Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 22:56 +0200, ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch [zap] A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about cross-compiling or embedded

[maemo-developers] Sources and documentation (was: Future features for Maemo Desktop)

2006-08-29 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 16:24 -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/ http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/ You can also request the

RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 01:00 +0200, ext Hartmut Henkel wrote: Just to add here: i have one of these Nokias with the broken LCD (vertical stripes). Actually i don't even believe that the LCD is broken, it looks like a wrong setting of the LCD (with the old HP pocket calculators you could tweak

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 29, 2006, at 12:22, Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki) wrote: The fact that the environment uses its own gtk (while a lot of stuff is being pushed upstream) - this forces you to use a chroot environment. While scratchbox does a lot of things for you to make things less nasty, it's a

[maemo-developers] SDK vs. device: libSM and libICE

2006-08-29 Thread Christian Henz
I might be missing something, but I think this is a bug in the SDK: In the SDK, libSM and libICE are available, while on the device, they are not. For example VLC's configure.ac script uses AC_PATH_XTRA() from /usr/share/autoconf/autoconf/libs.m4, which correctly finds libSM and libICE in the

Re: [maemo-developers] Sources and documentation

2006-08-29 Thread Bob Herrmann
I know If I rebuild all from the source that I wont have Opera. Is there anything else besides Opera that is not at the repositories? Thanks -bob Tommi Komulainen wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 16:24 -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic:

[maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Paulo Pires
I agree with Alessandro in most of his points, but imho you (Alessandro) should be far more reasonable and polite because that's not the correct way for anyone to put their issues/suggestions/critics.It's sad that such a rich opinion had to be written in such terms. If you're unhappy with your

Re: [maemo-developers] Sources and documentation

2006-08-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:38:16AM -0400, Bob Herrmann wrote: I know If I rebuild all from the source that I wont have Opera. Is there anything else besides Opera that is not at the repositories? As far as I can tell *all* of the standard apps (clock, calculator, notes, audio player, all the

[maemo-developers] Notes/Text editor

2006-08-29 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, There have been some mails about the Notes text editor so I thought to mention that my own preferred Notepad clone is Leafpad. I don't need HTML subset (neither in my mails nor) when editing the text files on the device, so Leafpad is just fine. Especially as it's 100% Open Source, quite

Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread Eduardo de Barros Lima
Hi, On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. I am

Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:05:41AM -0300, Eduardo de Barros Lima wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein?

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... First I

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading, extracting maemo x.x rootstrap ? - Setting up UI

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading,

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Devesh Kothari
ext Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Title: Best Regards, Devesh, the following commentary from Andrew is somewhat disconcerting since it suggests that Nokia is somehow holding back on openness: "I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness" Assuming that his disappointment is

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread George Farris
On Tue, 2006-29-08 at 16:50 +0300, Devesh Kothari wrote: In general I am happy to learn from your frustrations to improve maemo and maemo development experience. Devesh This is great. Please provide information about Bluetooth headset support. Is Nokia working on this? When will it be

[maemo-developers] Compiling hildon or gtk (was: Nokia 770 sources...)

2006-08-29 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 13:31 +0300, ext Henri Sivonen wrote: Is GTK from Maemo expected to compile (for the host itself) on desktop Linux or Mac OS X? What about Hildon? Currently maemo gtk+ requires one feature from glib, namely caching of gtkrc as bytecode-ish format. (It's in

[maemo-developers] Sources in svn (was: Nokia 770 sources...)

2006-08-29 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 13:31 +0300, ext Henri Sivonen wrote: (BTW, it would be nice if the source download page documented the right svn incantations for pulling the source corresponding to the OS2006 release.) I would think in the developer section would be more appropriate? Though the

Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread vern
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:05:41AM -0300, Eduardo de Barros Lima wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein?

RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
First, I don´t care about my tone, it´s a voice of a angry customer, IT´S THE FIRST TIME THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE SOURCE CODE. Even other members of this list never heard about it, so don´t come like my old daddy saying hey kid, it was there all the time, below your nose in the About dialog box.

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:42:44PM -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: First, I don´t care about my tone We noticed. Marius Gedminas -- Programs that write programs are the happiest programs in the world. -- Andrew Hume signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Hugh Warrington
Andrew Flegg wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? - Downloading, extracting maemo x.x rootstrap ? - Setting up UI environment

RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad. My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese: Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa... E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); não funcionar para Unicode. Não

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Christian Pernegger
Why was [setting up the developent environment difficult]? scratchbox is not an official Debian package, and as far as the rather intrusive directory structure goes, I can see why it isn't. It also needs i386 when my do your worst boxes are both amd64. All in all it was just long and

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 8/29/06, Hugh Warrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: [Getting scratchbox running] It was just a long and labourious process. The `installer' script made it trivial the second time I did it, so much so I wonder why this isn't advertised more as a recommended and

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:50:47PM +0100, Hugh Warrington wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Christian Pernegger wrote: - setting up the developent environment was a bitch Could you please send me why ? - Setting up ScratchBox ??? -

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Barr
On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now what we are concentrating on, beside improving the above is to enable participation and contribution in stages to different parts of maemo, starting with HAF/Sardine which I hope would extend. The starting up and adoption barrier for

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Jaime Ruiz Frontera
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:16:15 -0400 Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/29/06, Devesh Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] (Just a personal gripe of mine: Proper monitor mode support in the WLAN driver so Kismet will run correctly. ... and packet injection support for aireplay ;)

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Anderson Briglia
Hi Alessandro, Are you in Brazil, right?! Why don't you request some help from PROCON? ( that means Consumer Protection Department, from whom is not in Brazil). ;-) I believe they can help you with your frustrations. As far as I understood, you are not interesting in improving anything here, you

RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Alessandro Ikeuchi
You don´t help either... Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. And I am here as customer, not as community member. If you work on Maemo, sorry to say, I tried as a good guy before and

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Simon Budig
Alessandro Ikeuchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () expects UTF-8 as the second argument. I don't know what C99 / C++ define for the \u excape sequences (probably wide chars or something like this), but I

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread T L Holaday
It is inappropriate to use a developer community mailing list for customer support.On 8/29/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi aikeuchi-at-santanderbanespa.com.br |maemo.dev/gmailLabelled| ... wrote: And I am here as customer, not as community member. -- ~tlholaday()

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. You're mostly harmed just by your incompetence. In 90% of stuff you posted the problem was on your side. And I am here as customer, not as community member. Then you are at the wrong

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Paulo Pires
There is http://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ for this particular case. But, unfortunately, nobody is answering in its forums and not even in this ML.Paulo Pires On 8/29/06, Jaime Ruiz Frontera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:16:15 -0400Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[maemo-developers] Initiating connections programatically

2006-08-29 Thread D. Scott Brown
My team is developing an application that will be used by tech- clueless consumers. All data is displayed in a portrait screen orientation, and our application is intended to run directly from startup in place of the default Hildon launcher. Because of this, we need to provide our own UI

[maemo-developers] Difference between retail rootfs and developer rootfs

2006-08-29 Thread Henri Sivonen
What's the difference between the rootfs installed by default on devices that ship with OS2006 and Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0_armel- rootfs.jffs2 (besides USB networking and root access being enabled)? What does easier debugging mean besides root access? Or to ask another way, is there any

RE: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread George Farris
On Tue, 2006-29-08 at 14:46 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: You don´t help either... Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. I think you have made your point, everyone has read it. Can

[maemo-developers] Re: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-29 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 20:10 +0200, Simon Budig wrote: Alessandro Ikeuchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, \u00E3, -1); gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () expects UTF-8 as the second argument. I don't know what C99 / C++ define for the \u excape

Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-29 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/29, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, There are plenty of other small differences, *some* of which are explained in this tutorial. (my emphasis). Now the only way to change that *some* into an *all* is to give us (the community) either easy access to the source code (best) But