Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, if you mean the integration of all the tools in an out of the box
installed product, it's certainly there on Linux for many users. The
a11y use case has also been demonstrated by small distro knockoffs like
Vinux.

It's not there, however, at the level that you can head over to Best Buy
and come with a working Linux desktop system. So, it's always possible
you will fail over driver issues and the like.


Each to their own, of course. But my main machine remains a Linux,
currently Fedora 23. I turn to my Mac to see how things work elsewhere
by way of comparison. Ditto for my Windows vm.

I will freely admit there are particular niche tasks I can't do on my
Linux box. But they are few. I 'm perfectly happy with the bulk of what
I need daily, email, web, etc. And, in case your curious, I still spend
more time in Speakup than in Orca.

Given what I'm seeing by way of a11y API development, I frankly expect
blink related a11y to actually take the lead. Microsoft have barely
started implementing an API for UI Automation, but they've declared the
DOM dead. Look out JAWS. And Apple won't even let you peek at the OSX
accessibility API--not even if you're a big, stock market listed third
party vendor.

Janina

Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
> Hi Janina
> 
> My point was really more that the integration was non-existent.  Of course we 
> know how it’s done because we have the knowledge to suss it all out, but Mac 
> and Windows users don’t even have the worry of learning.  I think VMWare made 
> an important decision to allow distributors to bundle their tools, but 
> unfortunately they can no longer depend on providing support or clear 
> guidance on how to use them—that’s the overall curse of Linux and the reason 
> why the Mac is the alternative to Windows for commercially developed and 
> distributed software.
> 
> Which is not to say I want Linux to fail.  My experience, though, says it’s 
> not practical for me.  At least, not until Firefox is usable and isn’t 
> constantly being broken.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: requesting help with linux and VM Fusion on mac.

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Hi,

Your Mac uses netbios to share its folders. This is why it's relatively
easier to share your host's file system in a Windows VMware guest
machine--netbios is natively a Microsoft way of doing such things.

You have two choices for access Mac hosted file systems under Linux
virtual machines:

1.) Install and configure Samba in order to get netbios services
under Linux. This is a common application, and apt-get on your Ubuntu
machine will know about Samba.

2.) Find, install and configure a NFS server on your Mac. NFS is the
preferred way to mount file systems hosted across a network under Linux,
and is easily configured on the Linux side of things. However, it's not
common on Mac to share using NFS.


PS: It's fairly easy to go the other way around with NFS. In other
words, it's fairly easy to read NFS exported file systems from a Linux
virtual host machine on the Mac host. In my situation I have my Airbook
configured to access files from my home office Linux servers using NFS.

The point here is that you're using network technology to mount remote
file systems--even though both machines are in the same physical box.
The communication between your Mac and your VMware virtual machines is
using TCP/IP.

hth

Janina

Michael Marshall writes:
> hey all,
> yesterday i at last got open VM tools installed on ubuntu mate v 15 so i 
> could hopefully share and mirror folders from the mac on my virtual machine.
> even after installing open VM tools i could not find my shared folders, nor 
> could i see anything in any of the folders i wanted to mirror between the two 
> machines.
> is there something that i'm doing wrong? the installation of open VM tools 
> went exactly according to plan but that was as far as i got.
> I find this incredibly irritating and i'm out of ideas.
> i even tried this on the mane ubuntu distro without any luck.
> 
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

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Hmmm, hgfs? As in Mercurial?

I will take back what I just wrote, as I think I've just learned
something. And, yes, please share your steps. I would appreciate them.

Janina

mohammad suliman writes:
> hi,
> this was also my experience when I installed VMware on windows with Ubuntu.
> the documentation is terrible, so spent several hours trying to configure
> shared folders.
> 
> On 1/14/2016 5:55 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> >hey all,
> >just wanting to let the list know that i have at last got my folders between 
> >mac and ubuntu working on VM Fusion.
> >even the instructions from VM were wrong on this.
> >i had to remove open VM tools because it would not mount the HGFS directory 
> >and install the VM tools that came with Fusion.
> >i moved the installer files to a temp folder in linux and ran a command to 
> >install from there.
> >if anyone wants the commands i will send them your way.
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >Michael
> >
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

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Well, I think the reason so few people use Linux desktops has more to do
with the Linux industry deciding to focus on the back office. There were
some very specific corporate decisions about this in the mid 2000's. I
was in the middle of them as Chair of the Open A11y work. All of sudden,
corporations were pulling staff assigned to work on Linux desktop
accessibility. But it what I saw was actually part of the wider
disinvestment in the Linux desktop itself.

Sharing files across OS environments isn't that hard. It's as old and as
reliable over TCP/IP as the ftp protocol, and all the major file systems
can be supported, if needed. Furthermore, tools like Libre Office can
read and write all kinds of file formats with minimal user involvement,
e.g. I haven't used Ms Word in well over a decade, but have no problem
reading docx files that I'm sent.

Just my 2 cents American on the topic.

Janina

Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
> The reason is that Open-VM-Tools is now using a FUSE driver that one installs 
> as part of the “open-vm-tools-desktop” package, whereas the proprietary tools 
> are using a dedicated vmhgfs kernel module that is now deprecated.  I no 
> longer use sharing because the dependency requirements are too heavy for a 
> headless machine.
> 
> This ought, incidentally, to be a nice illustration of why so many people 
> aren’t using Linux on their desktops. :)
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Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

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Did you run the integrity check on the ISO image? I have not used Sonar,
but there's surely some kind of checksum provided, and you should use it
to ascertain that the file you have on your local drive is a true copy
of the original. It might, for example, require you to run a sha command
of some kind.

One way beginners go wrong with iso files is to try and copy and paste
them to their cd burners.

As you were able to get at the files inside, the iso, you were clearly
able to mount it somewhere.

And, it's certainly possible it's a malformed iso image at the source.
Checksum should help disambiguate.

Janina

Michael Marshall writes:
> hey,
> i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
> Fusion absolutely hates.
> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
> i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
> > On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> > 
> > You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from the 
> > ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image during 
> > the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something close to 
> > it, and allow you to proceed.
> > 
> > I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
> > flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  However, 
> > if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point since the sound 
> > card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
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Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

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Hi Once Again,

In my other two messages about my saga with my upgrade to VMware 8, I've
explained how I successfully got past the problems with VMware's
reliance on Cisco Webex for remote access. I've also described the
partial success VMware Tech Support had fixing my issue. Windows works,
Linux does not. Bummer -- but that's another thread.

VMware seems to have broken my Mac key mappings. Most noticable case in
point ...

Command+M no longer takes me to the menu bar. Rather Vo responds "Minimize."
If I want the menu bar, I have to do Ctrl+F2, a more awkward gesture.

There are other mapping issues as well. For instance, I can't seem to
actually get my keyboard into the Windows vm. I seem stuck in the VMware
chrome on the Mac. I'll have to hack at this one.

Anyone know, or have a thought of what might have happened here? How do
I get my familiar Apple mappings back?

Thanks in advance for any help on this one particularly.

Janina

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Re: Unresponsive text input field [Was: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8]

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Hi, I have an update on my VMware 8 problem. I'll respond on this thread
about the problem allowing VMware Support to remotely access my machine
...

It turned out Firefox wasn't of help anymore than Safari or
Google-Chrome. We resolved the problem by having the VMware tech email
me a complete URI that included the particulars. That allowed me past
that part of the process and into the menu where I could allow them
access.

Unfortunately, the problems didn't end there. Once the Cisco Webex
screen was up, I had to work around buttons without labels. Fortunately,
the menu bar provided another way to allow VMware to start the remote
session. Interestingly, it came with a keyboard shortcut.

More in my other response.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> 
> > On 7 Jan 2016, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It’s been a long time!
> > Yes, indeed. Very good to hear from you. Hoping all is well!
> >> It is thanks. I hope all is good for you too.
> 
> 
> 
> >> I just tried the link and typed a number in that field. Use the tab key. 
> >> No need to use that interacting behaviour.
> > Thanks for checking it out. Perhaps it's some kind of artifact of my
> > being on El Capitan? I've tab'd, and tried both with and without
> > VO+Shift+Down. I get nothing with Safari or Chrome. I was successful
> > with Firefox, so maybe that will suffice when next I talk with VMware.
> > 
> I’m glad you have a solution. It can be very difficult for us to undertake a 
> task that most of the world consider to be a job that takes just a few 
> seconds. 
> 
> > I had a look at the source code. It's wall to wall javascript, and I've
> > heard Apple employees complain about how Cisco products underperform on
> > Mac platforms.
> > 
> I see, I didn’t know that. It’s been a long time since I observed raw source.
> 
> > Thanks again for the sanity check.
> > 
> No problem. Please keep us informed what these audio issues are. I Was about 
> to invest in Fusion 8 as I’m missing using K1000 and considering going the 
> virtual route.
> 
> >> All the best
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 6 Jan 2016, at 01:43, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, All:
> >>> 
> >>> I was just on the phone with VMware tech support. The idea was that we
> >>> would establish a Webex session that would allow the tech access to my
> >>> Airbook to figure out, hopefully, what's wrong with the sound in my
> >>> virtual machines.
> >>> 
> >>> I was unable to get him on. Per his instructions, I opened Safari to
> >>> http://vmware.webex.com and attempted to put his 9 digit code in the
> >>> edit text field. I believe I was correctly focused on the field, but my
> >>> typing did nothing. No chars were echoed, nor did any end up in the
> >>> field.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone have a thought on what I might be doing wrong? I did the usual
> >>> VO plus down arrow, and Voice told me I was interacting with the field.
> >>> But nothing happened. No chars entered, no chars echoed.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Meanwhile, I'm having no problems typing in any other field within
> >>> Safari, on http://ddg.gg, for instance. VO works as expected there.
> >>> 
> >>> Frustrating.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Janina Sajka writes:
> >>>> Hi, All:
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual
> >>>> machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no 
> >>>> longer
> >>>> get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The sound devices are showing selected. I know my Linux vm is running
> >>>> correctly because I can ssh in. It's local audio settings are correct as
> >>>> confirmed via the amixer command.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Before I ask VMware for help, I'm wondering whether anyone else has
> >>>> bumped into this annoyance?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks in advance!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Janina
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
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Re: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8

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Hi, My second update on my problem with of no sound in my virtual
machines after upgrading to VMware 8.

After getting through the issues of allowing VMware support remote
access to my Airbook, the problem for Windows 7 was solved fairly
easily. There was apparently a screen popup that I had never encountered
relating to updating the VMware Tools for this virtual machine. Once
that was done, NVDA and all system sounds worked as expected. I have now
cloned my Win7 machine and expect to do an upgrade to Win10 in the next
day or so.

There was no success getting sound working for my Fedora 22 virtual
machine. Reinstalling the VMware Tools for Linux did not solve the
problem. The machine launches and appears to be running, but no sound is
communicated to the Airbook's audio device. I can ssh into the machine
and ascertain that all the alsa settings are correct. An apaly command
behaves as though sound were playing--but no sound eminates. Nor is
espeak speaking.

As my support person was apparently at the end of their knowledge for
Linux vms, I decided not to worry so much about fixing this particular
machine, but to take another tack toward a possible solution.

I will try a fresh Fedora (or possibly an Arch) install this weekend. If
that works, I won't mind deleting the now out of date Fedora.

So, more news to come in this saga.

Meanwhile, I realize I have a third issue as a result of VMware's remote
tinkering. Guess I'll start another thread for that one ...

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:
> Hi, All:
> 
> I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual
> machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no longer
> get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain.
> 
> The sound devices are showing selected. I know my Linux vm is running
> correctly because I can ssh in. It's local audio settings are correct as
> confirmed via the amixer command.
> 
> Before I ask VMware for help, I'm wondering whether anyone else has
> bumped into this annoyance?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Janina
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Re: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Roland. It's good to know I'm not alone, though your issue
sounds a bit different. Myself, I never get the slightest bit of sound
from the virtual machine.

Roland Zitzke writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 23:48:13 UTC+1 schrieb Janina Sajka:
> >
> >
> > I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual 
> > machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no 
> > longer 
> > get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain. 
> >
> > In fact I can confirm this after upgrade to El Capitan and VMWare 8. 
> However, this does not occur promptly after starting the VM. Instead I have 
> seen several occasions both with Linux and Windows where sound disappears 
> after a while and comes back after a couple of minutes.
> VO speaks at the same time so it does not look like a general sound issue 
> on the Mac.
> 
> /Roland
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Unresponsive text input field [Was: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8]

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, All:

I was just on the phone with VMware tech support. The idea was that we
would establish a Webex session that would allow the tech access to my
Airbook to figure out, hopefully, what's wrong with the sound in my
virtual machines.

I was unable to get him on. Per his instructions, I opened Safari to
http://vmware.webex.com and attempted to put his 9 digit code in the
edit text field. I believe I was correctly focused on the field, but my
typing did nothing. No chars were echoed, nor did any end up in the
field.

Anyone have a thought on what I might be doing wrong? I did the usual
VO plus down arrow, and Voice told me I was interacting with the field.
But nothing happened. No chars entered, no chars echoed.


Meanwhile, I'm having no problems typing in any other field within
Safari, on http://ddg.gg, for instance. VO works as expected there.

Frustrating.

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:
> Hi, All:
> 
> I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual
> machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no longer
> get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain.
> 
> The sound devices are showing selected. I know my Linux vm is running
> correctly because I can ssh in. It's local audio settings are correct as
> confirmed via the amixer command.
> 
> Before I ask VMware for help, I'm wondering whether anyone else has
> bumped into this annoyance?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Janina
> 
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