Re: Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Your experience is similar to mine.  I had them in the late 90s back east, then 
tried again in 2005 and had them for about 5 
years and stopped using them around 2011 or so.  My mother is still a dish 
customer because Comcast is so bad.  Every time I watch her TV it seems like 
there are fewer and fewer channels.  Compared to FIOS it’s a fraction of the 
channels we have available.


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I think this was when I had a  4S that we had dish. We've 
> actually had it a few different times. We had it back east, way before there 
> were phones like android and iPhone. Then we had it out here a couple of 
> different times, the last one of which was a few years ago when I had a lousy 
> accessibility experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at 
>> the time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the 
>> time frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
>>> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. 
>>> Surprise!
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
 won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
 
 The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US 
 workers and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled 
 people instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, 
 they had a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches 
 and the dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
 
 Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding  > wrote:
> 
> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have 
> a decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear 
> about one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or 
> that local TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those 
> customers affected by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being 
> pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the 
> news with them.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
>> modulation beating verizon again!
>> 
>> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My 
>> problem starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see 
>>> any upside there at all.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
 out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
 spectrum.
 
 VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of 
 debt.  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re 
 right though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called 
 building 51 (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole 
 replication of the VZ network in miniature in our building.
 
 I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be
 nice for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
 spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
 probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
  
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for 
> sometime I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over 
> everybody. They still have the most customers by far, which should 
> mean they have more money than anybody to spend on these kinds of 

Re: Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I think this was when I had a  4S that we had dish. We've actually 
had it a few different times. We had it back east, way before there were phones 
like android and iPhone. Then we had it out here a couple of different times, 
the last one of which was a few years ago when I had a lousy accessibility 
experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
> time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
> frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
>> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>>> 
>>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US 
>>> workers and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled 
>>> people instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, 
>>> they had a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches 
>>> and the dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>>> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have 
> a decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear 
> about one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or 
> that local TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those 
> customers affected by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being 
> pulled over these on occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the 
> news with them.
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
> modulation beating verizon again!
> 
> Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My 
> problem starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see 
>> any upside there at all.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>>> spectrum.
>>> 
>>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of 
>>> debt.  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re 
>>> right though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called 
>>> building 51 (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole 
>>> replication of the VZ network in miniature in our building.
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be
>>> nice for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>>  
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
 I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. 
 They still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have 
 more money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. 
 T-Mobile has been doing well. But they are still number three in the 
 big race, and you would think that would impact of their income over 
 all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
> very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer 
> in the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>

Dish Network and accessibility was Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

That’s interesting, I had a decent amount of luck with the iPhone apps at the 
time, I think it was an iPhone 4 I was using at the time to give the time 
frame.  Haven’t tried in years I gave up Dish when I left California.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  I don't know how it is now, but we used to have dish. And their apps were 
> never accessible at all. Very disappointing. Requests went unheard. Surprise!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re absolutely right, my mother has missing channels now because they 
>> won’t pay the extra 8 cents per sub.
>> 
>> The other problem is their business practices.  They fire lots of US workers 
>> and farm the work out over seas, they have also fired disabled people 
>> instead of make accommodation.  Not a dish fan here.  I used to be, they had 
>> a good product years ago but that CEO got to big for his britches and the 
>> dim view he has of the disabled also became apparent.
>> 
>> Sounds like that’s carrying over to Sling media.
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Brent Harding >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one thing they did that might be considered good is the whole concept 
>>> of services like Sling TV to at least be able to dump the cable and have a 
>>> decent selection of channels at a good price, but every time I hear about 
>>> one of those retransmission disputes they get into with this or that local 
>>> TV company makes me think about how bad it is for those customers affected 
>>> by it. I don't think any provider is immune from being pulled over these on 
>>> occasion, but Dish is the one that seems to make the news with them.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Granados 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature 
 modulation beating verizon again!
 
 Not happy at all with Dish network and haven’t been for years.  My problem 
 starts with the CEO and works on down from there.
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>  I agree with you about the possible dish network merger. I don't see any 
> upside there at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock 
>> out there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and 
>> spectrum.
>> 
>> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt. 
>>  Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right 
>> though, it does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 
>> (E.T. should like that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ 
>> network in miniature in our building.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would benice 
>> for T-Mo to buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that 
>> spectrum to better use.  Unfortunately the dish network burger would 
>> probably be more easy to make happen, I hope it does not.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime 
>>> I think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. 
>>> They still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have 
>>> more money than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. 
>>> T-Mobile has been doing well. But they are still number three in the 
>>> big race, and you would think that would impact of their income over 
>>> all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are 
 very sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer 
 in the NNO group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and 
>> I know they are closing on more spectru