[Eric Caron]

Hi Foks,

Is there a way on the track pad to press enter?  I have not looked in a 
long time.  I used to use the  track pad more but found it silly to have to 
take my hand off to select a button or action.  
I think the best I could do back then was hold down a keyboard button like 
command then press the track pad.  This is why I ended up just focusing on 
keyboard commands.  

I actually liked the track pad commands but not being able to press the default 
action from the track pad was a deal breaker.

Eric Caron 
Hoping it is now doable.



> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:29 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure it's useful for desktops (e.g., Mac Mini, iMac, etc.), enabling the 
> use of trackpad commander in VoiceOver.
> 
> On 4/12/20, 00:48, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
>One advantage is if you find the built in trackpad gets in the way, 
>an external one would allow you to disable the built in one so touching 
>it will not cause issues. Plus you can move it to a convenient location 
>like off to the side.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>Many believe that we have been visited
>in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>On 4/11/2020 9:33 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Okay, I’m going to ask a silly question. I’ve never met a magic track 
>> pad before , and was wondering at the advantages if any in having one as 
>> a VoiceOver user?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/04/2020, at 07:08, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages 
>>> over the older model?
>>> 
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Not Seeing Airplay Button in Music App

[Brandon Olivares]

I recently upgraded to Catalina, and I also have an Apple TV. In the new Music 
app, I cannot seem to find the airplay button to play on Apple TV. I see an 
airplay button in the miniplayer, but when I click on it it for some reason 
opens the volume control.

Any idea why this might be? Apple TV definitely works. But in case it matters, 
the Apple TV is directly connected via ethernet, while my Mac is on wifi. Not 
sure if that has anything to do with it.

Brandon

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Clean install of Catalina OS X refresher

[Phil Halton]

I’m planning to do a clean install of OS X. I am currently running catalina on 
a MacBook Air 2013.
It’s been a while since I’ve done this, probably well before Sierra sometime, 
so I’d like a little refresher. Would someone knowledgable and experienced with 
this Tell me if the following bullet points are correct for doing a clean 
install?

* I won’t be using a flash drive, but will be doing this from a wired  internet 
connection in the recovery panel.
* save everything in the cloud, either dropbox or iCloud or both.
3 in recovery panel, disk utility, find and erase the os partition, MacHD or 
something like that, being careful not to erase the smaller recovery partition 
or anything more than the OS partition itself.
* what are the settings I need to reformat? Like Mac extended journaling. I 
thought there was a new set of parameters to select since apple went to a new 
file system?
* When the erase and reformat is done, exit disk utility and choose “reinstall” 
from the recovery menu.
* follow the bouncing ball from here on out throughout the reinstall. 
* reinstall apps etc
End of checklist
I’ve heard that VoiceOver goes silent in certain phases of the process, like at 
logon screens etc. Is there a specific point to watch out for? Will “BeMyEyes” 
be useful in these silent screen cases?
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Re: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Well, one thing i like about the chromebook is that they are so cheap, if they 
dont work, you toss it , and well buy a new one. If you are into that, of 
course. A laptop for $100 with Screenreader inbuild, yes me likes, me likes 
lots. I use a Acer for all of my medical work, and so far it is taking all i am 
tossing at it. Needless too say i am impressed. There are a couple of things 
that android have that apple do have on their iphone, but they day it changes i 
might not look back, and that is what makes life interesting, we move, we move 
on from something good, too something better.
 

Sent from my iPad

> On 12 Apr 2020, at 14.01, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There is basic braille support in that what chrome speaks is presented on the 
> braille display. Also I found the math support lacking last time I reviewed. 
> I believe that chromevox did use abbreviations for control types but 
> Iremember bing disappointed with either web alerts or item describtions. 
> That being said, I find braille on Macs to frustating also with how locked 
> the braille cursor is with the vo cursor. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:22 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let's find out what happens when the European Accessibility Act starts to 
>> take effect, later this decade. It might speed up the process of improvement.
>> 
>> It will also be interesting to observe what accessibility enhancements Apple 
>> developers make over the next few years. Voice Control was a major advance 
>> introduced last year.
>> 
>> On 4/11/20, 05:51, "Simon A Fogarty" > behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Jason,
>> 
>>   Not to mention it's not a top priority for these companys to make the 
>> accessibility fully functional and there for as much as we complain about 
>> the bugs,
>>   We don't celebrate the great products that we are given to work with.
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
>>   Sent: Saturday, 11 April 2020 3:21 AM
>>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)
>> 
>>   The short answer in my view is that, in general, the people who develop 
>> screen readers, support for accessibility within operating systems, and 
>> support for accessibility in at least some applications are hard-working, 
>> knowledgeable, and strive to get it right. Unfortunately, whether they work 
>> for multinational corporations or for small organizations, they tend to be 
>> under-resourced. Too many software developers writing applications and 
>> application components don't know how to implement accessibility support 
>> well - or don't give it sufficient priority.
>>   The result is that there are too many bugs and rough edges, and this won't 
>> change until there are stronger policies in place requiring higher quality, 
>> as well as more software developers working on accessibility issues 
>> effectively.
>>   I don't think for a moment that this situation is acceptable. I think it's 
>> a policy issue, not a technical one, ultimately.
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>   Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:17 PM
>>   To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>   Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
>> 
>>   Jason,
>>   You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
>>   why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
>>   system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
>>   why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
>>   systems to complete tasks.
>>   It certainly was not always  the case.
>>   I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
>> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
>> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
>> being used.
>>   I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
>>   single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
>>   windows arena.
>>   Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
>> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
>> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
>> failing to understand  this a major concern.
>>   as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
>> have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe 
>>  access is an impossibility in  general.
>>   However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
>> started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  
>> a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory 
>> the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
>>   Kare
>>   Who frankly wonders on 

Re: Bug in new version of Numbers on OS X

[Phil Halton]

I set up a test table in a new instance of numbers to test this out, and I find 
that with the months of the year label across the top row of the table 
voiceover will only recognize out to about August and then it just doesn’t see 
any labels. Also, voiceover is really acting strangely, crashing and restarting 
when I use the command arrow keys for navigation and also getting stuck in the 
cell a1 first entering the table. It’s just acting really weird since I 
upgraded and also incidentally some system updates went in as well. I wonder, 
is there anyway to reset numbers without doing a clean install of the OS? Is 
there a  .pList file somewhere that if deleted would cause numbers to reset?

Sent from my IPhone


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Phil,
> 
> I haven’t much in the way of spreadsheets on my computer so I asked my 
> husband to test the latest Numbers on his, which is a recent MacBook Pro 
> running Catalina. For him, VoiceOver will read column headers for the first 
> 22 columns, and row headers for the first 44 rows. This is true both for 
> navigating using the VO keys, and VO-Shift-t.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:09, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone else using numbers noticed a terrible bug in tables row and 
>> Collin had a reading? In the new version 10 column labels are only read for 
>> about the first seven or eight columns and after that numbers does not see 
>> the column labels anymore. Similarly with row header labels the first Tanner 
>> so Rose the labels are red, but after that numbers does not see the row 
>> headers. I have use the various voiceover commands to read column headers 
>> and row headers and it simply does not see anything there
>> This is happening in all of the tables in my spreadsheet application, 
>> approximately four tables like this are affected. I don’t think it’s my 
>> installation, that is, a problem in the spreadsheet. I think that it is a 
>> problem with the new release of version 10 for numbers. Can anybody else 
>> verify a problem with table row and header label reading after the first 
>> seven or eight columns in the first dozen or so rose? 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

There is basic braille support in that what chrome speaks is presented on the 
braille display. Also I found the math support lacking last time I reviewed. I 
believe that chromevox did use abbreviations for control types but Iremember 
bing disappointed with either web alerts or item describtions. 
That being said, I find braille on Macs to frustating also with how locked the 
braille cursor is with the vo cursor. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:22 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let's find out what happens when the European Accessibility Act starts to 
> take effect, later this decade. It might speed up the process of improvement.
> 
> It will also be interesting to observe what accessibility enhancements Apple 
> developers make over the next few years. Voice Control was a major advance 
> introduced last year.
> 
> On 4/11/20, 05:51, "Simon A Fogarty"  behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
>Jason,
> 
>Not to mention it's not a top priority for these companys to make the 
> accessibility fully functional and there for as much as we complain about the 
> bugs,
>We don't celebrate the great products that we are given to work with.
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
>Sent: Saturday, 11 April 2020 3:21 AM
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)
> 
>The short answer in my view is that, in general, the people who develop 
> screen readers, support for accessibility within operating systems, and 
> support for accessibility in at least some applications are hard-working, 
> knowledgeable, and strive to get it right. Unfortunately, whether they work 
> for multinational corporations or for small organizations, they tend to be 
> under-resourced. Too many software developers writing applications and 
> application components don't know how to implement accessibility support well 
> - or don't give it sufficient priority.
>The result is that there are too many bugs and rough edges, and this won't 
> change until there are stronger policies in place requiring higher quality, 
> as well as more software developers working on accessibility issues 
> effectively.
>I don't think for a moment that this situation is acceptable. I think it's 
> a policy issue, not a technical one, ultimately.
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:17 PM
>To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
> 
>Jason,
>You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
>why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
>system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
>why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
>systems to complete tasks.
>It certainly was not always  the case.
>I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
> being used.
>I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
>single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
>windows arena.
>Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
> failing to understand  this a major concern.
>as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
> have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  
> access is an impossibility in  general.
>However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
> started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  
> a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory 
> the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
>Kare
>Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using 
> adaptive technology  owns?
> 
> 
> 
>>On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on 
>> what I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
>> VoiceOver users significantly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. 
>> That’s why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work 
>> done. For example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in 
>> the last week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. 
>> Fortunately, the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are 

Re: Apple Magic Trackpad 2

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I'm sure it's useful for desktops (e.g., Mac Mini, iMac, etc.), enabling the 
use of trackpad commander in VoiceOver.

On 4/12/20, 00:48, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
 wrote:

One advantage is if you find the built in trackpad gets in the way, 
an external one would allow you to disable the built in one so touching 
it will not cause issues. Plus you can move it to a convenient location 
like off to the side.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/11/2020 9:33 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> Okay, I’m going to ask a silly question. I’ve never met a magic track 
> pad before , and was wondering at the advantages if any in having one as 
> a VoiceOver user?
> 
> 
>> On 10/04/2020, at 07:08, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>   I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages 
>> over the older model?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: Bug in new version of Numbers on OS X

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Phil,

I haven’t much in the way of spreadsheets on my computer so I asked my husband 
to test the latest Numbers on his, which is a recent MacBook Pro running 
Catalina. For him, VoiceOver will read column headers for the first 22 columns, 
and row headers for the first 44 rows. This is true both for navigating using 
the VO keys, and VO-Shift-t.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:09, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Has anyone else using numbers noticed a terrible bug in tables row and Collin 
> had a reading? In the new version 10 column labels are only read for about 
> the first seven or eight columns and after that numbers does not see the 
> column labels anymore. Similarly with row header labels the first Tanner so 
> Rose the labels are red, but after that numbers does not see the row headers. 
> I have use the various voiceover commands to read column headers and row 
> headers and it simply does not see anything there
> This is happening in all of the tables in my spreadsheet application, 
> approximately four tables like this are affected. I don’t think it’s my 
> installation, that is, a problem in the spreadsheet. I think that it is a 
> problem with the new release of version 10 for numbers. Can anybody else 
> verify a problem with table row and header label reading after the first 
> seven or eight columns in the first dozen or so rose? 
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