RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Mary,

The documentation is technically VoiceOver accessible but not conveniently so.  
I gave up on the official documentation and, instead, performed several Google 
searches and watched quite a few of YouTube videos and read quite a lot of tech 
reviews and comparison of both products.

To be honest, I purchased the Open Run Pro, first, then went home, paired them, 
fell in love with them, and decided to learn all that I could.

While in the store, I saw the Open Fit and went back to the store.  Best Buy 
has a Shock Bluetooth demonstration table so a customer can try each model and 
test them out, before purchasing.  I realized that, although the Open Run Pro 
has amazing bone conduction tech and fabulous hardware, I was really seeking a 
replacement model for my Air Pods and the Open Fit was the answer.

As for Amazon Prime, I think delivery time depends upon where one lives.  95% 
of the time, if I order a product before 3PM, I will receive it on the same 
day, usually, before 8PM.  That may just be a Los Angeles kind of thing (smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 7:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

 I just got a pair of the open fit, and I purchased them from at guys, keep the 
money in the blind community when you can if the price is the same or very 
close, I say. I ordered them on the weekend and they came today. I live in 
Oregon, and I suspect they were shipped from somewhere back east, so decent 
turnaround, not that much different than Amazon, which prime does not always 
come in two days anymore. Mark, how did you find out about all this stuff? I’m 
assuming there is nothing accessible as far as documentation goes. Any hints 
about that would be great.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 6:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone 
> conducting Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are 
> using the Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that 
> they are using a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the 
> Shock app for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. 
> feature that I absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 
> days later, I purchased the Open Fit model.
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from 
> which to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open 
> Fit model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to 
> conduct the sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on 
> both ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch 
> between Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect 
> to, two, devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like 
> me, just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Kelly,

You ask an interesting question.

The sound quality between the two models is equally excellent but quite 
different.  Remember, the Open Run Pro is transmitting sound through bone, not 
ear drums while the Open Fit is transmitting sound through eardrums not bone.  
Both devices allow for the same level of ear openness, so to speak.

The Open Run Pro is one unit, made more for exercise and distance walking. It 
is not as compact as the Open Fit.  However, it is sweat resistant and has 
sturdier hardware.

The Open fit, is more like Air Pods, with a charging case that can easily fit 
in one's shirt pocket.

It is no exaggeration when I tell you that I use them both and would hate to be 
without either.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kelly Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 7:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Hi,

Have you noticed any difference in the audio quality of the units? In short, 
does the $50 extra get you better audio quality or are you paying for other 
technology and the $130 has equivalent audio sound.

Kelly


> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone 
> conducting Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are 
> using the Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that 
> they are using a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the 
> Shock app for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. 
> feature that I absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 
> days later, I purchased the Open Fit model.
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from 
> which to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open 
> Fit model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to 
> conduct the sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on 
> both ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch 
> between Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect 
> to, two, devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like 
> me, just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread Mary Otten
 I just got a pair of the open fit, and I purchased them from at guys, keep the 
money in the blind community when you can if the price is the same or very 
close, I say. I ordered them on the weekend and they came today. I live in 
Oregon, and I suspect they were shipped from somewhere back east, so decent 
turnaround, not that much different than Amazon, which prime does not always 
come in two days anymore. Mark, how did you find out about all this stuff? I’m 
assuming there is nothing accessible as far as documentation goes. Any hints 
about that would be great.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 6:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
> a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
> model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
> ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
> just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread Kelly Ford
Hi,

Have you noticed any difference in the audio quality of the units? In short, 
does the $50 extra get you better audio quality or are you paying for other 
technology and the $130 has equivalent audio sound.

Kelly


> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
> a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
> model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
> ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
> just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

2024-02-07 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,

A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.

I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.

I think they are absolutely amazing.

What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
absolutely love.

The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.

In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  

With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.

The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.

There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
model.
1.
The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.

2.
The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
sound.

3.
Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
ears.

4.
Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
devices, simultaneously.

You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.

Mark


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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread Maurice A. Mines
Hi just for  what  is is  worth, I amusing Parallels v 19.1 on  a  m2 Mac 
running fedora 38, and  windows 11 Arm 64. In  Windows I am  using Jaws 2024, 
J-Say v22.8 and  Dragon 15 pro standalone. The  spring version of NVDA for that 
same  Arm  version of  Microsoft Windows 11. In  Fedora I  am  using  Orca in 
the  gnome. That  is  my  setup and so fare  it  is  working for  me.

HTH Maurice  Mines

> On Feb 8, 2024, at 00:46, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I looked in detail at LiMa. No doubt it has some use cases even for pure 
> VM without containers, but it's not really laser-focussed on that; it doesn't 
> give that much control over the virtualization layer, and it adds a lot of 
> overhead and limited OS selection to boot. UTM wouldn't be my first choice 
> either, but it's a machine emulator, even when it's using Apple's frameworks, 
> and gives you all the control you'd need. It is primarily because it's a GUI 
> app from the Mac App Store that enables it to utilise certain privileges 
> without escalation, like network bridging, but that's not ideal for 
> unattended virtual machines and there's no support for USB hot-plugging in 
> that scenario. My ideal would be a CLI wrapper around the frameworks, but 
> nobody has written one that's feature-complete and signed by Apple for using 
> all the entitlements. So we're back to Fusion for an all-in-one solution.
> 
> Now for something completely different. What's your Linux environment like? 
> What is your preferred desktop?
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   I do have 13.5 stashed away. Problem I had before was trying to get 
a new free license for that version. Maybe I will try again if in fact 
the beta fixed the bug. Thanks for the offer! Feeling more hopeful 
now.This has been a long 5 months since Sonoma was released.


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On 2/7/2024 3:17 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   Missed that link but its now bookmarked. Cannot wait, what, 2-3 
weeks? Fingers crossed!


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On 2/7/2024 3:17 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

Cheers,
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries


On 27/1/24 20:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I was happy to pay $10 9less one penny) for an accessible vm. Clearly,
I'm hoping this works out! I'll report when I've successfully started
running Arch in an UTM vm, or when I give up on trying.
This project, based on Qemu, received an endorsement in a podcast that I 
heard today:


https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

I have no information about its accessibility. It runs Linux in a 
virtual machine, supporting command line environments now, desktops 
still to come.


My preference is to run Linux directly on the hardware, but other people 
have different needs.


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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
The link was the one in my earlier email; here it is again:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

The really great news is that Apple have (surprise, surprise) just now updated 
Sonoma beta and, pending confirmation from another tester, fixed  the issue. 
Will miracles never cease?

I have the 13.5.0 disk image if you have a licence to run that. I dunno if 
earlier versions work, but 13.5 is definitely recommended for Sonoma. Let me 
know if you need this, I'll MailDrop it to you.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   Meant to ask earlier, if in fact one can only run version 13 of 
VMware under Sonoma. Again, thanks.


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On 2/7/2024 10:53 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
for Linux. Meanwhile, if you're affected and you care, pester Apple 
Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
bug, and VMWare have confirmed it.



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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   Ok can you find an official link to that from VMware? Then I could 
forward that to Apple Accessibility. I think doing that would be more 
effective. If I do not need to go to version 13 of VMware, it would be 
easier for me. I have been having trouble accessing anything on their 
site including captchas. Its all been a headache but I am not up to 
changing VM software right now. Thanks.


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On 2/7/2024 10:53 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
for Linux. Meanwhile, if you're affected and you care, pester Apple 
Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
bug, and VMWare have confirmed it.



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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
I don't hold out much hope to be honest, but I'll let you know if the beta 
fixes it, otherwise I'm looking at more time booted into Windows and using UTM 
for Linux. Meanwhile, if you're affected and you care, pester Apple 
Accessibility about it—it may not be their product, but it's certainly their 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   I have not. Last I heard, in order to use VMware under Sonoma, one 
had to update VMware version 12 to version 13.


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On 2/7/2024 10:04 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So there’s activity on the VMWare Communities thread discussing this:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

I have yet to try the latest Sonoma beta to see if this is fixed, as suggested. 
Anyone else tried it yet? I probably will eventually, if not.

Cheers,
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Sharing encrypted files and folders between Mac and IOS

2024-02-07 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible encryption App which will run on both Mac and 
IOS.
I want to store some encrypted files and folders using iCloud drive and have 
the ability to encrypt and decrypt  them on both Mac and IOS.
Many thanks for any suggestions … Paul Hopewell

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

2024-02-07 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
So there’s activity on the VMWare Communities thread discussing this:
https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Fusion-Discussions/VMs-shut-down-immediately-after-start-in-Fusion-Player-13-5-on/td-p/2992545

I have yet to try the latest Sonoma beta to see if this is fixed, as suggested. 
Anyone else tried it yet? I probably will eventually, if not.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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