tcsh

2008-11-21 Thread COURTAUD Didier
I am looking for tcsh for Diablo. I have found by Google that there was a port of tcsh on 770 but the link is broken. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users

the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
What the Hell is going on with Maemo repositories? Today I've been trying to install kismet package, and after trying to download it from eko.one.pl I found the following warning message:http://eko.one.pl/maemo/

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal servers all over the Internet, it will make things easier to find and hopefully more

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. PD: Sorry very much if you find this message unpolite, but I'm really fed up with this kind of situations... Apologising after being impolite

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal servers all over the Internet, it will make things

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, please. I'm just an unsatisfied customer, and Quim is Marketing Manager at Nokia.

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get what you're saying, but remember that Nokia is in this for the money, not for others' benefit or because it's the right thing to do. That means planned obsolescence is in effect, as well as control (in other words, *not* true FOSS) and other things...

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. ...so two wrongs make a right?... PD: Sorry very much if you find this

Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Tim Teulings
Hallo! As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (which I did not need) and no timeline was given. We never talked about the actual

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 21.11.2008, 20:10 +0100 schrieb sebastian maemo: 2008/11/21 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, please.

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note that Nokia regarding this aspect is not Apple. Please calm down and let the facts speak. Ok, Tim. I *really* love your contribution to the Maemo community, and anderenen repository was one of my *must*... So I really appreciate your point of

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo! As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (which I

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nokia apparently thinks they can just throw their devices out into the wild and their responsibility ends there. ;-) That's exactly how I feel about it... Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list

Aw: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Tim Teulings
Hello! ...Which is clearly a bad idea. The details obviously *should* be worked out and a timeline chosen so that the switchover can happen smoothly. It can be cooperative rather than dictatorial, but that's irrelevant to the end-user. But Nokia did not force me to immediately shutdown the

Re: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want kismet do your port and put it into extras yourself. There was not includes kismet on your product package I'm sure of. Hi Tim, I think you're going the wrong way... Salut, Sebas. PD: Should Nokia place an advertising in their Tablets'

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread lakestevensdental
A couple comments on this subject. First, it doesn't do anyone any good to attack the messengers or worker bees regardless of what their involvement with the tablets is. Stuff happens, stuff gets noticed and brought to attention, stuff gets corrected. No one is intentionally screwing things

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM, lakestevensdental [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consolidation -- It's fine with endusers like me if repositories are consolidated. Perhaps it would help if Nokia offered some sort of incentive, like low priced/free units and alpha/beta testing for developers using

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark wrote: The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it realistically, they are going to have to deal with the occasional attack. Get used to it!

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
Wow, I'm impressed at how much FUD-spewing sans-facts is going on in this thread. Bravo. So, let me set a few things straight: First, there is ABSOLUTELY no conspiracy involved. Eko1 was not singled out because it contained a pen-testing tool, in fact, it wasn't singled out at all. Niels

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread lakestevensdental
Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the maemo

Re: App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: As it is, App Manager seems a rather crude work in progress that displays the crudest information during the updating process -- it doesn't even say what repository catalog is being updated during the update process.

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it realistically, they

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast

Fwd: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly transitions like these can cause some short-term instability that makes things harder for specific individuals, but the overall effect for the community, and the long-term effect for everybody is an environment with

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Mark Haury wrote: Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your average user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
sebastian maemo wrote: Yes, I was a bit stressed maybe because every semester I have the same problem when I happen to reflash my Nokia 770 and am unable to find the fucking packages I need for my fucking unusable tablet... Sorry about that and my stressed unpolite fucking language...