RE: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-19 Thread Grant Hardy
Hi Deb,

I'm almost positive FileVault will not continue the encryption/decryption 
process while the computer is asleep. I think the PowerNap technology only 
handles things like updating content from iCloud, app updates, and Time Machine 
backups. Apple says the following: In addition to using your computer while 
encryption is happening, you can sleep, log out and even turn off your computer 
during this time. Encryption continues when your computer is powered on again. 
(Source: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4790)

Encryption is great peace of mind in case your computer is ever lost or stolen, 
or in case you want to sell it or give it away. It's honestly pretty easy to 
use if you take the time to familiarize yourself with the audible beeps (or 
speech feedback, depending on your machine) that VoiceOver delivers to help you 
log in.

That said, of course there's no obligation to use FileVault if you don't like 
it, but the interface Is honestly pretty benign once you've used it for a few 
days.

Cheers,

Granti

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Subject: Re: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

I know this because I just went through it. And yes, then I got rid of it 
because it’s a complete pain. I don’t have anything secure enough to warrant 
it. 
If you have the setting for doing things during sleep checked,it will in fact 
finish the incryption and then subsequent unincription while it sleeps. And 
they’ll both take about the same amount of time I’m sorry to tell you. 
ZM
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list:
 
 After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
 sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files to 
 be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator says it 
 will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I close 
 the lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be left 
 open? I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with the 
 computer when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.
 
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Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-18 Thread Jamie Pauls
Hello, list:

After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files to 
be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator says it 
will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I close the 
lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be left open? 
I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with the computer 
when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.

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Re: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-18 Thread Grant Hardy
I am pretty sure the encryption process would not continue if you allow your 
Mac to sleep. Even if your Macbook supports PowerNap, that technology only 
allows certain activities to occur during sleep, like checking for new mail, 
updating apps, and syncing with iCloud.

Why do you want to turn FileVault off? Are you experiencing issues with it? It 
makes your system quite a bit more secure, so I am definitely an advocate of 
leaving it on.

Grant

On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, list:

After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files to 
be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator says it 
will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I close the 
lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be left open? 
I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with the computer 
when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.

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Re: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-18 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi guys 
I did not know that my Mac was encrypting still when I shut the lid for the 
night. It went to sleep, and the first thing that happened was it wanted power 
to continue encryption. I guess it got done when I put the power on because it 
hasn’t complained any more. I didn’t know what FileVault  was, but it sounded 
important enough to leave alone and say yes to. 

Gigi 

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I am pretty sure the encryption process would not continue if you allow your 
 Mac to sleep. Even if your Macbook supports PowerNap, that technology only 
 allows certain activities to occur during sleep, like checking for new mail, 
 updating apps, and syncing with iCloud.
 
 Why do you want to turn FileVault off? Are you experiencing issues with it? 
 It makes your system quite a bit more secure, so I am definitely an advocate 
 of leaving it on.
 
 Grant
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list:
 
 After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
 sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files to 
 be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator says it 
 will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I close 
 the lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be left 
 open? I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with the 
 computer when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.
 
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Re: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-18 Thread Deb Lewis
I know this because I just went through it. And yes, then I got rid of it 
because it’s a complete pain. I don’t have anything secure enough to warrant 
it. 
If you have the setting for doing things during sleep checked,it will in fact 
finish the incryption and then subsequent unincription while it sleeps. And 
they’ll both take about the same amount of time I’m sorry to tell you. 
ZM
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list:
 
 After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
 sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files to 
 be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator says it 
 will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I close 
 the lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be left 
 open? I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with the 
 computer when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. Thanks.
 
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Re: Question about MacBook Pro Activity with the Lid Closed

2014-10-18 Thread Jamie Pauls
As has been stated by others, I don't have a lot on this computer that is all 
that sensitive, I use it at home, and I am the only one who uses it. FileVault 
does seem more trouble than it's worth.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know this because I just went through it. And yes, then I got rid of it 
 because it’s a complete pain. I don’t have anything secure enough to warrant 
 it. 
 If you have the setting for doing things during sleep checked,it will in fact 
 finish the incryption and then subsequent unincription while it sleeps. And 
 they’ll both take about the same amount of time I’m sorry to tell you. 
 ZM
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, list:
 
 After upgrading to Yosemite, I turned on File Vault for my MacBook Pro. Not 
 sure why I did it, and I plan to turn it off, but I must wait for my files 
 to be encrypted before I can turn File Vault off. The progress indicator 
 says it will take several hours for the encryption process to complete. If I 
 close the lid on my MacBook, will the process continue, or must the lid be 
 left open? I’ve never been totally sure what does and does not happen with 
 the computer when the lid is shut. I would appreciate being enlightened. 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-20 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi yes that is right !
When you open the keyboard Commander there is already some preset options  in 
there! Like right option T [to tell you the time]
Right option s [to launch safari]
and right option [for mail]
And a couple of others!

Also when you open VO utilities' in the general heading you need to scroll to 
the [Allow voice over to be controlled by apple scripts] and check it! this 
will make the saying the time shortcut work better!
And to get to the commanders menu quicker just press command+8 that will take 
you straight to the commanders!

hth Colin

On 20 Apr 2012, at 06:58, Les Kriegler wrote:

 Hi,
 
 When I purchased our iMac, I noticed that by default, right option M launches 
 the Mail Program.
 
 Les
 On Apr 20, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Thanks for the information Mike you don't have to send me any information 
 because Dean has lade it out quite nicely for me.  I will do my homework 
 thanks!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Dean Adams breezepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mickey,
  Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
 utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting 
 with the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar 
 to select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for 
 the keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V 
 O right arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button 
 then you will land on the key you want to select for the process you want 
 e.g. m for mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O 
 Space bar this brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands 
 then V O right arrow to open open application this will open a window where 
 you select the application to open so navigate to mail then stop 
 interacting and V O right arrow to open then you can close the keyboard 
 commanders unless you want to choose another program to open with the 
 keyboard commander I have several of these set for safari mail skype 
 terminal etc.
 Regards Dean
 
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!
 Mickey Quenzer!
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-20 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

and with the keyboard commander on, the default shortcut to launch mail is 
option M.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 There is a short cut for getting mail, it's command shift n, as far as a 
 quick way to launch the mail program, I have a short cut in the doc, so, I 
 press control+f3 to go to the doc, press m for mail, and press enter to 
 launch it, quite fast.
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help! 
 Mickey Quenzer!
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-20 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

just one thing, when in the table in VO utilities, there is no need to interact 
with the table in order to navigate to a category.  in this case, commanders.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:33 AM, Dean Adams breezepa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mickey,
   Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
 utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting 
 with the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar 
 to select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for 
 the keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V O 
 right arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button 
 then you will land on the key you want to select for the process you want 
 e.g. m for mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O Space 
 bar this brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands then V O 
 right arrow to open open application this will open a window where you select 
 the application to open so navigate to mail then stop interacting and V O 
 right arrow to open then you can close the keyboard commanders unless you 
 want to choose another program to open with the keyboard commander I have 
 several of these set for safari mail skype terminal etc.
 Regards Dean
   
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help! 
 Mickey Quenzer!
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-20 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

and although you do need to go to VO utilities/commanders/keyboard to modify 
and add commands, to just turn the commander on/off, you can press control 
option shift K.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 20, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Mickey Quenzer mickey.quen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the information Mike you don't have to send me any information 
 because Dean has lade it out quite nicely for me.  I will do my homework 
 thanks!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Dean Adams breezepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mickey,
   Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
 utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting 
 with the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar 
 to select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for 
 the keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V O 
 right arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button 
 then you will land on the key you want to select for the process you want 
 e.g. m for mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O Space 
 bar this brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands then V O 
 right arrow to open open application this will open a window where you 
 select the application to open so navigate to mail then stop interacting and 
 V O right arrow to open then you can close the keyboard commanders unless 
 you want to choose another program to open with the keyboard commander I 
 have several of these set for safari mail skype terminal etc.
 Regards Dean
 
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!
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question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Hello:
Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.

Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  Also, 
and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?

I still have my pc getting mail for now!
Thanks for any help!
Mickey Quenzer!

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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Mike Arrigo
There is a short cut for getting mail, it's command shift n, as far as a quick 
way to launch the mail program, I have a short cut in the doc, so, I press 
control+f3 to go to the doc, press m for mail, and press enter to launch it, 
quite fast.
On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:

 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!  
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Dean Adams
Hi Mickey,
Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting with 
the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar to 
select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for the 
keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V O right 
arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button then you 
will land on the key you want to select for the process you want e.g. m for 
mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O Space bar this 
brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands then V O right arrow 
to open open application this will open a window where you select the 
application to open so navigate to mail then stop interacting and V O right 
arrow to open then you can close the keyboard commanders unless you want to 
choose another program to open with the keyboard commander I have several of 
these set for safari mail skype terminal etc.
Regards Dean


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On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:

 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!  
 Mickey Quenzer!
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Hi Mike thanks for much I appreciate it can you tell me how to create the  the  
shortcut? thank you

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On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 There is a short cut for getting mail, it's command shift n, as far as a 
 quick way to launch the mail program, I have a short cut in the doc, so, I 
 press control+f3 to go to the doc, press m for mail, and press enter to 
 launch it, quite fast.
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Thanks for the information Mike you don't have to send me any information 
because Dean has lade it out quite nicely for me.  I will do my homework thanks!

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On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Dean Adams breezepa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mickey,
Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
 utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting 
 with the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar 
 to select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for 
 the keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V O 
 right arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button 
 then you will land on the key you want to select for the process you want 
 e.g. m for mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O Space 
 bar this brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands then V O 
 right arrow to open open application this will open a window where you select 
 the application to open so navigate to mail then stop interacting and V O 
 right arrow to open then you can close the keyboard commanders unless you 
 want to choose another program to open with the keyboard commander I have 
 several of these set for safari mail skype terminal etc.
 Regards Dean

 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!
 Mickey Quenzer!
 
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Re: question about Macbook Pro

2012-04-19 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi,

When I purchased our iMac, I noticed that by default, right option M launches 
the Mail Program.

Les
On Apr 20, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:

 Thanks for the information Mike you don't have to send me any information 
 because Dean has lade it out quite nicely for me.  I will do my homework 
 thanks!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Dean Adams breezepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mickey,
   Go to the voice over utility with V O F8 and then interact with the 
 utility catagories then v o down arrow to commanders then stop interacting 
 with the catagories and v o right arrow to keyboard and press V O Space bar 
 to select the keyboard commanders then V O right arrow to the check box for 
 the keyboard commanders and check the box enable keyboard commander then V O 
 right arrow the the add button and V O Space bar to select the add button 
 then you will land on the key you want to select for the process you want 
 e.g. m for mail then V O right arrow to the command menu and press V O Space 
 bar this brings up a list of commands arrow down to custom commands then V O 
 right arrow to open open application this will open a window where you 
 select the application to open so navigate to mail then stop interacting and 
 V O right arrow to open then you can close the keyboard commanders unless 
 you want to choose another program to open with the keyboard commander I 
 have several of these set for safari mail skype terminal etc.
 Regards Dean
 
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 20/04/2012, at 12:43 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Well, this is the first message that I've sent with my MacBook Pro.
 
 Can someone tell me If there is a shortcut key to run the mail program?  
 Also, and is there a shortcut key to get new mail?
 
 I still have my pc getting mail for now!
 Thanks for any help!
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