Hi,
I am using Voiceover with Excel and vo reads negative numbers.
In the text tab of verbosity settings in vo utility, do you have numbers read
as words?
Also, how are you moving between cells? There are three ways: arrows, tab,
and the vo movement commands. How you do this may affect how
Hello,
You could try Lee the male Australian voice or one of the UK english male
voices.
Greg Wocher
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Hello Ann,
> Sad to report that Fred is also a non-negative speaker, along with Alex and
> Alex Compact. Sarina works, along with Tom.
The wisdom that children can give us... :)
Just like the other voices, you can change them on the fly. Infovox
voices will be in the same list on the speech rotor.
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Hi Mark
I don’t, but my husband seems to think it’s time I had a new one as it’s
getting towards Christmas.
All the best
Angie
> On 14 Sep 2019, at 04:51, M. Taylor wrote:
>
> Hello Angie,
>
> Thank you for the update.
>
> If you have Apple Care Plus for your watch, you should definitely
Hi!
Fred is a good or ok alternative.
/A
> 15 sep. 2019 kl. 05:47 skrev Mary Otten :
>
> If Apple ever decides to open up the system so that you can use voices that
> you bought somewhere, such as if you have voice dream reader and have
> purchased voices there, then maybe there will be a
Sometimes such things are voice dependent quirks. Use the voice roter to pick
a temp voice or two.
Otherwise, try a more positive attitude.
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Yes, Mine has been set to ???some??? and Also to ???All???. Still no joy.
>
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer,
E.T.,
A question on these voices. I see that a single credit is US$14.99. So one
credit allows me to download one voice. I get that. But if I wanted to change
to another of their voices, can I trade in the one I don’w want in exchange for
another, or do I need to buy another credit?
Dave
Tim,
Did I ever mention to you that I use the minus$ method of negative number
marking, since the parentheses do not work unless I set punctuation to “all”?
What is your negative indicator set to?
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I do like that synthesizer but I don't see it coming to Apple products either.
The closest voice to that would be Fred. Even though many blind computer users
like that synth, in the main stream world it is considered outdated and as far
as I know there is no further cdevelopment being done with
Not aware of any at this point.
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On 9/15/2019 11:41 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
Are there any new features for voiceover specifically?
On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:01 AM,
Not sure you got the point. I’m cheap, so $14.99 would be my limit for
investment right now. I get one voice for that, correct? Can I turn in that
voice later and get a different one without shelling out another $14.99?
Dave Carlson
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Barry,
And do I presume that you are also using Alex and that he is able to pronounce
the negative values?
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Just caught your pun. Yes, I need to find a grumpy, cantankerous voice.
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I got your point and doubt you can trade. If I am not mistaken, you
do have a trial period.
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Not sure you got the point.
hey all,
i would not post this before release date but I think this is extremely
important.
For the first time last night, I really got down and started playing with the
new podcast app.
There is something very important to consider if you like to back up your
podcasts that you downloaded.
The
Yes, I am using Alex.
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 14:22, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Barry,
> And do I presume that you are also using Alex and that he is able to
> pronounce the negative values?
>
> Dave Carlson
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>
>
>
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Hi all.
I’m wondering if anyone can offer any tips and tricks for navigating the
dropbox site using safari. I can see the home page just fine, but I’m not sure
how to get it to show me specific files and folders. I’ve tried clicking on the
“files” link and even on the “My Files” link, but my
Hi!
I can stand it but the new way is more difficult to change the language.
Since braille is not as good as in windows i have to use speech in mac.
If braille were better i would use it with no speech.
/A
> 15 sep. 2019 kl. 19:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>
> My normal practice is to jump to the
I played around with this a little. I usually deal with dropbox on my Mac. up
on the website it's a little tricky in safari. a lot of times when a website
loads I land in the toolbar. this happened with dropbox so I moved into the
content area and then interacted. then I saw different menus.
The only instance where I can stop vo from announcing a negative sign is to set
read numbers as digits and use the vo movement commands.
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 12:15, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've messed with some VO Settings and cannot seem to get it to stop
It is not often i agree with Anders, but i have too this time , Fred is
workable, light memoeryvise, and can speak super fast
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> On 15 Sep 2019, at 19.43, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Fred is a good or ok alternative.
> /A
>
>> 15 sep. 2019 kl. 05:47 skrev Mary Otten :
Choose more than one Infovox voice if you like them, buy the credits
for however many you want, then you can use the speech rotor to change
on the fly.
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Well, I’m Not Tim, but I’l answer anyway.
In the currency category of number tab of format cells, I have -$ format
selected.
With read numbers as words, vo reads the negative sign when I use the vo
movement commands.
It’s also worth pointing out that if you prefer the parentheses format, and
Hi,
I've messed with some VO Settings and cannot seem to get it to stop saying
negative when a negative number is present. changing between word/Digits,
changing how cursors follows each other, verbosity level, and arrow vs VO
navigation all did not seem to change what was announced. I seem
Hi!
Fred is ok.
Its t˛e only thing i can use in recovery mode.
/A
> 15 sep. 2019 kl. 20:48 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>
> I do like that synthesizer but I don't see it coming to Apple products
> either. The closest voice to that would be Fred. Even though many blind
> computer users like that synth,
Good suggestion. I haven’t spent any time looking at activities yet. Hope
they’re not complicated.
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Hi,
Sounds like the same style as Apple Books. There are ways of determining the
title, but of course this isn't an intuitive process. I'm guessing that the
idea is that they want you to use their app to listen, and using it will be
easy enough, but if you choose to use a third party
Wow this is pretty crappy. Glad I just use podcast apps on my phone
but still wow apple.
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> Hi,
>
> Sounds like the same style as Apple Books. There are ways of determining
> the title, but of course this isn't an intuitive process. I'm
hey,
yep, that is what they want and i’m not very impressed at all.
> On 16 Sep 2019, at 7:09 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sounds like the same style as Apple Books. There are ways of determining the
> title, but of course this isn't an intuitive process. I'm
Hi, I’m having the same problem.
Is there a way to have Samantha
only speak in the Numbers app?
I found activities in the voice over settings to change punctuation
for numbers, but not a way to change voices.
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> I’ve used the “all” settings
Hi Kawal,
Manual pairing has been stopped?\the barstards
I had to do this last time I paried my watch,
I held the watch face against the phones camera and slowly moved the watch
backwards from the camera until it paired,
Slowly and surely does the job.
Good luck and don't sell your watch
Hey Yuma,
I have to ask but sincve when have you been a Russian satellite, or at least
sending email from one?
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Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 12:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Chop comic demo
It’s fine,
I love eloquenmce,
I prefer to use that on my windows machine with jaws than any of theother synth
programs as I find it quicker when I'm working
Especially for things like power shell terminal type things.
But on the mac I don't think it would work,
I think it would change the mac to much,
I don’t think anyone other than Indiana jones has found that yet!!
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Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 2:46 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers
Tim,
I am also wondering where is that
OK, I am confused. Running the latest Mojave when a web page loads after I have
entered it into the address bar, I get VO on the "Web Content" which means the
VO cursor is surrounding the entire page. From there, I can ask for the first
Heading, landmark or link and get there. I can also use
synchronize keyboard focus and VO cursor is checked, but problem still
exists.
On 15.9.2019. 13:47, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Open VoiceOver utility with VO-F8.
In the navigation category, you should have initial VO cursor is
Keyboard focus. Also, you probably want to have synchronize keyboard
Hi Jorgen,
Never played those games. I have the engine coded for all sorts of games but i
need to make it all easily expandable. Will play around to make an IOS version
and add footsteps :)
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> On 13/09/2019, at 9:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>
> Hi Yuma,
>
> nice idea.
If DNS over HTTPS is a good idea is a debatable question. It certainly is
better for individuals who were dependent on their ISP or country to provide
DNS services. But the DNS service was designed as the first widely distributed
robust database system, with improvements in security and
A question and many thanks.
Now that I know how to delete previous recipients from the Mac end, is
there a way to do this via an iPhone connected to the same Apple ID?
Deleting a contact is easy, but what about a previous recipient?
My thanks to everyone contributing to this thread. I don't
Alex, or Alex Compact? I didn’t try the compact version.
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I will go one better, just for fun. What happened to the dec talk voices?
Given those were first created to simulate human speech, I thought they
would be preserved on a platform somewhere.
I resonate with Mary's thoughts on eloquence, respecting that some seek
the familiar.
Karen
On
Tim,
I am also wondering where is that mysterious setting that is haunting me. So
far, in all my wanderings through VO and Accessibility settings, I have not
found the holy grail.
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Hello,
First, a US English gripe. IN UNS English, we prefer the word "question" where
you used doubt. The word doubt usually has a bit of a negative connotation. In
other words, I expect this is a bad idea, but feel free to correct me.
I usually use the VO-J command to jump to major areas of
Hem,
Took me a few weeks before I developed some keystroke habits to navigate in the
mail app.
I use VO-RightArrow to move across from the mailbox list to the message list
(two strokes).
arrow up/dow the list of messages.
VO-RightArrow twice and the message reads automatically.
Or alternatively
Hi All!
I am new to Mac and I use Voice Over.
When I open a web page focus of the cursor is not on the web content
area. I must find the web content area with VO + Right Arrow and go into
it with VO + Shift + Down Arrow.
The same situations is with other programs. When I open a folder in
Hi Yuma,
Thanks for that, but no issue if you can’t I just thought I’d ike a couple of
people to listen to it,
One who thinks blind people have trouble with everything in life and he’s one
himself.
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Sent: Sunday, 15 September
Report it to Microsoft too. I have had good response from Microsoft on
Macintosh Office accessibility issues.
Jonathan
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Sep 14, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Hot D**n! That did it! I hate Tom, so I’m looking for a voice I can
Hi,
I'm just in the middle of helping my daughter review some parts of her
dictation, so I will take a look at some VO settings later this morning or this
afternoon, if that's alright.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort
Hello.
Today I called Apple Accessibility as my Apple watch 4 would not update or
connect to the internet when trying to update my Apple Watch. This has been
going on for a long time.
I reset the watch thinking that I would be able to pair it. I was told by
accessibility that the manual
Open VoiceOver utility with VO-F8.
In the navigation category, you should have initial VO cursor is Keyboard
focus. Also, you probably want to have synchronize keyboard focus and VO
cursor.
Jonathan
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Nebojša Tasić
Hello Ann,
Sad to report that Fred is also a non-negative speaker, along with Alex and
Alex Compact. Sarina works, along with Tom. My quest for a voice that I can
live with, and for now one that I don’t need to purchase, goes on...
Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker,
It’s fine, having fun revisiting the code and making it work for ios
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> On 15/09/2019, at 8:52 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>
> Hi Yuma,
> Thanks for that, but no issue if you can’t I just thought I’d ike a couple of
> people to listen to it,
>
> One who thinks blind
Jonathan,
Yes I reported first when I had the problem, and then followed up with the news
that Alex was the culprit. Now I need to verify whether it’s limited to Alex,
vs. Alex compact.
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Dear all,
I hope this message is coming across clearly well. This is my first ever email
from my Mac.
I have some doubts though. Here they are:
1 How do I navigate between inboxes and messages?
2 How do I delete quoted messages?
3 How do I attach a file?
I will be grateful for your help.
I am
Hi,
I use full strength Alex. I'm thinking that there may be some other setting
that is factoring in.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Sep 15, 2019, at 07:45, Dave Carlson wrote:
Alex, or Alex
Hello Jonathan,
The VO cursor now covers the whole content area rather than being inside it.
Some people who are new to the Mac have trouble getting the idea of interacting.
Cheers,
Anne
> On 16 Sep 2019, at 00:58, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> OK, I am confused. Running the latest Mojave
The other one to remember is command shift F to forward an email.
Now I’m guessing all of those key strokes are the same weather you are using
Classic view or modern view?
> On 16/09/2019, at 2:56 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> Hem,
> Took me a few weeks before I developed some keystroke habits
NO comment,
I'm thinking of doing the same thing but I've only had my 4 for approximately
6 months if that.
But other than the screen being on permanently I can't see a difference in the
two devices.
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Haha, since i got the first iphone. Apple is actually a russian corporation
which infiltrated the u.s with the help of chinese manufacturing :)
Less cynically, i just thought it rang nice back in the days, and sputnik means
something cool in russian
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> On 16/09/2019, at
That’s okay for me as I’m been using the modern view from day one.
> On 16/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
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> I would think so but it will be a non issue under Catalina for there is no
> longer a classic view option.
>
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I’m spending a large amount of time re-acquainting myself with Excel on the
Mac. It’s my preference because I can very quickly leap from one set of data to
another, skipping over all the blanks. Numbers does not offer this.
Okay, I’ve resolved the negative numbers issue by using Tom as my
I was able to somewhat get around, but very poorly. There is a piece of a table
with zero rows and zero columns. If you move the VO cursor to that, and then
try hitting tab and perhaps shift tab, you can navigate to items and then
select, delete, download, and perhaps a couple other functions,
hope you can get a good deal on selling your last years model.
On 9/15/19, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> Well it's been done,
> I went out and confirmed it this morning,
>
> I have purchased the iPhone 11 pro max,
>
> And now trying to find a wallet case to secure it,
> Waw, apple have one that's 250
Wow damn you are a super nice uncle.
On 9/15/19, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> Dude it's gone already,
> Problem with having neaces that don't have large incomes.
> Or is that kind and loving uncles.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of lenron brown
Simon,
I am thinking of getting the five so if I can sell this one then I will try the
five.
How do you get the iPhone to register your watch what do you do with the phone
to get the camera to pick up the watch? That is what I don’t understand.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Sep 2019, at 11:24
Thank you so much. I think I’ll mostly be using my phone for DB stuff, but it’s
good to know I can get around the actual website if necessary.
Shannon
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:48 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> I was able to somewhat get around, but very poorly. There is a piece of a
> table
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I would think so but it will be a non issue under Catalina for there
is no longer a classic view option.
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On 9/15/2019 5:08 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
The other
You can also get a dropbox app for the Mac, don’t ask me how to find it as
someone sent me the link.
And I used my phone to navigate the dropbox site when I had to use it.
> On 16/09/2019, at 2:39 PM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
>
> Thank you so much. I think I’ll mostly be using my phone for DB
I don’t know what it means but I know what it is or was I guess is the correct
term now.
Smart move those Russians,
Sputnik 1 the first satellite into space,
USA spent millions on developing a pen that worked in zero grazity, Russians
used a pencil,
Go figure.
From:
In the list of activities there is a Additional settings to include click on
this and down 5 items is "Voices"
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 5:59 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi, I’m having the same problem.
> Is there a way to
I could not get negative numbers to not speak the negative value either. So
1. Either something in a specific type of sheet formatting.
2. Different versions of numbers.
or
3. AN obscure setting in VoiceOVer that some of us are not finding.
I think the easiest thing to do is verify your numbers
Well it's been done,
I went out and confirmed it this morning,
I have purchased the iPhone 11 pro max,
And now trying to find a wallet case to secure it,
Waw, apple have one that's 250 NZ dollars from leather and comes in Aubergine
colour,
What bloody colour is aubergine?
Aren't egg plants a
Dude it's gone already,
Problem with having neaces that don't have large incomes.
Or is that kind and loving uncles.
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Absolutely okay. Any time is always better than “never."
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I’ve used the “all” settings for punctuations, and the parentheses are read
only with voices other than Alex or Fred. But my preference is having the minus
sign precede the $ sigh, so I don’t need to have all punctuation. Having all
punctuation in other apps drives me insane. I’ll see if
My normal practice is to jump to the first heading. You can also get the web
page statistics with VO-Shift-i, then you’d have an idea what you’re up against.
The VO cursor used to land in the content area, but it stopped doing that a
while ago.
Having used VoiceOver since its first appearance, I
I cann't stand alex either,
I use tom because it is to my ear more crisp and succinct and having fewer
distracting artifacts of trying to make it sound like a person.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:
> Hello Dave,
>
> I presume you???ve tried all the other English-language voices
Are there any new features for voiceover specifically?
> On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:01 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> Voiceover is no worse than under Mojave as far as I can tell from my
> testing.
>
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> Many believe that we have
Slite correction,
In this case, read numbers as words or digits makes no difference.
So, I am also stumped. I have no idea why you are having any isues.
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 14:06, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
> Well, I’m Not Tim, but I’l answer anyway.
> In the currency category of number tab of
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