RE: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
And another one bites the dust.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 7:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

Hi Cara,
Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this list.
I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
over the last year and a half.
People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
petrus.t...@gmail.com<mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>



On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn 
mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
each topic these days has been in fits and starts.

I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent troubling 
thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety 
before I spoke.

Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last couple 
of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.

To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say first 
of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. Every 
race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions 
as well.

this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all attitudes 
and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and 
simple.

Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.

This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
allowed. This is free speech.

However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this list 
as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to share 
their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums in which 
to do so. This list is not one of them.

This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
focused.

If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be respectful 
of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be polite, then 
this list is not the place for you.

Please consider going somewhere else.

Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to foster 
common ground and really help each other move ahead.

We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share 
those too.

We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
That is our purpose.

So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and 
politeness.

It can really go a long way for all of us.

thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
this community that we have all built here.

Let me wish you and yours well.
Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
everyone!

Cheers!

Cara


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RE: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
HI Cara,

Thanks for this and we do understand that you can't always be there to over see 
things as we'd all like.
Take care.


Simon F
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 6:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Cara Quinn 
Subject: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

Hi All,

Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
each topic these days has been in fits and starts.

I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent troubling 
thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety 
before I spoke.

Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last couple 
of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.

To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say first 
of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. Every 
race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions 
as well.

this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all attitudes 
and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and 
simple.

Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.

This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
allowed. This is free speech.

However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this list 
as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to share 
their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums in which 
to do so. This list is not one of them.

This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
focused.

If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be respectful 
of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be polite, then 
this list is not the place for you.

Please consider going somewhere else.

Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to foster 
common ground and really help each other move ahead.

We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share 
those too.

We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
That is our purpose.

So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and 
politeness.

It can really go a long way for all of us.

thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
this community that we have all built here.

Let me wish you and yours well.
Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
everyone!

Cheers!

Cara


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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin 

Oops, I   meant  ThisMessage to be Off the MailingList, MyApologies
At 03:52 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

Is This Mr.Eric i.e., the R  Guy from the MobileApp, Vorail?
Meanin' Back  in May2016 & June2016?
JustWonderin
At 02:11 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

Hmmm.
Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see 
politics, I simply delete and move on. 
Political discussions often devolve into 
meaningless arguments, insults, name calling, 
labeling and argumentative fallacies. I get 
enough of that on Facebook, twitter, tick tock, 
snapchat, what sap, and LinkedIn.


I think the only exception is politics but only 
where apple and it̢۪s products are concerned,



BUT ONLY THAT. Once it goes OT, then that̢۪s



where it needs to end. Mind you, this is just my opinion.

Anyway, don̢۪t drop off the list because of


politics. Simply delete the thread and move on. 
Believe me, it cuts down on the stress and gives you some control.


Just my 2 cents worth.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the 
delay in writing. My keeping up with each 
topic these days has been in fits and starts.

>
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls 
who highlighted the recent troubling thread. 
-And I needed to make sure I read through the 
thread(s) in entirety before I spoke.

>
> Regrettably, we have people who have either 
left this list over the last couple of days or 
those who feel that that might be appropriate.

>
> To address at least some of what has 
happened here, I̢۪d just like to say first of all, that


here on this list, everyone is viewed and 
treated equally. Every race, creed and color is 
equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions as well.

>
> this does not mean however, that this list 
is a place to express all attitudes and 
opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and simple.

>
> Please keep all discussions of politics and 
political themes off this list.

>
> This list is also no place for deliberately 
inflammatory speech. What this means, is that 
in the case of signatures, if someone has a 
sig that simplly states how they personally 
feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is allowed. This is free speech.

>
> However, if that signature is being used as 
a way to get a public message out without 
actually coming right out and saying that 
message; and using this list as a vehicle to 
do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

>
> There is enough going on in the world today 
that people who would like to share their 
political views in discussion or debate should 
have ample forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.

>
> This list is a technology list so that is 
where our discussions should be focused.

>
> If you feel you need to get a message out or 
feel that you cannot be respectful of others 
and their experiences or cannot at the very 
least, be polite, then this list is not the place for you.

>
> Please consider going somewhere else.
>
> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write 
them off-list. Please, whenever possible, be 
constructive and help de-escalate 
disagreements. We need to foster common ground 
and really help each other move ahead.

>
> We are all users of Apple products here with 
certain needs in our daily usage of these 
products. We share these needs as well as the 
daily victories that these products enable us 
to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share those too.

>
> We are one community here and even though 
this is just a mailing list in the grand 
scheme of things, we each provide help and 
support to each other here. That is our purpose.

>
> So please keep this in mind when we write to 
each other here. Please bear in mind that we 
are people here; we all have lives and 
stories. We are much more than screen names. 
Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and politeness.

>
> It can really go a long way for all of us.
>
> thank you all so much for reading this. 
Please know that I appreciate you and this 
community that we have all built here.

>
> Let me wish you and yours well.
> Please have a great holiday for those who 
celebrate and a great weekend for everyone!

>
> Cheers!
>
> Cara
>
>
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin 

Is This Mr.Eric i.e., the R  Guy from the MobileApp, Vorail?
Meanin' Back  in May2016 & June2016?
JustWonderin
At 02:11 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

Hmmm.
Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see 
politics, I simply delete and move on. Political 
discussions often devolve into meaningless 
arguments, insults, name calling, labeling and 
argumentative fallacies. I get enough of that on 
Facebook, twitter, tick tock, snapchat, what sap, and LinkedIn.


I think the only exception is politics but only 
where apple and it’s products are concerned, 
BUT ONLY THAT. Once it goes OT, then that’s 
where it needs to end. Mind you, this is just my opinion.


Anyway, don’t drop off the list because of 
politics. Simply delete the thread and move on. 
Believe me, it cuts down on the stress and gives you some control.


Just my 2 cents worth.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the 
delay in writing. My keeping up with each topic 
these days has been in fits and starts.

>
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who 
highlighted the recent troubling thread. -And I 
needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety before I spoke.

>
> Regrettably, we have people who have either 
left this list over the last couple of days or 
those who feel that that might be appropriate.

>
> To address at least some of what has happened 
here, I’d just like to say first of all, that 
here on this list, everyone is viewed and 
treated equally. Every race, creed and color is 
equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions as well.

>
> this does not mean however, that this list is 
a place to express all attitudes and opinions., 
This list is no place for political discussions, plain and simple.

>
> Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
>
> This list is also no place for deliberately 
inflammatory speech. What this means, is that 
in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig 
that simplly states how they personally feel 
and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is allowed. This is free speech.

>
> However, if that signature is being used as a 
way to get a public message out without 
actually coming right out and saying that 
message; and using this list as a vehicle to do 
so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

>
> There is enough going on in the world today 
that people who would like to share their 
political views in discussion or debate should 
have ample forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.

>
> This list is a technology list so that is 
where our discussions should be focused.

>
> If you feel you need to get a message out or 
feel that you cannot be respectful of others 
and their experiences or cannot at the very 
least, be polite, then this list is not the place for you.

>
> Please consider going somewhere else.
>
> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write 
them off-list. Please, whenever possible, be 
constructive and help de-escalate 
disagreements. We need to foster common ground 
and really help each other move ahead.

>
> We are all users of Apple products here with 
certain needs in our daily usage of these 
products. We share these needs as well as the 
daily victories that these products enable us 
to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share those too.

>
> We are one community here and even though 
this is just a mailing list in the grand scheme 
of things, we each provide help and support to 
each other here. That is our purpose.

>
> So please keep this in mind when we write to 
each other here. Please bear in mind that we 
are people here; we all have lives and stories. 
We are much more than screen names. Please 
remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and politeness.

>
> It can really go a long way for all of us.
>
> thank you all so much for reading this. 
Please know that I appreciate you and this 
community that we have all built here.

>
> Let me wish you and yours well.
> Please have a great holiday for those who 
celebrate and a great weekend for everyone!

>
> Cheers!
>
> Cara
>
>
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin 

I'm not Leavin' this MailingList

At 01:12 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
I didn't follow that thread so I'm not leaving. 
I have my opinions like everybody else but there 
are plenty of other places to express those.


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:08 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' 
via MacVisionaries  wrote:

>
> I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would 
be a sad day.  We should be helping each other 
and not fighting.  There’s enough sadness in 
the world with the virus and other things happening.

>
> Kawal.
>
>> On 2 Jul 2020, at 20:34, 'E.T.' via 
MacVisionaries  wrote:

>>
>>  Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Freedom of Speech Carries With
>> It Implicit Responsibility.
>>
>> On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi Cara,
>>> Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I 
don’t think I can remain on this list.
>>> I’d like to say thank you to all of those 
people that helped me with my Mac over the last year and a half.

>>> People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
>>> petrus.t...@gmail.com 
 On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn 
mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:


 Hi All,

 Firstly, please let me apologize for the 
delay in writing. My keeping up with each topic 
these days has been in fits and starts.


 I want to thank a hand full of kind souls 
who highlighted the recent troubling thread. 
-And I needed to make sure I read through the 
thread(s) in entirety before I spoke.


 Regrettably, we have people who have 
either left this list over the last couple of 
days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.


 To address at least some of what has 
happened here, I’d just like to say first of 
all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed 
and treated equally. Every race, creed and 
color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions as well.


 this does not mean however, that this list 
is a place to express all attitudes and 
opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and simple.


 Please keep all discussions of politics 
and political themes off this list.


 This list is also no place for 
deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
means, is that in the case of signatures, if 
someone has a sig that simplly states how they 
personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, 
then that sig is allowed. This is free speech.


 However, if that signature is being used 
as a way to get a public message out without 
actually coming right out and saying that 
message; and using this list as a vehicle to do 
so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.


 There is enough going on in the world 
today that people who would like to share their 
political views in discussion or debate should 
have ample forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.


 This list is a technology list so that is 
where our discussions should be focused.


 If you feel you need to get a message out 
or feel that you cannot be respectful of others 
and their experiences or cannot at the very 
least, be polite, then this list is not the place for you.


 Please consider going somewhere else.

 Lastly, if someone offends you, please 
write them off-list. Please, whenever possible, 
be constructive and help de-escalate 
disagreements. We need to foster common ground 
and really help each other move ahead.


 We are all users of Apple products here 
with certain needs in our daily usage of these 
products. We share these needs as well as the 
daily victories that these products enable us 
to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share those too.


 We are one community here and even though 
this is just a mailing list in the grand scheme 
of things, we each provide help and support to 
each other here. That is our purpose.


 So please keep this in mind when we write 
to each other here. Please bear in mind that we 
are people here; we all have lives and stories. 
We are much more than screen names. Please 
remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and politeness.


 It can really go a long way for all of us.

 thank you all so much for reading this. 
Please know that I appreciate you and this 
community that we have all built here.


 Let me wish you and yours well.
 Please have a great holiday for those who 
celebrate and a great weekend for everyone!


 Cheers!

 Cara


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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Eric Oyen 
Hmmm.
Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see politics, I simply delete and 
move on. Political discussions often devolve into meaningless arguments, 
insults, name calling, labeling and argumentative fallacies. I get enough of 
that on Facebook, twitter, tick tock, snapchat, what sap, and LinkedIn.

I think the only exception is politics but only where apple and it’s products 
are concerned, BUT ONLY THAT. Once it goes OT, then that’s where it needs to 
end. Mind you, this is just my opinion.

Anyway, don’t drop off the list because of politics. Simply delete the thread 
and move on. Believe me, it cuts down on the stress and gives you some control.

Just my 2 cents worth.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
> each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
> 
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
> troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in 
> entirety before I spoke.
> 
> Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
> couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
> 
> To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
> first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. 
> Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and 
> opinions as well.
> 
> this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
> attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, 
> plain and simple.
> 
> Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
> 
> This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
> means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
> states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
> allowed. This is free speech.
> 
> However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
> without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this 
> list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
> 
> There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to 
> share their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums 
> in which to do so. This list is not one of them.
> 
> This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
> focused.
> 
> If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
> respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be 
> polite, then this list is not the place for you.
> 
> Please consider going somewhere else.
> 
> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
> possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to 
> foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
> 
> We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
> of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
> these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We 
> share those too.
> 
> We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
> grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
> That is our purpose.
> 
> So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
> mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
> than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect 
> and politeness.
> 
> It can really go a long way for all of us.
> 
> thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
> this community that we have all built here.
> 
> Let me wish you and yours well.
> Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
> everyone!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
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> list.
> 
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> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
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> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen 

And the individual's signature?
Has something been said to them privately?



On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:


I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day.  We should be helping 
each other and not fighting.  There’s enough sadness in the world with the 
virus and other things happening.

Kawal.


On 2 Jul 2020, at 20:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Freedom of Speech Carries With
It Implicit Responsibility.

On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Hi Cara,
Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this list.
I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
over the last year and a half.
People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
petrus.t...@gmail.com 

On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
each topic these days has been in fits and starts.

I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent troubling 
thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety 
before I spoke.

Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last couple 
of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.

To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say first 
of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. Every 
race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions 
as well.

this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all attitudes 
and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and 
simple.

Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.

This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
allowed. This is free speech.

However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this list 
as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to share 
their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums in which 
to do so. This list is not one of them.

This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
focused.

If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be respectful 
of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be polite, then 
this list is not the place for you.

Please consider going somewhere else.

Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to foster 
common ground and really help each other move ahead.

We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share 
those too.

We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
That is our purpose.

So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and 
politeness.

It can really go a long way for all of us.

thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
this community that we have all built here.

Let me wish you and yours well.
Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
everyone!

Cheers!

Cara


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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I didn't follow that thread so I'm not leaving. I have my opinions like 
everybody else but there are plenty of other places to express those.

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:08 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day.  We should be helping 
> each other and not fighting.  There’s enough sadness in the world with the 
> virus and other things happening.  
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2020, at 20:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Freedom of Speech Carries With
>> It Implicit Responsibility.
>> 
>> On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi Cara,
>>> Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this 
>>> list.
>>> I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
>>> over the last year and a half.
>>> People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
>>> petrus.t...@gmail.com 
 On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up 
 with each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
 
 I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
 troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) 
 in entirety before I spoke.
 
 Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
 couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
 
 To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
 first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated 
 equally. Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our 
 attitudes and opinions as well.
 
 this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
 attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, 
 plain and simple.
 
 Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
 
 This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
 means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that 
 simplly states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then 
 that sig is allowed. This is free speech.
 
 However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message 
 out without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using 
 this list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
 
 There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to 
 share their political views in discussion or debate should have ample 
 forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.
 
 This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
 focused.
 
 If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
 respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be 
 polite, then this list is not the place for you.
 
 Please consider going somewhere else.
 
 Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, 
 whenever possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We 
 need to foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
 
 We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily 
 usage of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily 
 victories that these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have 
 set-backs as well. We share those too.
 
 We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in 
 the grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other 
 here. That is our purpose.
 
 So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear 
 in mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are 
 much more than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote 
 dignaty, respect and politeness.
 
 It can really go a long way for all of us.
 
 thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you 
 and this community that we have all built here.
 
 Let me wish you and yours well.
 Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend 
 for everyone!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
 
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day.  We should be helping 
each other and not fighting.  There’s enough sadness in the world with the 
virus and other things happening.  

Kawal.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 20:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Freedom of Speech Carries With
> It Implicit Responsibility.
> 
> On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Hi Cara,
>> Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this 
>> list.
>> I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
>> over the last year and a half.
>> People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
>> petrus.t...@gmail.com 
>>> On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up 
>>> with each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
>>> 
>>> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
>>> troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) 
>>> in entirety before I spoke.
>>> 
>>> Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
>>> couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
>>> 
>>> To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
>>> first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated 
>>> equally. Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our 
>>> attitudes and opinions as well.
>>> 
>>> this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
>>> attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, 
>>> plain and simple.
>>> 
>>> Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
>>> 
>>> This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
>>> means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
>>> states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig 
>>> is allowed. This is free speech.
>>> 
>>> However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message 
>>> out without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using 
>>> this list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
>>> 
>>> There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to 
>>> share their political views in discussion or debate should have ample 
>>> forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.
>>> 
>>> This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
>>> focused.
>>> 
>>> If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
>>> respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be 
>>> polite, then this list is not the place for you.
>>> 
>>> Please consider going somewhere else.
>>> 
>>> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, 
>>> whenever possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We 
>>> need to foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
>>> 
>>> We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily 
>>> usage of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily 
>>> victories that these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have 
>>> set-backs as well. We share those too.
>>> 
>>> We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in 
>>> the grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other 
>>> here. That is our purpose.
>>> 
>>> So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear 
>>> in mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much 
>>> more than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, 
>>> respect and politeness.
>>> 
>>> It can really go a long way for all of us.
>>> 
>>> thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you 
>>> and this community that we have all built here.
>>> 
>>> Let me wish you and yours well.
>>> Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
>>> everyone!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

   Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Freedom of Speech Carries With
It Implicit Responsibility.

On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Hi Cara,
Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this 
list.
I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my 
Mac over the last year and a half.

People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
petrus.t...@gmail.com 


On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn > wrote:


Hi All,

Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping 
up with each topic these days has been in fits and starts.


I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the 
thread(s) in entirety before I spoke.


Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the 
last couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.


To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to 
say first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and 
treated equally. Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes 
for our attitudes and opinions as well.


this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political 
discussions, plain and simple.


Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this 
list.


This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What 
this means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig 
that simplly states how they personally feel and is not aimed at 
anyone, then that sig is allowed. This is free speech.


However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public 
message out without actually coming right out and saying that message; 
and using this list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not 
allowed here.


There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like 
to share their political views in discussion or debate should have 
ample forums in which to do so. This list is not one of them.


This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should 
be focused.


If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very 
least, be polite, then this list is not the place for you.


Please consider going somewhere else.

Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, 
whenever possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. 
We need to foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.


We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our 
daily usage of these products. We share these needs as well as the 
daily victories that these products enable us to have. Sometimes we 
have set-backs as well. We share those too.


We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list 
in the grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to 
each other here. That is our purpose.


So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please 
bear in mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. 
We are much more than screen names. Please remember this and act to 
promote dignaty, respect and politeness.


It can really go a long way for all of us.

thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate 
you and this community that we have all built here.


Let me wish you and yours well.
Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great 
weekend for everyone!


Cheers!

Cara


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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Petrus Tuerlings 
Hi Cara,
Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this list. 
I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
over the last year and a half.  
People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
petrus.t...@gmail.com 


> On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
> each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
> 
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
> troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in 
> entirety before I spoke.
> 
> Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
> couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
> 
> To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
> first of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. 
> Every race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and 
> opinions as well.
> 
> this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all 
> attitudes and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, 
> plain and simple.
> 
> Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.
> 
> This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
> means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
> states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
> allowed. This is free speech.
> 
> However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
> without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this 
> list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
> 
> There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to 
> share their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums 
> in which to do so. This list is not one of them.
> 
> This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
> focused.
> 
> If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be 
> respectful of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be 
> polite, then this list is not the place for you.
> 
> Please consider going somewhere else.
> 
> Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
> possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to 
> foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
> 
> We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
> of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
> these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We 
> share those too.
> 
> We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
> grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
> That is our purpose.
> 
> So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
> mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
> than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect 
> and politeness.
> 
> It can really go a long way for all of us.
> 
> thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
> this community that we have all built here.
> 
> Let me wish you and yours well.
> Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
> everyone!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
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Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Cara Quinn 
Hi All,

Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
each topic these days has been in fits and starts.

I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent troubling 
thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety 
before I spoke.

Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last couple 
of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.

To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say first 
of all, that here on this list, everyone is viewed and treated equally. Every 
race, creed and color is equal here. This goes for our attitudes and opinions 
as well.

this does not mean however, that this list is a place to express all attitudes 
and opinions., This list is no place for political discussions, plain and 
simple.

Please keep all discussions of politics and political themes off this list.

This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
means, is that in the case of signatures, if someone has a sig that simplly 
states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
allowed. This is free speech.

However, if that signature is being used as a way to get a public message out 
without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this list 
as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.

There is enough going on in the world today that people who would like to share 
their political views in discussion or debate should have ample forums in which 
to do so. This list is not one of them.

This list is a technology list so that is where our discussions should be 
focused.

If you feel you need to get a message out or feel that you cannot be respectful 
of others and their experiences or cannot at the very least, be polite, then 
this list is not the place for you.

Please consider going somewhere else.

Lastly, if someone offends you, please write them off-list. Please, whenever 
possible, be constructive and help de-escalate disagreements. We need to foster 
common ground and really help each other move ahead.

We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
of these products. We share these needs as well as the daily victories that 
these products enable us to have. Sometimes we have set-backs as well. We share 
those too.

We are one community here and even though this is just a mailing list in the 
grand scheme of things, we each provide help and support to each other here. 
That is our purpose.

So please keep this in mind when we write to each other here. Please bear in 
mind that we are people here; we all have lives and stories. We are much more 
than screen names. Please remember this and act to promote dignaty, respect and 
politeness.

It can really go a long way for all of us.

thank you all so much for reading this. Please know that I appreciate you and 
this community that we have all built here.

Let me wish you and yours well.
Please have a great holiday for those who celebrate and a great weekend for 
everyone!

Cheers!

Cara


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