Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-29 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
This problem has fixed itself.
It was a problem with gmail.
i use imap.
thanks for all of your help

Mihael

> On 29 Apr 2018, at 6:45 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Late in answering but have you got your mail client set to keep copies on the 
> server?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: Friday, 27 April 2018 1:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in 
> apple mail?
> 
> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's "All 
> mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not delete them 
> directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash folder. This 
> has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
>> now.
>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
>> time back in my inbox.
>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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RE: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-29 Thread Simon Fogarty 
Late in answering but have you got your mail client set to keep copies on the 
server?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2018 1:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in 
apple mail?

It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client sends 
the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it correctly, and 
they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's "All mail" folder. 
The only way to make messages die forever is to not delete them directly, but 
move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash folder. This has worked for 
me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.


On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> hey,
> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week now.
> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
> time back in my inbox.
> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-28 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
well it has not been to bad today so i may just have to wate it out.

> On 28 Apr 2018, at 2:50 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There's got to be something causing a conflict.  Sometimes these sorts of 
> conflicts take more time to figure out than just wiping and reinstalling like 
> you're suggesting.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 16:54, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> i've done all this and still nothing.
> I think the next step is a reformat because clearly something is going on.
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 8:47 am, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's going on for you.  It sounds like your settings are 
>> correct.  Since it is an iMap account, you could safely remove the account 
>> from the Internet Accounts pane of System Prefs, quit System Prefs to ensure 
>> everything is "killed", then go back into System Prefs, Internet Accounts 
>> and re-add the Gmail account.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 17:51, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> mine is set to a week for removing messages.
>> This is a new problem at my end, until recently it has worked very well.
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:42 am, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to 
>>> work properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving 
>>> of messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted 
>>> messages?  Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically 
>>> for my G Suite account.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
>>> think i should change them?
>>> Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
>>> something.
>>> 
 On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
 Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
 MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is 
 your Archive Mailbox set to?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall > wrote:
 
 hey,
 Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
 It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
 
> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura  > wrote:
> 
> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in 
> I don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email 
> client sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't 
> handle it correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time 
> in Gmail's "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever 
> is to not delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then 
> empty that trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and 
> Thunderbird on Windows.
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a 
>> week now.
>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the 
>> last time back in my inbox.
>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

There's got to be something causing a conflict.  Sometimes these sorts of 
conflicts take more time to figure out than just wiping and reinstalling like 
you're suggesting.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2018, at 16:54, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
i've done all this and still nothing.
I think the next step is a reformat because clearly something is going on.

> On 28 Apr 2018, at 8:47 am, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure what's going on for you.  It sounds like your settings are 
> correct.  Since it is an iMap account, you could safely remove the account 
> from the Internet Accounts pane of System Prefs, quit System Prefs to ensure 
> everything is "killed", then go back into System Prefs, Internet Accounts and 
> re-add the Gmail account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 17:51, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> mine is set to a week for removing messages.
> This is a new problem at my end, until recently it has worked very well.
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:42 am, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to 
>> work properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving 
>> of messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted 
>> messages?  Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically 
>> for my G Suite account.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
>> think i should change them?
>> Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
>> something.
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
>>> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
>>> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
>>> Archive Mailbox set to?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
>>> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
>>> 
 On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura > wrote:
 
 It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in 
 I don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
 sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
 correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
 "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
 delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that 
 trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on 
 Windows.
 
 
 On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> hey,
> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
> now.
> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
> time back in my inbox.
> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
> 
> Michael
> 
 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-27 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
i've done all this and still nothing.
I think the next step is a reformat because clearly something is going on.

> On 28 Apr 2018, at 8:47 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure what's going on for you.  It sounds like your settings are 
> correct.  Since it is an iMap account, you could safely remove the account 
> from the Internet Accounts pane of System Prefs, quit System Prefs to ensure 
> everything is "killed", then go back into System Prefs, Internet Accounts and 
> re-add the Gmail account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 17:51, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> mine is set to a week for removing messages.
> This is a new problem at my end, until recently it has worked very well.
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:42 am, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to 
>> work properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving 
>> of messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted 
>> messages?  Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically 
>> for my G Suite account.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
>> think i should change them?
>> Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
>> something.
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
>>> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
>>> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
>>> Archive Mailbox set to?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
>>> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
>>> 
 On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura > wrote:
 
 It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in 
 I don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
 sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
 correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
 "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
 delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that 
 trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on 
 Windows.
 
 
 On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> hey,
> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
> now.
> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
> time back in my inbox.
> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
> 
> Michael
> 
 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

I'm not sure what's going on for you.  It sounds like your settings are 
correct.  Since it is an iMap account, you could safely remove the account from 
the Internet Accounts pane of System Prefs, quit System Prefs to ensure 
everything is "killed", then go back into System Prefs, Internet Accounts and 
re-add the Gmail account.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 26, 2018, at 17:51, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
mine is set to a week for removing messages.
This is a new problem at my end, until recently it has worked very well.

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:42 am, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to work 
> properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving of 
> messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted 
> messages?  Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically 
> for my G Suite account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
> think i should change them?
> Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
> something.
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
>> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
>> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
>> Archive Mailbox set to?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
>> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
>> 
>>> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
>>> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
>>> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
>>> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
>>> "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
>>> delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that 
>>> trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on 
>>> Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 hey,
 i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
 now.
 when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
 time back in my inbox.
 Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
 there is a problem with gmail and imap.
 Anyone else on here having similar issues?
 
 Michael
 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
mine is set to a week for removing messages.
This is a new problem at my end, until recently it has worked very well.

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:42 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to work 
> properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving of 
> messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted 
> messages?  Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically 
> for my G Suite account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
> think i should change them?
> Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
> something.
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
>> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
>> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
>> Archive Mailbox set to?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
>> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
>> 
>>> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
>>> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
>>> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
>>> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
>>> "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
>>> delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that 
>>> trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on 
>>> Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 hey,
 i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
 now.
 when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
 time back in my inbox.
 Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
 there is a problem with gmail and imap.
 Anyone else on here having similar issues?
 
 Michael
 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

No, not necessarily.  They sound like the correct locations for Gmail to work 
properly.  I'm assuming that you meant GMail/AllMail for the archiving of 
messages.  What is the setting for how long before it removes deleted messages? 
 Mine is set at one month for the Gmail account and Automatically for my G 
Suite account.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:25, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
think i should change them?
Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
something.

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
> Archive Mailbox set to?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
>> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
>> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
>> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
>> "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
>> delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash 
>> folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
>>> now.
>>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
>>> time back in my inbox.
>>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
trash email is set to gmail trash and archive is set to all mail.
think i should change them?
Even loading times have become ridiculously slow of late, I have to do 
something.

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 1:00 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
> Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the 
> MailBox Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your 
> Archive Mailbox set to?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> hey,
> Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
> It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
>> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
>> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
>> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's 
>> "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not 
>> delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash 
>> folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
>>> now.
>>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
>>> time back in my inbox.
>>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

I use iMap with multiple Google accounts and I'm not seeing this.  In the 
Accounts pane of Mail Prefs, select your Gmail account, then select the MailBox 
Behaviours tab.  What is your Trash Mailbox set to and what is your Archive 
Mailbox set to?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 26, 2018, at 08:01, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.

> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's "All 
> mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not delete them 
> directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash folder. This 
> has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
>> now.
>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
>> time back in my inbox.
>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
Thanks for the info, I have actually been experimenting with this.
It drives me mad but pop is very hard to get working now.

> On 26 Apr 2018, at 11:50 pm, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and in I 
> don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email client 
> sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't handle it 
> correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time in Gmail's "All 
> mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever is to not delete them 
> directly, but move them to a trash folder, then empty that trash folder. This 
> has worked for me in both Apple Mail and Thunderbird on Windows.
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week 
>> now.
>> when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last 
>> time back in my inbox.
>> Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or 
>> there is a problem with gmail and imap.
>> Anyone else on here having similar issues?
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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Re: anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-26 Thread Steve Matzura 
It's not because of Apple Mail that this happens. For some reason, and 
in I don't know how many years I haven't figured out why, if the email 
client sends the message via iMap to delete messages, Gmail doesn't 
handle it correctly, and they keep coming back. This happens every time 
in Gmail's "All mail" folder. The only way to make messages die forever 
is to not delete them directly, but move them to a trash folder, then 
empty that trash folder. This has worked for me in both Apple Mail and 
Thunderbird on Windows.



On 4/26/2018 12:11 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week now.
when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last time 
back in my inbox.
Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or there 
is a problem with gmail and imap.
Anyone else on here having similar issues?

Michael



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anyone having problems with gmail redownloading old messages in apple mail?

2018-04-25 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
i've been having a very strange problem with mail on mac for about a week now.
when i open mac mail i tend to get older messages that i removed the last time 
back in my inbox.
Either there is something wrong with mail which I'm starting to doubt or there 
is a problem with gmail and imap.
Anyone else on here having similar issues?

Michael

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