Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-21 Thread Muhammad Fayed
You should :
1. Be honest to the buyer about this issue or that you’re not sure
2. If possible, upgrade its HDD to SSD from apple store. It will make the 
device faster, But be care that this will increase the price and not much 
difference in high workloads. It will make it feel faster in everyday use, e.g. 
opening apps, load files faster. It may not make any difference in loading 
webpages since it is CPU and software related.
If you need more technical details, I may add. And I hope someone here has any 
experience about that different only in any Mac device. It will help explain 
more accurately than me.

If you want to give it to your mother, then try to get higher performing in 
everyday usage in order not to annoy her with it being slow to her. I don’t 
know how this model performs, I use 2016 15” MBP with SSD.
Generally, old humans have lower patience to new things.

According to my experience with Catalina vs Big Sur, Big Sur feels faster.

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 


> On 18 Apr 2021, at 7:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
> whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
> issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big 
> Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-21 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
I didn't do anything special.

I simply accepted the on screen offer to upgrade once it was proferred.


All went smoothly, though it took quite some time.


juanhernande...@gmail.com writes:
> How did you get Big Sur on that macbook? I have a late 2013 iMac, fully spect 
> out for the time, 32gb ram, and 1tb fusion drive with a i7 quad core cpu 
> running at 3.5ghz.  I can't get big sur to come up in software updates, and 
> when I try to get it from the app store it says it can't find the right 
> version of the installer or something like that.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?
> 
> Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Donna:
> > 
> > I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine 
> > is fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the 
> > smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
> >> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
> >> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
> >> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
> >> TIA,
> >> Donna
> >> 
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-20 Thread Brad Snyder
Tried doing a Google search for something like, macOS 11.3 Big Sur download, 
and see what you get.

- Brad -

On Apr 20, 2021, at 15:42, Juan Hernandez  wrote:

I know.  That is why I found it weird that I couldn’t get Big Sur on my late 
2013 iMac.


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:06 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Big Sur will only run on max 2013 and newer.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 20, 2021, at 01:08, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> How did you get Big Sur on that macbook? I have a late 2013 iMac, fully 
> spect out for the time, 32gb ram, and 1tb fusion drive with a i7 quad core 
> cpu running at 3.5ghz.  I can't get big sur to come up in software updates, 
> and when I try to get it from the app store it says it can't find the right 
> version of the installer or something like that.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?
> 
> Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna:
>> 
>> I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine 
>> is fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the 
>> smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-20 Thread Juan Hernandez
I know.  That is why I found it weird that I couldn’t get Big Sur on my late 
2013 iMac.


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:06 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Big Sur will only run on max 2013 and newer.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 20, 2021, at 01:08, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> How did you get Big Sur on that macbook? I have a late 2013 iMac, fully 
> spect out for the time, 32gb ram, and 1tb fusion drive with a i7 quad core 
> cpu running at 3.5ghz.  I can't get big sur to come up in software updates, 
> and when I try to get it from the app store it says it can't find the right 
> version of the installer or something like that.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?
> 
> Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna:
>> 
>> I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine 
>> is fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the 
>> smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-20 Thread Brad Snyder
Big Sur will only run on max 2013 and newer.

- Brad -

On Apr 20, 2021, at 01:08, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:

How did you get Big Sur on that macbook? I have a late 2013 iMac, fully spect 
out for the time, 32gb ram, and 1tb fusion drive with a i7 quad core cpu 
running at 3.5ghz.  I can't get big sur to come up in software updates, and 
when I try to get it from the app store it says it can't find the right version 
of the installer or something like that.



-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna:
> 
> I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine 
> is fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the 
> smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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RE: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-20 Thread juanhernandez98
How did you get Big Sur on that macbook? I have a late 2013 iMac, fully spect 
out for the time, 32gb ram, and 1tb fusion drive with a i7 quad core cpu 
running at 3.5ghz.  I can't get big sur to come up in software updates, and 
when I try to get it from the app store it says it can't find the right version 
of the installer or something like that.



-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna:
> 
> I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine 
> is fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the 
> smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-19 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Thanks, Janina.  Sounds like the same machine I have, so this is good to hear.
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Apr 19, 2021, at 6:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Donna:
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> I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine is
> fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the
> smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
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>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Donna:

I'm having no issues running Big Sur on my 2013 era Macbook Air. Mine is
fully loaded as of the date of purchase. Except that I went for the
smallest available screen, the 11 inch, I have 8Gb RAM and 512Gb HD.

Best,

Janina

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> issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big 
> Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
interesting.  My mom's not all that particular about having the latest and 
greatest, so if it's slow under both Big Sur and Catalina, maybe I will just 
leave it with its current OS.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 3:39 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have a late 2013 model MacBook Pro that is running Big Sur without any 
> apparent issues (apart from known Big Sur bugs, of course).
> 
> It's probably faster than your MacBook Air. Performance is rather slow, but 
> not obviously more so than under Catalina.
> 
> On 18/4/21 1:21 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
That's what I was thinking, but I just wasn't sure whether to go all the way up 
to Big Sur, or just upgrade to Catalina.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Then, I suggest wiping it, and then do the upgrade.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:17, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> I'd use my valuable time because one possibility is that I will give it to my 
> mom.  She's older, and not very techie, so it'd be easier for me to do the 
> upgrade for her.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com 
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>> +1 from me, too. If it’s already on Catalina, I’d think that’s a good 
>> starting point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable 
>> time to do the upgrade? If it were me, I’d simply indicate that the computer 
>> is on Catalina and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. 
>> You’re much better off, in my opinion.
>>  
>> Pete De Vasto 
>>  
>> From: 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?
>>  
>> Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
>> upgrade or not.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified assistive technology specialist
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>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:44, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on 
>>> Catalina and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
>>> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>  
>>>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>>>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>>>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>>>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
I have a late 2013 model MacBook Pro that is running Big Sur without any 
apparent issues (apart from known Big Sur bugs, of course).


It's probably faster than your MacBook Air. Performance is rather slow, 
but not obviously more so than under Catalina.


On 18/4/21 1:21 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big Sur 
on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Brad Snyder
Then, I suggest wiping it, and then do the upgrade.


- Brad -


On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:17, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I'd use my valuable time because one possibility is that I will give it to my 
mom.  She's older, and not very techie, so it'd be easier for me to do the 
upgrade for her.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 from me, too. If it’s already on Catalina, I’d think that’s a good 
> starting point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable 
> time to do the upgrade? If it were me, I’d simply indicate that the computer 
> is on Catalina and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. 
> You’re much better off, in my opinion.
>  
> Pete De Vasto 
>  
> From: 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?
>  
> Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
> upgrade or not.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
>  
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:44, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
>> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
>> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>>  
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Brad Snyder
I’d just wipe it, and reload High Sierra.
Let the new owner decide what they want to do.

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On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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It's not on Catalina, it's still running High Sierra, I think.
Thanks,

Donna


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> Hi,
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> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

okay then.
my two cents.
Leave the unit  running the system best for the hardware itself, something 
I imagine is easily  discovered by either consulting apple's site or 
giving them a call.
Same reasoning however.  you want to sell from a place of, I now it works 
perfectly right now.
If ou make changes, and there is a problem, the buyer may complaine that 
you did not sell them what you advertised.

just my thoughts,
Kare



On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


It's not on Catalina, it's still running High Sierra, I think.
Thanks,

Donna



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Hi,
I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
Thanks,
Rob



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Hi all,

I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big Sur 
on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Additionally, if you now firmly that the machine runs well with its 
current  operating system, you do not want to upgrade.

Largely because you cannot guarantee the quality of what you are selling.
Let the buyer decide if they want to make changes after getting a machine 
working at its best when you make the sale.




On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:


+1 from me, too. If it???s already on Catalina, I???d think that???s a good 
starting point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable time 
to do the upgrade? If it were me, I???d simply indicate that the computer is on 
Catalina and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. You???re 
much better off, in my opinion.



Pete De Vasto



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Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
upgrade or not.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens

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???Hi,
I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
I don???t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
Thanks,
Rob





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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
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Hi all,



I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I???m getting redy to sell. I???m trying to 
decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I???m going to sell 
it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running 
Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?

TIA,

Donna



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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
I'd use my valuable time because one possibility is that I will give it to my 
mom.  She's older, and not very techie, so it'd be easier for me to do the 
upgrade for her.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
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> +1 from me, too. If it’s already on Catalina, I’d think that’s a good 
> starting point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable 
> time to do the upgrade? If it were me, I’d simply indicate that the computer 
> is on Catalina and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. 
> You’re much better off, in my opinion.
>  
> Pete De Vasto 
>  
> From: 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>  
> Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
> upgrade or not.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified assistive technology specialist
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>  
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:44, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
>> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
>> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
It's not on Catalina, it's still running High Sierra, I think.
Thanks,

Donna


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:44 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Dave Carlson
BTW while on this overall topic, is it still possible to downgrade from 
Catalina to Mojave?

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

On Apr 18, 2021, at 11:01 AM,   
wrote:

+1 from me, too. If it’s already on Catalina, I’d think that’s a good starting 
point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable time to do the 
upgrade? If it were me, I’d simply indicate that the computer is on Catalina 
and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. You’re much better 
off, in my opinion.
 
Pete De Vasto 
 
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Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
upgrade or not.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
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> Hi,
> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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RE: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread pdevasto0219
+1 from me, too. If it’s already on Catalina, I’d think that’s a good starting 
point for whoever gets it. Besides, why should use your valuable time to do the 
upgrade? If it were me, I’d simply indicate that the computer is on Catalina 
and let whoever buys it decide whether or not to upgrade. You’re much better 
off, in my opinion.

 

Pete De Vasto 

 

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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
upgrade or not.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens

Certified assistive technology specialist
Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer

 





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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
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Hi,
I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
Thanks,
Rob





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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
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Hi all,

 

I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big Sur 
on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?

TIA,

Donna

 

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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread Dave Carlson
Personally I would be looking for a MacBook with Mojave, to use with older 
applications on that older hardware platform. Then  could upgrade my current 
Mac to Big Sur. 
Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Apr 18, 2021, at 10:21 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big Sur 
on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries
Hi all, I agree with Robert. I would let the user decide if they want to 
upgrade or not.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
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> On Apr 18, 2021, at 13:44, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
> and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
> I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to 
>> decide whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to 
>> sell it, VO issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone 
>> running Big Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone running Big Sur on a 2013 Macbook Air?

2021-04-18 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries
Hi,
I am writing to add my two cents, If it was me, I would leave it on Catalina 
and let the new owner upgrade if they want to.
I don’t know how well that model will run Big Sur. This is just my opinion.
Thanks,
Rob


> On Apr 18, 2021, at 1:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a 2013 Macbook Air that I’m getting redy to sell. I’m trying to decide 
> whether to upgrade it to Big Sur or Catalina.  Since I’m going to sell it, VO 
> issues with Big Sur are not of primary concern.  So, is anyone running Big 
> Sur on one of these Macs?  If so, does it run OK?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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