Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't believe that this is possible with VO in the modern view.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 12, 2018, at 16:34, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Thanks so much Dear.
I like the mail view now, but all i need is when navigating , i need ot know 
the subject before the person’s name that are i inside the thread.
that is all i need.


> On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Bill Gallik  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> It’s tough to offer any helpful thoughts on this without knowing what it is 
> about the Classic View that you dislike.  If you could give a bit more detail 
> I’m certain someone on this list can offer some tips.  Huh, it may even be 
> me! 😯
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their 
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill:
> Thanks so much, i tried it now,
> it’s there, and i tried it.
> but frankly i don’t like this view at all, so, is there a way to know the 
> subject without using the classic view?
> thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Bill Gallik > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND 
>> key along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog 
>> for mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  
>> Select that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the 
>> first item in this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and 
>> close the dialog.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>> it.” 
>> - Jane Wagner
>> - American writer, director and producer, 1935-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
>> i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
>> thanks in advance 
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done 
>>> if you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
>>> order.
>>> 
>>> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of 
>>> the VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless 
>>> you are in classic view.
>>> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
>>> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 
 sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what 
 you told me.
 When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over 
 says:
 10 messages from so and so and so.
 I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
 is there a way to do this?
 
 also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on   
 mailinglist, how can i do that?
 
 Thanks in advance 
 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much Dear.
I like the mail view now, but all i need is when navigating , i need ot know 
the subject before the person’s name that are i inside the thread.
that is all i need.


> On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> It’s tough to offer any helpful thoughts on this without knowing what it is 
> about the Classic View that you dislike.  If you could give a bit more detail 
> I’m certain someone on this list can offer some tips.  Huh, it may even be 
> me! 😯
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their 
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill:
> Thanks so much, i tried it now,
> it’s there, and i tried it.
> but frankly i don’t like this view at all, so, is there a way to know the 
> subject without using the classic view?
> thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Bill Gallik > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND 
>> key along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog 
>> for mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  
>> Select that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the 
>> first item in this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and 
>> close the dialog.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>> it.” 
>> - Jane Wagner
>> - American writer, director and producer, 1935-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
>> i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
>> thanks in advance 
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done 
>>> if you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
>>> order.
>>> 
>>> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of 
>>> the VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless 
>>> you are in classic view.
>>> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
>>> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 
 sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what 
 you told me.
 When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over 
 says:
 10 messages from so and so and so.
 I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
 is there a way to do this?
 
 also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on   
 mailinglist, how can i do that?
 
 Thanks in advance 
 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Jonathan Cohn]

One other possibility especially if you have the messages associated with the 
mailing list in their own folder or smart folder is to interact with the mail 
table down to the column level and then use the standard arrow keys to move 
about once the VO cursor reads a subject. Sorry, the description above sounds 
fairly complicated, but at that point the only thing read while navigating 
would be the subject and perhaps the coma sped 10 messages in thread verbiage 
that VOiceOver likes to say in threaded conversations.

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi BIll:
> Thanks so much, i tried it now,
> it’s there, and i tried it.
> but frankly i don’t like this view at all, so, is there a way to know the 
> subject without using the classic view?
> thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Bill Gallik > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND 
>> key along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog 
>> for mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  
>> Select that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the 
>> first item in this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and 
>> close the dialog.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>> it.” 
>> - Jane Wagner
>> - American writer, director and producer, 1935-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
>> i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
>> thanks in advance 
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done 
>>> if you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
>>> order.
>>> 
>>> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of 
>>> the VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless 
>>> you are in classic view.
>>> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
>>> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 
 sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what 
 you told me.
 When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over 
 says:
 10 messages from so and so and so.
 I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
 is there a way to do this?
 
 also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on teh 
 mailinglist, how can i do that?
 
 Thanks in advance 
 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Bill Gallik]

Hi Ramy,

It’s tough to offer any helpful thoughts on this without knowing what it is 
about the Classic View that you dislike.  If you could give a bit more detail 
I’m certain someone on this list can offer some tips.  Huh, it may even be me! 😯


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their 
guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi Bill:
Thanks so much, i tried it now,
it’s there, and i tried it.
but frankly i don’t like this view at all, so, is there a way to know the 
subject without using the classic view?
thanks in advance 

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Bill Gallik  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND 
> key along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog 
> for mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  
> Select that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the 
> first item in this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and 
> close the dialog.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.” 
> - Jane Wagner
> - American writer, director and producer, 1935-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
> i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
> thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done 
>> if you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
>> order.
>> 
>> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of 
>> the VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless 
>> you are in classic view.
>> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
>> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what 
>>> you told me.
>>> When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over 
>>> says:
>>> 10 messages from so and so and so.
>>> I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
>>> is there a way to do this?
>>> 
>>> also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on   
>>> mailinglist, how can i do that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
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>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>> 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi BIll:
Thanks so much, i tried it now,
it’s there, and i tried it.
but frankly i don’t like this view at all, so, is there a way to know the 
subject without using the classic view?
thanks in advance 

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND 
> key along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog 
> for mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  
> Select that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the 
> first item in this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and 
> close the dialog.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.” 
> - Jane Wagner
> - American writer, director and producer, 1935-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
> i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
> thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done 
>> if you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
>> order.
>> 
>> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of 
>> the VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless 
>> you are in classic view.
>> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
>> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what 
>>> you told me.
>>> When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over 
>>> says:
>>> 10 messages from so and so and so.
>>> I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
>>> is there a way to do this?
>>> 
>>> also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on teh 
>>> mailinglist, how can i do that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
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>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
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>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Bill Gallik]

Hi Ramy,

When you are in the mail application, use +<,> (That’s the COMMAND key 
along with the COMMA key)to place you directly in the Preferences dialog for 
mail.  The ToolBar will have a number of buttons - “View” included.  Select 
that button and you will find the “Classic View” check box as the first item in 
this dialog; make certain that checkbox is indeed checked and close the dialog.

HTH



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
- Jane Wagner
- American writer, director and producer, 1935-




On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi:

ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
thanks in advance 

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done if 
> you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
> order.
> 
> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of the 
> VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless you 
> are in classic view.
> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what you 
>> told me.
>> When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over says:
>> 10 messages from so and so and so.
>> I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
>> is there a way to do this?
>> 
>> also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on teh 
>> mailinglist, how can i do that?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

ok, thanks, but how can i change my self to Classic view?
i tried but can not find any classic view inside the view menu
thanks in advance 

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done if 
> you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the 
> order.
> 
> For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of the 
> VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless you 
> are in classic view.
> If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of 
> the items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what you 
>> told me.
>> When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over says:
>> 10 messages from so and so and so.
>> I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
>> is there a way to do this?
>> 
>> also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on teh 
>> mailinglist, how can i do that?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: Navigating messages inside the Mac mail app

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

My understanding is that this can be done as a sighted person, can be done if 
you classic view, or I believe I had a AppleScript that would change the order.

For the sighted I understand that the columns can be dragged, but none of the 
VoiceOver techniques for dragging appear to work for doing this, unless you are 
in classic view.
If you look at the “Message Attributes” sub-menu of the view menu, most of the 
items there are greyed out, indicating they can not be changed.
Best Wishes,

Jonathan 

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> sorry if i asked this question before, but i still can not perform, what you 
> told me.
> When navigating through a mailing list, i don’t want to here Voice over says:
> 10 messages from so and so and so.
> I need to know the subject before knowing the names.
> is there a way to do this?
> 
> also, if i need to send an email to someone that he was replying on teh 
> mailinglist, how can i do that?
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
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