Re: Microsoft office

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Fair enough. I knew that was the case for Windows users, but I didn't think so 
for the mac. I stand corrected then.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Microsoft office


 There is a stand alone version for the Office 2016 products for Mac. You 
don’t need to have a 365 account to purchase the suite.



  Take Care


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On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I wasn't aware you could buy Office for the mac. I know you used to could, 
but I thought now adays, everything was downloadable, then used Office 365.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Lois Butterfield
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 6:12 PM
  Subject: Microsoft office


  I bought this to use with my new Mac.  I believe I read somewhere that 
Microsoft office is not accessible with VO.  Is this true.  If so, I’ll be 
returning it for a refund as I haven’t opened it.

  Thanks,
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Re: Urgent, urgent Apple Logo appears with a message Installing Progress has not windows sometimes when I turn on My Mac computer!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No worries, it's all good.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Helga Schreiber 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Urgent, urgent Apple Logo appears with a message Installing 
Progress has not windows sometimes when I turn on My Mac computer!


  Hi guys! I ment OS 10.12.2 Thanks!

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  Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

  On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Helga Schreiber  
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Hi all! How are  you all? This is an urgent thing that I will  like you 
guys to help me figur out why it occurs or if you guys are having it as well on 
your Mac computers. So after I updated my MacBook Air 11 inches to IOS 10.12.2, 
when I turn on my computer this apple logo  appears  with a message saying 
Installing Progress has no windows, and  I can't go anywhere. When i ask my 
brother h who  is sighted, he says that I have  my user  name and  password 
field,an I call  apple accessibility more than four times and they fix it by 
doing recovery, a force shut down after four tries, and today I perform  VO 
Shift Space bar, and it brought me to my username field and password field. Are 
you   guys experiencing this issue? Just wondering. This began for me on 
Sunday, December 25. I install IOS 10.12.2 on Wednesday, Decmember 21, then 
four days later this apple logo appears with this  message when I turn  my Mac  
 on my Mac, adn it appears again after four days on December 29 again,and 
finallay today. And also,  as some  of you know the use authentication window 
stil is announce by Voiceover and there  is not window about that. So Do yu 
guys have nay idea why is this  issue occurring after I instal IOS 10.12.2? 
Voiceover says wen I move vO right, Installer Progress ahs no windows,and 
nothing else. I wil really appreciate any help you guys can provide me regading 
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Re: Urgent, urgent Apple Logo appears with a message Installing Progress has not windows sometimes when I turn on My Mac computer!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Helga,

Write me off list. I  might know what's going on.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Helga Schreiber 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:07 PM
  Subject: Urgent, urgent Apple Logo appears with a message Installing Progress 
has not windows sometimes when I turn on My Mac computer!


  Hi all! How are  you all? This is an urgent thing that I will  like you guys 
to help me figur out why it occurs or if you guys are having it as well on your 
Mac computers. So after I updated my MacBook Air 11 inches to IOS 10.12.2, when 
I turn on my computer this apple logo  appears  with a message saying 
Installing Progress has no windows, and  I can't go anywhere. When i ask my 
brother h who  is sighted, he says that I have  my user  name and  password 
field,an I call  apple accessibility more than four times and they fix it by 
doing recovery, a force shut down after four tries, and today I perform  VO 
Shift Space bar, and it brought me to my username field and password field. Are 
you   guys experiencing this issue? Just wondering. This began for me on 
Sunday, December 25. I install IOS 10.12.2 on Wednesday, Decmember 21, then 
four days later this apple logo appears with this  message when I turn  my Mac  
 on my Mac, adn it appears again after four days on December 29 again,and 
finallay today. And also,  as some  of you know the use authentication window 
stil is announce by Voiceover and there  is not window about that. So Do yu 
guys have nay idea why is this  issue occurring after I instal IOS 10.12.2? 
Voiceover says wen I move vO right, Installer Progress ahs no windows,and 
nothing else. I wil really appreciate any help you guys can provide me regading 
this matter. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
Helga Schreiber 
  Group Moderator  
   
for the IPad help for the blind 

  ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  


  Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
  Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
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Re: Microsoft office

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't aware you could buy Office for the mac. I know you used to could, but 
I thought now adays, everything was downloadable, then used Office 365.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lois Butterfield 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 6:12 PM
  Subject: Microsoft office


  I bought this to use with my new Mac.  I believe I read somewhere that 
Microsoft office is not accessible with VO.  Is this true.  If so, I’ll be 
returning it for a refund as I haven’t opened it.

  Thanks,
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Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have nothing to hide, am 35, and consider your request granted. I'm not 
getting in the mniddle of this. I offered help, and Scott made a very rude 
response. That's the *only!* reason I commented as I did. Going forward, though 
I plan to remain on this list, I have a new years resolution. I'm gonna keep my 
dang mouth shut, and if anyone is truely serious about wanting my help, they 
can ask me off list for it. 
clgillan...@gmail.com

Otherwise, I'll just lerk, and hopefully along the way learn some things whilst 
at it.

I'm finnished trying publicly to help when all that ever happens these days is 
me being ridiculed/chasdised.

Alas, I've made my point now. Enough said.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Halton 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.


  Hey Chris, how old are you? Please drop the childish sniping.


  Sent from my IPhone



  On Jan 3, 2017, at 1:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Sorry Scott.




I didn't mean to spread bad info. BTW, since you are the God of Verizon, 
and since you know everything about them and apparently work with them, how 
bout your badge rep ID number? Or, are you not prideful enough to give such 
info. This should be nothing you're nor any other Verizon God would be 
unwilling to provide, so what is it, Hare Crishna? Do I need to do a Puja to 
get Shiva to destroy your attitude toward me? There are 108 reasons why I'd 
stop now, Scott, while you can.





Chris.






On 1/3/2017 12:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

  Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information. 


  Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets 
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.


  There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the 
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from verizon will 
not be any technically different from the unlocked phone, they ship unlocked 
out of the box.




    On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. 
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which point, 
what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Singing Sparrow
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.


  this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any 
carrier that you want.



  On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Regarding AT&T versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to 
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage 
nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. In other 
words, you should have a sighted person whom you trust look at coverage maps, 
and also be sure that once you get your phone, if the coverage proves 
unsatisfactory, you have a period of time where you can return the phone and 
get out of your contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able 
to use that same phone on AT&T, because the modem in the Verizon iPhone 7 is 
different from the modem in the AT&T and T-Mobile iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton  
wrote:


  Hi,
  I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going 
to switch carriers from AT&T to Verizon. My questions are these: is Verizon 
wireless at least it's good if not better than AT&T as far as coverage goes? I 
get spotty coverage with AT&T in certain important places like the gym, and 
even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By 
switching to a 1 GB data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig 
each month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the new 
phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon over AT&T ? is it 
just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help
  By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, 
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And doesn't 
slip out of my hands so easily.



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Re: voice recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No worries! You were trying to help, and for that we're grateful.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Goodin 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:47 AM
  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  Yep.  Sorry, that was my bad.  I never send recordings to either of those, so 
I thought it let you do that, but I was wrong.
  Cheers,
  Donna

On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


It was my understanding that Just Press Record wouldn't upload to Dropbox 
as well as Google Drive.

I was going to suggest Dropvox, but it looks like the initial poster wants 
both Dropbox and Drive integration. Dropvox only does Dropbox syncing, so, 
there went that idea.

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  Just Press Record.  It's very easy to use.
  Donna
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Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree, and won't be saying any more on this thread, end of discussion.


The only reason that I saw Scott's message here is on this Win10 machine 
with Thunderbird, I don't yet know how to block e-mails. But I'm gonna 
find out.



Chris.



On 1/3/2017 12:59 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Hey Scott, I haven't you got the news that Chris has you blocked. I 
really don't want to see you to try to take shots at each other while 
you have each other blocked on email. Just thought I would point this out.


On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Scott Granados <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets 
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.


There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the 
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from 
verizon will not be any technically different from the unlocked 
phone, they ship unlocked out of the box.



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mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. 
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which 
point, what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Singing Sparrow <mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net>
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

*Sent:*Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
*Subject:*Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on 
any carrier that you want.


On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Regarding AT&T versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to 
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall 
coverage nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your 
particular area. In other words, you should have a sighted person 
whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure that once 
you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you 
have a period of time where you can return the phone and get out 
of your contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be 
able to use that same phone on AT&T, because the modem in the 
Verizon iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT&T and 
T-Mobile iPhone 7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi,
I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going 
to switch carriers from AT&T to Verizon. My questions are these: 
is Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT&T as 
far as coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT&T in certain 
important places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm 
hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB 
data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each 
month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the 
new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon 
over AT&T ? is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any 
help
By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, 
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other 
finishes, And doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.



Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sorry Scott.


I didn't mean to spread bad info. BTW, since you are the God of Verizon, 
and since you know everything about them and apparently work with them, 
how bout your badge rep ID number? Or, are you not prideful enough to 
give such info. This should be nothing you're nor any other Verizon God 
would be unwilling to provide, so what is it, Hare Crishna? Do I need to 
do a Puja to get Shiva to destroy your attitude toward me? There are 108 
reasons why I'd stop now, Scott, while you can.



Chris.



On 1/3/2017 12:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets 
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.


There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the 
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from 
verizon will not be any technically different from the unlocked phone, 
they ship unlocked out of the box.



On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. 
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which 
point, what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.

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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

*Sent:*Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
*Subject:*Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any 
carrier that you want.


On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Regarding AT&T versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to 
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall 
coverage nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your 
particular area. In other words, you should have a sighted person 
whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure that once 
you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have 
a period of time where you can return the phone and get out of your 
contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able to 
use that same phone on AT&T, because the modem in the Verizon 
iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT&T and T-Mobile iPhone 7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi,
I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going 
to switch carriers from AT&T to Verizon. My questions are these: 
is Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT&T as 
far as coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT&T in certain 
important places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm 
hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB 
data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each 
month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the 
new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon 
over AT&T ? is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help
By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, 
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other 
finishes, And doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.



Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. She might 
be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which point, what Mary is 
saying would be correct.

Chris.

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  From: Singing Sparrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT&T, new phone and questions.


  this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any carrier 
that you want.




  On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Regarding AT&T versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to check your 
specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage nationwide, that 
doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. In other words, you should 
have a sighted person whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure 
that once you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have a 
period of time where you can return the phone and get out of your contract with 
absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able to use that same phone on AT&T, 
because the modem in the Verizon iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the 
AT&T and T-Mobile iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:


  Hi,

  I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going to 
switch carriers from AT&T to Verizon. My questions are these: is Verizon 
wireless at least it's good if not better than AT&T as far as coverage goes? I 
get spotty coverage with AT&T in certain important places like the gym, and 
even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By 
switching to a 1 GB data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig 
each month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the new 
phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon over AT&T ? is it 
just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help

  By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, I 
noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And doesn't 
slip out of my hands so easily.




  Sent from my IPhone


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Re: voice recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It was my understanding that Just Press Record wouldn't upload to Dropbox as 
well as Google Drive.

I was going to suggest Dropvox, but it looks like the initial poster wants both 
Dropbox and Drive integration. Dropvox only does Dropbox syncing, so, there 
went that idea.

Chris.

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  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  Just Press Record.  It's very easy to use.
  Donna
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Re: voice recorder

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You mean recorder HQ? I'm not finding anything called HQ Recorder.

Chris.

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  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  I use HQ Recorder with my iPhone.  It can upload recordings to Dropbox or 
Google Drive.  I just found out last night that you can also get it to email 
people links to your recordings.
  Sent from my iPhone

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Re: movie audio description app

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

God help us, that's all I'm gonna say.


Chris.



On 12/30/2016 2:30 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Hey Chris,

Working age here in nz is 15 and age of consent is 16,

You can’t vote till your 18 or drink till your 18 but you can get 
married at 16 if you have the yes from the parents


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Christopher-Mark Gilland

*Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2016 6:37 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: movie audio description app

I actually got free passes to my local theater, as they insisted that 
the movie, "Sully" was not audio described. I later found out it was 
actually so.


I'm not sexist, nor am I ageist, if that be a word, but it was a 
Sunday  afternoon when we went. Normally, our theater is wonderful, 
and there isn't even a question of doubt when I ask them for one of 
the headset devices, but that day, they took about 15 minutes just to 
find a headset, then the gal who was behind the box office counter 
must have only been... Sheesh! I'd putter at maybe no more, pushing 
it, at most, 16. I thought that was against child labour laws to allow 
someone that young to work, but, I won't go there. Anyway, she didn't 
have a freaking clue! The headset she gave me wasn't even charged, so 
I took it back. She gave me another that was only barely charged, and 
it only seemed to have the listenning assistance turned on. When I hit 
the button to swap over to description, all I got was static. I went 
back again and told them, and they insisted that they didn't have 
description for that movie, and that nationally, regardless the 
theater chain, no one had it for that title. When I finally called 
back, showed them the IMDB page that states it had it, and then even 
had a friend who saw it described call and tell them he saw it 
described, they finally confessed that the kid working the counter 
that day was new, and didn't know anything about it. Frankly, taht's 
no excuse. She should a been trained before being hierred. I'm sorry! 
They agreed, and because of it, we now have 4 free passes, being 4 of 
us including myself went that day.


On a sidenote, don't see Sully if you can't get description for any 
reason. It's very visual! You'll need it, trust me! If you can see it 
that way though, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen!


Anyway, my point is, not to get too off topic from mac related things 
continuing this thread, but I agree with Ryan. You may need to insist 
that the movie is described. If they don't know what you're talking 
about, which they should, but if they don't, then educate them. Most 
theaters have some form of internet access. Do what I did. Don't ask 
them to, but insist! demand! that they go to IMDB's website, and look 
the movie up. If they refuse, then either have the movie detail page 
up on your phone, or have an already made printout of the details page 
for the title, so you can show them first hand that it has audio 
description. That way, if they say no it doesn't, you just put it back 
in their face, and say, "Oh yeah? Really? Then, explain to me what 
this little logo means." I've been known to not be the nicest about 
this with some people, but hey. I get it done.


Chris.

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*From:*Ryan Dour <mailto:rd...@me.com>

*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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*Sent:*Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:30 PM

*Subject:*Re: movie audio description app

Nope, but if you're visiting one of many chains that now offer
audio description, just borrow a device from their customer
service desk. As an example, where I live in San Francisco, AMC,
Century, Alamo Draft House, they all have listening devices
available. My suggestion is to get there early, ask for a device,
and repeatedly insist that they make double, triple sure that they
chose audio description, video description, visually impaired, or
whatever their software suggests isn't assisted listening.
Assisted listening is when the movie's standard soundtrack is
instead fed to the device. This helps hearing impaired individuals
enjoy the film. Many connect the device to a hearing aid, or to a
streamer that sends the audio to their Bluetooth hearing aids.
Clearly you just want that audio description track, so if you get
into the theater and the audio you hear in your headphones matches
the house audio playing for the trailers, go right back out and
insist they chose assistive listening, and ask them to reconfigure.

Good luck,
Ryan



> On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> HI Ryan,
>
> So this app wont work w

Re: movie audio description app

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I actually got free passes to my local theater, as they insisted that the 
movie, "Sully" was not audio described. I later found out it was actually so.

I'm not sexist, nor am I ageist, if that be a word, but it was a Sunday  
afternoon when we went. Normally, our theater is wonderful, and there isn't 
even a question of doubt when I ask them for one of the headset devices, but 
that day, they took about 15 minutes just to find a headset, then the gal who 
was behind the box office counter must have only been... Sheesh! I'd putter at 
maybe no more, pushing it, at most, 16. I thought that was against child labour 
laws to allow someone that young to work, but, I won't go there. Anyway, she 
didn't have a freaking clue! The headset she gave me wasn't even charged, so I 
took it back. She gave me another that was only barely charged, and it only 
seemed to have the listenning assistance turned on. When I hit the button to 
swap over to description, all I got was static. I went back again and told 
them, and they insisted that they didn't have description for that movie, and 
that nationally, regardless the theater chain, no one had it for that title. 
When I finally called back, showed them the IMDB page that states it had it, 
and then even had a friend who saw it described call and tell them he saw it 
described, they finally confessed that the kid working the counter that day was 
new, and didn't know anything about it. Frankly, taht's no excuse. She should a 
been trained before being hierred. I'm sorry! They agreed, and because of it, 
we now have 4 free passes, being 4 of us including myself went that day.

On a sidenote, don't see Sully if you can't get description for any reason. 
It's very visual! You'll need it, trust me! If you can see it that way though, 
it's one of the best movies I've ever seen!

Anyway, my point is, not to get too off topic from mac related things 
continuing this thread, but I agree with Ryan. You may need to insist that the 
movie is described. If they don't know what you're talking about, which they 
should, but if they don't, then educate them. Most theaters have some form of 
internet access. Do what I did. Don't ask them to, but insist! demand! that 
they go to IMDB's website, and look the movie up. If they refuse, then either 
have the movie detail page up on your phone, or have an already made printout 
of the details page for the title, so you can show them first hand that it has 
audio description. That way, if they say no it doesn't, you just put it back in 
their face, and say, "Oh yeah? Really? Then, explain to me what this little 
logo means." I've been known to not be the nicest about this with some people, 
but hey. I get it done.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: movie audio description app


  Nope, but if you're visiting one of many chains that now offer audio 
description, just borrow a device from their customer service desk. As an 
example, where I live in San Francisco, AMC, Century, Alamo Draft House, they 
all have listening devices available. My suggestion is to get there early, ask 
for a device, and repeatedly insist that they make double, triple sure that 
they chose audio description, video description, visually impaired, or whatever 
their software suggests isn't assisted listening. Assisted listening is when 
the movie's standard soundtrack is instead fed to the device. This helps 
hearing impaired individuals enjoy the film. Many connect the device to a 
hearing aid, or to a streamer that sends the audio to their Bluetooth hearing 
aids. Clearly you just want that audio description track, so if you get into 
the theater and the audio you hear in your headphones matches the house audio 
playing for the trailers, go right back out and insist they chose assistive 
listening, and ask them to reconfigure.

  Good luck,
  Ryan



  > On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
  > 
  > HI Ryan,
  > 
  > So this app wont work with the Rogue 1 movie I'm going to see next week?
  > 
  > If not then it's not an issue as The Force is strong with me.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Dour
  > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 2:42 PM
  > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  > Subject: Re: movie audio description app
  > 
  > FYI, the audio description in the Disney Movies Anywhere app is at this 
writing limited to titles published by Pixar. Disney owns Pixar, but they also 
own several other studios , and so far only Pixar films have the full sync 
treatment in the DMA app.
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > Ryan
  > 
  >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:05 AM, Gabe Griffith  
wrote:
  >> 
  >> Hi all,
  >> 
  >> I am planning on going to see the new Star Wars movie Rogue 1 on Friday. I 
think the Star Wars movies are now put out by pixar which ha

Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so, that way does! work? OK, wieu! That had me a little worried.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Carter 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:04 AM
  Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?


  Hi,


  At the moment, attaching a USB keyboard is the only way to turn on VoiceOver 
when in the recovery partition.


  Robert Carter




On Dec 27, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi Simon,


I didn't get to spend a ton of time in the store, but my sense is that 
there will be a learning curve with the touch bar.  Maybe not so much a 
learning curve as a significant adjustment period. :)


In the seven and a half years I've used the Mac, I've never needed recovery 
mode, so I can't say anything about that.
Cheers,
Donna

  On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


  It didn’t work for me today on a machine in a store,

  It could have been that the volume was down but couldn’t tell because the 
function keys aren’t there anymore

  It’s weird  stuff but keen to get my hands on one.

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Cook
  Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2016 9:44 PM
  To: Macvisionaries List 
  Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

  Hi everyone it’d be interesting how you turn on voiceover in recovery, 
because i heard on a podcast that triple tapping the sensor 3 times when 
holding down command key doesn’t work in recovery I’m curious about that! 
Thanks. have a great festive season. 
  cheers gerry have a nice day
  Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
  Skype: gerry.cook1 
  Twitter: @gerrycook52

On 26 Dec 2016, at 2:04 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Actually, there is an F5.  If you hold down the FN key, the touch bar 
displays all the traditional function keys.  If VO is on, they are announced as 
F1, F2, etc.
Cheers,
Donna


  On Dec 25, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Simon Fogarty  
wrote:

  On the new MBP there is no F5,

  I believe it's command and tap the power key 3 times 
  Or at least the key with the finger print sensor 


  -Original Message-
  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of E.T.
  Sent: Monday, 26 December 2016 9:19 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

Command f5. Merry Christmas and good luck and getting a new Mac.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
  E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

  On 12/25/2016 12:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:


Hi all,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a 
quiet moment between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this 
question to the list.

I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa 
was generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone refresh 
my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in a way that 
would be tricky without eyeballs.

I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again. 
 I thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
Cheers,
Donna


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Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hmm! You know? Wow! I never thought of that! Notta half bad idea!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 6:37 AM
  Subject: RE: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?


  What if you use an extended keyboard?

   

  That way you’d have the command f5 keys to press.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
  Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2016 10:16 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

   

  There's no way to accomplish that at the moment on the new MacBook Pros. 
Apple is working on this issue. At least that's what they told me.

  Von meinem iPhone gesendet


  Am 27.12.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Gerry Cook :

Hi everyone it’d be interesting how you turn on voiceover in recovery, 
because i heard on a podcast that triple tapping the sensor 3 times when 
holding down command key doesn’t work in recovery I’m curious about that! 
Thanks. have a great festive season. 

cheers gerry have a nice day
Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
Skype: gerry.cook1 
Twitter: @gerrycook52

 

  On 26 Dec 2016, at 2:04 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:

   

  Actually, there is an F5.  If you hold down the FN key, the touch bar 
displays all the traditional function keys.  If VO is on, they are announced as 
F1, F2, etc.
  Cheers,
  Donna



On Dec 25, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

On the new MBP there is no F5,

I believe it's command and tap the power key 3 times 
Or at least the key with the finger print sensor 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 26 December 2016 9:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

  Command f5. Merry Christmas and good luck and getting a new Mac.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/25/2016 12:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:



  Hi all,

  I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet 
moment between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question to 
the list.

  I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa 
was generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone refresh 
my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in a way that 
would be tricky without eyeballs.

  I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  
I thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
  Cheers,
  Donna


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Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ooo! Not? good! I hope they get this fixed, like, yesterday!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jürgen Fleger 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:16 AM
  Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?


  There's no way to accomplish that at the moment on the new MacBook Pros. 
Apple is working on this issue. At least that's what they told me.

  Von meinem iPhone gesendet

  Am 27.12.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Gerry Cook :


Hi everyone it’d be interesting how you turn on voiceover in recovery, 
because i heard on a podcast that triple tapping the sensor 3 times when 
holding down command key doesn’t work in recovery I’m curious about that! 
Thanks. have a great festive season. 

cheers gerry have a nice day
Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
Skype: gerry.cook1 
Twitter: @gerrycook52


  On 26 Dec 2016, at 2:04 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:


  Actually, there is an F5.  If you hold down the FN key, the touch bar 
displays all the traditional function keys.  If VO is on, they are announced as 
F1, F2, etc.
  Cheers,
  Donna

On Dec 25, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

On the new MBP there is no F5,

I believe it's command and tap the power key 3 times 
Or at least the key with the finger print sensor 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 26 December 2016 9:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

  Command f5. Merry Christmas and good luck and getting a new Mac.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/25/2016 12:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

  Hi all,

  I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet 
moment between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question to 
the list.

  I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa 
was generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone refresh 
my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in a way that 
would be tricky without eyeballs.

  I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  
I thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
  Cheers,
  Donna



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Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I know I 
said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in regards to iOS, 
*not!* OSX.

So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd ask. How 
extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation to braille is, 
let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter. I know for a fact 
that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's 
braille display, plug it via USB into the adapter, then put that adapter into 
the lightning port of my iPhone, or iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into 
Voiceover settings/Braille, and get my display to work? I just got off the 
phone with Apple before sending this message, and they told me that was 
actually a really darn good question, and to tell me the truth, they really 
honestly aren't sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just 
can't be too sure.

Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?

Chris.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thanks.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released


  Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste the 
dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this last night but I 
was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To have it run, simply go to 
your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to library than scripts. Find the 
Voiceover folder then paste the script. To use it, simply press right option+B.
  As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your messages or 
are you pressing return? I press return when reading emails and this doesn't 
happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
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  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac, 
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Has the problems with mail been fixed?



Junior Lolley kg4itd
Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
"The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice 
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take a chance or your life will never change."
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

  On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
  wrote:

  I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public 
release. 
  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
  have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Shawn, I'd love that script, and directions on how to get it working.

You can send it to:

clgillan...@gmail.com

I've not really installed Apple scripts in a very long time, so if you also 
could tell me step by step how to get this working, that would be great.


Chris.

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From: "BBS" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Hi guys. A couple things here. I can still get battery percentages with the 
battery status Applescript that I have. If anyone wants it, let me know. 
Second, has anyone running 2010 Macs tried to use Alex? Does he still crash 
Voiceover in this update?



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

   Did a quick read and it makes sense to me. I really do not believe
the time remaining on a battery is reliable but that is me.

   I am still in update mode. Perhaps the lack of a VO speaking
percentage is a minor bug? If the image is there then that must be it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/14/2016 1:13 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Tim between you and me, I think that’s weak sauce.

I knew the time remaining wasn’t hugely accurate but this seems like
Apple dumbing down their product because users can’t think straight.  I
don’t like that.  Should be a toggled deal.  But that’s me.




On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Scott,

The original link had a typo in it.  Here's what I've found:

http://www.loopinsight.com/2016/12/13/macos-sierra-10-12-2-released/

Again, it appears that there's still an image of the percentage, but
VO isn't able to announce that as far as I can tell.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

WHat’s the reason?  DO you have a pointer to the article?


On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:58 PM, matthew dyer
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim,


This is by design.  I read about it earlyer.


Matthew




On 12/14/2016 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

One thing of note, it appears that the Battery Menu Extras item has
lost the ability to announce the current Battery level.  That is, as
you move across the Menu Extras, the current battery level, or time
until charged used to be announced.  This is no longer the case for me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I noticed the same thing but it was incremental for me as I was
updating with each beta.  It seems like a pretty substantial update
in size and as you mentioned firmware as well.

Might blow out the install and do a clean 10.12.2 install although
so far it’s responding beautifully.


On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish
MST.  There must be some updates to firmware and other base
operations as I got the solid tone and about six restarts before it
finished the process.  All seems to be running smooth after the 
update.


Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues
from the beta have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know? That's ingenious! I keep forgetting that Siri now will let you do 
that. It didn't used to. That's not actually a half bad idea.


Chris.

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Cc: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released


Hello all,

What I have done is to ask Siri what my battery charge status is.
That works quickly.
i did send an email to Apple Accessibility about the invisibility of the 
charge status, but haven't heard anything back yet.


Bob Hill


Sent from Bob's iPhone

On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
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Chris, well now it seems it really isn't a real problem with Apple mail 
just my mail provider.




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On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 


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Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Has the problems with mail been fixed?



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Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public 
release. Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from 
the beta have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.


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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wonder then how one will check the battery status, if we can't do so from 
the Menu Extras area any longer?


Chris.

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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released


Hi!
This is removed for all users of the mac osx sierra from now on.
I saw this in an article.
/A

14 dec. 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

One thing of note, it appears that the Battery Menu Extras item has lost 
the ability to announce the current Battery level.  That is, as you move 
across the Menu Extras, the current battery level, or time until charged 
used to be announced.  This is no longer the case for me.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I noticed the same thing but it was incremental for me as I was updating 
with each beta.  It seems like a pretty substantial update in size and as 
you mentioned firmware as well.


Might blow out the install and do a clean 10.12.2 install although so far 
it’s responding beautifully.



On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish MST. 
There must be some updates to firmware and other base operations as I got 
the solid tone and about six restarts before it finished the process. 
All seems to be running smooth after the update.


Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public 
release.  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from 
the beta have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.


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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to 
work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Has the problems with mail been fixed?



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Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.


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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Has braille at all improved from the last build of Sierra?

Chris.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released


Hi,

Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish MST.  There 
must be some updates to firmware and other base operations as I got the 
solid tone and about six restarts before it finished the process.  All seems 
to be running smooth after the update.


Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta 
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.


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Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Command key? I thought it was the FN key.
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Subject: Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover


You actually activate voice over by holding down the command key and triple 
tap the touch Id


Nektarios.


On 12 Dec 2016, at 18:43, Scott Granados  wrote:

Andrew, you simply triple tap the touch bar to activate voiceover now.  I 
posted something from accessibility about this earlier. You can also use 
similar voice over methods to select keys on the touch bar.


Hope that helps.


On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi,

I had a chance today to lay my hands on the latest macbook pro with the 
shiny totally smooth touch bar replacing the function keys.  How does one 
activate Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands 
involving function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities 
anywhere on Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.


Andrew

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Re: I need a refresher with System Preferences

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Perfect. That's exactly what I needed.

Thanks, Tim.

Chris.

On 12/10/2016 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

The default browser is set in the General pane of System Prefs.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:31, Joshua Tubbs <mailto:ori...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Speaking of Chrome, does anybody know how to use the extension that 
mimics Safari Reader with Chrome?

Maybe I don’t have a good one.

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mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Where do I go under system prefs, in Sierra, to set my default web 
browser? I'd like to change it from Safari over to Chrome.

Thanks guys, and by the way, happy holidays!
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I need a refresher with System Preferences

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Where do I go under system prefs, in Sierra, to set my default web browser? I'd 
like to change it from Safari over to Chrome.

Thanks guys, and by the way, happy holidays!

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, fair enough.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:27 AM
Subject: RE: Question about the Sonos products


Hi Chris,

No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I 
mainly use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is 
required.


And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network 
through the routing I have setup.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
bridge, and it works fantastically.


On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's 
any better.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge,
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the
experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
Hope this helps.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

Hi krister,

How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the
Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably
straying into an off-list topic.

Many thanks for responding

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom 
wrote:

Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular
hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a
while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder
whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description
it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi
capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good
speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them
because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I
might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos
connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I
plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple
express? I'd appreciate any comments.

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados 
wrote:

I want 20 channel IMAX.;)


On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty 
wrote:

Hell no dude,
Gotta have the 11.2.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11
more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2
channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and
an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.
Certainly, 9.2 would be sufficient.



On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty 
wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock
the living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I
mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via
safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of
32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker,
Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with
DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I
listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you
had
11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers
were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you,
sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically
adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than
from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K
60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if
you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 chan

Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

100% agree with Jonathan, and actually, for the note, this isn't the major bug 
I found, though again, I can't state what that bug is. It's not so severe it 
renders things uselss, but it is a bit annoying.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Cohn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 
10.2 when it comes out


  I hardly ever use two finger flick up, because that is the behavior I would 
have expected. Two finger flick up is supposed to read from beginning and two 
finger flick down from the current location. 


  I can understand that this would be frustrating but do we have evidence this 
is a that the behavior you prefer is the intended behavior? 


  Best Wishes,


  Jonathan Cohn 


  On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm taking 
my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when you have opened a 
message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it reads a whole lot of extra 
stuff that you don't need or want to hear, the to field, the from field, but 
time, the subject, and finally the words "message body". It does all that 
before it reads the text of the message you want to hear. iPads have been doing 
this since the inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been good until 
somewhere in the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read as much email 
as I do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where.
Mary
PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and I 
know others have reported it for the iPad, and they still haven't fixed it of 
course.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:
>
> Just post the problem so we can all post our concerns to Apple if we 
agree.  I haven’t run in to a problem so it would also be good to see if it’s 
universal or not.  If you’re not comfortable, write off list and I’ll post it 
at least where we shouldn’t have objection.
>
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you, Scott. But since the list admin of at least one of the 
lists which I have posted has explicitly stated that they do not want such 
discussions on list, I felt the only thing I could do was say that there is a 
problem, and people should wait until the final comes out, hear what the 
problem is and decide for themselves if they can live with it. I don't know 
what else to do.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn’t disagree more strongly.
>>>
>>> When our access is concerned and someone wants to raise concerns I 
think it’s critical that they do so and this is the public beta.  I actually 
called Apple and was told that discussions like these were permitted.  Also 
consider that Redmondpie gives an update to date feature and change release 
publicly for each beta release meaning there is no legal concern and I have 
confirmation right from the horses mouth.  We need to discuss this openly in as 
many forums as possible so that suitable notification and public reaction to 
problems can be generated.
>>>
 On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then its 
off topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta testers?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

> On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having the 
same issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running beta six on an 
iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you as much as it does me. And 
this other user.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
>>
>> I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running Beta 6 
of the 10.2 train.
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to 
upgrade to 10.2 if you are not already in the beta program. Since I suppose 
were not supposed to say what is the problem on some of these lists, I won't. 
Just saying, don't do it before you hear about the problem if it doesn't get 
fixed.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Who's John? I thought Mark and Cara were the mods of the list.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 
10.2 when it comes out



Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm taking 
my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when you have opened 
a message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it reads a whole lot of 
extra stuff that you don't need or want to hear, the to field, the from 
field, but time, the subject, and finally the words "message body". It does 
all that before it reads the text of the message you want to hear. iPads 
have been doing this since the inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been 
good until somewhere in the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read 
as much email as I do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where.

Mary
PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and I know 
others have reported it for the iPad, and they still haven't fixed it of 
course.



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Just post the problem so we can all post our concerns to Apple if we 
agree.  I haven’t run in to a problem so it would also be good to see if 
it’s universal or not.  If you’re not comfortable, write off list and I’ll 
post it at least where we shouldn’t have objection.



On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I agree with you, Scott. But since the list admin of at least one of the 
lists which I have posted has explicitly stated that they do not want 
such discussions on list, I felt the only thing I could do was say that 
there is a problem, and people should wait until the final comes out, 
hear what the problem is and decide for themselves if they can live with 
it. I don't know what else to do.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I couldn’t disagree more strongly.

When our access is concerned and someone wants to raise concerns I think 
it’s critical that they do so and this is the public beta.  I actually 
called Apple and was told that discussions like these were permitted. 
Also consider that Redmondpie gives an update to date feature and change 
release publicly for each beta release meaning there is no legal concern 
and I have confirmation right from the horses mouth.  We need to discuss 
this openly in as many forums as possible so that suitable notification 
and public reaction to problems can be generated.



On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then its off 
topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta testers?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having the 
same issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running beta six 
on an iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you as much as it 
does me. And this other user.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running Beta 6 
of the 10.2 train.




On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to 
upgrade to 10.2 if you are not already in the beta program. Since I 
suppose were not supposed to say what is the problem on some of 
these lists, I won't. Just saying, don't do it before you hear about 
the problem if it doesn't get fixed.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
bridge, and it works fantastically.


On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's 
any better.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
experience on the mac isn’t so nice.

Hope this helps.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

Hi krister,

How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the 
Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably 
straying into an off-list topic.


Many thanks for responding

Andrew
On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom  
wrote:


Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular 
hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.

/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder 
whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description 
it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi 
capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good 
speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them 
because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I 
might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos 
connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I 
plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
express? I'd appreciate any comments.


Andrew
On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I want 20 channel IMAX.;)

On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  
wrote:


Hell no dude,
Gotta have the 11.2.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and 
an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. 
Certainly, 9.2 would be sufficient.



On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  
wrote:


Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock 
the living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I
mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via
safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of
32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker,
Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with
DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I
listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you 
had

11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers
were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you,
sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically
adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than
from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K
60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if
you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have
different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room 
and

5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that
blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8
microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink
noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you
can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software
updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different
surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider
how many features you get.  There’s also an App for the iPad or 
iPhone

to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in case the
260 watts per ch

Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I know what you're talking about, and though I can't reveal what it is, I'll 
confirm that I think I know what you're referring to, and trust me. You're 
not crazy, as I'm most likely having it too.


You're welcome to write me off list if you wanna exchange notes.

clgillan...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: ; ; 


Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 
when it comes out



If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to upgrade to 
10.2 if you are not already in the beta program. Since I suppose were not 
supposed to say what is the problem on some of these lists, I won't. Just 
saying, don't do it before you hear about the problem if it doesn't get 
fixed.

Mary


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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gosh, you know... I've seen this behavior before, so you're not alone. I 
just don't know a sollution, lamentably. And, when I did! see it, it wasn't 
in the Flash installer.


It will be very interesting to see what you find out about this in the long 
run. :)


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "aliFaisal" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Installing flash on the mac


I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.


On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. 
I know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing 
around the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to 
install from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...


How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?


What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
honestly, but, just in case it does...


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
Subject: Installing flash on the mac


I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation 
window, I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service 
thereby not being able to complete the installation. How does one go about 
selecting the check box?
Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.

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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...


How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?


What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
honestly, but, just in case it does...


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "aliFaisal" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
Subject: Installing flash on the mac


I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
check box?
Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.

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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Even still, I've never heard of that.
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  Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:50 AM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Hi!
  Option command up arrow.
  /A

4 dec. 2016 kl. 23:02 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


Option command left and right arrow? wuh? I've never heard a that. What did 
I miss?
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:57 PM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Hi!
  Try option command left arrow and option command right arrow to go to top 
or bottom.
  You can use the shift key in conjunction with these keys to if you want 
to mark mails and remove them.
  Otherwise use arrow up or down with the shift key to mark the mails you 
want to remove.
  Hope this helps.
  /A

4 dec. 2016 kl. 22:43 skrev Eileen Scrivani :


Hi, 

I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to 
the very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the 
in-box?  Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t 
have a numeric keypad.

Thanks for the help.

Eileen


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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Then... what the heck am I using option+up and down arrow for? That always 
seems to work for me without the command key.
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


 It’s option-command-up or down arrow when you are interacted with the 
table to get to the top or bottom of the list.



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On Dec 4, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:


Hi,

I tried Command + Option left/right and neither worked.  Any other commands 
to going directly to the first & last message in the table?  I was interacting 
with the messages table when I tried this. Quick Nav was off. And it just did 
nothing.

Does any one know what the command is that will get me directly to the 
first & last messages in the in-box?  There are so many messages the method of 
using down/up arrow is painful.

Thanks for any help.

Eileen


From: Anders Holmberg 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

Hi! 
Try option command left arrow and option command right arrow to go to top 
or bottom.
You can use the shift key in conjunction with these keys to if you want to 
mark mails and remove them.
Otherwise use arrow up or down with the shift key to mark the mails you 
want to remove.
Hope this helps.
/A

  4 dec. 2016 kl. 22:43 skrev Eileen Scrivani :

  Hi, 

  I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

  First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to the 
very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

  Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the 
in-box?  Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t 
have a numeric keypad.

  Thanks for the help.

  Eileen

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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

As I said, Option up, and option down arrow.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eileen Scrivani 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Hi,

  I tried Command + Option left/right and neither worked.  Any other commands 
to going directly to the first & last message in the table?  I was interacting 
with the messages table when I tried this. Quick Nav was off. And it just did 
nothing.

  Does any one know what the command is that will get me directly to the first 
& last messages in the in-box?  There are so many messages the method of using 
down/up arrow is painful.

  Thanks for any help.

  Eileen


  From: Anders Holmberg 
  Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:57 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

  Hi! 
  Try option command left arrow and option command right arrow to go to top or 
bottom.
  You can use the shift key in conjunction with these keys to if you want to 
mark mails and remove them.
  Otherwise use arrow up or down with the shift key to mark the mails you want 
to remove.
  Hope this helps.
  /A

4 dec. 2016 kl. 22:43 skrev Eileen Scrivani :

Hi, 

I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to the 
very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the 
in-box?  Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t 
have a numeric keypad.

Thanks for the help.

Eileen

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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

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Yes. Again, Option up, or option down.
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  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Chris, 

  Do you know the command that will get me to the begging & end of the message 
list?  Thanks.

  Eileen


  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 5:02 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

  Option command left and right arrow? wuh? I've never heard a that. What did I 
miss?
- Original Message - 
From: Anders Holmberg 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

Hi! 
Try option command left arrow and option command right arrow to go to top 
or bottom.
You can use the shift key in conjunction with these keys to if you want to 
mark mails and remove them.
Otherwise use arrow up or down with the shift key to mark the mails you 
want to remove.
Hope this helps.
/A

  4 dec. 2016 kl. 22:43 skrev Eileen Scrivani :

  Hi, 

  I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

  First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to the 
very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

  Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the 
in-box?  Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t 
have a numeric keypad.

  Thanks for the help.

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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Option command left and right arrow? wuh? I've never heard a that. What did I 
miss?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anders Holmberg 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:57 PM
  Subject: Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Hi!
  Try option command left arrow and option command right arrow to go to top or 
bottom.
  You can use the shift key in conjunction with these keys to if you want to 
mark mails and remove them.
  Otherwise use arrow up or down with the shift key to mark the mails you want 
to remove.
  Hope this helps.
  /A

4 dec. 2016 kl. 22:43 skrev Eileen Scrivani :


Hi, 

I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to the 
very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the 
in-box?  Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t 
have a numeric keypad.

Thanks for the help.

Eileen


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Re: A Few Basic Mail Questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Interact with the messages table. Command+A to select all, then hit delete.

To get to the top and bottom of the message table, or any! table for that mind, 
option+up arrow, and to go to the bottom, Option+up arrow.

Or, refer to the lesson I did in our classes on how to move to the top and 
bottom of a window. Just be sure you're interacting first with the table before 
hitting the command.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eileen Scrivani 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:43 PM
  Subject: A Few Basic Mail Questions.


  Hi, 

  I have a few basic mail questions.  This is in the latest OS. 

  First I need to know the commands that will allow navigating to go to the 
very top & very bottom of the messages in the in-box.

  Second, what command will perform a mass deletion of messages in the in-box?  
Both of these are on a laptop so keep in mind the computer doesn’t have a 
numeric keypad.

  Thanks for the help.

  Eileen

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IText Express, was: Re: bookshare

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow, this is impressive! I just looked at this IText Express app from the Mac 
App Store. Wow! How can all these features it offers in the app description be 
free!? This is incredible! If all of this wind up being totally accessible with 
Voiceover, then I'm gonna be in delightful heaven!

I know you didn't exactly mean for this to be an app recommendation, but 
goodness gracious! This may just be exactly! what I needed for word processing. 
I have Pages, but I love having alternatives. And... if I understood, did it 
not say that this thing'll even open EPub Ebooks? Are you kidding me? If not, 
then, I'm so! hooked!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Caitlyn Furness 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: bookshare


  I download the daisy text only version and then read it in either safari or 
save it from safari as an rtf file, then read with i text express or pages..


  hth,
  Caitlyn


On Dec 3, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:


good day:
This is for Bookshare members.
I could be doing it the most efficiently, however figured out that at times 
i have been missing a tool or service that can simplify my workflow. It’s time 
i bite my pride and acknowledge  that others know more then me in most 
situations ;)


right now i’m finding the book i want, selecting the EPub file format and 
downloading the book. Then opening the book in iBooks on the mac. 


This works, for the most part, but if others are doing things differently i 
would love to learn what and why…
NOTE: not looking for voice dream reader on the iPhone; this is just for 
reading BS on my mac…
(BS is BookShare, not that other meaning)


Best
Michael Babcock
Coaching blind small business owners.
Host of the Your Own Pay Podcast






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Re: Question about the Sonos products

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I have two play 1's, and the sound is just! freaking, explosive! Absolutely 
killer!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Scott,

Yes all of the above.

Two play fives would be better,
But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
play five in each front corner,


Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners
So you have a 5 speaker setup,

If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.

But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar 
by themselves,


Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
will give you a pretty dam good surround sound


As for speaker stands,
I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
the speaker.


Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,

As for use by a sighted person,

Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.

I'd highly suggest if it was possible
Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
thinking of


That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Question about the Sonos products

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most appreciated.


Thanks
Scott

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sonos only supports up to 5.1, not 7.1.

Enough said.
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- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
spacial hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.


My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.


We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
each other cancels the rattle distortion out.


All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.


Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the 
Sub for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the 
Sub and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé 
says they sync perfectly with the visuals.


When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to 
have the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers 
the change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video 
or music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable 
from the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its 
own network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be 
connected together with cat5 cables.


As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
night when not working, and they improve automatically.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most appreciated.


Thanks
Scott

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Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

3? hundred? for a bluetooth speaker? Wo! Baby! That thing better be able to 
do the dishes, my clothes, my coffee, and sing to me in vietnamese whilst 
doing so!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Nektarios Mallas" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover


Hi there.
Have you thought of a decent blue tooth speaker? In my kitchen I use a big 
jamb ox which I think sounds very good, and it is around $300.

or it was, when I got it
The other thing you can do is to get an airport express and then connect 
this to any speakers or amps you want without limitations.


Nektarios.


On 29 Nov 2016, at 23:28, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Listers,

I have a request.  Many of you are audio buffs.  What would you advise to 
use to set up in an accessible way for a kitchen system, not terribly 
expensive, two speakers so that I can airplay to them and control them 
with Voiceover from an ipad or iphone?  I'd obviously like as good a 
quality but can't spend an awful lot either.  Any tips/suggestions?


Andrew

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Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Does it have to be Airplay? If not, I'd really suggest two Play1 speakers 
from Sonos, and right now, until the 31st of December, they're even on sale, 
and yes, they can be controlled with an iOS device, and of corse are 
completely wireless.


http://www.sonos.com

If you get them, let me know. I love mine, and would be more than happy to 
help you one on one with getting them set up.

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To: 
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Subject: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover


Listers,

I have a request.  Many of you are audio buffs.  What would you advise to 
use to set up in an accessible way for a kitchen system, not terribly 
expensive, two speakers so that I can airplay to them and control them with 
Voiceover from an ipad or iphone?  I'd obviously like as good a quality but 
can't spend an awful lot either.  Any tips/suggestions?


Andrew

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Re: Blogging in iOS

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh! strange! Mine isn't doing that. Go figure!
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To: "Mac Visionaries Visionaries" 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Blogging in iOS


Do you? I don’t like the app continuously repeating the typed in content in 
edit fields while typing.



Am 28.11.2016 um 07:09 schrieb Christopher-Mark Gilland 
:


I just use the native Wordpress app, and find that it works fantastically.
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:44 PM
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Hello,
is someone aware of a blogging app for iOS which is as easy to use like 
Marsedit on the Mac?

Thanks, Jürgen



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

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Re: Blogging in iOS

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I just use the native Wordpress app, and find that it works fantastically.
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Hello,
is someone aware of a blogging app for iOS which is as easy to use like 
Marsedit on the Mac?

Thanks, Jürgen



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Re: google play music on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Apple TV, no, but it works great in the web player on the mac with Safari, 
and, if you use Chrome, there is even a full fledged extension which works 
really well.


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Subject: Re: google play music on the mac


Hi. One thing I like about Apple music is that I can use it across all my 
devices such as my Mac Mini, iPhone and Apple TV. What more could I ask for? 
I had canceled my GooglePlay Subscription because it’s not available on the 
Apple TV or the Mac.
On 23 Nov 2016, at 14:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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I'm just curious what you didn't find to be satisfactory about Apple 
Music.


Honestly, I have both it and Google Play Music through means of a Youtube 
Red subscription which comes with Google Play Music as well, believe it or 
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Subject: google play music on the mac


so I have cancelled my apple music membership with the desire to find a 
service more desirable. I was looking at a couple of services such as 
spotify and google play music. How’s the accessibility status of the 
spotify app on the mac? As I understand it after reading the post on 
Applevis, the mac app isn’t very accessible. Does google play music have 
an accessible mac app?

Thanks

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Re: TV app that might be of interest

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree with Donna. I can't afford it right now, although maybe tomorrow 
I'll be able to, being tomorrow's my birthday. We'll just have to see. I do 
agree though that cost is quite reasonable.

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Subject: Re: TV app that might be of interest


Well, given that other TV streaming services charge, it seems reasonable 
that they would, too.  I don't have a lot of paid subscription services, but 
$23 a year doesn't seem too bad to me.

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Wow! I have had this app on my iPad for a while. And they never charged 
anything. I used it occasionally. So to my surprise, I open my iPad, and 
there it is, now they're charging. I guess they had to make money.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


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Hi all,

In case there are others on the list who, like me, like to watch Hallmark 
movies at Christmastime but do not have cable TV, I thought I'd let you 
know that Hallmark now has an app that will let you stream some of their 
content on your iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV.  It's a subscription, either 
$23 a year or $4 a month, and you can cancel at any time.  Right now, the 
content is mostly Christmas, though not all.  There are movies, Hallmark 
Hall of Fame movies, a few non-Hallmark movies like Everything is Fine 
and Serendipity, a handful of TV series.  Not all Hallmark Christmas 
movies are available, but the service is pretty new I think, so I imagine 
they will continue to add  content.  The app is called Feeln.  You first 
download and install the free app from the app store, then you have to 
register, at which point you decide what type of subscription you want. 
Your subscription is paid directly through your iTunes account.


I only just discovered this, so thought I'd pass it along in case it 
appeals to anyone else.

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: TV app that might be of interest

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I wonder if there's an app like this for Apple TV.
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From: "Donna Goodin" 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:22 AM
Subject: TV app that might be of interest


Hi all,

In case there are others on the list who, like me, like to watch Hallmark 
movies at Christmastime but do not have cable TV, I thought I'd let you know 
that Hallmark now has an app that will let you stream some of their content 
on your iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV.  It's a subscription, either $23 a year 
or $4 a month, and you can cancel at any time.  Right now, the content is 
mostly Christmas, though not all.  There are movies, Hallmark Hall of Fame 
movies, a few non-Hallmark movies like Everything is Fine and Serendipity, a 
handful of TV series.  Not all Hallmark Christmas movies are available, but 
the service is pretty new I think, so I imagine they will continue to add 
content.  The app is called Feeln.  You first download and install the free 
app from the app store, then you have to register, at which point you decide 
what type of subscription you want.  Your subscription is paid directly 
through your iTunes account.


I only just discovered this, so thought I'd pass it along in case it appeals 
to anyone else.

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: google play music on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm just curious what you didn't find to be satisfactory about Apple Music.

Honestly, I have both it and Google Play Music through means of a Youtube 
Red subscription which comes with Google Play Music as well, believe it or 
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Subject: google play music on the mac


so I have cancelled my apple music membership with the desire to find a 
service more desirable. I was looking at a couple of services such as 
spotify and google play music. How’s the accessibility status of the spotify 
app on the mac? As I understand it after reading the post on Applevis, the 
mac app isn’t very accessible. Does google play music have an accessible mac 
app?

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Re: Is there a way to disable CTRL-F8 on macOS?

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That should be possible under System Preferences/Keyboard.
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Subject: Is there a way to disable CTRL-F8 on macOS?



Hi all,
I am just wondering if there is a way to disable CTRL-F8 keyboard shortcut 
on macOS? It is interfearing with apps I need to use on my FUsion VM.

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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, however, having seen Jessica's 
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  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  I wonder why they suddenly decided to do that.  I thought those were one of 
their biggest sellers.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. 
I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a Mac 
was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
setting up routers.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


  I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I used a Netgear back in the days, and found it to be quite doable. Unless 
things have changed, they're not that bad.
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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of the 
time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados  
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Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now.




They were good products though.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


  I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, yeah! True! I totally forgot about the line in jack.

Well, the Play 5's have line in, so you wouldn't totally be screwed. I get that 
it would be more expensive. I never said it would be the most ideal, I only 
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  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use 
to bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it had. I 
don't know that other routers have that.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now. 




They were good products though.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


  I think that this is really bad news. 


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I could see Airplay going away. I mean, it's not universal. It's generally not 
cross platform. Look at what Sonos is doing by simply using standard wifi. Not 
only that, but Bluetooth is really becoming more the thing now.
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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  I'm still using an old 4th gen and it still works like a charm.
  I never had any other brand last this long.  Then there's the question of the 
future of air play.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 16:57, Scott Granados  wrote:


  Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have job 
security.;)


  As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.


  Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was hoping 
for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. 
I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a Mac 
was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
setting up routers.
Mary



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  I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Skype Call Recorder

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I don't remember the order of those buttons, but you got the right thing. Do 
a VO+Shift+H on the buttons to see what they are. There are help tags 
included. I'd tell them to ya, but I'm not by the mac right this sec where I 
can look. Sorry about that.

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To: 
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Subject: Skype Call Recorder


I bought Call Recorder for Skype from the Mac App store and have a question 
for anyone using it.


When I bring it up along with Skype, there are 2 unlabeled buttons and an 
unlabeled checkbox. It says I have no recordings even if I do interact with 
the buttons and press them or check the checkbox. What am I doing 
wrong?Thanks. Also, I’m hoping the app store version is the one I want. 
Looking into the FaceTime version as well.

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's it. That's the name of the app I was talking about in my last post. 
Thanks for the clarification. BTW, that dev also has an app to do the same 
thing with Facetime, and yes, it works both with audio only, as well as with 
video, so take your pick.
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  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Podcasting on the Mac?


  Some great tips here. We use Call Recorder for Mac to record our interviews 
on iAccessVO through Skype. Great program for $30 very accessible and you can 
set to record all calls. It will record as a Quick time file and you can easily 
convert to WAV or MP3 with the built in software. We also use Lybsyn to host 
our podcast they seem to be the best, and everyone is spot on about Amadeus Pro 
and Mosen and the Blind Abilities pods. Good luck.

On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:14 PM, ROBERT CARTER  wrote:


Hi,


I use Audio Hijack to record and Amadeus Pro to edit the Tech Doctor 
podcast. In addition to Jonathan Mosen’s excellent Amadeus tutorial, the Blind 
Abilities folks have also done a podcast series on using Amadeus. If you learn 
everything that both have to offer, you will be an Amadeus Pro expert.


Robert Carter




  On Nov 19, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Shannon Dyer  
wrote:


  Thank you so much for all the info and recommendations.


  If I’m interviewing someone via Skype, would the other person’s voice be 
picked up using Garage Band or Amadeus? If not, is there some other recording 
application I need?


  Thanks again for all the help.


  Shannon

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,


Podcast can be created on the Mac with QuickTime and GarageBand which 
are both very accessible.  The article below outlines things, although it's 
from a visual prospective and a little outdated as it refers to an app named 
Podcast Capture which is no longer on your Mac.  The basics are there though 
and with a little investigation, you should be able to do everything you need 
to make a quality podcast.


http://www.chriswrites.com/how-to-record-voice-podcasts-on-the-mac/


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Nov 18, 2016, at 06:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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OK, in that case, I'd recommend an app called Amadeus Pro.

To learn more about using the app, there's an mp3 tutorial you can get 
through

http://www.mosen.org

As you can probably guess, yes, it's by Jonathan Mosen, who I have a 
huge! amount of support/respect for! I only try recommending the best to 
people, and trust me, his Amadeus Maestro ebook is steller! Very, and I do 
mean, very! very! worth the investment!
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- Original Message - From: "Shannon Dyer" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Podcasting on the Mac?


I'm needing tools for creating the podcast. Recording interviews, 
editing, creating the necessary documentation, etc.

Shannon


      On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  Are you wanting tools to listen to the podcast, or more for creating 
the podcast? Let's start there.
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  - Original Message - From: "Shannon Dyer" 

  To: 
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:10 PM
  Subject: Podcasting on the Mac?


  Hi, all.

  A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a 
podcast. I’m using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible software is 
out there for this purpose. Can someone please advise?

  Thanks in advance.

  Shannon

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Try an app called Skype Call Audio Recorder, I think it is? I'm not near my mac 
where I can get the exacts. It's in the app store.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Shannon Dyer 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Podcasting on the Mac?


  Thank you so much for all the info and recommendations.


  If I’m interviewing someone via Skype, would the other person’s voice be 
picked up using Garage Band or Amadeus? If not, is there some other recording 
application I need?


  Thanks again for all the help.


  Shannon

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,


Podcast can be created on the Mac with QuickTime and GarageBand which are 
both very accessible.  The article below outlines things, although it's from a 
visual prospective and a little outdated as it refers to an app named Podcast 
Capture which is no longer on your Mac.  The basics are there though and with a 
little investigation, you should be able to do everything you need to make a 
quality podcast.


http://www.chriswrites.com/how-to-record-voice-podcasts-on-the-mac/


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Nov 18, 2016, at 06:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


OK, in that case, I'd recommend an app called Amadeus Pro.

To learn more about using the app, there's an mp3 tutorial you can get 
through

http://www.mosen.org

As you can probably guess, yes, it's by Jonathan Mosen, who I have a huge! 
amount of support/respect for! I only try recommending the best to people, and 
trust me, his Amadeus Maestro ebook is steller! Very, and I do mean, very! 
very! worth the investment!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Shannon Dyer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Podcasting on the Mac?


I'm needing tools for creating the podcast. Recording interviews, editing, 
creating the necessary documentation, etc.

Shannon


      On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  Are you wanting tools to listen to the podcast, or more for creating the 
podcast? Let's start there.
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  - Original Message - From: "Shannon Dyer" 

  To: 
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:10 PM
  Subject: Podcasting on the Mac?


  Hi, all.

  A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a podcast. 
I’m using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible software is out there 
for this purpose. Can someone please advise?

  Thanks in advance.

  Shannon

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Re: playing music in IOS 10?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Siri rocks! for playing music, even if it's on Apple Music and not in your 
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Subject: Re: playing music in IOS 10?


Hi John,

Yeah, that's what I've started doing.  For whatever reason, that never 
worked for me prior to IOS 10, but it seems to be working well these days.

Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
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I  usually just asked Siri to do it for me. Seriously, I say something 
like  play the album "Highway 61 revisited quote.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Am I correct that there is no way to play an album accept to open it and 
select the first song?  This is very time-consuming and tedious.  On my 
iPod, which still runs IOS 9, Play is one of the options that shows up in 
the rotor when a particular album is selected.  Is there any way to 
configure IOS 10 so that it behaves similarly?

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

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Good point. I figured that would be inferred, but it's still a good 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:02 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible ftp client for the mac.



And Chris,

I'll make one other comment,

Before editing a conf file,
Back up the original such as make a copy of it to another place.



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For the most part, yes. Editting conf files can be a little bit dicey in 
places, but it's definitely doable as long as you pay close attention to 
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Subject: Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.



Scott,
may I ask a silly question...perhaps?
Does voiceover  work the same in terminal mode as it does with the rest 
of

the   system?
meaning your functionality, voice choices, remain when you are in
terminal?
thanks,
Kare


On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


Remember with the Mac you have the full compliment of unix tools.  You
can go to terminal and use the good old ftp client ftp.  Also SCP and 
the

complete suite of ssh tools are also available for remote login and
moving files.

Hope that helps.



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Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working
very well with jaws.
Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

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OK, in that case, I'd recommend an app called Amadeus Pro.

To learn more about using the app, there's an mp3 tutorial you can get 
through


http://www.mosen.org

As you can probably guess, yes, it's by Jonathan Mosen, who I have a huge! 
amount of support/respect for! I only try recommending the best to people, 
and trust me, his Amadeus Maestro ebook is steller! Very, and I do mean, 
very! very! worth the investment!

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I'm needing tools for creating the podcast. Recording interviews, editing, 
creating the necessary documentation, etc.


Shannon

On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Are you wanting tools to listen to the podcast, or more for creating the 
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Hi, all.

A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a podcast. 
I’m using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible software is out 
there for this purpose. Can someone please advise?


Thanks in advance.

Shannon

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

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Aa, symbolic links. Good point. I'd forgotten all about those.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dan D." 

To: "Nektarios Mallas" 
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.




If experienced in unix you know a simple alias will perform the entire ftp 
or sftp process.  You can have as many as you wish for as many remote 
sources you want.


On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Nektarios Mallas wrote:



Hi Scott.
Well, i? d rather not.
As much as I used to work with Unix in the past, I was really hoping for 
an accessible graphical user interface for this task.

I really don? t want to have to type long file names.
Thanks any way.

Nektarios.

On 17 Nov 2016, at 19:40, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Remember with the Mac you have the full compliment of unix tools.  You 
can go to terminal and use the good old ftp client ftp.  Also SCP and 
the complete suite of ssh tools are also available for remote login and 
moving files.


Hope that helps.


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Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working 
very well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

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whooo! I knew it had ftp, and that it had ssh, but I didn't realize it had 
sftp. That's awesome!

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Terminal has ftp and sftp.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Nektarios Mallas wrote:


Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working 
very well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Podcasting on the Mac?

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Are you wanting tools to listen to the podcast, or more for creating the 
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Subject: Podcasting on the Mac?


Hi, all.

A site I’m affiliated with is tossing around the idea of doing a podcast. I’m 
using a macbook pro, and have no idea what accessible software is out there 
for this purpose. Can someone please advise?


Thanks in advance.

Shannon

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Re: How does one get to know your e-mail address?

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Don't do it! I get these type things all the time. They are a hoax, and 
surely will fraud you once you give them your account info.

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Subject: How does one get to know your e-mail address?


Hi.

This is a bit off topic but I have to ask this question.

I received an e-mail today to my me account as I only use that account for 
personal things and you may know I use my alias for stuff like this list.


Well, today I received an e-mail today to my me account, I will put this 
e-mail below so you can see what I'm talking about.  Now I think this e-mail 
is junk as I am frightened to do what is asked on it although I'm tempted if 
it means you get ready cash but I'm scared.


But what I'd like to know, how on earth do people get your e-mail especially 
if you do not give it out?  This e-mail is below.  I'd like someone's 
opinion for some one to tell me is this junk as It is difficult to tell.


I hope everyone understands that I only do this kind of thing to get advice 
from anyone who is happy to give it to me and as Mark says that this is a 
list to share things because we are all in the same boat, Visually impaired 
which is not my favourite word as I'm totally blind so my vision can't be 
impaired.  So please forgive me for this.


Time sensitive...
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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Glad we all could help. Let us know if you need anything further.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kristeen Hughes" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


I appreciate all of the great posts on this subject.

It does work beautifully on my iPhone, and it also works well using a line 
in cable from the Mac mini.


Thanks again.

Kristeen

On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


You are in good hands, my friend! I use Sonos products so extensively, I'm 
literally a private beta tester. I can't really say much more than that 
however regarding that fact. However, in regards to your question, the 
Sonos app is not very speech friendly with voiceover on the Mac. This 
said, do you have an iOS device, or a Windows device? If so, you have two 
sollutions, both of which are 100% accessible.


First off, you can install the Sonos Controller iOS app. It is totally 
totally accessible! Secondly, you can go to:


http://www.sonos.com

and download the Windows PC version of the Sonos controller. Then, you'll 
also need to go to:


http://www.hartgen.org/sonos

and get the free JAWS scripts that Brian wrote for the controller. They're 
not required, but they'll definitely help tremendously.


Actually, you even have a 3rd option, come to think of it. You also can 
use the controller app through Android e with any of the screen readers 
over there like Talkback, Spiel, Shine, Voice Assist, etc. There might 
even be an app for the Kindle Fire, but not sure. If you have an Amazon 
Alexa Echo, you even can control the speakers with your voice.


You also may want to go to

http://www.mosen.org

Jonathan Mosen has written a book which is very very reasonably priced, 
and very very very worth it, which will explain every single aspect of the 
Sonos system. After reading the book cover to cover in one day, I was so 
freaking hooked/convinced, that I went that very day, practically begging! 
my grandmother to take me to Best Buy to pick up a set of Play1's. It was 
probably one of the best investments I've ever made!


Cristine, if you'd like to do so, this is my work number, but it rings at 
all hours of the day to my home office. I'll be here all tonight, and all 
tomorrow, so feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss this further 
via voice. I'd be tickled to death to help you with this! Again, this 
number already is very much public knowledge, so it's not like I'm giving 
out personal info on list. It's in my signature anyway, so it's not like 
people can't already get it.


You can call me at: 704-256-8010, Then choose option 1 from the IVR. If 
you don't get me, leave me a voicemail with a number, and I'll call you 
back. I'm on eastern time, and there is no time which is most convenient. 
Just call whenever.


Please don't return the speaker though. I cross my heart we can get you up 
and running! If you return, you'll definitely regret in the long run. 
Hell, I'd kill! for a set of play5's, but they weren't in my budget at the 
time.

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- Original Message - From: "Kristeen Hughes" 
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:10 PM
Subject: A question about the Sonos


I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added 
my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make 
it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them 
high.


Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Very very welcome, as always.
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Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


This post was extremely helpful and well-written. Thank you for it.

Kristeen

On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.


2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.


3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.


4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which 
basically calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. 
This process is 100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of 
them, and worked very very extensively with them, and though I cannot 
clame that it was me who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge 
part to do with it. You also under here have settings for compression on 
or off, reducing loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are 
accessible.


As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.


On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker 
right there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front 
speaker grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch 
pannel, but don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you 
know where that print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line 
yourself up. There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not 
context sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never 
ever ever change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On 
the right side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you 
can take your finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your 
finger up off the front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should 
glide right over the window on the area you need to touch. This sounds 
maybe a little tricky, but I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able 
in the Best Buy store to consistently get this to work the very first try. 
It's really really not hard once you know where that print label is, and 
no this little trick.


The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.


You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the 
speaker, just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the 
top of the unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not 
offset. It's actually dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the 
bar is a rocker button. The top part will turn it up with each press, and 
the bottom part turns it down. Just above this is a small square button. 
It's about the size of the pad of your finger. This is play/pause.


Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your 
power cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little 
button. This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your 
controller, you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the button 
they're talking about.


On the Play1 and Play3, what you're gonna do is, you're gonna press the 
volume up, and the play/pause buttons at the same time, don't hold them 
in. Just press and release. You're not gonna hold the connect button 
either on the play5, just push and release, by the way. No holding 
necessary.  You should hear then a small little chime tone through the 
speaker, which will indicate you did it correctly, and the controller 
software should then progress automatically to the next step in the setup 
process.


One more thing. When a song is playing, on either the play1 or play 5, as 
well as the play 3, double pressing, or in the case of the play 5, 
tapping, the play pause button will advance to the next song, if 

Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I think it was like, $29, or $39. Can't remember.

http://www.panics.com

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Subject: Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.


Hi I use Transmit and love it. It is very accessible with Voiceover. I
don't remember how much it costs but if you do a google search for it
you'll sometimes find coupon codes to save money.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 11/17/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

For a GUI option, take a look at Transmit.  Totally accessible, unless
they've broken it in the latest version.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:00, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

Thanks for that.
I will definitely take a look.
Nektarios.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 20:43, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
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Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

Well, i’ d rather not.  As much as I used to work with Unix in the past,
I
was really hoping for an accessible graphical user interface for this
task.
I really don’ t want to have to type long file names.



With lftp, you get tab completion, so you don't have to type long file
names.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

They've not broken it as far as accessibility, but I'm still pulling my hair 
out trying to figure out why things are moving so slow both on the upload, 
and download sides. Especially the former.

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Hi,

For a GUI option, take a look at Transmit.  Totally accessible, unless 
they've broken it in the latest version.


Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:00, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

Thanks for that.
I will definitely take a look.
Nektarios.

On 17 Nov 2016, at 20:43, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
Well, i’ d rather not.  As much as I used to work with Unix in the past, 
I
was really hoping for an accessible graphical user interface for this 
task.

I really don’ t want to have to type long file names.



With lftp, you get tab completion, so you don't have to type long file 
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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

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For the most part, yes. Editting conf files can be a little bit dicey in 
places, but it's definitely doable as long as you pay close attention to 
what you're doing.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Lewellen" 

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.



Scott,
may I ask a silly question...perhaps?
Does voiceover  work the same in terminal mode as it does with the rest of 
the   system?
meaning your functionality, voice choices, remain when you are in 
terminal?

thanks,
Kare


On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Scott Granados wrote:

Remember with the Mac you have the full compliment of unix tools.  You 
can go to terminal and use the good old ftp client ftp.  Also SCP and the 
complete suite of ssh tools are also available for remote login and 
moving files.


Hope that helps.


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Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working 
very well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Another one that is really good by the way, from what I hear is Ciberduck.

I've never tried it, but I know people who have, who say it's quite good.
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Hi Scott.
Well, i’ d rather not.
As much as I used to work with Unix in the past, I was really hoping for an 
accessible graphical user interface for this task.

I really don’ t want to have to type long file names.
Thanks any way.

Nektarios.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 19:40, Scott Granados  wrote:

Remember with the Mac you have the full compliment of unix tools.  You can 
go to terminal and use the good old ftp client ftp.  Also SCP and the 
complete suite of ssh tools are also available for remote login and moving 
files.


Hope that helps.



On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working 
very well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Remember. There is always tab completion, so you don't have to type a whole 
long file name, or whatever. Just type the first bit of it, then hit your 
tab key. This said though, I agree with  you, and figured that was what you 
wanted, hince why I suggested transmit.

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To: 
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Subject: Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.



Hi Scott.
Well, i’ d rather not.
As much as I used to work with Unix in the past, I was really hoping for an 
accessible graphical user interface for this task.

I really don’ t want to have to type long file names.
Thanks any way.

Nektarios.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 19:40, Scott Granados  wrote:

Remember with the Mac you have the full compliment of unix tools.  You can 
go to terminal and use the good old ftp client ftp.  Also SCP and the 
complete suite of ssh tools are also available for remote login and moving 
files.


Hope that helps.



On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working 
very well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

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um,

I thought cls was the command in dos that cleared the screen, which in unix 
is simply just, "clear". I think the command you're thinking of is just 
"ls". And, if you don't want anything but just a straight list of 
files/folders then you can do, "ls -1".


It's kind a like the "dir" command was in the old dos days.

Still though, being he talks about Filezilla, I'm presuming that he wants a 
gui based app, not a CLI.

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Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with

voice over.


lftp will definitely work. You should be able to install it by first
installing HomeBrew, then installing the lftp package. Finally, run it 
from a
terminal. The cls command is the most convenient way to obtain a list of 
files

in a directory.

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Re: Accessible ftp client for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I really like transmit, although, lately it's going really slow for me, and 
I've yet figured out why.

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Subject: Accessible ftp client for the mac.



Hi guys.
Well, the subject says it all. I need an FTP client that will work well 
with voice over.
In windows many years ago, I used to use filezella and it was working very 
well with jaws.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios.

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Re: Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple Accessibility!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Again,

I never said there wasn't hope for Apple, nor did I say that what I did was 
a smart move. Honestly, I feel pretty stupid!

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Subject: Re: Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple 
Accessibility!



I’m not sure why there wouldn’t be hope for Apple, this is pretty common 
behavior although you’d have to be pretty odd to be ripping off parts of the 
tray that’s already installed.  I can sort of understand how this might 
happen though as sometimes the components feel different than you might 
imagine but in general, if I don’t know what it is I don’t rip it off.;)



On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:45 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  There is hope for Apple yet. (shakes head in wonderment)

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On 11/17/2016 12:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, once again, Apple has done it! They have exceeded my expectations
by far! I'm very very impressed!

So, here's the medium length version of the Sauga.

I have two iPhones, a 7+, and a 6S.

What I wanted to do was, I wanted to take the sim cards, and reverse
them. So the 6S goes in the 7+, the 7+ goes in the 6S. Basically a phone
number swap.

What happened was, for some reason, I don't know if the sim tray was
crooked or what, but it wasn't seating  flushed with the bezil of the
phone. So, I slid the tray out all the way into my hand, and really
examined the tray closely with no sim lying in it. What I noticed was,
on the end opisit from what goes first slidden into the phone, there was
this really el cheapo dinky dank little thing that felt like the
protective plastic thin film that would go over the screen of a phone
during packaging to protect it. The best way I can describe it is, it
felt like really really really thin filmy wax paper, or maybe like

really thin cellophan. I was like, what on earth? um, why would

cellophane be on the tray down inside the sim slot stuck to the tray?
Don't tell me at Best buy, they didn't see this and forgot to remove
it.  Well, no worries. Well? yeah, worries! Oopsy doodles, Me bwoke it
weel good! Basically, thinking that was

cellophane, what did little Crissy dumb nut do? You guessed it!  Yank? I
tore the thing right off. I'm like it's just

cellophane, so who cares!



Well? I later found out, so guys with iPhone 7 and 7 pluses, beware of
this, that's not actually

cellophane! Don't pull it off, whatever the heck you do! That film is a
very thin rubbery bumpber/gasket which basically helps the sim card tray
to slide in totally aligned straight/flat. If you tear it off, you just
rendered that sim tray utterly useless.



So long story short, I called Apple Accessibility and told them I was
having issues.  Through describing to them what I did, and what
initially happened before doing so, and what happened now that I did! do
so, they were able to conclude what I'd done, and explained to me about
that little rubber piece. They took my feedback and sent to engineers
regarding this, as to a blind person, that's really kind a a bad way to
make that sim tray. I mean, the tray from my 6S doesn't have one of
those rubber pieces, and it fits both my phones perfectly! So, why add
that bumper? Don't fix it if it ain't a problem to start with. I liked
it better on the 6S, 6S+, 6, and 6S, how there are! no pieces like that
on the tray. It just is what it is, a tray.



They said I'm by far not the first person's who's done this to their
7/7+ tray, and were very very willing to own up to it being their falt
for confusing design, especially if you can't visually see what it is
you're pulling to know what it isn't. They were so sorry for this, that
they agreed even to send me out not 1, but two! 6S doors, and! two 7+
doors. so I'd have some spares. They're not even charging me a penny 
either!




To me, that really shows that they get it. They really do understand how
this potentially is a bigtime problem that needs to be dealt with in
their making assemblyline.



Go Apple!



Chris.

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Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple Accessibility!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys, once again, Apple has done it! They have exceeded my expectations by far! 
I'm very very impressed!

So, here's the medium length version of the Sauga.

I have two iPhones, a 7+, and a 6S.

What I wanted to do was, I wanted to take the sim cards, and reverse them. So 
the 6S goes in the 7+, the 7+ goes in the 6S. Basically a phone number swap.

What happened was, for some reason, I don't know if the sim tray was crooked or 
what, but it wasn't seating  flushed with the bezil of the phone. So, I slid 
the tray out all the way into my hand, and really examined the tray closely 
with no sim lying in it. What I noticed was, on the end opisit from what goes 
first slidden into the phone, there was this really el cheapo dinky dank little 
thing that felt like the protective plastic thin film that would go over the 
screen of a phone during packaging to protect it. The best way I can describe 
it is, it felt like really really really thin filmy wax paper, or maybe like
really thin cellophan. I was like, what on earth? um, why would 

cellophane be on the tray down inside the sim slot stuck to the tray? Don't 
tell me at Best buy, they didn't see this and forgot to remove it.  Well, no 
worries. Well? yeah, worries! Oopsy doodles, Me bwoke it weel good! Basically, 
thinking that was 

cellophane, what did little Crissy dumb nut do? You guessed it!  Yank? I tore 
the thing right off. I'm like it's just 

cellophane, so who cares!



Well? I later found out, so guys with iPhone 7 and 7 pluses, beware of this, 
that's not actually 

cellophane! Don't pull it off, whatever the heck you do! That film is a very 
thin rubbery bumpber/gasket which basically helps the sim card tray to slide in 
totally aligned straight/flat. If you tear it off, you just rendered that sim 
tray utterly useless.



So long story short, I called Apple Accessibility and told them I was having 
issues.  Through describing to them what I did, and what initially happened 
before doing so, and what happened now that I did! do so, they were able to 
conclude what I'd done, and explained to me about that little rubber piece. 
They took my feedback and sent to engineers regarding this, as to a blind 
person, that's really kind a a bad way to make that sim tray. I mean, the tray 
from my 6S doesn't have one of those rubber pieces, and it fits both my phones 
perfectly! So, why add that bumper? Don't fix it if it ain't a problem to start 
with. I liked it better on the 6S, 6S+, 6, and 6S, how there are! no pieces 
like that on the tray. It just is what it is, a tray.



They said I'm by far not the first person's who's done this to their 7/7+ tray, 
and were very very willing to own up to it being their falt for confusing 
design, especially if you can't visually see what it is you're pulling to know 
what it isn't. They were so sorry for this, that they agreed even to send me 
out not 1, but two! 6S doors, and! two 7+ doors. so I'd have some spares. 
They're not even charging me a penny either!



To me, that really shows that they get it. They really do understand how this 
potentially is a bigtime problem that needs to be dealt with in their making 
assemblyline.



Go Apple!



Chris.

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Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not a bad idea. I'll check into that.
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  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP


  Verify ping rtt times on both machines.  Yo can use command line ping on both 
 machines, but I believe one uses icnp and the other uses UDP, so if you can 
normalize that somehow that will help your testing. When testing try making 
packet sizes around 1500. Also Arz Technica Sierra uses ECN congestion 
protection which could cause this behavior on older network equipment. 

  Another thing to check, is which version of IP, four or six the connections 
to your remote server or making. You can check this with Nat Stead minus at 
eight but you'll have to search through bunch of other connections.
  Best wishes,


  Jonathan Cohn 

  On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:


This is just a guess, but Google for protocol filtering in Mac OS 10. It's 
possible that SFTP and FTP Protocols are being bandwidth throttled using the 
Mac OS 10 firewall

Something similar could also be happening with the network interface.  

Hope this helps, Erik.

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On November 13, 2016 11:46:50 PM "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

  OK, this one surely'll drive you crazy trying to figure out. I know it 
sure is me!

  So, I am using the most up to date version of Transmit on my mac mini 
late 2012, with El Capitan.

  I have a whm/CPanel dedicated server which I'm using for my business.

  I've tried logging in via both ftp as well as via SFTP, both as root as 
well as a physical client, and  in both cases am having this issue.

  So, any time that I try uploading anything, no matter what I seem to do, 
it's uploading around 8 K a second. I mean, just! absolutely! crawling! Now, 
get this, though. If I use a client on Windows, like say, Filezilla, or maybe 
my favorite, Flash FXP, then, I try transferring that same exact thing, I get 
about 300 to 400 K upstream a second consistently by uploading the exact same 
content even into the exact same remote folder.

  I've again tried with both FTP, and with SFTP. I've tried with the 
Webdisk addon, as well as through the actual UI of Transmit itself, and get the 
same results both ways. Furthermore, I've also tried both with, and without 
passive mode, and neither seems to make any difference.

  This is just the weirdest thing! You'd not think that one client would 
transfer more slowly than another, would you, if you're using the same exact 
settings from one client to another. Oh, and by the way, this isn't just! my 
CPanel server. This is happening on other private FTP sites I'm a part of, as 
well.

  Chris.

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Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP

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So, I googled, but I'm not really seeming to have much luck finding anything, 
unless I don't really know what I'm fully doing, which is somewhat possible. 
Can you possibly find a direct link that talks exactly about this, specifically 
for OSX? Everything I'm seeing is Windows based for Nod32.
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  From: Erik Burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP


  This is just a guess, but Google for protocol filtering in Mac OS 10. It's 
possible that SFTP and FTP Protocols are being bandwidth throttled using the 
Mac OS 10 firewall

  Something similar could also be happening with the network interface.  

  Hope this helps, Erik.

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  On November 13, 2016 11:46:50 PM "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

OK, this one surely'll drive you crazy trying to figure out. I know it sure 
is me!

So, I am using the most up to date version of Transmit on my mac mini late 
2012, with El Capitan.

I have a whm/CPanel dedicated server which I'm using for my business.

I've tried logging in via both ftp as well as via SFTP, both as root as 
well as a physical client, and  in both cases am having this issue.

So, any time that I try uploading anything, no matter what I seem to do, 
it's uploading around 8 K a second. I mean, just! absolutely! crawling! Now, 
get this, though. If I use a client on Windows, like say, Filezilla, or maybe 
my favorite, Flash FXP, then, I try transferring that same exact thing, I get 
about 300 to 400 K upstream a second consistently by uploading the exact same 
content even into the exact same remote folder.

I've again tried with both FTP, and with SFTP. I've tried with the Webdisk 
addon, as well as through the actual UI of Transmit itself, and get the same 
results both ways. Furthermore, I've also tried both with, and without passive 
mode, and neither seems to make any difference.

This is just the weirdest thing! You'd not think that one client would 
transfer more slowly than another, would you, if you're using the same exact 
settings from one client to another. Oh, and by the way, this isn't just! my 
CPanel server. This is happening on other private FTP sites I'm a part of, as 
well.

Chris.

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Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP

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Wooo! I never thought about that. Good point. I don't think I have the firewall 
turned on in OSX, but I'll take a look.
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  From: Erik Burggraaf 
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  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP


  This is just a guess, but Google for protocol filtering in Mac OS 10. It's 
possible that SFTP and FTP Protocols are being bandwidth throttled using the 
Mac OS 10 firewall

  Something similar could also be happening with the network interface.  

  Hope this helps, Erik.

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  On November 13, 2016 11:46:50 PM "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

OK, this one surely'll drive you crazy trying to figure out. I know it sure 
is me!

So, I am using the most up to date version of Transmit on my mac mini late 
2012, with El Capitan.

I have a whm/CPanel dedicated server which I'm using for my business.

I've tried logging in via both ftp as well as via SFTP, both as root as 
well as a physical client, and  in both cases am having this issue.

So, any time that I try uploading anything, no matter what I seem to do, 
it's uploading around 8 K a second. I mean, just! absolutely! crawling! Now, 
get this, though. If I use a client on Windows, like say, Filezilla, or maybe 
my favorite, Flash FXP, then, I try transferring that same exact thing, I get 
about 300 to 400 K upstream a second consistently by uploading the exact same 
content even into the exact same remote folder.

I've again tried with both FTP, and with SFTP. I've tried with the Webdisk 
addon, as well as through the actual UI of Transmit itself, and get the same 
results both ways. Furthermore, I've also tried both with, and without passive 
mode, and neither seems to make any difference.

This is just the weirdest thing! You'd not think that one client would 
transfer more slowly than another, would you, if you're using the same exact 
settings from one client to another. Oh, and by the way, this isn't just! my 
CPanel server. This is happening on other private FTP sites I'm a part of, as 
well.

Chris.

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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Aa, my apology then. I wasn't aware there was an older version of the Play5. 
Good to know. One question I have, and feel free to take this off list, 
being it's not mac related, but where's the line in jack located exactly on 
the new Play5? Also, where exactly on the back is the connect button? I ask 
as probably next month, I'm gonna get me one.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: A question about the Sonos


Hi Chris,

Great instructions,

Very well written,

Just one note though, the play 5 you describe here is the new one, the 
older one has a some what more rocker like play pause and vol up / down like 
the 1 and 3, they changed it last year for some reason,

Oh and increased the price,

But still great instructions.

SF

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Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.


2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.


3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.


4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which basically 
calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. This process is 
100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of them, and worked 
very very extensively with them, and though I cannot clame that it was me 
who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge part to do with it.
You also under here have settings for compression on or off, reducing 
loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are accessible.


As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.


On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker right 
there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front speaker 
grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch pannel, but 
don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you know where that 
print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line yourself up.
There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not context 
sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never ever ever 
change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On the right 
side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you can take your 
finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your finger up off the 
front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should glide right over the 
window on the area you need to touch. This sounds maybe a little tricky, but 
I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able in the Best Buy store to 
consistently get this to work the very first try. It's really really not 
hard once you know where that print label is, and no this little trick.


The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.


You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the speaker, 
just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the top of the 
unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not offset. It's 
actually dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the bar is a 
rocker button. The top part will turn it up with each press, and the bottom 
part turns it down. Just above this is a small square button. It's about the 
size of the pad of your finger. This is play/pause.


Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your 
power cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little 
button. This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your 
controller, you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the 

Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Simon, get with me off list. I'd be interested what issues you had with JFW 
and the controller app, as it actually works quite well.


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From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: RE: A question about the Sonos


Hi Kristine,

I'm not sure about the mac and sonos, I only really use my iPods or iPhone,
I did try the software with Jaws but found that painfully useless. May be 
I'll have to try sonos on my mac later this week sp,eto,e/


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes

Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

I have set it up just fine on my iPhone and all works beautifully. I 
discovered how all settings can be accessed. My question is, can the Sonos 
software on the Mac be accessed and used  with VO? It appears to me that it 
can not. It all appears to be images and nothing like on the I devices. I 
would very much like to use it from my Mac mini, but wondered if anyone has 
done this successfully, and if so, how?

On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Kristine,

Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
software on your device.


The software gives you two options,
A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi 
network.



It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the 
system.


Have you managed to do this as yet?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes

Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A question about the Sonos

I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added 
my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make 
it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them 
high.


Kristeen


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Really weird discovery with Transmit FTP

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, this one surely'll drive you crazy trying to figure out. I know it sure is 
me!

So, I am using the most up to date version of Transmit on my mac mini late 
2012, with El Capitan.

I have a whm/CPanel dedicated server which I'm using for my business.

I've tried logging in via both ftp as well as via SFTP, both as root as well as 
a physical client, and  in both cases am having this issue.

So, any time that I try uploading anything, no matter what I seem to do, it's 
uploading around 8 K a second. I mean, just! absolutely! crawling! Now, get 
this, though. If I use a client on Windows, like say, Filezilla, or maybe my 
favorite, Flash FXP, then, I try transferring that same exact thing, I get 
about 300 to 400 K upstream a second consistently by uploading the exact same 
content even into the exact same remote folder.

I've again tried with both FTP, and with SFTP. I've tried with the Webdisk 
addon, as well as through the actual UI of Transmit itself, and get the same 
results both ways. Furthermore, I've also tried both with, and without passive 
mode, and neither seems to make any difference.

This is just the weirdest thing! You'd not think that one client would transfer 
more slowly than another, would you, if you're using the same exact settings 
from one client to another. Oh, and by the way, this isn't just! my CPanel 
server. This is happening on other private FTP sites I'm a part of, as well.

Chris.

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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Cristine, congratulations first off on getting it working! Isn't that such a 
great feeling? And, the sound is un! freaking! beatable! and, that's coming 
from an audio engineer, so that's saying something! I still to this day, 
even just on my play 1's can't believe the sound!


Shruggs, you know... The short answer to your question about the mac version 
of the Sonos controller: yes, it can? be done, but, it's a royal pain in the 
ass. Excuse my language. Like you said, there are lots of images, and 
unlabeled buttons. I'm glad that this topic actually came up on the list, as 
I'd like to see you guys write Sonos and express your concerns about this. I 
don't get why they have made it work so well on Windows, iOS, and Android, 
but not OSX. It's definitely very annoying. Alas, the short answer is, yes, 
it can be done, but it's very much hit and miss until you learn what those 
controls are/do. Yeah, theoretically, you could look at the Windows version, 
learn the order of the controls, then move that over to the mac. The problem 
though is, I'm not sure if the controls in tab order on Windows are the same 
order as they appear in VO right and left arrow order on the mac. They 
probably are, but don't count on it. I'm a bit reluctant to tell you this is 
the absolute fact  case.


Some of the buttons have help tags with VO+Shift+H, but not many, 
admittedly. Now, what you could! do, provided someone could sit down with 
you who's sighted, is, you could! in theory, go through those controls and 
images, hit VO+Slash on them, and then label them, but that's really a 
headache, not to mention, not a very viable way to get this working, I'll 
totally agree with you there.


This is why I say, we really need to write Sonos and let them know our 
concerns about this. Trust me. These guys really do care about us, and 
accessibility. My guess is, not many blind people have expressed interest to 
them about making that platform of the app accessible. I agree, they should 
have done so anyway, but the bottom line is, like it or not, they didn't. 
So, we need to voice our opinions. One person, being myself, though I'm a 
tester, isn't going to make them do it. They need a high enough demand. So 
even if you don't have a Sonos system, might I encourage you all to write 
them anyway, and just express your concern in this matter. It really would 
help us users out tremendously!


They're on Twitter:

@Sonossupport

and Facebook.

There's also a contact link on the website, with a phone number, as well as 
a way to e-mail them.


Chris. 


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Re: A question about the Sonos

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You can do base/trebble, and even can do Trueplay®. Go see my previous 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


Yes.  Or, I should say, I haven't tried to adjust the base and treble on 
mine, but it's very easy to adjust the volume.



On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? 
The Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its 
controls.


Kristeen


On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Christine,

I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If 
you have an i-device, give that a try.

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but 
it seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have 
added my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to 
actually make it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and 
finding them high.


Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.


2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.


3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.


4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which basically 
calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. This process is 
100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of them, and worked 
very very extensively with them, and though I cannot clame that it was me 
who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge part to do with it. 
You also under here have settings for compression on or off, reducing 
loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are accessible.


As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.


On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker right 
there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front speaker 
grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch pannel, but 
don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you know where that 
print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line yourself up. 
There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not context 
sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never ever ever 
change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On the right 
side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you can take your 
finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your finger up off the 
front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should glide right over the 
window on the area you need to touch. This sounds maybe a little tricky, but 
I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able in the Best Buy store to 
consistently get this to work the very first try. It's really really not 
hard once you know where that print label is, and no this little trick.


The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.


You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the speaker, 
just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the top of the 
unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not offset. It's 
actually dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the bar is a 
rocker button. The top part will turn it up with each press, and the bottom 
part turns it down. Just above this is a small square button. It's about the 
size of the pad of your finger. This is play/pause.


Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your 
power cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little 
button. This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your 
controller, you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the button 
they're talking about.


On the Play1 and Play3, what you're gonna do is, you're gonna press the 
volume up, and the play/pause buttons at the same time, don't hold them in. 
Just press and release. You're not gonna hold the connect button either on 
the play5, just push and release, by the way. No holding necessary.  You 
should hear then a small little chime tone through the speaker, which will 
indicate you did it correctly, and the controller software should then 
progress automatically to the next step in the setup process.


One more thing. When a song is playing, on either the play1 or play 5, as 
well as the play 3, double pressing, or in the case of the play 5, tapping, 
the play pause button will advance to the next song, if anything is in the 
queue. The queue gets slightly more advanced, so I won't cover that here, 
but generally, doing this will get you to the next track.


On iOS, to turn up and down the volume, near the bottom of the screen, 
you'll find a button that says what is playing. Double tap on this to open 
the now playing screen. ON this screen, you'll find an adjuster which you 
can flick up and down on with one finger to raise/lower the volume.


HTH.

Chris.

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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You are in good hands, my friend! I use Sonos products so extensively, I'm 
literally a private beta tester. I can't really say much more than that 
however regarding that fact. However, in regards to your question, the Sonos 
app is not very speech friendly with voiceover on the Mac. This said, do you 
have an iOS device, or a Windows device? If so, you have two sollutions, 
both of which are 100% accessible.


First off, you can install the Sonos Controller iOS app. It is totally 
totally accessible! Secondly, you can go to:


http://www.sonos.com

and download the Windows PC version of the Sonos controller. Then, you'll 
also need to go to:


http://www.hartgen.org/sonos

and get the free JAWS scripts that Brian wrote for the controller. They're 
not required, but they'll definitely help tremendously.


Actually, you even have a 3rd option, come to think of it. You also can use 
the controller app through Android e with any of the screen readers over 
there like Talkback, Spiel, Shine, Voice Assist, etc. There might even be an 
app for the Kindle Fire, but not sure. If you have an Amazon Alexa Echo, you 
even can control the speakers with your voice.


You also may want to go to

http://www.mosen.org

Jonathan Mosen has written a book which is very very reasonably priced, and 
very very very worth it, which will explain every single aspect of the Sonos 
system. After reading the book cover to cover in one day, I was so freaking 
hooked/convinced, that I went that very day, practically begging! my 
grandmother to take me to Best Buy to pick up a set of Play1's. It was 
probably one of the best investments I've ever made!


Cristine, if you'd like to do so, this is my work number, but it rings at 
all hours of the day to my home office. I'll be here all tonight, and all 
tomorrow, so feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss this further via 
voice. I'd be tickled to death to help you with this! Again, this number 
already is very much public knowledge, so it's not like I'm giving out 
personal info on list. It's in my signature anyway, so it's not like people 
can't already get it.


You can call me at: 704-256-8010, Then choose option 1 from the IVR. If you 
don't get me, leave me a voicemail with a number, and I'll call you back. 
I'm on eastern time, and there is no time which is most convenient. Just 
call whenever.


Please don't return the speaker though. I cross my heart we can get you up 
and running! If you return, you'll definitely regret in the long run. Hell, 
I'd kill! for a set of play5's, but they weren't in my budget at the time.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Kristeen Hughes" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:10 PM
Subject: A question about the Sonos


I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.


Kristeen


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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You too have the same BD? Wow! Happy early BD then! Yeah, we seem to havwe a 
lot of Nov BD's. Mine's the 24th, and my best friend who's also on this list 
is the 20'th. Go figure.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper


I have the same birthday!😄, but my next iPhone has to wait to next 
payday!😄


Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Singing Sparrow  
wrote:


Happy Birthday to me, I am going to be getting an Iphone 7Plus Black 256 
gig with in three or four weeks.
Is there anything I should know about the Phone so that i am not surprised 
about it other then no headphone jack?

Also what color of Otterbox defender case should I go with for the phone?

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Re: Betternet VPN

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You've got a point. I think what concerned me is the way the app store 
description has things explained. That said, again, I restate, you do indeed 
make some valid points here.

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: Betternet VPN


Actually, the free version works quite well. It locates a server in the 
country where the company is and uses that server when accessing said 
website. It works well for Amazon Video which requires US location server. 
My advice is to try the free version first and see if it will give access to 
what you want. If not (NetFlix has several countries for example), then the 
paid subscription becomes necessary.


So, technically, the basic complete service is free, and it works decently 
well for a free VPN server. Also remember, that type of service has 
significant ongoing costs which they need to cover.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/11/2016, at 17:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Yeah, it looks like in my case, being I'm in the states, I would a gotten 
that country for free, but anything, including Canada, I'd have to pay to 
upgrade to premium. In the app store, it says the app is totally free, no 
registration, no credit card, etc.


So then, I kept flicking down, and it says offers in app purchases. I was 
like, wait, I thought they said above that it was free!


Needless to say, I'm not very impressed at the dev's marketing ethics with 
that. If it ain't free all around, then don't say it is.


I gave it a 1 star rating/review. Shruggs. Anyway, if it works for you, 
then that's what matters most. So, good luck with it. Not my cup o jo, 
but, I can't be made to please everyone. LOL!

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Betternet VPN


Hey Chris. When you first get it in the app store it's free. But in order 
to use a US VPN server, I had to pay $7 Canadian and that's a monthly 
subscription.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Shawn,

I'm actually more familiar with a service called "Hide my Ass," but that 
being said, I'm curious. Is there any cost for this app?

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Cc: "'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:53 PM
Subject: Betternet VPN


Hi guys. So tonight I was being adventurous and I downloaded an app 
called Betternet which is a VPN service. I wanted to explore the American 
iHeartRadio app because I heard that you can do more things with it that 
it has to offer that the Canadian app doesn't have such as making your 
own radio station and so on. So I'm now connected to a US VPN server but 
I have a few questions. Does anyone know how much cell data will be used 
if I choose to use it out and about? If it uses a lot, where can I change 
which apps use data? I went into cellular data in settings and I didn't 
see it in the list of apps that use cell data. Any help would be 
appreciated. I'm writing to both lists because I don't know if one or the 
other knows too much about VPN's. Thanks.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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Re: Betternet VPN

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, it looks like in my case, being I'm in the states, I would a gotten 
that country for free, but anything, including Canada, I'd have to pay to 
upgrade to premium. In the app store, it says the app is totally free, no 
registration, no credit card, etc.


So then, I kept flicking down, and it says offers in app purchases. I was 
like, wait, I thought they said above that it was free!


Needless to say, I'm not very impressed at the dev's marketing ethics with 
that. If it ain't free all around, then don't say it is.


I gave it a 1 star rating/review. Shruggs. Anyway, if it works for you, then 
that's what matters most. So, good luck with it. Not my cup o jo, but, I 
can't be made to please everyone. LOL!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Betternet VPN


Hey Chris. When you first get it in the app store it's free. But in order to 
use a US VPN server, I had to pay $7 Canadian and that's a monthly 
subscription.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Shawn,

I'm actually more familiar with a service called "Hide my Ass," but that 
being said, I'm curious. Is there any cost for this app?

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Cc: "'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:53 PM
Subject: Betternet VPN


Hi guys. So tonight I was being adventurous and I downloaded an app called 
Betternet which is a VPN service. I wanted to explore the American 
iHeartRadio app because I heard that you can do more things with it that 
it has to offer that the Canadian app doesn't have such as making your own 
radio station and so on. So I'm now connected to a US VPN server but I 
have a few questions. Does anyone know how much cell data will be used if 
I choose to use it out and about? If it uses a lot, where can I change 
which apps use data? I went into cellular data in settings and I didn't 
see it in the list of apps that use cell data. Any help would be 
appreciated. I'm writing to both lists because I don't know if one or the 
other knows too much about VPN's. Thanks.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

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Re: Betternet VPN

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Shawn,

I'm actually more familiar with a service called "Hide my Ass," but that 
being said, I'm curious. Is there any cost for this app?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Cc: "'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:53 PM
Subject: Betternet VPN


Hi guys. So tonight I was being adventurous and I downloaded an app called 
Betternet which is a VPN service. I wanted to explore the American 
iHeartRadio app because I heard that you can do more things with it that it 
has to offer that the Canadian app doesn't have such as making your own 
radio station and so on. So I'm now connected to a US VPN server but I have 
a few questions. Does anyone know how much cell data will be used if I 
choose to use it out and about? If it uses a lot, where can I change which 
apps use data? I went into cellular data in settings and I didn't see it in 
the list of apps that use cell data. Any help would be appreciated. I'm 
writing to both lists because I don't know if one or the other knows too 
much about VPN's. Thanks.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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Re: Peel the Apple or what ever it is called.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You wrote:

I hereby pledge to 
not post anything off-topic for at least a month no matter how provoked 
I feel. Anybody with me?


I'm in!

Chris.

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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And, in GS's defense, it's often also how I! too, have seen things. I love 
this list, but something's gotta give.

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- Original Message - 
From: "gs" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming


Ok, Tim, I'll make an exception as is apparently frequently made here. I'll 
respond again. I agree that I expressed frustration and emotion and that it 
wasn't simply a statement of fact. It's the facts as I see them.


On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I disagree.  There was not simply a statement of fact.  Read your own post 
to verify.  You expressed opinions on how you believe the List should be 
run.  You expressed emotion with respect to your frustration that the List 
wasn't being run in the manner you thought it should be.  These, again, are 
not facts, but opinions and the occasional attack on the actions, or lack of 
actions, of the Moderator.


Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 10, 2016, at 15:48, gs  wrote:

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by 
it or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple 
statements of facts.




On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate 
the list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve 
around lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have. 
Sorry but I won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not 
take his duties seriously on this list.

On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs  wrote:

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I 
really value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually 
get to with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented 
political opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean 
an increase in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of 
technical knowledge that will make a huge difference in the way I use an 
Apple product.


In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I 
would have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda 
in the thread.


Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem 
to be fulfilled on this list at this point.


There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create 
one myself.


Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in 
the subject.


If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. 
And as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right 
now. There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
relevant.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. 
The owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then 
cedes the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get 
it either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.



It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have 
junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Agreed.
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Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "gs" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming


Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by 
it or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple 
statements of facts.




On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate 
the list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve 
around lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have. 
Sorry but I won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not 
take his duties seriously on this list.

On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs  wrote:

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I 
really value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually 
get to with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented 
political opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean 
an increase in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of 
technical knowledge that will make a huge difference in the way I use an 
Apple product.


In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I 
would have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda 
in the thread.


Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem 
to be fulfilled on this list at this point.


There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create 
one myself.


Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in 
the subject.


If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. 
And as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right 
now. There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
relevant.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. 
The owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then 
cedes the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get 
it either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.



It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have 
junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs  wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day 
because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. 
If you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of 
it. This should have been addressed before and you need to remove 
people instead of making a generic announcement such as the one below.

On Nov 10, 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Kawell, we're not attacking him personally. Heck, we're not even attacking 
what he's doing. We're only stating that things could have been handled 
differently. We never said that Mr. Right was a bad boy.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming


It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate 
the list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve 
around lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have. 
Sorry but I won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not 
take his duties seriously on this list.

On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs  wrote:

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I 
really value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually 
get to with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented 
political opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean 
an increase in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of 
technical knowledge that will make a huge difference in the way I use an 
Apple product.


In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I 
would have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda 
in the thread.


Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem 
to be fulfilled on this list at this point.


There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create 
one myself.


Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in 
the subject.


If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. 
And as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right 
now. There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
relevant.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. 
The owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then 
cedes the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get 
it either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.



It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have 
junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.

Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs  wrote:

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day 
because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. 
If you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of 
it. This should have been addressed before and you need to remove 
people instead of making a generic announcement such as the one below.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now consider

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't going to contribute to this thread, but let me just throw in my two 
cents, then leave it alone after that point... There have been repeated issues 
on this list that I've addressed with Mark. I won't go into the specifics, but 
we'll just leave it to say it took about literally 7 or 8 offenses along with 
an equal amount of off list notes to him before he even sort a publicly 
addressed the matter.

What the matter is isn't important, nor anyone's specific business, but rest 
assured, it took a lot before I saw him finally react. Honestly, anymore, I'm 
not sure how to interpret his reaction. On the one hand I feel he took over, 
but on the other hand, I feel like it was kind of a, "Fine, I addressed it. 
Happy now?" approach. I'm not sure which it was, nor am I going to sit here and 
try speculating either way.

I do however agree that whoever started this initial thread which Mark has 
closed, thank you by the way, never should have occured on a list like this, 
and was totally irrelavent. As much as I hate to say it, I totally have to be 
on GS's side with this, and I unfortunately have to completely echo their 
opinion.  Mark's a great guy, and I truly think he cares, and I don't think 
it's so much he's too leniant, as much as I feel he says he's gonna do 
something, but then, like GS said, he then procrastinates it. I don't know his 
whole reasoning for that, maybe it's legit, maybe it's not. I don't know. I 
just know what I observe, and, what I up to this point have observed is someone 
who you bring a concern to, but then, they'll do anything and everything to not 
have to deal with it unless you sweet talk them, and even then, you may or may 
not get results. It's truly a gamble in a hat.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: gs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:32 PM
  Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming


  Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to with 
50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase in 
productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge that 
will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product. 


  In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would 
have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the 
thread.


  Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to 
be fulfilled on this list at this point. 


  There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
myself.


  Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
subject.


  If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.


  On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:


  Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very relevant.
  Joseph Hudson 
  Group administrator for the following
  groups
  chat
  http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
  blind apples
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

  blind square GPS
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

  blind handyman
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

  iPad help for the blind
  https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

  Email
  jhud7...@gmail.com
  I device support
  Telephone
  2543007667
  Skype
  joseph.hudson89
  facebook
  https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
  Twitter
  https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

  FaceTime/iMessage
  jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the 
running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. Just 
run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.


It's pathetic.





On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk 
like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
Joseph Hudson 
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/ch

Disregard my post about ITunes

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It looks like I'm OK. Thank God! I don't have the slightest clue what made it 
crash though couple a times, but I think we're good now, as it finally seemed 
to finnish what it was doing, and hasn't crashed yet.

Sorry about that, guys.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

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Uh oh! Uh, Folks? Houston? We might have a potential problem with ITunes.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yikes! This is not cool! I just imported a folder with about 2570 mp3's into my 
library. Now, it's trying to match things, as I do! have ITunes Match, and I 
guess, also upload whatever it can't find to my ICloud library.

Problem is, after about 10 minutes of doing so, ITunes now has crashed about 2 
times in a row. God I hope I didn't break it! Any suggestions? Should I 
pannick? Or, not quite yet.

Chris.

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Re: Pages: What's the best way to deal with this dilemma?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK. Thank you. That's very helpful.
---
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Training Instructor.

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Cohn 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Pages: What's the best way to deal with this dilemma?


  My memory of the status cells is a bit old, but I believe there is a way to 
indicate the text attribute of the current cell. 


  Also of use 


  vo-command-o Find font change 
  vo-command-p find plain text 
  vo-command-i find next italic text 
  vo-command-u find next underlined text 
  I don't believe there is a highlighted text option, but vo-HH would help you 
verify.


  Best wishes,

  Jonathan





On Nov 7, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:


Thank you, Phil! You know… I didn’t even think about looking in there. 
That’s a really excellent suggestion! I wonder if we somehow can get my braille 
display to indicate what tet is highlighted, maybe by using dots 7 and 8 or 
something. I’m not talking about it showing the VO cursor; I know you can do 
that. I really need to play with the status cells and see what they can do for 
me. Right now, I’ve got them shut off, but that may not be such a smart move, 
in the long run.


Chris.

  On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


  I believe that feature is also available from the voiceover quick 
settings. vo plus command plus arrowing to attributes, and then up or down 
arrow to speak changes or something like that.


  Sent from my IPhone



  On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Chris, 
I wonder if it might work to change the “when text attributes change” 
option in the text tab in VoiceOver verbosity settings. This should allow 
VoiceOver to speak the attributes that change as you read them.
HTH,
Aleeha 

  On Nov 7, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  So, a friend of mine sent me a Microsoft Word d o c x document via 
e-mail which contains a list of certain items. For confidentiality reasons, I 
won't go into the specifics of the document, but within this list, certain 
items have been highlighted in yellow. My friend wasn't the creator of this 
document, and the intity who was does not wish to edit the document to make 
that aspect more user blind friendly. I know. totally stupid, but, whatever.

  Anyway, I know about hitting VO+T to get the font and text 
attributes, which I think should tell me if something's highlighted, but I'm 
curious if there is a way I somehow could get Voiceover automatically to tell 
me which lines in the document have been highlighted vs. which ones are not.  
This way, I don't have to constantly on each item keep hitting VO+T and 
querying things by hand.

  Any suggestions, guys?

  Chris.


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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

100 million percent agreed.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Get out there and vote everyone!


  I'm not a mod, but I'd just like to ask that this conversation, on the list 
at least, stops here. It has nothing to do with why we're all here, and 
tentions are so high about these issues that further discussion almost 
certainly won't end well. So please consider stopping this before it can get 
started. Thanks for reading.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:24, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:


Hi Kawal,
Sorry to break the news to you but!!!


Heres just some of the fraud going on.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/florida-elections-worker-alleges/2016/11/04/id/757191/?dkt_nbr=6jsibzbj


BTW this is 5 miles away from my house and I know this took place last week!
Read it for your selves!
Then give a call over to;
broward county supervisor of elections = Brenda snipes 954-357-7050 or 
lauderhill #954-712-1903
And ask them about it?


I hope   that most of the vote fraud by the progressives will be exposed 
"Big League"! :)
Like Scott said many people have paid with there Lives!  for Our freedom to 
vote so get out there and vote and over come the fraud taking place!
Chuck


On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


  If trump does not get his way he'll say the election was rigged and if he 
does not accept the vote, where then for America?

On 8 Nov 2016, at 15:34, CHUCK REICHEL 
 wrote:



Hi Scott,

I agree!

extra size your rite to Vote!

Many people died to keep us free!

Yes my Dad shed his "blood" fighting the socialist in germany to assure 
us this basic freedom here in the USA

GOD Bless the USA! :)

the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Chuck





On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:



  For our friends in the US,

  Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way.  
Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / 
candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t 
already.

  Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft 
has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has the means to 
arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to your closest polls.  
the parties are offering rides and volunteer services as well.

  Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today to 
voters.  Keep that “I voted” sticker and Krispy Cream will give you a free 
donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving free coffee, and many small 
businesses are having election day promotions that include discounts or out 
right freebies.

  Remember that many service men and women have fought and died for 
your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we take advantage 
of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our right to vote.  Now get out 
there and be safe everyone.



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Re: Here's an interesting question for all iOS users

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, Tim, no offense taken whatsoever. You actually make some 
incredibly valid points, and you're right. I admit, I didn't even think 
about those things.

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From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Here's an interesting question for all iOS users


Hi,

A couple of things to consider.  We often look at the world from our own 
prospective, and forget that there are numerous other scenarios.


1.  Cell signals and Internet access in the US and many other countries is 
quite common and fairly robust, especially in larger centres.  consider 
though rural and more remote locales though.  On the 5 hour drive from Fort 
McMurray to the nearest city, we encounter numerous dead zones.  The towns, 
if you can call them that, do have Internet, but nothing like the cities. 
Many of the farmers still need to use dial up or cell data plans to have 
Internet access, if they can even get a quality cell signal.  There are many 
countries or areas around the world that have a much different Internet 
infrastructure than what many of us are accustomed to.


2.  Internet data charges vary considerably from country to country making 
it important to think economically with respect to data use.  Connecting to 
your computer therefore saves both data usage and money when transferring 
between devices.  Yes, there are WiFi solutions of transferring between 
devices, but they tend to be less reliable than the USB wired solutions at 
this point.


3.  Transferring large files like HD movies is considerably faster through 
USB than it is over the air, so time considerations are also a factor.


I'm mostly just saying that we need to consider outside our own bubble, the 
world is a different beast.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 7, 2016, at 20:46, Scott Granados  wrote:

Not really, the cloud design at Apple is quite sound.

The only time I use the backup feature and hard wire is for an encrypted 
backup if I’m going to erase the phone which I haven’t had to do for years. 
Also the first time configuration for enabling WiFi sync.  Other than that 
absolutely 100% cloud based.



On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 What is a cloud but vapor anyway? Given the right conditions, that can 
translate to Poof!


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On 11/7/2016 3:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Again, I know there are those times like you say, an incrypted backup,
etc. when USB would be necessary. I wasn't saying throw the baby totally
out with the bathwater. I more just meant is it something where most
things, you really don't need to plug it in via USB anymore.
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  - Original Message -
  *From:* michael babcock <mailto:michael.babcoc...@gmail.com>
  *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 6:14 PM
  *Subject:* Re: Here's an interesting question for all iOS users

  Secure encrypted backups
  e.g. if you don’t want to have to enter your passwords into apps again.
  correct me if i’m wrong, however iCloud backups aren’t keeping all
  passwords where as a local backup can.
  also, what happens if iCloud was hacked, or unavailable, or is
  something apple wanted to shut down.
  :)
  I personally keep local copies  of my backups just in case.
  once per week.
  hth


  On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
  mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Let me start by saying two things:

  1. I realize entirely that my question is very subjective.

  2. I further understand that there really is no right or wrong
  answer to this. I'm asking more just out of curiosity.

  So, here tgos.

  So... now adays with so much stuff regarding Apple happening in
  the cloud, I often ask myself: is there really much reason now
  adays to sync your iOS device with ITunes on the mac? How many of
  you really don't connect your phone to the mac unless it's
  absolutely necessary?

  I mean, think about it like this. You get a wallblock charger with
  all new iPhones, (key word, new,) as well as iPads. OK, for iPods,
  I could see it, as I don't think, unless things have changed which
  is highly probabal, they came with the apple block transformer.
  But either way, there really isn't much need anymore with Apple
  Music to sync music across your device, as music can automatically
  come down to your device anyway over the ICloud Music library, and
  even if you don't! have Apple Music, you still have the ICloud
  music library, so if it