Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

[Eric Oyen]

I wish the same worked better for gmail. Like you, I faced a large incursion of 
junk mail in my iCloud account. Your solution is one of several. Another good 
one involves the use of rules on your mail client (in my case, the mail app 
client found in OS X/XI/XII, etc). So far, it is proving to be a possible 
workable solution. And yes, when you see over 1k spams in the spam folder on 
gmail, you need all the help you can get.

-Eric


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:15 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
> 
> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that.  
> When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of a 
> few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
> 
> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do about 
> excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would benefit as 
> well.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Facebook Messenger on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

It’s the Facebook messenger app that is the problem. Time for all of us to 
start reviewing them on the App Store and marking as 1 star, and then place a 
bug report in the review edit box along with the statement “not recommended for 
blind VoiceOver users until the problem is fixed”. This will get facebook’s 
attention a lot faster than contacting them via their apps.

-eric


> On Sep 26, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Minh Ha  wrote:
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> It's the Messenger app and the latest update. I was having this issue on iOS 
> 16.6 starting a few weeks ago, and it's still happening with iOS 17. FB will 
> periodically break Messenger in their updates. The only advice I can give is 
> to contact FB Accessibility. They might or might not do anything about it. 
> Minh Ha
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 12:39 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> On my iPhone 3rd gen SE running iOS 16.6.1, whenever I go into Facebook 
>> messenger and try to send a message, VO is going back several screens and 
>> speaks their content entirely, rather than just what I sent, or the replies 
>> I receive. Also, on my Braille display, messages are displayed with the 
>> first and last cell containing all 8 dots.  I’ve noticed this for a while 
>> now, and I’m wondering if possibly there might be something funny going on 
>> with iOS 16.6, or maybe 16.5? A key to the answer may have to do with the 
>> fact that I can’t remember what the presence of these 8-dot cells at each 
>> end of the display means when VO is speaking. Also, I don’t have this issue 
>> when running messenger on an older iPhone running the latest iOS 15 version. 
>> If anyone else uses FB Messenger, have you noticed this behavior, and if so 
>> is there a workaround? I so appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Looting Apple Stores is Pointless, as these people quickly found out, iMore

[Eric Oyen]

Your link threw up an error 404.

-Eric


> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:46 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Looting Apple Stores is pointless, as these people quickly found out
> By iMore
> published about 2 hours ago 
> 
> People have been stealing things from Apple Stores for as long as Apple
> Stores have been a thing, but something a ton of people seemingly aren't
> aware of is that it's entirely pointless. They can't possibly know, because
> they keep on doing it.
> 
> The latest example came after people looted the Apple Walnut Street store in
> Philadelphia, taking iPhone 15 handsets and more as they went. The problem
> is, and as some soon found out, stealing an iPhone and other products from
> Apple does little more than put a warrant on your head.
> 
> And the iPhone won't even work anyway.
> 
> Don't steal, folks
> You've probably already seen the news stories of looters breaking into
> stores yesterday, including an Apple Store. There were even people
> live-streaming the entire thing on TikTok which probably wasn't the greatest
> of ideas. But all of that aside, we saw something else, people finding out
> that iPhones shut down the minute they leave the Apple Store they were just
> stolen from. And it gets worse.
> 
> As some on X have already pointed out, iPhones stolen in this manner don't
> just politely ask you to take them back to where they came from, they do, do
> that as well, but they also start to record their surroundings. You'll note
> the little green light in the image below.
> 
> The result? Stealing an iPhone probably puts your face on camera.
> Notably, the green status light means that they are being filmed 
> 
> So there we have it. As if stealing an iPhone wasn't already a bad idea, you
> probably just made it double-easy for the police to identify you.
> 
> Oh, and there's more. Each iPhone can be tracked as well, so you might be
> leading police to your door. Stolen iPhones display on-screen messages that
> read "The device has been disabled and is being tracked. Local authorities
> will be alerted."
> 
> So, yeah. Don't steal iPhones. Or anything else for that matter.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.imore.com/iphone/iphone-15/looting-apple-stores-is-pointless-as-
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Re: What does Selection Replaced Mean

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Usually, it means that VoiceOver read the change from an autofill dialog on 
those edit boxes. I get this a lot when typing in an address, typically 3 
characters and it will autofill and tell me selection has been replaced. 99 
times out of 100, this works very well.

-Eric


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> Hi, Group.
> When I am in the address bar in Safari or in ‘To Field’ in Mail and type a 
> few letters, , VoiceOver says ‘selection replaced’, does it mean that 
> VoiceOver gets rid off what I typed and replaces it with something else, or 
> it means something different?
> Thanks!
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

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At this point, Mastodon is looking like a viable alternative. Been posting via 
the twitter site as responses to many of my followers tweets to cross post and 
follow on mastodon. And yes, twitter apparently shut down the 3rd party app API 
on Thursday 2023-01-12 without announcement or comment. They have also not 
responded to queries from much of the tech media outlets and Elon Musk has been 
silent on this point. He comments about everything else but has made absolutely 
no comment or responses on any directed tweets on this subject sent his way.

Now, three possibilities present themselves on this:
1. Twitter shut down the API in order to perform system upgrades
2. Something was broken and they are working on it
3. A cuckoo’s egg was triggered on the part of a former disgruntled employee 
which shut down the API

Now, a 4th possibility presents itself as twitter shutting down the API in 
order to force people to use officially supported clients. If this last is the 
case, then no matter how much Elon touts his platform as free speech, it won’t 
be because many of us can’t, or won’t, use the official clients for whatever 
reason.

Now, I have maintained a profile on mastodon since almost day one and because 
of this event, I am encouraging anyone on twitter that sees my posts to 
trasition over to there as a backup until twitter gets it’s act together.

Now, I suspect that Elon Musk will probably get a rather rude education on why 
it isn’t a good idea to mess with people on the platform.

-Eric


> On Jan 14, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
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> Thanks, I appreciate the information everyone. It does seem very deliberate 
> on Twitter’s part and if they do end up disabling all third party apps like 
> this permanently, it might be what pushes me over the edge to just stop using 
> Twitter. I’ve been thinking about it for a while anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> THe issue is that quite a few third party twitter clients are experiencing 
>> this right now. Its not just night owl. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to 
>>> reauthenticate Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t 
>>> actually load, and it constantly plays the error sound again and again and 
>>> again. I’m unable to do anything else.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having this problem?
>>> 
>>> Brandon
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Re: Changing .pls file to open in vlc

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CMD+I then scroll down to open with picker item and choose VLC as default and 
then check the checkbox for open all with this app.

-Eric


> On Jan 16, 2023, at 8:26 AM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
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> Hi all!
> 
> I’m sure it’s a little thing, but could someone please help!
> 
> .pls files open in music on my Mac, and I want them to open in VLC, can 
> someone help me from having to press vo+shift+M, then selecting Open with, 
> then vlc.
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

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You know what? You aren’t the only one.

Mine stopped working while still online and then when I went to restart it, it 
got caught in an authentication loop that even my sighted roomie can’t get 
around. I have tried contacting the developers and even posted a screen capture 
video to their twitter accounts (on the main timeline) and so far, no response.

I really need this client for some of the work I am doing for my work as a 
researcher in health news. Without it, I am stuck either using the website 
(which is slow and cumbersome) or one of the other twitter clients. Btw, 
TweetDesk no longer is supported under Mac. Been trying some of the others on 
the Mac app store and, so far, accessibility has been mostly a miss.

One item, I suspect that twitter changed something in their API and it broke 
NightOwl.

-Eric


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> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to reauthenticate 
> Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t actually load, and it 
> constantly plays the error sound again and again and again. I’m unable to do 
> anything else.
> 
> Is anyone else having this problem?
> 
> Brandon
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Re: Attaching Contiguous Files to Email Message

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I’ve found that simply doing a copy and paste works quite well. Just select the 
items you want, hit the cmd+C and then go to your mail client and hit cmd+v 
inside the message composition window. No muss, no fuss.

-Eric


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> Hi, Group.
> I am trying to attach two Contiguous files to an email message.
> I press command-shift-a and found the folder where those files are. I, 
> however, don’t know how to attach file #3&4 to this email message.
> Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Eric Oyen]

I wish I could, but I am in the middle of a marketing project that takes most 
of my time. I am fairly certain there are qualified folks on here. There was an 
ad on the blind ads list earlier where someone offered services to help 
remotely setup and install windows (including screen reader support). Might 
want to check over there.

-Eric


> On Dec 2, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need whoever is 
> willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no idea how to even 
> get this started, have never done this before, so I’m going to need some 
> guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back and forth e-mail’s, or 
> exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as one of us is able; I’m open 
> to any of these.
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
>> anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install 
>> NVDA or JAWS  inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully 
>> accessible. Btw, I don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system 
>> accessibility only, hence my suggestions for superior screen readers.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss >> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
>>> finish my training materials through dhs.org <http://dhs.org/>, which has 
>>> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools 
>>> they provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My 
>>> supervisor told me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to 
>>> install Windows on, as opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it 
>>> was usable with Voiceover.  Can anyone with experience with either/or 
>>> please give me some tips on how to run them?
>>>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
>>> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

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VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do anything 
once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install NVDA or JAWS 
 inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully accessible. Btw, I 
don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system accessibility only, hence my 
suggestions for superior screen readers.

-Eric


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they 
> provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My supervisor told 
> me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows on, as 
> opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it was usable with Voiceover. 
>  Can anyone with experience with either/or please give me some tips on how to 
> run them?
>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: Question about update

[Eric Oyen]

I have a 2012 Mac mini on Catalina. Can you email me so that we can discuss how 
to upgrade? My contact is eric.o...@gmail.com

thanks.


> On Nov 27, 2022, at 10:31 PM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi. I know this thread ended a few days ago, but I just wanted to add that 
> 2017 MacBook Air models can't be upgraded to Ventura natively. I say natively 
> because it can still be done. There are just a lot of steps involved and 
> Apple frowns upon it. I won't say how you do it on here but if you're 
> adventurous and want to upgrade your old Mac, write to me off list.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I can still use Catalina on my older Mac, so you will definitely be fine 
>> with Monterey!
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2022, at 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, it just means your Mac has reached the 7 year cycle for new upgrades. 
>>> You can still use it as always.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/24/2022 7:31 AM, Rena wrote:
 Does it mean this is the end of my Mac?
 Rena
 *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
 *On Behalf Of *Brad Snyder
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2022 10:16 AM
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Question about update
 Macs older than 2017 models, cannot update to macOS Ventura.
 - Brad -
  On Nov 24, 2022, at 09:12, Rena >>>  > wrote:
  I bought it in 2015. I have Monterey. I always do the update without
  any problem, but this time everything is different.
  Rena
  *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
  >>>  > *On Behalf Of *Herbie Allen
  *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2022 11:37 AM
  *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
  *Subject:* Re: Question about update
  What year is your model?
  On Nov 23, 2022, at 10:19, Rena >>>  > wrote:
  Hello,
  I’m trying to update my book air, but this time something is
  different and I don’t know what to do.
  I click on about this mac and Software update button.
  There I find bac, forward, show all menu button and search field.
  Please, tell me what to do.
  Rena
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Re: External Drive for Mac?

[Eric Oyen]

There shouldn’t be much difference between any of the external drives, although 
some marketed specifically for apple users might have some hardware 
optimizations (unsure on this, so don’t quote me on it). Now, most externals 
work with USB and often work best with USB 3.0. There are some with the 
Thunderbolt 2.x or 3.x capability and those are definitely faster on transfer 
than any of the USB stuff.

In the end, it comes down to 3 choices: capacity, compatibility and price.

-Eric


> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I am looking for an external drive for Mac. May I know whether the external 
> drive for Mac is different from that of for Windows, or it doesn't matter?
> Your help/recommendations are highly appreciated.
> Thanks!
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Re: I have just discovered that I can launch VoiceOver in safe mode using Apple Silicon

[Eric Oyen]

Ok,, this might work for previous versions. Did you do the usual cmd+F5 or 
something else?

-Eric


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> hey all,
> I'm sure I'm not the 1st to have discovered this but I had to go into safe 
> mode to check something and after following the instructions to get into safe 
> mode, I decided to try and start VoiceOver and amazingly, it worked.
> I remember the days on the Intel systems when sometimes even external sound 
> cards would not be detected in safe mode and that most people were using 
> braille displays to get things done.
> You can certainly tell you are in safe mode because at the login screen, it 
> will say safe boot at the top.
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Re: Creating Screen Recordings on Mac

[Eric Oyen]

I use QuickTime player myself. In some ways, its a bit faster than trying to go 
through the built-in routines. It does not, however, allow one to select a 
single app only, so maximizing the app and moving it to the front is a big help.

Didn’t know about the package called loopback. Hopefully, they have a Catalina 
supported version (I can’t upgrade any further unless I have $500 or more to 
upgrade my Mac mini to one of the M1/M2 based units).

-Eric


> On Aug 4, 2022, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Good idea going with full screen. 
> 
>  Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Brandon Olivares > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. No I only need my microphone 
>> recorded.
>> 
>> Should I put the window into full screen mode to make sure nothing 
>> superfluous is being recorded? I'd rather not have other application windows 
>> showing up in the recording if I can help it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:03 PM, Matthew Whitaker 
>>> mailto:matthew.whitaker2...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I would make it so it records the entire screen. That way you know 
>>> everything is being recorded. Once selected, go into the options and you 
>>> can choose your sound input and output device. If you would like to get 
>>> more than one source captured as far as audio goes, there are different 
>>> ways of getting that done… one of those things is using a software called 
>>> Loop Back.
>>> Rogue Amoeba | Loopback: Cable-Free Audio Routing 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Brandon Olivares >>> > wrote:
 
 Hey everyone,
 
 I'm trying to figure out how to perform screen recordings on the Mac. I 
 know cmd+shift+5 brings up the options but I'm not sure how to configure 
 it. I need to do a recording in Chrome, with audio enabled.
 
 I'm not sure whether to select to record the whole screen, or how I can 
 just select to record the Chrome window. I selected “record selected 
 portion of screen” but couldn't see how to select anything.
 
 Any tips would be appreciated. I'm trying to create a YouTube video 
 demonstrating how to use something. If there's a better way I should be 
 going about this, please let me know.
 
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

Thanks,
That was the other one I was trying to remember. Installed it via brew since 
the macports version of it appeared broken.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> There is an app called Youtube-dl.  You can install this through Home-brew in 
> the Terminal.  It is pretty easy to use, but it is a command line tool, so 
> you will need to be comfortable with Terminal.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Could you use Audio Hijac for that purpose.
>> It might take some time but I guess that could work.
>> Or maybe VLC which can grab from the internet.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 17:23 skrev Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric, there was a time, back when I actually worked with computers for a 
>>> living, that I would’ve been very interested in doing that. Now though, I’m 
>>> like the car mechanic who quit the profession, forgot most of what he knew, 
>>> and just wants to drive the damn things.  Thanks anyway
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>>>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>>>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>>>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and 
>>>>>> then use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this 
>>>>>> downloading audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of 
>>>>>>> downloading YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only 
>>>>>>> makes it available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t 
>>>>>>> actually manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is 
>>>>>>> to get the audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for 
>>>>>>> YouTube are there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily 
>>>>>>> use iOS, but I can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

You could, but then you start running into complications. Btw, VLC won’t 
capture from a YouTube stream. I know, I tried.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Can’t you do stream it via vlc and do some capturing at the same time?
> /A
> 
>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 15:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>> 
>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>>>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>>>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>>>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>> 
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

hehehe. I’ve been in computers since the Altair’s kit computer of the mid 70’s. 
I haven’t stopped and am unlikely to right up to the point when they pry my 
keyboard out of my cold dead hands. :)

I’ve managed to keep up with the technology, but some days I still scratch my 
head wondering how many people even manage to use what they got now. Hardly 
anyone learns about what happens under the hood anymore and simply becomes an 
appliance user. Meh, what the hell, I’m an old hacker and probably always will 
be one.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric, there was a time, back when I actually worked with computers for a 
> living, that I would’ve been very interested in doing that. Now though, I’m 
> like the car mechanic who quit the profession, forgot most of what he knew, 
> and just wants to drive the damn things.  Thanks anyway
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>>>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>>>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>>>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>> 
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then open 
for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate and 
choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow you to 
choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.

Hope that helps.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
> /A
> 
>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>> 
>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

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Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then use 
ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.

-Eric


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> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually manipulate 
> the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the audio of certain 
> videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are there still? Is there 
> a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I can use the Mac as well. 
> Any help appreciated 
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Re: basic finder question

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Actually, I open up terminal and then cd to the folder I want. In there, I 
issue the command: mv file1 /path/to/folder/ and hit the enter key. It’s easy 
peasy.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
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> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
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Re: Password generation and security app

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If you are willing to install the macports app and the associated command line 
tools, you can install the macport version called PWGEN. It’s a very nice and 
simple command line tool. You can generate random passwords of random length, 
choose a length, types of characters and. The like. I have used it in 
conjunction with a pipe to a text file to create a large number of passwords. I 
did figure out that I could create the ultimate rainbow file using it, the only 
issue being I would need a petabyte of storage to hold it. Yeah, that’s every 
password string from 4 characters to 40 (including spaces and punctuation).

Anyway, that’s my $0.02 worth.

-Eric


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> Hi everyone,
> I am looking for an app that will generate passwords and keep them secure. 
> Something like one password. However, I want the app to work on both Mac and 
> windows environments. Does anyone know of such an app? It also needs to be 
> accessible.
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Re: strange behavior on my Mac

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Not sure that a new machine would be any better. I am debating on whether or 
not to upgrade the current OS (Catalina) to the next in line. That might take 
care of the Kernel crash issues.

-Eric


> On Dec 28, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> does it matter what os you're running? I suppose I need a new computer.
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 1:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> I have had this several times since 2 updates back. It appears to be a 
>> kernel crash bug of some sort. I also have a 2012 late model Mac mini. This 
>> may be a problem in the kernel specifically or an external trigger. One 
>> thing I noted in the system logs was that logging would cease about 30 
>> minutes before the crash, which means that other system services were being 
>> impacted before the final crash.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
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>>> dead in the middle of doing something. today I was playing an audio file in 
>>> a folder on my Mac when it just stopped. at first I thought the file had 
>>> ended but I couldn't get a response out of my Mac no matter what I did. it 
>>> was still running but was completely unresponsive to anything I tried to do 
>>> using the trackpad and/or the keyboard. I had to push the button to turn it 
>>> off and then later restart it. what might be going on here? suggestions 
>>> please.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: strange behavior on my Mac

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I have had this several times since 2 updates back. It appears to be a kernel 
crash bug of some sort. I also have a 2012 late model Mac mini. This may be a 
problem in the kernel specifically or an external trigger. One thing I noted in 
the system logs was that logging would cease about 30 minutes before the crash, 
which means that other system services were being impacted before the final 
crash.

-Eric


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> I've got a late 2014 Mac Mini running Catalina. twice now it has just gone 
> dead in the middle of doing something. today I was playing an audio file in a 
> folder on my Mac when it just stopped. at first I thought the file had ended 
> but I couldn't get a response out of my Mac no matter what I did. it was 
> still running but was completely unresponsive to anything I tried to do using 
> the trackpad and/or the keyboard. I had to push the button to turn it off and 
> then later restart it. what might be going on here? suggestions please.
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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yeah. I get that on some sites as well using safari. Part of it is probably 
improper web code or use of non-standard html tags. Btw, have you tried edge on 
the gmail website set in basic html mode? If the problem shows up there, then 
it’s likely edge that’s the problem. Then again, Microsoft was never very good 
at producing accessible products that worked on platforms other than their 
flagship OS.

-Eric


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> Eric,
> Thanks for the suggestions. My problem with MS-Edge is that I can’t navigate 
> tables at all. When one shows up all I hear is the Table with x rows and y 
> columns. 
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> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Eric Oyen  <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Google chrome seems to work ok, although it doesn’t poll the keychain access 
> file for passwords (it tries to store them internally). On sites where some 
> of the elements aren’t workable in safari, chrome might work (although this 
> is hit or miss a lot of the time).
> 
> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
> render some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
> 
> -Eric
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>> chatty it is when filling in logon and passwords. What other browsers are 
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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Hmmm, that’s news to me. The last time I tried Firefox on OS X Catalina it 
turned out be very frustrating. Are there any settings I should be aware of to 
make it easier to use?

Thanks,

-Eric


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> On 11/12/21 15:29, Eric Oyen wrote:
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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Google chrome seems to work ok, although it doesn’t poll the keychain access 
file for passwords (it tries to store them internally). On sites where some of 
the elements aren’t workable in safari, chrome might work (although this is hit 
or miss a lot of the time).

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some sites in a way the screen reader understands).

-Eric


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Emails from this list ending up in gmail spam folder repeatedly

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Hello List owners,

Lately, I have been seeing an increasing number of listers emails from this 
list showing up in gmail’s spam folder. I check those items and mark them as 
not spam. I have been doing so repeatedly for the last 3 months or so and gmail 
still insists that they are spam. Is there any way you can get hold of google 
from your administration interface and appraise them of the problem? They don’t 
appear to be paying any attention to us end users.

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Re: Encryption which works on both Mac and iPhone

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Actually, an app like that would certainly be handy. There is an app on the App 
Store called crypto disks and files explorer. Not sure if there is the same for 
OS X. This was just one of the things I found when I did a search for “file 
encryption” via my iPhone.

-Eric


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> Hello,
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly encryption program which will let you 
> encrypt or decrypt a file or a folder on both Mac and iPhone? I want to store 
> some sensitive data in iCloud drive which I can encrypt on Mac and decrypt on 
> IOS or vice versa.  My iCloud drive will contain both ordinary non-sensitive 
> data and also the occasional sensitive data which should be protected by a 
> password which you must enter to either encrypt or decrypt.
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Can't seem to enter verification code for 2fa

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Ok,
I recently needed to setup 2FA and include my Mac mini so that I can synch data 
across both devices. The problem comes when trying to enter the verification 
code sent to my iPhone. A similar dialog shows up on my Mac mini asking for 
that code. I try to enter it, but it appears that the edit box adds an extra 
invisible character on me thus making it appear that I entered 7 characters and 
not 6. This causes the authentication to fail. Is there a way around this?

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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

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Well, considering the cost, wouldn’t it be better to have a two tiered setup 
here?

Pro tools is great if you are in the professional audio editing and production 
field, but many of us don’t have that kind of cash laying around. How about a 
basic version that gives us some basic functions (like editing, clipping, 
joining and perhaps single type cross fading between joined clips?. Sell it for 
$19 on a yearly subscription and have an option to upgrade to pro built in. I 
have some forensics software that I purchased on this model for drive recovery 
and imaging. The basic was $59 and gave me what I needed. Now, if I were to 
upgrade to the enterprise version, that would be $500 annually. Unless I am in 
a professional environment needing that level of access, I don’t consider it 
worth the investment. Btw, that package is called disk drill (a combo drive 
recovery and forensics package).

In the case of audio tools, there are quite a few out there. Some are 
accessible and some are not. There is also the macports tree with a lot of 
command line tools that can accomplish a great deal (I know, it’s how I have 
recoded my entire video library to be able to play on any device). With those 
command line tools, I can also transcode one format to another (MP3’s are nice, 
but lossy and my ears can tell).

Anyway, hopefully you find my suggestion workable.

-Eric


> On Aug 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> The short answer is Avid Pro Tools.
> I’ve been editing audio with it for many years now and its straight forward 
> but does cost a bit.
> Our Avid beta teem is constantly working to keep accessibility in the 
> forefront for Pro Tools! :)
> 
> Talk soon
> Chuck
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> 
>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Amadeus Pro is a great app. A bit querky perhaps, but once you start 
>> practicing, you get used to how it works.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No I don't think so.
>>> I haven’t found any.
>>> /A
>>> 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 16:10 skrev Frank Ventura >>> >:
 
 I would be interested in Twistedwave, are there any tutorials for it?
  
 thanks
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:07 AM
 To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover
  
 Hi!
 There is Amadeus Pro but its not very easy to use but works very well.
 Jonathan Mosen has made a daisy book on how to use the Amadeus Pro.
 There is also twisted wave which also is available for iOS.
 I was going to learn it but there has been so much things in the way.
 /A
 
 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 04:40 skrev Frank Ventura >>> >:
  
 Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for the 
 Mac that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also be 
 appreciated. Thanks
  
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm. Ok, that was something I wasn’t aware of. I have an older model white 
book that uses OS X Lion. Since that’s my goto multimedia machine, that is the 
version I tend to use (I think it was last updated to 1.5.3 and that was as far 
as it went). It might be time to test later versions on my Catalina based Mac 
mini here and see what’s up.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

-Eric


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> Eric, I must be looking in the wrong place as what I found for Audacity 
> suggests that versions after 2.0 have voiceover accessibility issues. What 
> version should I be looking for?
>  
> thanks
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:47 AM
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> Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover
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> Check out audacity. It’s not just a mixer app. You can use it to edit and 
> change audio files. The site that hosts it has extensive tutorials.
>  
> -Eric
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

Check out audacity. It’s not just a mixer app. You can use it to edit and 
change audio files. The site that hosts it has extensive tutorials.

-Eric


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Re: App for Testing Read/Write speed of Hard drives?

[Eric Oyen]

There may be one. However, I use DD with the bs option (block size). A script 
can be created easily enough in terminal to run it several times and then give 
the results each time. You will know when you pass the max file transfer 
efficiency hump when numbers start heading back downward. I will have to do a 
bit of looking to see how to create a script to do this.

In any case, there are tools for determining best transfer speed of a device 
given a few known parameters.

-Eric


> On Aug 6, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
> is there and app for this?
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Well, an encrypted disk image is exactly that. It behaves exactly like a real 
disk in all aspects, save one: it’s a file with a filesystem inside it. Now, a 
VM is entirely different. We are talking about a virtual machine environment 
here. It will have a CPU, video, and all the other devices of a traditional 
machine, only emulated in software. And yeah, a VM can use virtual disks (as 
described here). So, that is the difference: one is a virtual machine complete 
with all the parts, and the other is a filesystem inside a container file.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:51 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I imagine creating an encrypted disk is like creating a VM
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:41 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Actually,
> Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.
> 
> You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
> credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, 
> close and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once 
> there, if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it 
> as a local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this 
> should work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
>> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
>> Sounds a little less intimidating.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
>> To: [MacVisionaries] 
>> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
>> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
>> sensitive.
>> 
>> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
>> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
>> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
>> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
>> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good 
>>> idea, if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, 
>>> just in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is 
>>> not otherwise encrypted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu 
>>>> Privacy Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a 
>>>> public and private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag 
>>>> attached to let you know what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, 
>>>> you can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>>>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>>>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
>>>> documents.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
>>>>> will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this 
>>>>> data on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good 
>>>>> way to password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look 
>>>>> forward to any responses that anyone may have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent w

Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Actually,
Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.

You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, close 
and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once there, 
if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it as a 
local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this should 
work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
> Sounds a little less intimidating.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
>> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just 
>> in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
>> otherwise encrypted.
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>>> let you know what it is.
>>> 
>>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
>>> documents.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
>>>> will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data 
>>>> on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
>>>> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to 
>>>> any responses that anyone may have.
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
>>>> very much for reading this.
>>>> 
>>>> maurice Mines
>>>> Maurice mines.
>>>> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
>>>> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California 
>>>> Bakersfield chapter.
>>>> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
>>>> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>>>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it 
>>>>>> into plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>>>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>>>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface 
>>>>>> and have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also format 
a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the advanced 
features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted disk image 
and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open it like 
another drive. I do that a lot here.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just in 
> case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
> otherwise encrypted.
> 
> 
> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>> let you know what it is.
>> 
>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic documents.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
>>> be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data on my 
>>> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
>>> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
>>> responses that anyone may have.
>>> 
>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
>>> very much for reading this.
>>> 
>>> maurice Mines
>>> Maurice mines.
>>> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
>>> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>>> chapter.
>>> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
>>> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
>>>>> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
>>>>> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and private 
key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to let you know 
what it is.

If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you can 
order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt files, 
emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here and I use 
it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic documents.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
> be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data on my 
> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
> responses that anyone may have.
> 
> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be errors 
> in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, please 
> reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you very much 
> for reading this. 
> 
> maurice Mines  
> Maurice mines.
> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
>>> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
>>> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
>> 
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

Ok, it was under “disk access” and was not checked. Seems like that’s two 
places inside security and privacy that needs to be looked at. Will try it out 
now and see if it works appropriately.

-Eric


> On Jul 9, 2021, at 8:12 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> Eric:
> I finally got onyx to work. Here’s what I had to do:
> Go to system preferences., Go to security and privacy. Then, interact with a 
> table until you get to something like allow access. Then, you add onyx to 
> allow the disk access. Once you do that, onyx will work.
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

I did exactly that and was faced with “Onyx has no windows.” I removed it from 
the table, uninstalled the application, deleted it from the trashcan and then 
restarted my system. Then I installed the fresh copy, opened system 
preferences, opened the security and privacy applet, tabbed to the table entry 
for accessibility, then tabbed to the lock to unlock, entered my password, then 
tabbed back to the add button, chose Onyx in the open dialog. Made sure it was 
chechmarked and then closed system preferences. I then tried to open the 
application from the applications window in finder. I was again faced with 
“Onyx has no windows”. Also, when I tried to quit onyx in that state, it would 
bonk at me. The only way to quit onyx was to VO+esc and then choose force quit.

Next step, open a terminal window and then type in the complete path to the 
onyx unix executable and then press enter. Onyx would start, ask me for my 
system credentials (password), then present me with the application pane. In 
the toolbar, the first item is marked Onyx and pressing the button inside that 
pane resulted in a dialog announcing itself as “kookoo’s egg. I had to to close 
that as there wasn’t anything useful there to find. So, I tried to run the 
system maintenance scripts (toolbar item 2). Once I hit execute, a dialog box 
would open stating that a system restart would be needed after running the 
scripts. Then another dialog would pop up requesting permission to close all 
windows. At this point, once I hit OK, VoiceOver would stop, then restart with 
a troubleshooter pane, which I would hit OK on, then I would be left in onyx 
only too have VoiceOver freeze up with no way to reset. After 20 minutes, and 
no change to the system, I was forced to power down using the power button and 
restart manually. Trying again with subsequent toolbar items evoked the exact 
same behavior.

There is something very wrong with how onyx works with VoiceOver in Catalina on 
my system. I have never before encountered this behavior in any previous 
version of both the application and the OS.

So, at this point, I am completely at a loss as to how to proceed. Every 
attempt ends in a system lockup that isn’t recoverable without a forced 
restart. I even turned off the screen reader and had my sighted roomie try and 
run it normally, only to have it also present with no visible windows. He also 
even tried my method using the terminal application and running the unix 
executable and was met with the same type of system lockup.

-Eric
 

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 8:12 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> Eric:
> I finally got onyx to work. Here’s what I had to do:
> Go to system preferences., Go to security and privacy. Then, interact with a 
> table until you get to something like allow access. Then, you add onyx to 
> allow the disk access. Once you do that, onyx will work.
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

OK, this is message number two on the subject.

The only way I can get onyx to run on my Catalina system is that I actually 
have to go view the package contents drop down through the direct restructure 
inside said contents pain, and then select the Onyx units executable and do the 
VO shift M and choose open with and then terminal. That apparently is the only 
way it will run on my Catalina system. Once I am in Onnix,, Any attempt to run 
any of the tools in that pain or any of the other pains inside of Onnix results 
in my system locking up. Voiceover fails, restarts, slows down and then becomes 
unresponsive again ultimately failing and not restarting. Any attempt to 
restart voiceover yields no results. I’m gonna have to try contacting titanium 
software over this. Unfortunately, since Catalina is an older OS, titanium 
software no longer supports any updates or developments on the product specific 
to that OS version. and I don’t have the time, money, or wherewithal to be 
installing the latest and greatest OS from Apple. I have a 2014 Mac mini here 
and it’s just about at its end of life and I don’t have $500 to buy a new one! 
I just want the thing to work. Is that too much to ask?

– Eric

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> On Jul 9, 2021, at 06:08, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> After installing Onyx, go to your system preferences and make sure it has 
> access under accessibility and full disk access. 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 01:22, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello:
>> Can anyone recommend an excellent, free Mac cleaner? I am currently using 
>> the Catalina operating system. I used to love the onyx cleaner under El 
>> Capitan, however, when I install it on Catalina, it just says, onyx has no 
>> windows, which is strange to me. Looking forward to hearing some 
>> recommendations.
>> Best,
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

OK, I’ve been having the same issue. I am running OS X Catalina here, and I 
went to the titanium website and download the appropriate version of ONYX. I 
installed it, went into system preferences and set up accessibility for the 
app. I still get the problem of “onyx has no windows“. I don’t see anything 
else I can do here. Any additional tips or tricks I should be aware of?

– Eric


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>> 
>> hello:
>> Can anyone recommend an excellent, free Mac cleaner? I am currently using 
>> the Catalina operating system. I used to love the onyx cleaner under El 
>> Capitan, however, when I install it on Catalina, it just says, onyx has no 
>> windows, which is strange to me. Looking forward to hearing some 
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>> Ernest.
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah, windows is about the only place where Firefox is fully accessible outside 
of a Linux environment (and there are several distributions of Linux that have 
full accessibility for the blind).

So, Firefox in windows can work with either jaws or NVDA pretty well. Just 
don’t use it in OS X. And yeah, Mozilla org doesn’t seem to see that 
accessibility on all platforms for everyone is important to their product.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. thanks. I used to like it in windows. oh well.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:20 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still 
>> has major issues that make it a non-starter.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about Firefox?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
>>>>> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in 
>>>>> this situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have 
>>>>> recommended it. do you know anything about Brave?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
>>>>>> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
>>>>>> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>>>>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the 
>>>>>>> menu, just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>>>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>>>>>>>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, 
>>>>>>>> it might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>>>>>>>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
>>>>>>>>> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but 
>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping not.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> thanks.
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still has 
major issues that make it a non-starter.

-Eric


> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> What about Firefox?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
>>> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in this 
>>> situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have recommended 
>>> it. do you know anything about Brave?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
>>>> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
>>>> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>>>> 
>>>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
>>>>> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>>>>>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it 
>>>>>> might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>>>>>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
>>>>>>> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm 
>>>>>>> hoping not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.

-Eric


> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in this 
> situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have recommended 
> it. do you know anything about Brave?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have found 
>> that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. In fact, 
>> the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>> 
>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
>>> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should 
>>>> start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might 
>>>> just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and 
>>>> go to download linked file.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
>>>>> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping 
>>>>> not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have found 
that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. In fact, the 
operation of said context menu is inconsistent.

Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.

-Eric


> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but when 
> I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, just a 
> bunch of stuff about the page.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should 
>> start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might just 
>> start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and go to 
>> download linked file.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
>>> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, including 
the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should start a 
download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might just start 
playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and go to download 
linked file.

-Eric


> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping not.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

[Eric Oyen]

Believe me, it’s not all that complicated. In fact, what I detailed is actually 
fairly simple. Now, if you want complicated, try partitioning that drive with 
multiple logical partitions, then formatting them for a different Filesystem 
each and then mounting them under Linux. *THAT* gets complicated.

-Eric


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 8:21 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much Eric, for a beginner user like me that sounds terrible 
> and complicated. Having said that I will save your instructions and hopefully 
> I will not run into any problems. Thank you for all your help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
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> he's late
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> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Well,
>> The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
>> things don’t work quite that way.
>> 
>> So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
>> choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name 
>> it in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press 
>> the erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 
>> or above), this may take a few hours.
>> 
>> Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
>> following command to move your files:
>> 
>> Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
>> enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
>> alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created 
>> on the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not nearly 
>> as long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an error 
>> indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. You 
>> can then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f flag. 
>> Also, you might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v -f 
>> /originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).
>> 
>> It’s basically that simple. :)
>> 
>> -Eric
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS >> <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB 
>>> hard drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the 
>>> hard drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the 
>>> on-screen instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is 
>>> that correct? Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the 
>>> first time? My second question is the following I want to move my iMovie 
>>> files and some text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying 
>>> the files and then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the 
>>> files best accomplished?
>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
things don’t work quite that way.

So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name it 
in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press the 
erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 or 
above), this may take a few hours.

Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
following command to move your files:

Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created on 
the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not nearly as 
long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an error 
indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. You can 
then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f flag. Also, you 
might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v -f 
/originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).

It’s basically that simple. :)

-Eric
 

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using iMovie 
> to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my cooking 
> shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 episodes and 
> my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard drive from 
> the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard drive needs 
> formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen instructions are 
> pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? Do I need to know 
> anything about using the drive for the first time? My second question is the 
> following I want to move my iMovie files and some text documents onto the 
> hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and then using the move command 
> to the drive? How is moving the files best accomplished?
> Thank you in advance for any help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
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> he's late
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Re: IRC CLient

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
It’s a client I have used for a long time. In any case, you can have the 
windows separate out as individual windows or keep as tabs on one pane. It does 
make it somewhat easier to keep track of things as well. Also, you can 
configure with or without timestamps, or use handle or email (depending on how 
the server is configured).

Also, Hex chat (and it’s previous incarnation) has been around for a 
substantially long time. I was using it in OS X Lion and even in Snow leopard.

Instead of just asking me how great it is, why not get a copy and try it out?

-Eric


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:41 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> What is great about hexchat and VoiceOver?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:13 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries]  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: IRC CLient
>  
> Another irc client you can try is HexChat )formerly XChat). Sure, it’s a full 
> GUI client, but it does have some nice features that make it a dream to work 
> with VoiceOver.
>  
> -Eric
>  
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Pete Nalda > <mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Amazingly enough I had speech unchecked in notifications under preferences, 
>> notifications, but under the speech tab I have both Channel name and 
>> nickname checked.   Now on channel properties for *each* channel under 
>> Notifications, I have highlight mention as the selected alert, and nothing 
>> else checked. This is the only set up that worked to have speech when 
>> somebody was speaking on a channel.
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://facebook.com/lpnalda>
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://linkedin.com/in/lpnalda>
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Juan Hernandez >> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do I get it to speak?  I have the checkbox enabled for speech.  I’ve 
>>> sat in front of textual and  waited for it to read the incoming messages, 
>>> but when I go to  the channel output I see people chatting, but VoiceOver 
>>> doesn’t read it.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Pete Nalda >>> <mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> I like Textual. It’s self voicing, meaning all channel events are spoken, 
>>>> channels/Servers are on the left side, channel content in the middle, and 
>>>> user list on the right. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://facebook.com/lpnalda>
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://linkedin.com/in/lpnalda>
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 1:06 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I am getting back to using mac a lot of my work time as I’m doing work 
>>>>> for iOS and mac development.
>>>>>  
>>>>> So it has been like 3-4 years since I’ve owned a mac.  So my info is a 
>>>>> bit old.
>>>>>  
>>>>> What is an accessible IRC client?
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Re: IRC CLient

[Eric Oyen]

Another irc client you can try is HexChat )formerly XChat). Sure, it’s a full 
GUI client, but it does have some nice features that make it a dream to work 
with VoiceOver.

-Eric


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Amazingly enough I had speech unchecked in notifications under preferences, 
> notifications, but under the speech tab I have both Channel name and nickname 
> checked.   Now on channel properties for *each* channel under Notifications, 
> I have highlight mention as the selected alert, and nothing else checked. 
> This is the only set up that worked to have speech when somebody was speaking 
> on a channel.
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Juan Hernandez > > wrote:
>> 
>> How do I get it to speak?  I have the checkbox enabled for speech.  I’ve 
>> sat in front of textual and  waited for it to read the incoming messages, 
>> but when I go to  the channel output I see people chatting, but VoiceOver 
>> doesn’t read it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Pete Nalda >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like Textual. It’s self voicing, meaning all channel events are spoken, 
>>> channels/Servers are on the left side, channel content in the middle, and 
>>> user list on the right. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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 I am getting back to using mac a lot of my work time as I’m doing work for 
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 So it has been like 3-4 years since I’ve owned a mac.  So my info is a bit 
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 What is an accessible IRC client?
  
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Re: Torrent clients.

[Eric Oyen]

Also, Utorrent is another good one. I have used that one for retrieving Linux 
images before. It’s got a simple to use interface and it’s preferences dialogue 
is easy to work with, even with a screen reader.

Also, you might have to install Xcode tools as well as macports and then 
install RTorrent (which is a command line client).

Anyway, there are some torrent clients out there that still work. :)

-Eric


> On Apr 4, 2021, at 3:38 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
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> Have never used that one, WebTorrent works perfectly with VoiceOver
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>> Hi!
>> I am trying to download Debian on my Mac.
>> The thing is that I need a treat client for this.
>> I now try to use Transmission but for some reason isn’t the app visible to 
>> voiceOver.
>> Its not shown programs chooser but I can see that its loaded when I cmd tab 
>> cycling through apps.
>> In the Security and intigrity settings I have allowed it in the 
>> accessibility categories and in the files and folders and also in full 
>> storage permission.
>> But I can not see the app but its there.
>> Any thoughts.
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Re: strange message when logging into Bookshare from my Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Matt,

Apparently that domain is up for sale. I keep getting a site that says it’s 
parked. Clicking on the other links doesn’t reveal an edit box in which to 
enter the data (in this case, email).

I thought you would want to know.

-Eric


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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah,
He sounds like a total windows user. I Happen to be very conversant with both 
windows and OS X. Right now, I am still on Catalina. Most of the issues he 
alluded to in VoiceOver don’t seem to crop up all that often. However, some 
javascript running on a few of the more busy news sites will cause it to crash 
and restart. That, however, may be a Javascript issue.

Now, as for windows, I make use of both NVDA and JAWS. Of the two, JAWS is much 
more refined, has a scripting interface (that NVDA does not) and can remote 
access other machines with the same version or lesser version of JAWS on board. 
That is something that NVDA can’t, as yet, do. For a free product, however, 
NVDA is pretty good. It compares to ORCCA on many Linux desktop environments. 
That is one I also use and am even more conversant with. Oh, and technically, 
VoiceOver is not free, it just happens to be included on apple hardware that 
you still have to pay a butt load of money for.

Last point: each screen reader does bring something to the table. Each one has 
their strengths, but also has weaknesses that others might not have, or have to 
a lesser degree. However, one weakness that exists on all screen readers are 
apps or pages that haven’t been coded with accessibility even being considered. 
This makes the life of a blind computer user somewhat problematic. There are 
workarounds to be sure, but in the end, we are just not considered as a 
population of importance on the web.

-Eric


> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this person even tried a mac. Yes, there was an issue with disk 
> utility in the big sur recovery and I agree that this should have never been 
> released, but it is fixed now. I'm wondering what tasks the author of this 
> article wants to perform but is unable to do. There is still an issue with 
> adding and removing items from the dock using the keyboard but that's not 
> voiceover related directly.
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:48 AM, kliph miller Sr  
>> wrote:
>> 
 It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>>> 1. This is a windows user
>>> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>>> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>>> 
 Introduction
 The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
 visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
 modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers 
 have been very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to 
 obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet 
 capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we 
 will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual 
 Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in 
 their own right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses which I will 
 discuss in more detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will 
 have a better understanding of each product and its individual 
 strengths/weaknesses.
 
 NVDA
 Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source 
 screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization 
 behind the project is an Australian company called NV Access 
 (www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes 
 with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or 
 Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same features that 
 JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader users. The 
 philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free of 
 charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a financial 
 barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a 
 computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or 
 grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth 
 it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The obvious 
 benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field with 
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Re: IOS 14.4 a serious piece of garbage?

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
I have a gripe with the entire 14.x series of iOS releases. Ever since going to 
14, my phone has done the strange thing when holding down the home button: it 
double chimes upward indicating ready to accept voice input only to immediately 
double chime downward indicating operation canceled. I have had to reset my 
phone 4 times already and the problem comes back in less than a week. So, 
basically, I can’t add to my electronic calendar by that method, nor can I 
request phone calls, play my music or even open apps. What does it take to have 
a properly working phone?

-Eric


> On Feb 14, 2021, at 6:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess I'm glad I'm not alone. But I can't help thinking that Siri has 
> taken some major steps backwards.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> hi donna.
>> thats a problem i have with siri.
>> i cant play some albums for some strange reasons.
>> this has been worse in this new 14.4 update.
>> so youre not alone.
>> 7ad
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPad
>> 
>>> 14 feb. 2021 kl. 19:21 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Oh, God! so here's what happened this morning.
>>> 
>>> I said "Siri, play Album x." Siri said, "I can't find Album X on Apple 
>>> Music." So I said, "Siri, play album X from my library." Siri said, "I 
>>> can't find Album X on Apple music." So I said, "Siri, play Artist from my 
>>> library." Siri immediately played a song from the album I'd been trying to 
>>> play. So I said," Siri, play this album." Siri immediately switched to a 
>>> different album. So, I thought, OK, I'll just air-play it from my phone. I 
>>> started the album, and went into the control center to select the speakers 
>>> where I wanted the music to play. But the Playback Destination button in 
>>> the Control center seems only to be there for decoration. Tapping it 
>>> brought up the list of speakers, but I was not able to select and get music 
>>> to play on anything other than my phone. I was finally able to get the 
>>> album to play on one of my HomePodes by holding my phone up to it and 
>>> transferring, but we all know that that sometimes works, and sometimes 
>>> doesn't. So this action, which should have been able to be implemented with 
>>> one voice command, ended up taking about fifteen minutes, and it still 
>>> wasn't playin on all the speakers where I wanted it to play.
>>> 
>>> On a more general level, our music system is a combination of HomePods and 
>>> Sonos speakers. In IOS 13, if I had the speakers grouped, and told Siri to 
>>> adjust the volume, the volume was adjusted for the whole group. Now, it is 
>>> only adjusted on the HomePod. If I want to adjust the volume on the Sonos 
>>> speakers, I either have to open the Sonos app and do it there, or manually 
>>> walk over and adjust it. There's just no excuse for that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:54 AM, `  wrote:
 
 I can't comment on the Braille Display, but I hae not experienced any 
 issues with the HomePod.
 
> On 2/14/2021 10:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Does anyone else out there feel like IOS 14.4 is a serious piece of c***? 
> Honestly, I hate it enough that I'm giving some consideration to just 
> going back to another environment. What on earth was Apple thinking? I 
> have problems with my braille display and problems with playing music in 
> my home. This is the suckiest release I can remember in a long time!
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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Eric Oyen]

I have only encountered this on occasion. I don’t use the VO+J command. I 
simply go to the message of interest and read it directly. And yes, I am 
running latest version of Catalina (system updated today in fact). Mail does 
sometimes hang whenever the server gets too busy. Also, if trying to load 
images or URL’s from online sources, mail can get a bit dicey. I turned off 
loading of images and outside URL’s to minimize this problem.

Btw, here is my system specs just for interest:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac mini
  Model Identifier: Macmini6,1
  Processor Name:   Dual-Core Intel Core i5
  Processor Speed:  2.5 GHz
  Number of Processors: 1
  Total Number of Cores:2
  L2 Cache (per Core):  256 KB
  L3 Cache: 3 MB
  Hyper-Threading Technology:   Enabled
  Memory:   8 GB
  Boot ROM Version: 421.0.0.0.0
  SMC Version (system): 2.7f0
  Serial Number (system):   C07JCYD5DWYL
  Hardware UUID:EA38BF4D-C66A-5630-BD01-495716CEB60B

System Software Overview:

  System Version:   macOS 10.15.7 (19H524)
  Kernel Version:   Darwin 19.6.0
  Boot Volume:  MacMini
  Boot Mode:Normal
  Computer Name:EvilDead
  User Name:proudhawk (proudhawk)
  Secure Virtual Memory:Enabled
  System Integrity Protection:  Enabled
  Time since boot:  24 minutes


-Eric


> On Feb 9, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> This is not a new issue, and is not unique to Big Sur.  I currently 
> experience this on Catalina, and other versions of macOS and iOS going back a 
> while.
> I believe this is a server-side issue, and not anything you can do about it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 12:31, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” 
> when I try to read a message. 
> I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all 
> messages in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press 
> VO+J to read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple 
> Mail distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to 
> display the message text. It instead displays the message header and then 
> keeps saying “busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually 
> fix the problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I 
> think this may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am 
> trying to read the chosen message. 
> This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
> Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
> my Mail preferences?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: accessible vpn

[Eric Oyen]

Try private internet access. I use them on my Mac mini with very little trouble.

-Eric


> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I know this has been discussed before but can anybody recommend an accessible 
> vpn for my Mac? I have one on my phone but it's only for phones.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

[Eric Oyen]

I contacted them via twitter. I couldn’t do so via cloud flare. My exchange on 
there was simply sending them a lot of screen captures of pages that would show 
up. I couldn’t direct message them at all. In the end, the go around between 
them and me took a grand total of about 10 tweets back and forth. They solved 
the issue on their end in about an hour.

Btw, you would have to tweet to @FictionPress in order to get their attention.

-Eric


> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> Part of why i wrote is that others have not gotten such a response.
> did you contact  ffn on twitter, or cloudflare?
> How would you feel about sharing that exchange?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
>> picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I 
>> finally got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their 
>> settings were causing, they started work on it.
>> 
>> Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually 
>> just go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And 
>> yes, I strictly use a Mac here.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos attack.
>>> www.fanfiction.net
>>> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at 
>>> its most extreme settings, including security tests.
>>> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
>>> show.
>>> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
>>> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
>>> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
>>> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
>>> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
>>> voiceover issue.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

[Eric Oyen]

Setting the accessibility cookie is rather easy. You just have to make sure 
that your allow cookies setting is turned on in your browser of choice.

Firstly, if you can’t get past the captcha, there are links that show up that 
will take you to a page where you fill in your email. Then, a link will be sent 
to your email containing a login link. On that page, a control called “set 
disability cookie” will be present. Best bookmark that page so if the same 
thing crops up again in the future, you can go right to that page and hit the 
set cookie thing again. Then just go to the page you were on before, reload it 
and boom, back in business.

-Eric


> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> how do you set the accessibility cookie? I ran into another site where this 
> was requested and I didn't know what they were talking about.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> Part of why i wrote is that others have not gotten such a response.
>> did you contact  ffn on twitter, or cloudflare?
>> How would you feel about sharing that exchange?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
>>> picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I 
>>> finally got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their 
>>> settings were causing, they started work on it.
>>> 
>>> Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually 
>>> just go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And 
>>> yes, I strictly use a Mac here.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos 
>>>> attack.
>>>> www.fanfiction.net
>>>> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at 
>>>> its most extreme settings, including security tests.
>>>> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
>>>> show.
>>>> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
>>>> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
>>>> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
>>>> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
>>>> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
>>>> voiceover issue.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

[Eric Oyen]

I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I finally 
got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their settings were 
causing, they started work on it.

Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually just 
go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And yes, I 
strictly use a Mac here.

-Eric


> On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos attack.
> www.fanfiction.net
> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at its 
> most extreme settings, including security tests.
> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
> show.
> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
> voiceover issue.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
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Re: youTube to Mp3

[Eric Oyen]

handbrake. That’s my go to app. Get a copy of the video from YouTube using a 
downloader and then run it through handbrake.

-Eric


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> Greetings,
> 
> Can someone please either tell me how to  or recommend an accessible Mac or 
> iOS app to turn a video on youTube into an audio only Mp3. 
> 
> Thanks so much because this video isn't something I can purchase anywhere and 
> I only need the audio since I can't see the video.
> 
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Re: Favorite Mac Twitter client?

[Eric Oyen]

I also use night owl and was one of it’s earliest adopters back when OS X Lion 
was King. :) Other than a few hiccups (like not completely following twitter 
API when it comes to counting characters on hashtags and names) it’s been ok.

-Eric


> On Nov 24, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> I agree I have tried both night owl and twitterific and find night owl the 
> most intuitive to use
> 
>> On 24 Nov 2020, at 05:34, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Night Owl. I've been using it ever since I created my Twitter account 
>> back in 2014. If you're familiar with it, I wouldn't use any other Twitter 
>> client.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>> happily add you.
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Twitterific. It has an accessible layout. 
>>> 
>>> Herbie
>>> 
 On Nov 23, 2020, at 14:26, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all, Now that I’m running the latest oporating system, I have options 
 in a Twitter client. Which are your favorites and why?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Apple Mail on Bigsur: where have All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk gone?

[Eric Oyen]

Wow, instead of just displaying them by default, you now have to add them to 
see them. Just so cute, Apple Inc! It’s these types of interface changes 
without prior notice that are the bane of many blind users existence. It means 
having to relearn the interface, or if possible, resetting back to the classic 
interface Some web interfaces are also this way (gmail, hotmail, etc) and no 
longer allow access to their “classic look”. Speaking of gmail, they do have a 
text only interface, but it doesn’t have near the functionality of the full 
interface on settings, etc. So, use the basic and be limited, or use the full 
display and be lost.

-Eric


> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:42 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have now fixed this problem. In Apple Mail go to the list of Mail boxes and 
> just before All Inboxes you will see Favourites with an Add button. Activate 
> this Add button and you will see a list of other possible mail boxes. This 
> list includes All Junk, All Archive, and All Bins. Select these and all will 
> then be well.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Deeper look at Apple’s recent server outage reveals potential Mac privacy concerns

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm,

I wonder what ports and protocols are used? That information might make it 
possible for me to configure my hardware firewall for proper permissions. As 
far as I am concerned, apple only needs to know if any of their system apps 
crash.

-Eric


> On Nov 13, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Deeper look at Apple’s recent server outage reveals potential Mac privacy 
> concerns
> Michael Potuck 
> 
> As Apple launched its new macOS operating system to the public yesterday, 
> serious server outages occurred that saw widespread Big Sur download/install 
> failures, iMessage and Apple Pay go down but more than that, even performance 
> issues for users running macOS Catalina and earlier. We learned why that 
> happened at a high-level yesterday, now a security researcher has shared a 
> deep-dive along with his privacy and security concerns for Macs, especially 
> Apple Silicon ones.
> 
> 
> Not long after macOS Big Sur officially launched for all users, we started 
> seeing reports of extremely slow download times, download failures 
> ,
>  and in the cases that the download did go through, an error at the end that 
> prevented installation 
> .
> 
> At the same time, we saw Apple’s Developer website go down, followed by 
> outages for iMessage, Apple Maps, Apple Pay, Apple Card, and some Developer 
> services. Then the reports flooded in about third-party apps on Macs running 
> Catalina and earlier not launching or hanging and other sluggish performance.
> 
> Here are the latest details on Apple outages affecting Mac apps, Big Sur 
> updates, iMessage, and more 
> 
> Developer Jeff Johnson was one of the first to point out 
>  what was 
> going on: an issue with Macs connecting to an Apple server: OCSP. Then 
> developer Panic elaborated that it had to do with Apple’s Gatekeeper feature 
> checking for app validity 
> .
> 
> Now security researcher and hacker Jeffry Paul 
>  has published an 
> in-depth look at what he saw happen and his related privacy and security 
> concerns in his post “Your Computer Isn’t Yours.” 
> 
> On modern versions of macOS, you simply can’t power on your computer, launch 
> a text editor or eBook reader, and write or read, without a log of your 
> activity being transmitted and stored.
> 
> It turns out that in the current version of the macOS, the OS sends to Apple 
> a hash (unique identifier) of each and every program you run, when you run 
> it. Lots of people didn’t realize this, because it’s silent and invisible and 
> it fails instantly and gracefully when you’re offline, but today the server 
> got really slow and it didn’t hit the fail-fast code path, and everyone’s 
> apps failed to open if they were connected to the internet.
> 
> He goes on to explain what Apple sees from the process:
> 
> Because it does this using the internet, the server sees your IP, of course, 
> and knows what time the request came in. An IP address allows for coarse, 
> city-level and ISP-level geolocation, and allows for a table that has the 
> following headings:
> 
> Date, Time, Computer, ISP, City, State, Application Hash
> 
> This means that Apple knows when you’re at home. When you’re at work. What 
> apps you open there, and how often. They know when you open Premiere over at 
> a friend’s house on their Wi-Fi, and they know when you open Tor Browser in a 
> hotel on a trip to another city.
> 
> Paul continues by posing the argument many readers might be thinking: “Who 
> cares?” He answers that by explaining that OCSP requests are unencrypted and 
> it’s not just Apple who has access to the data:
> 
> 1. These OCSP requests are transmitted unencrypted. Everyone who can see the 
> network can see these, including your ISP and anyone who has tapped their 
> cables .
> 
> 2. These requests go to a third-party CDN run by another company, Akamai.
> 
> 3. Since October of 2012, Apple is a partner in the US military intelligence 
> community’s PRISM spying program 
> , which grants 
> the US federal police and military unfettered access to this data without a 
> warrant, any time they ask for it. In the first half of 2019 they did this 
> over 18,000 times, and another 17,500+ times in the second half of 2019. 
> 
> This data amounts to a tremendous trove of data about your life and 

Re: More on my Win Clone problem. Please read below?

[Eric Oyen]

I might be able to help a bit. If they have an audio captcha, I can send them a 
message for you. You might have to send me the info in a private mail.

-Eric


> On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> I found the company that makes the software. But it appears that I'm unable 
> to write them an email because they require a capsha yes they do have it for 
> someone who is just normally blind, or two in my neck of the woods as"hearing 
> blind" and I am actually deaf blind meaning that the verification is in 
> accessible for me. Any thoughts or should I call somebody that knows the law 
> very well. Now I'm just extremely took off because all I need is my stupid 
> license key and I'm not infinitely wealthy they just re-purchase the software.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines
> Please note that the above text has been dictated to the computer by means 
> built-in dictation software. If there's something written above that you 
> can't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I will do 
> everything I can to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the 
> above text. Thank you very much for reading this.
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Exporting as pdf in mail app questions

[Eric Oyen]

Hello folks,
I have a question about exporting pdf files from mail. It gets the subject just 
fine, but what I want the export tool to also get is the date and who sent the 
email made as part of the filename with the date being first, name being second 
and subject being last.

Anyone have any good ideas on how to accomplish this?

-Eric

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Re: Zoom on a Mac

[Eric Oyen]

thanks. Honestly, they really should take advantage of apples App Store for 
things like this. Then again, perhaps they don’t like the draconian control 
that apple has over said store. Anyway, I’ll find the right package and install 
it.

-Eric


> On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Don’t use the App Store. Go to zoom.us <http://zoom.us/> website and the 
> correct installation will be available under the “downloads” section.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 4:05 PM, Eric Oyen > <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Big giant question, which package do I choose out of the App Store here. 
>> Several meet the conditions for the name and all appear to have similar 
>> features but none of them are expkicitly named zoom.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Robert Carter >> <mailto:nc5rn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Hi Lorie,
>>> 
>>> VO+space on your name to bring up the profile menu. Interact with the 
>>> personal note item. You can then vo+right arrow to get to an edit box where 
>>> you can type. If you VO+right arrow again, you will get to a clear button 
>>> where you can clear the edit box if needed.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>> to do this before on IOS but it doesn't seem to work. anyway, when I've 
>>>> entered "my profile" even if I interact I can't go beyond "add a personal 
>>>> note." vo will read me everything but I can't focus the keyboard on what I 
>>>> want to open. how is this done?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
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Re: Zoom on a Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Big giant question, which package do I choose out of the App Store here. 
Several meet the conditions for the name and all appear to have similar 
features but none of them are expkicitly named zoom.

-Eric


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> Hi Lorie,
> 
> VO+space on your name to bring up the profile menu. Interact with the 
> personal note item. You can then vo+right arrow to get to an edit box where 
> you can type. If you VO+right arrow again, you will get to a clear button 
> where you can clear the edit box if needed.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm trying to change something in my profile on Zoom on my Mac. I've tried 
>> to do this before on IOS but it doesn't seem to work. anyway, when I've 
>> entered "my profile" even if I interact I can't go beyond "add a personal 
>> note." vo will read me everything but I can't focus the keyboard on what I 
>> want to open. how is this done?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

[Eric Oyen]

Problem is that the captcha malfunction has even happened inside the amazon app 
itself (tried today after getting account services to release the security 
lockout on my account, only to face the captcha and then run into the 
“non-existent” page issue when I tried for the audio alternative. So, 
basically, this means I can’t even use the app.

-Eric


> On Aug 13, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Tim M  wrote:
> 
> That is why I use my phone ap to buy from them.
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Not personally surprised  the so called captcha solutions have been 
>> nonfunctional for several months now at least.
>> My conversations with Amazon indicate their disability team exists to put 
>> items in carts, not to address correct or impact any aspect of inclusion at 
>> all.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
>>> Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get 
>>> the app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up and 
>>> I tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that 
>>> stated “the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon 
>>> customer support, I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about this 
>>> currently.
>>> 
>>> So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
>>> captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
>>> search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single 
>>> solver in the bunch.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that 
>>> they feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or 
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

[Eric Oyen]

Hello all,

Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get the 
app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up and I 
tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that stated 
“the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon customer support, 
I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about this currently.

So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single solver 
in the bunch.

Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that they 
feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or help 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Eric

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Re: Enough is Enough.

[Eric Oyen]

Actually, Clara did respond and advised cessation of the politics. I added my 2 
cents worth afterward. Honestly, Politics doesn’t have anything to do with Mac 
accessibility, except where the law is concerned with accessibility in general. 
Anything else outside of that is just arguing to be arguing.

Anyway, the list owners have seen it and addressed it (I hope).

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I'm going to ask this for the list and of the entire list!
> 
> As we've not been able to get hold of mark or Cara and we can't say they are 
> ignoring this thread as we don't know what their current situation is.
> 
> So as adults and in most cases respectfull of eachother,
> 
> I'd like to ask that we just 'STOP"  this post.
> 
> That way we can get rid of the related signature issue.
> 
> To those folks interested in the FireFox on the mac thread,
> Can we either start a new thread or change the signature to reflect a new 
> start?
> 
> As for the other issue,
> Please lets after this leave it alone and with luck it will die a natural 
> death!
> 
> Note we have already lost a number of members that we will miss and that were 
> / are part of the list family.
> 
> Time is to short these days for us to deal with this type of thing and I 
> advise people that if you get an email with any type of discriminatory or 
> racist / religious signature that you don't agree with,
> 
> Hit the delete button on it and don't worry about commenting,
> Remember ignorance is bliss and we all have times of blissness.
> 
> Thanks and I'm sorry to go on about this, 
> 
> But I have enough shit in my own life that I don't need to add this to it 
> also.
> 
> Take care and enjoy the world as a whole.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 5:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
> MayBe that Person should Create a   NEW Thread, as This1 is Serverely 
> Derailed?
> Just Sayin
> 
> I  tried  & attempted to get This Thread Back On Track  to No Avail
> 
> At 10:00 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the 
>> original article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have 
>> been messing with FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is 
>> finally improving again with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point 
>> of being quite usable.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via
>> MacVisionaries  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. 
>> moderator, their contact information is in the footer. And I doubt 
>> very much they support hatred.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Freedom of Speech Carries With
>>> It Implicit Responsibility.
>>> 
>>> On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
 "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
 &
 Wonder if "They" support The Views  of
>> TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The Reason, "Why" they are 
>> Allowing This Thread to Continue
 EvenThough
 it's OFF Topic/Subject
 I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail 
 At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
> No that̢۪s why I̢۪m sorry Jsorry Julie,
> 
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>  To block the sender and trash their emails,
> 
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss
>> emails of interest from other members.it̢۪s just so interesting to 
>> hear how theseese perfect people react, must be difficult living in 
>> their close minded worlds.
> 
> Simon F
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on
>> Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
> It was not you that made people leave it is
>> rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue
> 
> 
>   On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty    > wrote:
> 
>   Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them 
> leaving,
> 
>   That wasn̢۪t my intention to make it happen.
>> .
>   Regards,
> 
> 
>   Simon F
> 
> 
>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   
>      > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>   Sent: Thursday, 2 

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm.
Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see politics, I simply delete and 
move on. Political discussions often devolve into meaningless arguments, 
insults, name calling, labeling and argumentative fallacies. I get enough of 
that on Facebook, twitter, tick tock, snapchat, what sap, and LinkedIn.

I think the only exception is politics but only where apple and it’s products 
are concerned, BUT ONLY THAT. Once it goes OT, then that’s where it needs to 
end. Mind you, this is just my opinion.

Anyway, don’t drop off the list because of politics. Simply delete the thread 
and move on. Believe me, it cuts down on the stress and gives you some control.

Just my 2 cents worth.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
> each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
> 
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
> troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in 
> entirety before I spoke.
> 
> Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
> couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
> 
> To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
> first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. 
> Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and 
> opinions as well.
> 
> this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
> attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, 
> plain and simple.
> 
> Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
> 
> This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
> means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
> states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
> allowed. This is free speech.
> 
> However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
> without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this 
> list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
> 
> There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to 
> share their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums 
> in which to do so. This list is not one of them.
> 
> This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
> focused.
> 
> If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
> respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be 
> polite, then this list is not the place for you.
> 
> Please consider going somewhere else.
> 
> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
> possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to 
> foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
> 
> We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
> of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
> these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We 
> share those too.
> 
> We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
> grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
> That is our purpose.
> 
> So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
> mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
> than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect 
> and politeness.
> 
> It can really go a long way for all of us.
> 
> thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
> this community that we have all built here.
> 
> Let me wish you and yours well.
> Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
> everyone!
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
They need to have the audio alternative captcha available for a start. Then 
they need to setup the page similar to the look (although not the feel) of 
either Facebook or twitter (both of which I find rather easy to get around in 
these days).

Now, as for their app, it’s going to have to be massively corrected. All 
buttons properly labeled, all edit boxes fully accessible regardless of screen 
reader mode, an audio alternative captcha to also be made available, etc. Also, 
any and all other form controls, popup boxes, picker items, etc to be made 
fully accessible and fully tested.

Yes, I know, it’s a lot of work, but these guys need to know that we are a 
growing population class on the web and our voices carry weight now. You might 
want to inform them that the entirety of the disabled population inside the US 
represents slightly more than $185 Billion annually and that this figure is 
growing. The blind alone represent nearly 3/5ths of that figure (because of our 
influence with friends, families, associates and their friends). So, to that 
end, we, as a class, represent a non-trivial percentage of the overall 
population and also represent a very substantial spending base. Just on those 
points alone, there should be sufficient justification to fix the problems 
while they are still cheap to fix.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:51 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I asked sighted assistance to go past the captcha both in Safari and in 
> Parler iphone app.  There’ are huge accessibility issues with the mobile app 
> in that lots of buttons and tabs are not labelled.  In safari, I’ve managed 
> to find some people to follow and even send some posts but it’s very hit and 
> miss.  I do hope the developers are going to be receptive or else we will be 
> locked out of Parler altogether.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 22 Jun 2020, at 03:04, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There 
>> have been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the 
>> Parler network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual 
>> only captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, 
>> they are doing a good job of locking out the blind.
>> 
>> Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. 
>> No way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as 
>> a captcha is required there too. g.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:23 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up 
>>> to it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
>>> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
>>> would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There have 
been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the Parler 
network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual only 
captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, they are 
doing a good job of locking out the blind.

Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. No 
way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as a 
captcha is required there too. g.

-Eric


> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:23 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up to 
> it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
> would be helpful.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Five tips to speed up your Mac - CNET

[Eric Oyen]

Well, it probably doesn’t help that I am using an older model Mac mini (2014) 
with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB ssd installed. Oh, and it is running the latest OS 
version.

-Eric


> On May 24, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Interesting.
> I had no problem viewing the CNET website using SaFari v13.1 on macOS 
> Catalina.
> Of course my new Mac mini 2018 has maxed out RAM, so maybe that makes a 
> difference.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 09:48, Eric Oyen  <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Very true.
> 
> Every time I try to open the Cnet website on safari, the browser goes into 
> total lockdown and I am forced to use the force kill system application in 
> order to break the lockout. It seems that some (or all) of the ads on that 
> site cause resource issues inside the the browser. Btw, this isn’t nearly as 
> much of an issue inside google chrome.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have another suggestion for performance improvements on MAC. Don't open 
>> C'net articles in Safari unless you have an ad blocker. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The article makes good points.
>>> I have never heard of App Zapper, but I have heard of other apps like Clean 
>>> My Mac that do a lot of the same things.
>>> Adding RAM and a new SSD is not as easy as the article makes it sound, 
>>> especially for someone who is blind or vision impaired.
>>> Adding more RAM will not affect your Mac’s ability to upgrade its version 
>>> of macOS beyond a certain version.  This is dependent on other hardware 
>>> considerations.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:31, Traci Duncan >> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are folk’s thoughts on this article? Has anyone used that AppZapper 
>>> they recommend?
>>> 
>>> Would you add additional tips?
>>> 
>>> Lastly, if ram is upgraded in an older Mac, will it suddenly accept the 
>>> latest OS?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/ 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/>
>>>> 
>>>> Five tips to speed up your Mac
>>>> 
>>>> Boost your Mac's performance and reclaim hard-drive space with this 
>>>> handful of tips.
>>>> 
>>>> Feb. 7, 2017 6:00 a.m. PT
>>>> Watch this: Upgrade your MacBook with an SSD
>>>> 
>>>> 4:29
>>>> 
>>>> The only place I like seeing a beach ball is at a beach or in a stadium 
>>>> during a baseball game or concert. The one place I least like to see a 
>>>> beach ball is on my aging MacBook Pro, where the spinning beach ball has 
>>>> become an altogether too familiar a sight. If your Mac has become 
>>>> frustratingly slow, there are a number of ways you can speed it up again.
>>>> 
>>>> Before you engage in any maintenance, I would urge you to take caution and 
>>>> back up your data. For Macs, it's easy: grab an external drive and run 
>>>> Time Machine 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-time-machine-on-your-mac/>. 
>>>> With your Mac's drive freshly backed up, you may proceed.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Replace your Mac hard drive with an SSD
>>>> 
>>>> Moving from a traditional spinning hard drive to a solid-state drive (SSD) 
>>>> is the single best thing you can do to improve the performance of an aging 
>>>> MacBook. Follow Sharon Profis's instructions on how to upgrade your 
>>>> MacBook Pro with an SSD 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/upgrade-your-macbook-install-ssd-hard-drive/>.
>>>>  You'll be shocked at not only how easy it is to do but also at the huge 
>>>> impact it has on performance.
>>>> 
>>>> I just performed the maneuver myself, replacing my 2011-era MacBook Pro's 
>>>> 500GB hard drive with the 500GBSamsung 850 EVO 
>>>>  . The Samsung SSD and a 
>>>> SATA-to-USB cable kit cost me just north of $200 on Amazon. And the whole 
>>>> procedure took less than an hour (not counting

Re: Five tips to speed up your Mac - CNET

[Eric Oyen]

Very true.

Every time I try to open the Cnet website on safari, the browser goes into 
total lockdown and I am forced to use the force kill system application in 
order to break the lockout. It seems that some (or all) of the ads on that site 
cause resource issues inside the the browser. Btw, this isn’t nearly as much of 
an issue inside google chrome.

-Eric


> On May 23, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I have another suggestion for performance improvements on MAC. Don't open 
> C'net articles in Safari unless you have an ad blocker. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The article makes good points.
>> I have never heard of App Zapper, but I have heard of other apps like Clean 
>> My Mac that do a lot of the same things.
>> Adding RAM and a new SSD is not as easy as the article makes it sound, 
>> especially for someone who is blind or vision impaired.
>> Adding more RAM will not affect your Mac’s ability to upgrade its version of 
>> macOS beyond a certain version.  This is dependent on other hardware 
>> considerations.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:31, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> What are folk’s thoughts on this article? Has anyone used that AppZapper 
>> they recommend?
>> 
>> Would you add additional tips?
>> 
>> Lastly, if ram is upgraded in an older Mac, will it suddenly accept the 
>> latest OS?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Five tips to speed up your Mac
>>> 
>>> Boost your Mac's performance and reclaim hard-drive space with this handful 
>>> of tips.
>>> 
>>> Feb. 7, 2017 6:00 a.m. PT
>>> Watch this: Upgrade your MacBook with an SSD
>>> 
>>> 4:29
>>> 
>>> The only place I like seeing a beach ball is at a beach or in a stadium 
>>> during a baseball game or concert. The one place I least like to see a 
>>> beach ball is on my aging MacBook Pro, where the spinning beach ball has 
>>> become an altogether too familiar a sight. If your Mac has become 
>>> frustratingly slow, there are a number of ways you can speed it up again.
>>> 
>>> Before you engage in any maintenance, I would urge you to take caution and 
>>> back up your data. For Macs, it's easy: grab an external drive and run Time 
>>> Machine 
>>> . With 
>>> your Mac's drive freshly backed up, you may proceed.
>>> 
>>> 1. Replace your Mac hard drive with an SSD
>>> 
>>> Moving from a traditional spinning hard drive to a solid-state drive (SSD) 
>>> is the single best thing you can do to improve the performance of an aging 
>>> MacBook. Follow Sharon Profis's instructions on how to upgrade your MacBook 
>>> Pro with an SSD 
>>> . 
>>> You'll be shocked at not only how easy it is to do but also at the huge 
>>> impact it has on performance.
>>> 
>>> I just performed the maneuver myself, replacing my 2011-era MacBook Pro's 
>>> 500GB hard drive with the 500GBSamsung 850 EVO 
>>>  . The Samsung SSD and a 
>>> SATA-to-USB cable kit cost me just north of $200 on Amazon. And the whole 
>>> procedure took less than an hour (not counting the half a day it took to 
>>> clone my MacBook's hard drive to the SSD).
>>> 
>>> Really, the hardest part of the whole thing was tracking down a size 6T 
>>> torx-head screwdriver for the four torx screws that help hold the hard 
>>> drive in place.
>>> 
>>> 2. Add more memory (RAM)
>>> 
>>> While you have your MacBook opened to replace its hard drive, take the 
>>> opportunity to add more memory. Like the replacing a hard drive, adding 
>>> more memory is a straightforward, simple process.
>>> 
>>> First, you need to find the right type of memory for your specific MacBook 
>>> model. The brand doesn't matter much, just be sure to buy the right amount, 
>>> type, and speed. Apple has a handy support page 
>>>  that shows the memory specifications 
>>> for a variety of models, along with an illustrated guide to replacing the 
>>> memory.
>>> 
>>> In my case, my early-2011 MacBook Pro has two DIMM slots, each of which is 
>>> occupied by a 2GB module. Since I don't have any free slots, I will need to 
>>> replace those two modules with two 4GB modules. I need DDR3 memory with a 
>>> speed of 1,333MHz.
>>> 
>>> After finding the right RAM for your MacBook, follow the photos below to 
>>> install the new memory.
>>> 
>>> 3. Clean your Mac's hard drive
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, all your MacBook needs is a data clean-up. Over the years, 
>>> you've probably cluttered your Mac with files and applications you no 
>>> longer use or need.
>>> 
>>> Uninstall old Mac apps
>>> 
>>> To get started, let's look in the Applications and Downloads folders. If 
>>> there are apps in 

Re: Body Cams

[Eric Oyen]

I would also like to find one. I have my reasons (mostly dealing with 
neighborhood issues and the like). It would be nice to experiment with it and 
see (bad joke for me) how they work.

-Eric.


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Re: System going random busy since last OS upgrade

[Eric Oyen]

Nope. Not running any virtual machines here at the present time.

-Eric


> On Dec 30, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Can it be something in the extras manu maybe?
> I had to disable vmware from the extras menu to get rid of my fan problems on 
> catalina.
> /A
> 
>> 29 dec. 2019 kl. 22:05 skrev Eric Oyen > <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> The machine is a Mac mini (late 2015 model) with 8 GB ram, 512 GB ssd using 
>> a core i5 quad core. Generally, I have night owl, safari, chrome, textedit 
>> and mail running at any given time. Also, from what I can figure out, the 
>> problem becomes noticeably worse with time. This is behaving like a memory 
>> leak.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 7:16 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What model of computer?  How much RAM on board the computer?  Do you know 
>>> how many apps you have open when this occurs?  If you press 
>>> cmd-option-Escape, which brings up the Force Quit window, do any of the 
>>> apps announce that they are "not Responding"?  žAre you on the latest 
>>> version of Catalina, 10.15.2?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 15:45, Eric Oyen >> <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I find myself in an increasingly frustrating situation. I have been 
>>> encountering random busy applications and the problem appears to be getting 
>>> worse with time. It would start with one application, and then spread to 
>>> any others open on the desktop and then the entire system would go busy, 
>>> causing even the VoiceOver screen reader to lock up for a period of time. 
>>> This problem has been an increasing factor in my frustration since 
>>> upgrading to Catalina. Are there any work arounds or resolutions for this? 
>>> I have repeatedly sent bug reports to apple’s developer corps and have seen 
>>> no response. Solutions and suggestions greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
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Re: System going random busy since last OS upgrade

[Eric Oyen]

It disappears for a while, then it starts to creep back in after about the 
first 24 hours of uptime and apparently affects any running apps. It is 
beginning to resemble a memory leak issue. Also, I have had several crash 
reporter dialogs pop up with increasing frequency as the problem worsens.

-Eric


> On Dec 28, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> What happens when you reboot the system? Does the problem persist?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I find myself in an increasingly frustrating situation. I have been 
>> encountering random busy applications and the problem appears to be getting 
>> worse with time. It would start with one application, and then spread to any 
>> others open on the desktop and then the entire system would go busy, causing 
>> even the VoiceOver screen reader to lock up for a period of time. This 
>> problem has been an increasing factor in my frustration since upgrading to 
>> Catalina. Are there any work arounds or resolutions for this? I have 
>> repeatedly sent bug reports to apple’s developer corps and have seen no 
>> response. Solutions and suggestions greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> -Eric
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Re: System going random busy since last OS upgrade

[Eric Oyen]

The machine is a Mac mini (late 2015 model) with 8 GB ram, 512 GB ssd using a 
core i5 quad core. Generally, I have night owl, safari, chrome, textedit and 
mail running at any given time. Also, from what I can figure out, the problem 
becomes noticeably worse with time. This is behaving like a memory leak.

-Eric


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> Hi,
> 
> What model of computer?  How much RAM on board the computer?  Do you know how 
> many apps you have open when this occurs?  If you press cmd-option-Escape, 
> which brings up the Force Quit window, do any of the apps announce that they 
> are "not Responding"?  žAre you on the latest version of Catalina, 10.15.2?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Dec 28, 2019, at 15:45, Eric Oyen  <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I find myself in an increasingly frustrating situation. I have been 
> encountering random busy applications and the problem appears to be getting 
> worse with time. It would start with one application, and then spread to any 
> others open on the desktop and then the entire system would go busy, causing 
> even the VoiceOver screen reader to lock up for a period of time. This 
> problem has been an increasing factor in my frustration since upgrading to 
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System going random busy since last OS upgrade

[Eric Oyen]

Hello everyone,

I find myself in an increasingly frustrating situation. I have been 
encountering random busy applications and the problem appears to be getting 
worse with time. It would start with one application, and then spread to any 
others open on the desktop and then the entire system would go busy, causing 
even the VoiceOver screen reader to lock up for a period of time. This problem 
has been an increasing factor in my frustration since upgrading to Catalina. 
Are there any work arounds or resolutions for this? I have repeatedly sent bug 
reports to apple’s developer corps and have seen no response. Solutions and 
suggestions greatly appreciated.

-Eric

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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Eric Oyen]

This happens to me as well. It’s been an ongoing issue with amazon for at least 
3 years. A few other blind people have even made screen capture videos on 
YouTube (among other platforms) and amazon doesn’t appear to be responsive.

Still, if enough people send mail to the Amazon CEO via email ( j...@amazon.com 
) then attention might get paid to the problem.

-Eric


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
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Re: Is there anybody out there?

[Eric Oyen]

I may have to switch to a different email provider because my mails from this 
list keep ending up in the spam folder on gmail.. I keep going in and marking 
it as “not spam” but google doesn’t seem to be getting the message.

Btw, any suggestions on how to solve this would be greatly appreciated.

-Eric


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Re: Some strange behavior after upgrading to catalina

[Eric Oyen]

I will have to look into the cursor tracking issue. I don’t ever remember 
turning it on, but it could be on by default. I will try to change a few things 
inside the VoiceOver utility configuration and see what happens.

Thanks,


Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Corrections Dept.

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eric,
> For the terminal, note that Catalina by default uses the zsh instead of bash 
> for its shell. That being said, I used to have zsh do file name completions 
> when I used it in 1999. You should b able to start a bash session and have it 
> work as before.
> In terms of Safari, I expect that since VO Cursor is dragging the keyboard 
> input with it when cursor tracking is enabled, you are just getting some 
> verbosity about exactly where the cursor is which could be useful if you 
> start using shift and arrow keys to select items on the Safari page. Are 
> there any changes in this output if you turn off cursor tracking, or lower 
> verbosity settings?
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:17 AM, Eric Oyen > <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Well, I upgraded to Catalina today and some things are behaving rather oddly 
>> now.
>> 
>> In terminal (which I often use for some types of file operations and a few 
>> of the macports I like to have) whenever I issue a command followed by the 
>> tab key (to complete a filename), it behaves exactly like I had issued a 
>> backslash on the line and becomes non-responsive. No amount of hitting enter 
>> gets around it. The command will not run and the only way to return to the 
>> terminal prompt is by issuing ctrl-c.
>> 
>> This happens always after the first initial command (ls works until this 
>> happens, same with mv, rm, and some others). I have already sent a message 
>> to apple accessibility detailing some of the problems. Hopefully, they will 
>> forward it to the proper dept.
>> 
>> Now, in other apps.
>> Safari: when reading on a site like fanfiction.net <http://fanfiction.net/>, 
>> I keep getting a strange interruption while reading text. It ends each line 
>> with the announcement “insertion between character A and B where A or B is 
>> any of the characters. This is rather annoying and I have yet to figure out 
>> how to make this behavior stop or correct it. I am haveing serious thought 
>> to rolling back to the previous OS.
>> 
>> Mail: so far, I haven’t found anything amiss with this application. It 
>> appears to function as required with no errors that I have run into, yet.
>> 
>> There are a number of other apps I use on here and I haven’t tried them yet. 
>> I wonder just how many errors in the OS I am going to find before this is 
>> done?
>> 
>> -Eric
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Some strange behavior after upgrading to catalina

[Eric Oyen]

Hello all,
Well, I upgraded to Catalina today and some things are behaving rather oddly 
now.

In terminal (which I often use for some types of file operations and a few of 
the macports I like to have) whenever I issue a command followed by the tab key 
(to complete a filename), it behaves exactly like I had issued a backslash on 
the line and becomes non-responsive. No amount of hitting enter gets around it. 
The command will not run and the only way to return to the terminal prompt is 
by issuing ctrl-c.

This happens always after the first initial command (ls works until this 
happens, same with mv, rm, and some others). I have already sent a message to 
apple accessibility detailing some of the problems. Hopefully, they will 
forward it to the proper dept.

Now, in other apps.
Safari: when reading on a site like fanfiction.net, I keep getting a strange 
interruption while reading text. It ends each line with the announcement 
“insertion between character A and B where A or B is any of the characters. 
This is rather annoying and I have yet to figure out how to make this behavior 
stop or correct it. I am haveing serious thought to rolling back to the 
previous OS.

Mail: so far, I haven’t found anything amiss with this application. It appears 
to function as required with no errors that I have run into, yet.

There are a number of other apps I use on here and I haven’t tried them yet. I 
wonder just how many errors in the OS I am going to find before this is done?

-Eric
>From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Debugging and development 
>dept.

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Re: Vpn and virtual machines.

[Eric Oyen]

That rather depends on how you have the virtual machine configured. Most 
installations have the VM actually sharing your IP address on the local machine 
using a NAT (Network Address Translation). I used to mess with this technology 
a lot and was actually able to get it to do a number of very specialized 
functions, including taking control of the external network card and 
configuring it, creating an internal bridge that connected several other VM’s 
as well as a secondary network card for the internal lan. The Host OS was 
connected to the virtual bridge and all instances as well as the lan had to go 
through the firewall VM I had setup to monitor traffic and protect from 
external incursions. All of this (including internal DHCP, DNS, WEB servers, 
etc.) were run on a single Tian motherboard with an AMD X2 CPU running at an 
effective clock speed of slightly less than 6 Ghz (3.02 Ghz per core) and with 
1 TB of internal storage across 5 drives (all raid 1) and 64 GB of on board ram 
(the motherboard had 8 slots). That machine is slightly more than 12 years old 
now and is still a beast by today’s standards. I used Ubuntu Linux on a 3.x 
kernel, VmWare server 1.x and 12 separate VM’s on this machine. That machine is 
still in service and has protected my internet connection without fail all 
these years.

The firewall VM is an OpenBSD OS, the web server, DNS, DHCP and even PXE server 
are all Linux, I also hosted a Windows VM supporting windows XP, another for 
Windows 7 and even OS X Leopard.

SO, yeah, I know exactly what this tech can do. I even ran screen readers on 
the relevant operating systems, including the host OS.

VMWare server 1 was easy to work with as the console was fully accessible on 
linux with ORCA. After VMWare transitioned to 2.x and later, they changed the 
console to a java script interface which made accessibility for configuration, 
Maintenance and setup a real pain, if not downright impossible.. Also, just so 
I didn’t have to deal with the performance hit, all the operating systems on 
board had direct access to their own HDD partitions, which were not shared). 
This maximized OS performance and also aided in security isolation.

The PXE server I had running on there used NFS for serving up bootable images 
(linux, windows, OS X) and was also OpenBSD based. So, anyone in the house 
could either use their own OS, or PXE boot into a standardized bootable image 
from my machine.

BTW, I also ran a VPN directly from the firewall instance and everyone inside 
my lan had to go through that VPN to get to the outside world. This allowed me 
to further protect the connection and allow for anonymous surfing of the web.
So, there you have it, I became an expert with this simply by experimenting 
with the technology. :)

-Eric


> On May 19, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I have a new Vpn account from mullvad.net  and they have 
>  a client for the mac.
> If i have the mac client running and start a virtual machine for example in 
> Linux or WIndows.
> Do i need the versions for the virtual machine too?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: Linux [Was: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?]

[Eric Oyen]

Yep, this Mac mini has at least 2 such USB ports. here. Go ahead and send me 
the info. It would be nice to have a document I can refer to hear. :)

-Eric


> On Apr 3, 2019, at 6:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Eric:
> 
> Just a quick note that may be useful ...
> 
> If your Mac provides a USB 3 port, I suggest you can successfully use it
> to run Linux quite successfully at boot time, and even via a vm.
> 
> I have Arch Linux installed on a 256Gb USB flash stick which I picked up
> for around $60 a year or so ago. It's a third boot option for me on my
> Macbook, in addition to native OS X or Windows via Bootcamp. It works well. 
> If you'd like details, I'll happily
> provide those.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Eric Oyen writes:
>> Right now, I don’t happen to have a working linux machine handy. I may have 
>> to assemble one from some spare parts (assuming I have enough parts). Also, 
>> the windows machine I had is currently broken (HDD failure and broken 
>> keyboard). That will take money to fix which I don’t have currently. I might 
>> just borrow a room mates machine and run USB linux on there (Vinux project).
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric!
>>> From what i remember you’re a Linux or uuser.
>>> Have you had a go with Linux to see if this is a mac related issue.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 1 apr. 2019 kl. 03:16 skrev Lorie McCloud :
>>>> 
>>>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>>>> experience but not always. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak 
>>>>> what I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of 
>>>>>> late: edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to 
>>>>>> the screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com 
>>>>>> and their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
>>>>>> today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
>>>>>> input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It 
>>>>>> failed to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I 
>>>>>> even disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room 
>>>>>> mates. He tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still 
>>>>>> wouldn’t accept input.
>>>>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>>>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with 
>>>>>> complete details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even 
>>>>>> read it and there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. 
>>>>>> Some suggestions on that also welcome.
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Right now, I don’t happen to have a working linux machine handy. I may have to 
assemble one from some spare parts (assuming I have enough parts). Also, the 
windows machine I had is currently broken (HDD failure and broken keyboard). 
That will take money to fix which I don’t have currently. I might just borrow a 
room mates machine and run USB linux on there (Vinux project).

-Eric


> On Apr 2, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric!
> From what i remember you’re a Linux or uuser.
> Have you had a go with Linux to see if this is a mac related issue.
> /A
> 
>> 1 apr. 2019 kl. 03:16 skrev Lorie McCloud :
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> Ok,
>>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>>>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
>>>> screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
>>>> their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
>>>> today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
>>>> input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
>>>> to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
>>>> disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
>>>> tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
>>>> accept input.
>>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>>>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>>>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>>>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Well, this is on my Mac mini here using a wired keyboard. I don’t have a 
trackpad here either, just the keyboard. I went back and tried some of the 
other suggestions. No joy on any of it (including option command F5). This 
appears to be a problem on googles end with some non-standard java code 
running. I have found the same situation on sites that use rafflecopter for 
their giveaways. It’s bad when even the webpages on the iPhone render the same 
way and have the same (virtually identical) problem as my Mac mini.

-Eric


> On Apr 1, 2019, at 1:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This is interesting,
> 
> I get a similar issue,
> 
> I can't use my BT keyboard to enter text but I can use the on screen keyboard 
> It normally takes a bit of fiddling to get things to work correctly 
> 
> But I get constant issues / bong noises when trying to type with the bt 
> keyboard 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 2:34 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?
> 
> nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not 
> I interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating 
> this is.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> Ok,
>>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>>>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
>>>> screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
>>>> their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
>>>> today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
>>>> input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
>>>> to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
>>>> disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
>>>> tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
>>>> accept input.
>>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>>>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>>>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>>>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not I 
interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating this 
is.

-Eric


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
> experience but not always. 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
>> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> Ok,
>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their 
>>> account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but 
>>> was unable to complete the process because the edit box to input the 
>>> verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so 
>>> on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the 
>>> screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input 
>>> the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>>> thanks.
>>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Well, in my case, the edit box is empty when I go to review it. And yes, as I 
mentioned, the sighted room mate ran into the same problem, the edit box was 
not accepting any input. Hell, I couldn’t even cut and paste (it would bonk as 
soon as I tried).

-Eric


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> Ok,
>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
>> verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable 
>> to complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code 
>> would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate 
>> browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and 
>> sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the 
>> assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>> thanks.
>> Eric
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How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Ok,
I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: edit 
boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen reader. 
The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable to 
complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code would 
not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate browsers 
(Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and sought help 
from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the assigned edit box 
and it still wouldn’t accept input.

Anyone have any clues how to get around this?

Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some suggestions 
on that also welcome.

thanks.

Eric

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Re: Got my space on the harddisk back.

[Eric Oyen]

Onyx is nice, but how does one get passed the stupid initial opening screen 
that presents no content? I try to navigate in that pane using tab, or VO+right 
or left arrow and all I get for my troubles is the silly bonk. I suspect it’s 
waiting on permissions to be given, but the password dialog that should pop up 
to allow this doesn’t. That basically leaves me with an app and no way to 
interact with it.

-Eric


> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, yes and this is also one of the few accessible cleaning app existing 
> for the mac.
> Onyx is also a very very good alternative.
> /A
> 
>> 9 mars 2019 kl. 16:25 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>>  Sometimes one must take those reviews with a grain of salt. I run the app 
>> weekly, have been for probably 3-4 years;
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 3/9/2019 5:19 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I read bad reviews on clean my mac x here in Sweden.
>>> But i seldom use clean my mac as my computer normally works quet well 
>>> anyway.
>>> /A
 8 mars 2019 kl. 23:29 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
  The trash is always the suspect when space seems to be in short supply. 
 If CleanMyMac is not dumping trash then I would go look at it and find out 
 why its not doing it. I use the app al the time and ti never fails.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
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> Hi!
> I really don’t know what i actually did but it seems that i got the 
> missing space back on my macintosh hd.
> Today i had only 45 Gig left and now i have 453 gig left.
> It seems that when i i opened the trash folder i found that it was not 
> empty so i emtying the trash and seem to have made the trick.
> So i did this manually and not with the cleanmymac app which i have done 
> this with before.
> Seems i can’t rely on that app much.
> But i am really happy now to have all this space back.
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Re: best harddrive cloning software?

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
If both drives are the same size in amount of available storage space, then a 
simple command line tool called dd will work just nicely.
You can clone the entire drive (including boot sector, partition tables and 
even the partitions themselves) in one fell swoop.

This command should do the trick, but you will need to do it from a booted usb 
stick so as to not run into the dreaded “resource busy” error.
Dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1M

The above assumes that the drive you wish to clone from is SDA and the drive 
you wish to clone too is SDB.


Another program that works nicely and is fully accessible is carbon copy 
cloner. It’s not freeware, but worth every penny.

Hope this helps.

-Eric


> On Mar 6, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Trahern Culver  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I’m looking to clone my old external hard drive to my new external 
> hard drive what program would you all recommend for this? I know there are 
> some accessible hard drive cloners but I’m wondering which one would be best 
> for this use case and why?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trey.
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Re: Mac OS Accessible DVD Ripper Recommendation Request

[Eric Oyen]

handbrake.
It’s available via the App Store I think. If not, it is still an open source 
project.

-Eric


> On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:38 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I need to rip a DRM-free, home video from a DVD.
> 
> What is the name of a good, free if possible, VoiceOver accessible DVD
> ripper for Mac OS?
> 
> I know there is one that many recommend but, for the life of me, I cannot
> recall it's name.
> 
> Also, if you could tell me from where to download it, I would be most
> grateful.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, they 
would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher with at 
least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, bring back 
licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a supported 
hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just under $30 and 
still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is similar to the 
windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more limited (like 
certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard combos, sound 
devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here using OS X 
Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right hardware (like 
an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu (pre i5) on an ASUS 
IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro device with built-in 
Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here and I use it for some 
things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is still a beast (it can run 
the latest world of warships or world of tanks and can even handle the latest 
world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it when his windows machine can’t 
handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine that’s 10 years old! :)

Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
their current business model without some significant changes.

-Eric


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
> 
> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
> 
> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
> follow with the injanuity!
> There is still time to find that missing link.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next 
> year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more 
> than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to 
> support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account 
> isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this 
> together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But 
> if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of 
>> the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded 
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>> about 35% from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's 
>> a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 

Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
Here is a list from Newegg of 36 different external RAID enclosures compatible 
with USB 3.x. Note, these are expensive and do not include drives (you will 
have to purchase those separately)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=external%20raid%20usb=ENE

This does give you an idea of cost.

-Eric


> On Dec 19, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And to be safe or double safe the best ones to use are:
>  
> Raid 1 mirroring,
> That way if a disk dies you have a copy.
>  
> Raid 5, 
> However I say minimum 5 disks that way if a disk dies you still have a 
> functioning array if a second disk dies then your in a state of what’s known 
> as stuffed.although still functioning.
>  
>  
> Raid 6 is the same as 5 but with one more safety drive.
>  
> Raid 10 although the costly option still what I call the best option your 
> covered very well
>  
> And I highly suggest hardware raid over software raid,
>  
> The hardware opton to me gives better options for recovery or getting things 
> back on line.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2018 2:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?
>  
> 1. Concatenation? That's the same thing as striping, and there is no such 
> official RAID level called concatenation. The correct designations of RAID 
> levels are:
> 
>  
> 
> list of 5 items
> • RAID 0 (Disk striping): RAID 0 splits data across any number of disks 
> allowing higher data throughput. ... (Sounds like concatenation, doesn't it?)
> • RAID 1 (Disk Mirroring): ... Replicates or "shadows" volumes for failover 
> protection; if one disk fails, the volume remains intact and accessible.
> • RAID 5 (Striping with parity): ... 
> • RAID 6 (Striping with double parity): ... 
> • RAID 10 (Striping + Mirroring):
> list end
> 
>  
> 
> "Raid 10" is a misnomer. Its proper notation is RAID 1+0--mirroring plus 
> striping.
> 
>  
> 
> 2. RAID 5 and 6 are not a simple concatenation of disk space, like striping 
> is. A RAID 5 set consists of a minimum of three disks, one of which does not 
> contain any usable data. It is the disk that contains the checksum 
> information to recreate data in the event that any disk in the set is lost or 
> damaged. Therefore, the size of a RAID 5 set is equal to the value (n minus 
> 1) times the size of the smallest disk in the set. RAID 6 is the same as RAID 
> 5, but with an additional checksum disk, giving extra redundancy and 
> protection in case of failure. Synology is famous for using RAID 6, although 
> they call their version something else, and if I remember correctly, they say 
> it is not compatible with what most would call true RAID 6.
> 
>  
> 
> 3. Striping (RAID level 0) is the most dangerous kind of RAID arrangement on 
> which to rely totally because if you lose one disk, you lose it all. If I 
> were you, I'd seriously rethink that stripe set of yours.
> 
>  
> 
> 4. Don't combine striping and mirroring. It's inefficient, and could cost you 
> if you do it the wrong way. Plus, whether it's a mirrored stripe set or a 
> striped mirror, you're getting the space from  only half the disks used. 
> Choose RAID 5 instead; then you'll be getting the disk space from n-minus-1 
> times the size of the smallest disk (see above), and you can always add more, 
> one at a time, unlike a mirrored stripe or striped mirror, where you'll have 
> to add two disks at a time.
> 
>  
> 
> HTH
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/16/2018 1:28 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: 
> Well, I have found that to keep the prices down (IOW, keep your wallet from 
> going nuclear), it would probably be best to get several of the smaller 
> drives (like 4TB) and then raid them together . This will not only allow you 
> a larger filesystem, but also increased performance. Striping raid is best 
> for performance, while mirroring allows for complete redundant backup with a 
> CRC failover. I have several 3 TB externals. Here all in raid 1 (striping), 
> which gives me an effective 12 TB external with the max performance bandwidth 
> that USB 3 can provide (it’s not as fast as the 3GPS SATA drives, but it’s 
> more than fast enough).
>  
> Now, there are three methods of raid you need to be aware of (2 of which I 
> just mentioned):
> 1. Striping
> 2. Mirroring
> 3. Concatenation
>  
> The third one above simply allows you to append 1 drive to another. This is 
> also the easiest method to use if you sim

Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?

[Eric Oyen]

I was using the literal definition (to append linearly) Striping places a 
cylinder of each drive in order after the previous from another drive. It’s a 
bit different from simply appending a drive into the filesystem.

Thanks for the correction though.

Btw, trying to recover files from a striped raid is a real pain in the A$$ 
because of how files are written in the filesystem. Basically, if you lose any 
1 drive in that type of raid, you are effectively screwed. That’s the nice 
thing about mirroring. It creates a mirrored image on another drive of 
identical specification and then writes a CRC checksum to a primary drive (if 
all you have is 3, then the primary is drive 1 and the two mirrored are 2 and 3 
respectively. When adding to such a raid, you must always add 2 drives. Btw, if 
1 drive (other than the CRC drive) Fails, then recovery is as simple as 
removing the bad drive, inserting new and issuing the mirror command.

Anyway, that’s about the extent of my knowledge (I have used raid partitions 
before, but right now, I don’t have 1 setup.)

-Eric


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> 1. Concatenation? That's the same thing as striping, and there is no such 
> official RAID level called concatenation. The correct designations of RAID 
> levels are:
> 
> 
> 
> list of 5 items
> • RAID 0 (Disk striping): RAID 0 splits data across any number of disks 
> allowing higher data throughput. ... (Sounds like concatenation, doesn't it?)
> • RAID 1 (Disk Mirroring): ... Replicates or "shadows" volumes for failover 
> protection; if one disk fails, the volume remains intact and accessible.
> • RAID 5 (Striping with parity): ... 
> • RAID 6 (Striping with double parity): ... 
> • RAID 10 (Striping + Mirroring):
> list end
> 
> 
> 
> "Raid 10" is a misnomer. Its proper notation is RAID 1+0--mirroring plus 
> striping.
> 
> 
> 
> 2. RAID 5 and 6 are not a simple concatenation of disk space, like striping 
> is. A RAID 5 set consists of a minimum of three disks, one of which does not 
> contain any usable data. It is the disk that contains the checksum 
> information to recreate data in the event that any disk in the set is lost or 
> damaged. Therefore, the size of a RAID 5 set is equal to the value (n minus 
> 1) times the size of the smallest disk in the set. RAID 6 is the same as RAID 
> 5, but with an additional checksum disk, giving extra redundancy and 
> protection in case of failure. Synology is famous for using RAID 6, although 
> they call their version something else, and if I remember correctly, they say 
> it is not compatible with what most would call true RAID 6.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Striping (RAID level 0) is the most dangerous kind of RAID arrangement on 
> which to rely totally because if you lose one disk, you lose it all. If I 
> were you, I'd seriously rethink that stripe set of yours.
> 
> 
> 
> 4. Don't combine striping and mirroring. It's inefficient, and could cost you 
> if you do it the wrong way. Plus, whether it's a mirrored stripe set or a 
> striped mirror, you're getting the space from  only half the disks used. 
> Choose RAID 5 instead; then you'll be getting the disk space from n-minus-1 
> times the size of the smallest disk (see above), and you can always add more, 
> one at a time, unlike a mirrored stripe or striped mirror, where you'll have 
> to add two disks at a time.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/16/2018 1:28 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have found that to keep the prices down (IOW, keep your wallet from 
>> going nuclear), it would probably be best to get several of the smaller 
>> drives (like 4TB) and then raid them together . This will not only allow you 
>> a larger filesystem, but also increased performance. Striping raid is best 
>> for performance, while mirroring allows for complete redundant backup with a 
>> CRC failover. I have several 3 TB externals. Here all in raid 1 (striping), 
>> which gives me an effective 12 TB external with the max performance 
>> bandwidth that USB 3 can provide (it’s not as fast as the 3GPS SATA drives, 
>> but it’s more than fast enough).
>> 
>> Now, there are three methods of raid you need to be aware of (2 of which I 
>> just mentioned):
>> 1. Striping
>> 2. Mirroring
>> 3. Concatenation
>> 
>> The third one above simply allows you to append 1 drive to another. This is 
>> also the easiest method to use if you simply want to add more drives to the 
>> raid. It doesn’t have the performance of striping or the redundancy 
>> of mirroring, but as a simple large drive, it works ok.
>> 
>> Basically, it’s up to you what you want to use. Just bear in mind, none of 
&g

Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
Where to start is with Disk Utility. It has a raid creator in it. However, a 
little reading on raid and what it’s used for can be found here:
PDF RAID Utility User Guide - Apple Inc. 
<https://www.apple.com/xserve/pdf/RAID_Utility_User_Guide.pdf>

-Eric


> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so  much for that
> I will get another 4 TB Hard today.
> but can you tell me please, where can i start?
> \
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Eric Oyen > <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> No. Both drives have to be the same size for any type of raid. It’s a 
>> requirement of the specification.
>> 
>> Mixing differing sized drives in the same raid causes big problems (usually 
>> with cylinder allocation, numbering and other issues). Also, if the smallest 
>> drive is the first in the raid, any extra space on the larger drives will be 
>> ignored and only the space of the smaller drive will be allocated on the 
>> others. That means a lot of wasted space. It doesn’t matter which method of 
>> raid you use, this will be true regardless. Best to have all drives the same 
>> size.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aha, most of my data i need them badly will be more than that.
>>> but, i have an idea.
>>> I have my 4 Tb HD, and another 1 with 2 TB of data,
>>> can i use them together but not at the same time?
>>> I mean that i will make my backup every friday, can i connect the 2 HDs and 
>>> ask the time machine to use them for ba backing my data?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Officially, yes.  Unofficially, it all depends on how much data you 
>>>> currently have.  Each of your externals may hold up to a TB, but how much 
>>>> data is actually stored on them?  Add up the amount of data, then multiply 
>>>> it by 1.5.  If that is more than 4 TB, then you're probably able to use 
>>>> the 4 TB HD as your backup drive.  If your total without multiplication is 
>>>> already over 4 TB, then you're out of luck.  You cannot back up 6 TB onto 
>>>> a 4 TB drive no matter what solution you find.  Compression won't help.  
>>>> You might be able to use a combination of solutions.  That is, use iCloud 
>>>> Drive to store your Desktop and Documents folder from the computer itself, 
>>>> then use the 4 TB drive just to back up the externals.  Either way, if you 
>>>> do have 8 TB of actual data, then you need 12 to 16 TB of available space 
>>>> to do a reliable backup.  Realize that the first backup would likely be 10 
>>>> to 11 TB on an 8 TB source, then you need free space for subsequent 
>>>> backups.  Otherwise, you're just keeping a backup for a very short time 
>>>> and the older data is purged very quickly, which makes your recovery 
>>>> options very limited.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 02:49, Ramy Moustafa >>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Aha i understand now.
>>>> but all my external HDs will be more than 4 TB, and i will not be able to 
>>>> buy 8 TB HD.
>>>> All my data now are 8 TB storage, so, must i buy 16 TB hard drive?
>>>> so, what will be teh 2nd solution?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, it can be just one backup volume.  First limitation is that the 
>>>>> backup volume should be about twice as big as the data being stored.  So, 
>>>>> if you have less than 2 TB of data that needs backed up, then a 4 TB Time 
>>>>> Machine backup volume is perfect.  If the total is greater than that, you 
>>>>> might be fine, but the backup may run out of space too quickly.  All that 
>>>>> out of the way, you just go into your Time Machine pane in System Pre

Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?

[Eric Oyen]

No. Both drives have to be the same size for any type of raid. It’s a 
requirement of the specification.

Mixing differing sized drives in the same raid causes big problems (usually 
with cylinder allocation, numbering and other issues). Also, if the smallest 
drive is the first in the raid, any extra space on the larger drives will be 
ignored and only the space of the smaller drive will be allocated on the 
others. That means a lot of wasted space. It doesn’t matter which method of 
raid you use, this will be true regardless. Best to have all drives the same 
size.

-Eric


> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Aha, most of my data i need them badly will be more than that.
> but, i have an idea.
> I have my 4 Tb HD, and another 1 with 2 TB of data,
> can i use them together but not at the same time?
> I mean that i will make my backup every friday, can i connect the 2 HDs and 
> ask the time machine to use them for ba backing my data?
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Officially, yes.  Unofficially, it all depends on how much data you 
>> currently have.  Each of your externals may hold up to a TB, but how much 
>> data is actually stored on them?  Add up the amount of data, then multiply 
>> it by 1.5.  If that is more than 4 TB, then you're probably able to use the 
>> 4 TB HD as your backup drive.  If your total without multiplication is 
>> already over 4 TB, then you're out of luck.  You cannot back up 6 TB onto a 
>> 4 TB drive no matter what solution you find.  Compression won't help.  You 
>> might be able to use a combination of solutions.  That is, use iCloud Drive 
>> to store your Desktop and Documents folder from the computer itself, then 
>> use the 4 TB drive just to back up the externals.  Either way, if you do 
>> have 8 TB of actual data, then you need 12 to 16 TB of available space to do 
>> a reliable backup.  Realize that the first backup would likely be 10 to 11 
>> TB on an 8 TB source, then you need free space for subsequent backups.  
>> Otherwise, you're just keeping a backup for a very short time and the older 
>> data is purged very quickly, which makes your recovery options very limited.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 02:49, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Aha i understand now.
>> but all my external HDs will be more than 4 TB, and i will not be able to 
>> buy 8 TB HD.
>> All my data now are 8 TB storage, so, must i buy 16 TB hard drive?
>> so, what will be teh 2nd solution?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> No, it can be just one backup volume.  First limitation is that the backup 
>>> volume should be about twice as big as the data being stored.  So, if you 
>>> have less than 2 TB of data that needs backed up, then a 4 TB Time Machine 
>>> backup volume is perfect.  If the total is greater than that, you might be 
>>> fine, but the backup may run out of space too quickly.  All that out of the 
>>> way, you just go into your Time Machine pane in System Prefs, press the 
>>> Options button and make sure that none of your external drives are excluded 
>>> from the backup.  Essentially, that's all you need to do.  Leave all drives 
>>> connected all the time and let Time Machine do its thing automatically.  
>>> Note that the first backup may take days as the data is being prepared for 
>>> and backed up to the new drive.  All subsequent backups should be much 
>>> faster.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 06:32, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My friends:
>>> I finally got 4 tb hard disk, that i plan to use it for weekly backup,
>>> I have more than 3 hard disks that i hope to backup them on this hd, so, 
>>> must i divide this new hd to 3 volumes to use time machines?
>>> or what is the best thing?
>>> Thanks for helping.Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: twitter client for Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Well, I use night owl myself. It’s a simple interface design that works well 
with screen readers. There are some things it can’t do, but those are small 
sacrifices

I haven’t tried any of the other twitter clients that might still be available 
for the Mac.

-Eric


> On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
>  
> My new Macbook air 2018 with 16GB ram and 512GB SSd came. It is so fast 
> compaired to the MBP 2010 LOL. So, what twitter client is the best to use now?
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
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