Re: [maemo-users] Bug in clock with the last firmware
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 12:05:27PM +0200, Israel Herraiz wrote: I just installed the last firmware (released yesterday), and it seems that there is a bug in the clock application. ... Before reporting the bug, I would like someone to verify it with his/her device. A number of people reported it in the Internet Tablet Talk forums: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1840page=2pp=10 Marius Gedminas -- Committee, n.: A group of men who individually can do nothing but as a group decide that nothing can be done. -- Fred Allen signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] JFFS errors on rootfs - how to fix
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:16:33PM +0200, Martin Mueller wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:41:05AM -0500, David D. Hagood wrote: I've noticed my Nokia rebooting a lot more than I think it should - even rebooting in the middle of the night, with its cover on and (theoretically) idle. I've looking in the dmesg log and I am seeing a lot of Inode # was a directory with children - removing those too... as well as jffs2_get-inode_nodes(): Data CRC failed on node at 0x067f4224: Read 0xe4d99ffe, calcuated 0xefc11b90 I conjecture there is a problem in my rootfs - is there a simple way to correct this? I don't know how to correct it, but I see them too. I also have the random reboot problem. I would reflash the device if this ever happened to me. Marius Gedminas -- If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Anyone know of a car (cigaret-lighter) charger for the 770?
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 12:06:18AM +0200, Jack Jansen wrote: I've gone over the Nokia website a couple of times now (most of the site really does not seem to believe the 770 exists in the first place:-), but I haven't found the answer, and local Nokia outlets are also blissfully unaware of the 770, so I'll try here next: is any of the Nokia car-chargers compatible with the 770? The Nokia Mobile Charger DC-4 is compatible. http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,75023,00.html: Sales Package Content ... * Travel charger (AC-4) ... Enhancements * Mobile charger (DC-4) * Charger adapter (CA-44) * RS-MMCs Marius Gedminas -- Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane). signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Custom BIN Image
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 02:52:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote: Is there a way to create an image redy to be flashed (like the one we download for update) - with my own stuff, i.e.: Download the .bin from the update site, apply my changes to it (like symlinks, root access) and then re-flash the device with it... http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ModifyingRootImage HTH, Marius Gedminas -- Stupidity management for the superuser is a user space issue in Unix systems. -- Alan Cox signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] installing applications from control panel -- no 'extras' folder
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 05:57:43PM -0400, Christine Liu wrote: i just installed xterm. however, it installed successfully (so it said), yet there is no 'extras' folder in my main menu. i do know how it should look, since it worked like that on my first machine. It should be there. Does rebooting help? i also tried installing another app (python), but that doesnt show up either after installation. Python does not add any entries to the Extras menu. i did a search for 'xterm' and the only file that is returned is the source .deb. Look for osso-xterm in /var/lib/install/usr/bin. how do i access thes installed files? anyone else have this problem, or a suggestion? (another unrelated problem is that sometimes the file manager does not recognise the memory card. i had to reboot for it to see it again. is this normal?) This happened to me once. I assume this happens if you pull old the MMC card while it is still in use. If you then put it back in, it will not be recognized until you reboot. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- Place mark here -[ ]- if you want a dirty monitor. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Playing DVDs on Nokia 770
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:10:14AM +0200, Martin Grimme wrote: Am Dienstag, den 09.05.2006, 19:56 -0400 schrieb Tony K.: I came across a reference to using a Nokia 770 to view DVDs stored on a memory card. What format and how would one do this? See reference under 18 Dec 2005 and DVDs on Train. http://www.advogato.org/person/pycage/diary.html?start=38 I was using mencoder (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) for converting DVDs into a format the Nokia 770 could read. mencoder dvd:// -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=64 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=300:autoaspect -vf scale=240:144 -ffourcc DIVX -ofps 25000/1001 -o movie.avi How much time did the conversion take? Marius Gedminas -- America and England are two countries separated by a common language. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Is RD mode harmful?
Hi folks, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot says Once root access has been granted, it is recommended to disable RD mode. Why is it so? In what way modifying /etc/sudoers or the gainroot script is better than keeping RD mode on? (I promise to put the answer to the wiki.) Marius Gedminas -- Wipe Info uses hexadecimal values to wipe files. This provides more security than wiping with decimal values. -- Norton SystemWorks 2002 Manual signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] control key while using ssh (dropbear client) remotely
Hi, On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 06:18:40PM -0400, Christine Liu wrote: p.s. i havent tried, but maybe the escape key on the nokia (the one right below the 4 arrow one, a curved arrow looking thing) might act as an escape key in vim, Yes it does. depending on settings. i think the wiki talks about it. (http://www.maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog?highlight=%28vim%29#head-5a2314e34a0e247ce137af6a95b37ae8e7a74b83) honestly i would go crazy using vim while inputting on the nokia! ssh in, baby :) Actually, vim works pretty well on the Nokia with the on-screen keyboard. It helps a lot that you can do almost everything with purely alphanumeric commands. The word autocompletion code must think I'm crazy, though. ;) Marius Gedminas -- Cheap, Fast, Good -- pick two. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Presentation to Local LUG
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:53:22PM -0400, Jeremy Mcnicoll wrote: I am cross posting this on purpose, because I want as much feedback / ideas as I can get. I am doing a presentation to a local LUG that I am a regular member and contributor (http://www.oclug.on.ca). The topic for this month (June 6/06) is you guessed it the N770, by guess who. ME! So what I was hoping for is input from you guys. What sorts of things would people out there recomend that I talk about? Right now the talk is planned to cover the following: -High level view of what the device is. -Developement environement -overall description of what the device is, and how it functions -What applications are available. -Simple demo. It seems to me that applications and demo are the most interesting part. A couple of interesting applications you could show: - FBReader for e-books (get free (legal) ebooks from http://www.baen.com/library/) - Maemo Mapper (optionally with a bluetooth GPS, which of course won't work indoors) This has to be about an hour in length and there is a range of backgrounds attending. Though most of them are hard core geeks. ;-) Hard core geeks you say? How about showing an SSH server on the device, or demoing the mounting of NFS shares. Or how vim works with the on-screen keyboard in an xterm. Or how to repackage a debian package from the Debian ARM port so that it is installable with the Application Installer. Cheers, Marius Gedminas -- Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life... -- R. B. Forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Where are the gestures?!
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 11:48:27AM +0200, Laurent MARTIN wrote: Works for me. Make sure the end point of the movement (just before you release the stylus) is not on the letter you're trying to shift. It works! Thank you very much... I think I was really tired yesterday evening ;-) As I still grab the mic, another question: vi has now been embedded in the system, but with only few commands available. For example, u to undo a command does not work, and :set is not available so I'm not able to set vi as nocompatible. Any advice on this? Any plans to port a more fully functional release? TIA. People were porting vim to OS2006. Check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 I see a vim 7.0 port there. (By the way, multi-level undo, :set nocompatible and a large bunch of other options are vim extensions that were not present in the original vi.) Marius Gedminas -- Cool. Does it also recode ISO10646-1 pcf files into the funny permutations and subsets used a long time ago in a galaxy far far away on the planets Isolatinus XV and Koiruski VIII ... -- Markus Kuhn inquires about libXft signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] 2G mmc with 2006
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 01:07:20PM -0700, George Farris wrote: Nokia published the final release of the 2006 Software Edition. The image is available at http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 . Cool. Anyone tried a 2G mmc card with 2006 yet? If so does it work? Someone on www.internettablettalk.com forums mentioned that it doesn't: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17106postcount=10 Marius Gedminas -- Never assume the reader has read the subject line. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: power saving (was: Re: [maemo-users] Metal case for Nokia 770)
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 09:02:36AM -0600, Leonard Sitongia wrote: What about when you power off the 770 with the switch on the top? I assume that's a complete halt in Linux. OS2006 has an alarm function that works even if the 770 is switched off. I think this implies something different than a complete halt, at least if the alarm is set. Marius Gedminas -- CBQ is merely the oldest kid on the block - yet it is by far the least useful qdisc and also the most complex one. I advise *against* using it. This may come as something of a shock to many who fell for the 'sendmail effect', which learns us that any complex technology which doesn't come with documentation must be the best available. -- Linux Advanced Routing HOWTO signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] how to FULL WIPE and reflash?
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:30:05PM -0500, Bob Crawford wrote: I just upgraded to the 2006 version of the software. Like it. But... Problem: With the Notes app in full-screen, hitting the ± rocker caused NOTES app to stop responding. Since then, every time I save a file (plaintext or formatted) each newline is doubled, and doubled again on all subsequent saves. Okay, I then reflashed the 2006 image. Problem persists. I think this is a bug in the Notes app. I don't use it much, but I have also noticed doubled newlines sometimes. Marius Gedminas -- Despite all appearances, your boss is a thinking, feeling, human being. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Video encoding and codecs
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:45:35PM +0200, Arndt Heuvel wrote: Am Donnerstag, 27. Juli 2006 10:44 schrieb Christophe Nowicki: Hi, I'd like to encode my movies with dvdrip and watch them on my Nokia 770. And I'd like to known what is the best codecs and encoding params to get small files and good picture quality? I see this here on the list, but I never try it out: mencoder dvd:// -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=64 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=300:autoaspect -vf scale=240:144 -ffourcc DIVX -ofps 25000/1001 -o movie.avi There is also http://maemo.org/maemowiki/VideoEncoding Marius Gedminas -- If you are good, you will be assigned all the work. If you are real good, you will get out of it. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Upgrade to OS 2006 Edition with a Linux Host
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 04:03:56PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10 Aug 2006 um 15:30 hat Rainer Dorsch geschrieben: many thanks for the quick response. I almost dropped the Nokia because of this missing feature. Nokia should add this link to their web page. Is the headset which comes with the 770 good enough for VOIP, i.e. does it have a microphone? AFAIK there is no headset included with the 770. The 770 has a build in mircrophone and speaker and you can, with some tricks, connect a bluetooth headset to the 770. See here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothHeadset This page says that while you can connect the headset, but you cannot actually use it. Marius Gedminas -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] mounting ext2
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:24:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I don't like about vfat is its reliability. I happen to have a corrupted file system from time to time and I hate to know that I have no tools on board to repair the vfat file system. I miss fsck.vfat. I also checked for the package on the debian server and ran 'apt-get install dosfstools'. It said it had the newest version already installed. fsck.vfat seems to be missing. There's fsck.msdos, which does support VFAT filesystems. Marius Gedminas -- Life was simple before World War II. After that, we had systems. -- Grace Murray Hopper, 1987 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: [maemo-users] Problems with audio-playback since IT2006 update
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 06:55:36PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I updated to IT2006 audio playback is often very distorted. It happens from time to time, sometimes it goes away, sometimes I have to turn the device on/off to make it working again. It sounds more or less like MP3 at very low quality modes (32kbps or so). Has anybody else seen this behaviour, and has already a bug report filed? However I can confirm your experiences with mp3 playback (also streams). It often occurs when the n770 is under heavy io-load. The skips are annoying. I haven't heard anything as weird as Clement described, but I get skips. OS2005: no skips. OS2006: same set of mp3 files on the MMC card, I get skips. The CPU seems to be 100% used during audio play (according to the oss-statusbar-cpu graph), don't know for, but it probably causes those skips. Another funny thing with the audio player: if you remove a file from the filesystem, but leave it in the playlist, the audio player will try to connect to the Internet. Marius Gedminas -- When all else fails, read the instructions. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 04:00:31PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of a couple of badly missing features such as: An applet that would watch the resources availabitily and warn a user if launching yet another window or application would definitely cause a lockdown (followed by imminent reboot). I have seen enough reports from the end-users complaining that the system is not stable even with IT2006 update. The fact is that the most of them are not aware of the scarce OS resources they hold in their hands. A notification applet to make them aware would help thwart off future negative reviews and general confusion. Agreed. The load applet from the application catalog does a pretty good job at this. If the memory is full, I try to close some app before starting a new one. If the CPU is busy, I know that I should wait, instead of assuming that I didn't press the screen hard enough and retrying. osso-statusbar-cpu is not as good for this, because the current stat is pretty much invisible -- it focuses more on showing history. By the way, in my experience OS2006 deals much better with low memory situations than OS2005 did. I don't remember when I got a reboot due to running out of memory. Instead, I get random unexplained reboots (the task navigator bar disappears, the current application resizes and redraws, then in a second the device reboots. I think some statusbar plugin may be at fault.) And lastly, the Task Navigator bar width should be configurable. There is no reason for its fattness as it is - it is just a waste of desktop realstate, IMHO. Actually, there is a reason -- so that you could hit the icons with your thumb. It would be difficult if the bar was slimmer, or the icons smaller. Also, perhaps a docking station developed by Nokia for future models might be a boon for the end-users. Yes, please. A cradle that my 770 does not fall out of, if I press a hardware key. With the ability to plug a charger into the cradle so that I can charge the device without the power cable sticking out inconveniently downwards and having to bend it and risk damaging it. Marius Gedminas -- Wipe Info uses hexadecimal values to wipe files. This provides more security than wiping with decimal values. -- Norton SystemWorks 2002 Manual signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 08:15:12PM +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 18:09 +0100, ext Peter Robinson wrote: snip - Expanded power management. This is more kernel than actual UI but some of the things that I've seen around for projects like OLPC where if the sound driver isn't used for a couple of seconds its shut down etc. Things like the USB port, in the general scheme of things, aren't used very often so could (not sure if they are all ready) be shut down most of the time to save battery (saw a blog entry somewhere where someone played with the shutdown of usb when not in use and saved a couple of watts). Done already, check the power management and drivers code. Next? Cool! By the way, I remember hearing somewhere that in OS2005 if you had the audio player open and paused, the device would not enter into a full power savings mode and would drain the battery faster. Is this fixed in OS2006? Marius Gedminas -- When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. -- Robert A. Heinlein signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Add New Clock Timezone
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 05:11:35PM -0700, Alex Crough wrote: How can I add a new clock location to the clock? I had found a text file once listing city names, their coordinates, and the corresponding timezone names. And a few other things that are probably unused (e.g. locale name)? It's here: /usr/share/osso-clock/wdb-parsed.txt Tamper with it at your own risk ;) My timezone is not in the system? And what timezone is that? All the timezones known to the system are in /usr/share/zoneinfo. Any help is apreiciated. Marius Gedminas -- As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. -- Weisert signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] VOIP
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 10:43:22AM -0400, Etienne Richards wrote: I am at the point where I am planning to upgrade to OS 2006 so that I can play with the VOIP. * I have not seen a How To on this subject. Do you know of any? http://tableteer.nokia.com has a How-to. Warning: the site is only accessible from the Nokia 770, otherwise it redirects. Which is stupid, IMnsHO. * What type of microphone / headset works best? The internal one. You can't actually use anything else. It works quite well from a distance (when you hold the device in your hands in front of you). * Can I use a Bluetooth headset? (Are there specific models that work) No. Marius Gedminas -- Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:02:11PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still accepting feature ideas to my roadmap, so please keep on posting them on the list. What would you wish from your dream-device in terms of UI framework (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar, Control panel)? Is there something you would like to have done better or something that you'd like to have to be done in a completely different way? Don't limit your imagination to how e.g. Task Navigator works now, but think how it would ideally work, without the limits? What would be ultra-cool there? Speed. User interface that redraws instantly. Sort of like Palms did with their dinky 33 MHz processors. ;) The ability to enter Ctrl+Foo combinations from the virtual keyboard (for xterm) would also be nice. Support for Bluetooth file transfers out of the box. Now the 770 can access a phone's file system (via OBEX FTP), but you cannot transfer files from one 770 directly to another (or to a Palm). I also want OBEX PUSH. Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. Movie playback without having to reencode. Marius Gedminas -- Lost packet, 42 bytes, last seen on a saturated OC3, reward $$$. -- Eric^2 on Slashdot signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] should I disable lifeguard-reset?
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:46:39PM +0300, Ville Ranki wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 12:18 +0200, Armin M. Warda wrote: Besides just being able to disable/enable the lifeguard, to me it would even make sense if the N770 would support another setting, in which it only would advice the user that an essential component just failed and a reboot would probably fix the problem. I just installed a bunch of applications and now the device is in reboot cycle. The only desktop applet i installed was gnomeweather, so i think it might be responsible for this. Yes, it is. I've added a warning about this to the ApplicationCatalog2006Wip page a while ago. If anyone has any ideas how to debug a home page applet that only crashes on reboot, please let me know. I wasn't able to reproduce the crash inside Scratchbox. As a new feature for Karoliina i'd suggest either: 1) Dialog that tells user if a essential component has been killed and restart it. Gnome panel is a good example - If it crashes, it restarts itself. If a panel applet crashes, panel prompts user if he/she wishes to restart the applet or remove it from panel. 2) Safe mode. If the device reboots two times spontaniously it could do some sanity checks and for example disable all extra desktop applets. +1 Normal user would now take the device to service but i'll try disabling the lifeguard reset.. Marius Gedminas -- Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Good GPS Bluetooth module
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 12:11:10AM +0400, Andrey Brindeew wrote: If I had done some more research before buying it I would probably have chosen the Nokia one that uses a compatible charger. What model - LD-1W or LD-3W or both uses compatible charger? IIRC one uses the old-style charger (thicker), while the other uses the new-style charger (the same as the 770). I don't remember which is which, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3W that is newer and uses a newer charger. Marius Gedminas -- Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Information about Nokia 770
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 09:49:02AM -0300, forger wrote: Hey everyboddy! So, after all this time long... does 770 still worth the price ?! Or should i wait for some other (new) MAEMO device ? I am very happy with mine. It is far from perfect, but worth the money in my book. Marius Gedminas -- Well, there's a quantum computer that can factor 15, so those of you using 4-bit RSA should worry. -- Bruce Schneier signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] broken /etc/passwd
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:23:50PM +0200, booiiing wrote: although i tested the setup before, i broke my /etc/passwd by setting the shell for user to /bin/bash. bash-m is installed and works when invoked manually and for another user i created also as login-shell. Is /bin/bash listed in /etc/shells? however, osso-xterm terminates immediately after starting after i set the shell for user to bash. can i fix this somehow without flashing the rootfs? i have load-plugin with run-dialog and a second user with unlimited sudo. all accounts happen to be invalid for ssh-login. i also have a backup of the passwd on the mmc. I suppose you could create a dummy package with a postinst script that performs the necessary actions, and then install it. Marius Gedminas -- Q: Why do mountain climbers rope themselves together? A: To prevent the sensible ones from going home. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:05:41AM -0300, Eduardo de Barros Lima wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/source/m/maemopad/ You can always use apt-get source command. MaemoPad and Notes are two different applications. Marius Gedminas -- Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Information about Nokia 770
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:28:58 +0300 Adi Roiban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 09:49 -0300, forger wrote: i think for now nokia 770 is just for geeks, there is no solid application for it non-geeks may enjoy it's screen and video playback. My mother (who is about as far from a geek as possible) uses a Nokia 770 as an e-book reader. Marius Gedminas -- If you want to trick a pointy-haired boss into letting you write software in Lisp, you could try telling him it's XML. -- http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html pgprDKZEUq24N.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Tablett accidentially switches on
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:55:07 +0300 Tomas Junnonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've probably enabled the rd-mode using the flasher. In this mode the device instantly powers on when you press the power button, while usually you have to keep the button pressed a while. In rd-mode it will also power on even if the cover is on. Could the list of the rd-mode effects be documented somewhere (e.g. on the Maemo wiki)? So far I've heard of three effects: - enables sudo gainroot - needed for serial console support - can be used to disable lifeguard - enables instant power on (this one is completely new to me) I'll go and create http://maemo.org/maemowiki/RdMode Marius Gedminas -- Westheimer's Discovery: A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library. pgphZKSHyva5w.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Window manager on the 770
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 07:31:09PM +0200, David Lapetina wrote: etc. I don't think many people read mails while watching a movie (?) If not mails at least reading an ebook, or some paper work ? Or, am i alone in this case ? Yes. ;) Marius Gedminas -- Perl is hard for most people to write. They write PERL or Pearl. -- Abigail signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] New user woes
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 11:26:32AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote:
I haven't had much time to sit down and play with my 770, so all the
questions below are still outstanding. Though I've resolved to flash
to the new image. When time allows.
If by new image you mean OS2006, then do it, you won't be sorry.
Someone asked about installing packages; I've been downloading to an
internet connected computer, then copying via USB over to the 770's
RSMMC card, then installing from the memory card. Is that a reasonable
or best way? If I ever get to the point where I can SSH into my 770,
then it might be more convenient to download directly to the 770.
On OS2006 the most convenient way is to use the application manager.
Brief intro: go to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 or
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories, pick the
repositories you're interested in, add them to the application manager's
catalog list (copy paste is useful here), and then you can download
install the packages (with all their dependencies) with a single mouse
click. Err. With a single tap. Three taps (there's a warning message
about how 3rd party software can break your device yada yada yada).
Brief intro about getting SSH (there's more than one way to do it; this
is mine): add the http://repository.maemo.org and http://mg.pov.lt/770
repositories, install becomeroot and xterm, then in an xterm do 'sudo
su' followed by 'apt-get install ssh'. Lock the root account ('passwd
-l root') or change its password (the default is 'rootme'). Either
create a /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys file if you want to use pubkey
auth, or set a password for the 'user' account. That's it. Well, I
also like to edit /etc/sudoers and add a
user ALL=(ALL) ALL
line (the becomeroot package adds a 'user ALL=(ALL) /bin/su' line only).
HTH,
Marius Gedminas
--
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
___
maemo-users mailing list
maemo-users@maemo.org
https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] getting started?
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 01:31:27PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Now that I've just received my brand new 770 - any suggestions regarding mailing lists to join (besides this one), tutorials, how-tos, key web sites, and so forth? http://maemo.org/ is essential. http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 and http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories are very useful I've just discovered http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoPackages My intended use is a combination of low-key development and as a PIM (if I can pull the pieces together). I'd like to know if you succeed. Personally I'm afraid the PIM use case won't be useful (to me) until Nokia releases a library for sharing the single hardware alarm between multiple applications in OS2007. Maybe someone in the open source community will get there faster? Dates 0.1 is nice, but not useful without recurring events and alarms. I haven't tried GPE yet, but screenshots aren't very encouraging. Marius Gedminas -- Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] connection options
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 02:32:27PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm sure all three are doable, but I don't know how. Using an ad-hoc wireless network might be simplest. Well sure, but that requires some kind of routing on the PC, and basic connection sharing doesn't like using real IP addresses. I do not understand the bit about liking real IP addresses. I need something to act as a router or proxy. Any suggestions? Internet Connection Sharing that comes with Windows does NAT (Network Address Translation). I haven't used any kind of Windows for many years now, so I can't tell you the specifics. Marius Gedminas -- Shift happens. -- Doppler signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] USB Flash Drive
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:35:35AM +0300, Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 01:34, ext Larry Battraw wrote: What you're seeing is symptomatic of having switched the 770 to host mode via the echo host /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode method. I have never gotten my 770 to work as a host this way, and it's sad that this is actually given as an alternative to using the flasher program because it doesn't seem to work. At one point I had my 770 set to host mode (via the flasher method) and had modified one of the init scripts to set it back to slave mode via echo slave /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode. After that echo host /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode would make it switch back to host mode successfully, allowing it to be done on-the-fly. Not sure why doing it from the default slave mode doesn't work. Once you have host mode working you'll see info about your USB drive appear and a device created (Usually /dev/sda1) that you can mount. After you have done the 'echo host ...', it might work after '/etc/init.d/ke-recv stop' and '/etc/init.d/ke-recv start', because ke-recv checks the host mode only when it starts (in order to determine whether the g_file_storage should be loaded or not when USB cable is connected). I've updated http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_SwitchToHostMode with this information. It would be nice if someone confirmed the might work part. (Can I buy a USB hub that provides power to the 770? I'm not all that proficient with soldering irons.) Marius Gedminas -- 31337 is a prime number, go figure... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Flash to 2006 trouble
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 03:14:26AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote: On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 08:39:38AM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Am Dienstag, 19. September 2006 00:41 schrieb Willie McKemie: I just flashed my 770 to the new version. It seemed to go well. But... I find now I can't get an internet connection. ... I am not able to install any extras. I've attempted to install from a file on the memory card, which I've transferred via USB, but it tells me the packages are of the wrong type. Even though I'm pretty sure I have the correct packages. This could mean you're trying to install packages built for OS2005. Do the filenames end in _arm.deb (OS2005), or _armel.deb (OS2006)? Whenever I attempt any internet access (repository access or web browsing), it fails to resolve names and/or waits forever. This is an uncommon problem? I don't think so. I've never heard of this happening to anyone after flashing. It has happened to me a couple of times: I'm supposedly online, but every attempt to resolve a name gives me a Network error. Going offline and back online helps. Do flashes fail often? Should I try re-flashing? Did you try rebooting? I guess I'll check the md5 on the file I flashed. I don't find an md5sum on the maemo download page; can someone confirm that mine is correct: 6d3ac7a2ce6a14f32fff26c99b057e9b ./SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin It is correct. Marius Gedminas -- If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. -- Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Flash to 2006 trouble
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:38:11PM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote: Well, a bit more progress: 1) I flashed back to Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin, which worked fine. Got information from my DHCP server, used that for internet access, allowed internet browsing 2) Flashed back to SU-18_2006SE_1.2006~PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin, which (this time) had internet access through my LAN. I have to conclude that at least some of my prior trouble was caused by a bad flash. BUT, after installing files from the memory card, I still have the X Terminal failing to start. I wonder if I should have installed both those curses packages: ncurses-base_5.4-4_all.deb libncurses5_5.4-4_armel.deb Probably, yes. After installing dropbear_0.48-0.1_armel.deb I still do not have ssh access to the 770. What do you get instead -- connection refused, or permission denied? (I use OpenSSH myself.) I still have not gotten the ApplicationsCatalog2006 thing to work. Maybe that's a cockpit error. I go to ApplicationManagerToolsApplicationCatalog and try to select one or both of the tableteer URLs. New seems to not do what I want; it requires me to type in a URL. What SHOULD I be doing to get one or more repositories specified here? Precisely that: type in a URL. Or use copy paste. The list of repositories is in the wiki (ApplicationRepositories), and the application catalog also should have repository, distribution and component fields that you're supposed to fill in when you add a new application, uh, catalog. Is there some documentation that I've failed to find? I don't think so. If the documentation provided on the maemo wiki is not sufficient, maybe you can add a sentence or two after you've figured things out? I REALLY didn't expect this stuff to be so troublesome. Yeah, if we had something like Ubuntu's universe repository, that could be enabled by checking an option somewhere in the application catalog, and all popular 3rd-party apps lived there, things would be much easier. Marius Gedminas -- One picture is worth 128K words. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Handwriting problems in osso-xterm?
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:55:25PM -0400, Humberto Ortiz Zuazaga wrote: I'm having problems with handwrting recognition in osso-xterm. I upgraded my 770 to 2006, and installed osso-xterm from repository.maemo.org. When I select the handwriting input method, each succesive letter causes the letters before it to be doubled, so if I input ls, the 770 reads lls. I've uninstalled and reinstalled osso-xterm to no avail. Anyone seen similar behaviour? Suggestions? osso-xterm from http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ does not have this problem. Other differences from the original osso-xterm are listed here: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm It has another problem to annoy me instead: http://maemo-hackers.org/ticket/25 Marius Gedminas -- lg_PC.gigacharset (lg = little green men language, PC = proxima centauri) -- Markus Kuhn provides an example of a locale signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Flash to 2006 trouble
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:06:23 -0500 Willie McKemie mckemie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 08:05:40PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: After installing dropbear_0.48-0.1_armel.deb I still do not have ssh access to the 770. What do you get instead -- connection refused, or permission denied? no route to host This is what happens when the 770 is offline, or you use a wrong IP address. DHCP server has given the 770 192.168.110.248, which is reasonable; my local subnet is 192.168.110.x. Host attempting to ssh into 770 gets many response from other hosts with: ping -b 192.16.110.0 But does it get a ping response from 192.168.110.248? Since I haven't set up any user accounts on the 770, I don't know what to expect when I ssh into the 770. A password prompt followed by a Permission denied error. You need to either use SSH pubkey authentication (and specify the username 'user'), or log in as root and set a password for the 'user' account. ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] will work with the password 'rootme'. That's probably not what you want in the long term. I suggest changing the root password. (Or locking the root account with 'passwd -l' after you've set up pubkey auth and granted the user 'user' full sudo rights.) (I use OpenSSH myself.) I'll put openssh in my ever growing list of things to try. :-) Easiest way to install it: first install becomeroot and xterm (and remove dropbear), then open a terminal and do sudo su apt-get install ssh Alternatively, if you're happy with dropbear, stick with it. I think it is supposed to be smaller. It appears that it is set up to automatically use http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ mistral user and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ mistral user Not so? Yes, but those repositories do not contain anything interesting (yet). Marius Gedminas -- To express oneself In seventeen syllables Is very diffic -- John Cooper Clark. pgp1axvDAJa1h.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: problem adding repositorys to the Catalogue.
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:24:21PM +, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:30:08 -0700, Frank Burton wrote: I have just got a 770 and have upgraded to os2006 but am having a hard time adding repositorys to the catalogue. I know that doesn't help you, but just in case someone who _can_ fix that for the better is listening: Manually needing to enter information about catalogs is bad (URL, distribution, component). How about some way to just be able to open some special debian catalog description file with the web browser and that will add a catalogue automagically? I hope that by the time OS2007 comes out, two things will happen * all of the useful and tested packages will be uplosded to the Garage repository (repository.maemo.org/extras) * the Garage repository will be added by defaul (possibly disabled by default, so that clueless users don't have to care about the multitude of unfamiliar app names, half of which require command-line access) Then package installation is just a checkbox away (and maybe a dialog could ask you if you want non-Nokia apps the first-time you start the app manager). Marius Gedminas -- C gives you enough rope to hang yourself. C++ also gives you the tree object to tie it to. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Flash to 2006 trouble
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:54:54PM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote: My current (minor) hang up is trying to invoke esc and ctrl keys. Any help on that? In xterm? Esc is the hardware key with the 3/4 circle arrow. For Ctrl look in the Terminal menu. Poking around the Maemo file structure, I didn't find a syslog; is there such? No. I have a 2gig memory card on the way and look forward to loading it up. Have fun. You need to flash a patched kernel to support 2 gb or larger cards. Marius Gedminas -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: problem adding repositorys to the Catalogue.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Luca Donaggio wrote: 2006/9/22, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ext Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope that by the time OS2007 comes out, two things will happen * all of the useful and tested packages will be uplosded to the Garage repository (repository.maemo.org/extras) This is mostly up to the maintainers of those packages, I'd say. Well, the problem is that it is very difficult to upload a package to the extras (formerly known as contrib) repository for us not using a debian based distro :-) Just a thought: if you use scratchbox, then you effectively have a Debian-based distro inside it. Can't you use dput from inside scratchbox? /me searches Ah, apt-cache search inside my Scratchbox cannot find neither dput nor devscripts (for debsign). A pity, but I don't expect these would be hard to make available. Marius Gedminas -- I'm a shareware signature! Send $2 if you use me, $10 for a manual. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Where can I find gpesyncd?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:24:41AM -0700, Bob Weber wrote: Hello. I've gotten back to trying to sync kde with GPE on the nokia 770. I have opensync setup, and am trying to get gpesyncd running on the nokia. However, when I try to execute gpesyncd -D I get /bin/sh: gpesyncd: not found I found this build on an email list, and I don't really know if it's valid. Running file on gpesyncd, I see: gpesyncd/gpesyncd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, not stripped for comparison, udevinfo on the nokia, looks like this: udevinfo: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, stripped So, is my gpesyncd invalid? Yes, it was built for the old ABI (IT2005). Marius Gedminas -- BYTE editors are people who separate the wheat from the chaff, and then carefully print the chaff. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Where can I find gpesyncd?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 01:08:07PM -0700, Bob Weber wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type title/title Ugh, please disable HTML mail. Running file on gpesyncd, I see: gpesyncd/gpesyncd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, not stripped ... Thanks Marius. I take it Gnu/Linux 2.0.0 shows that it's IT2005, right?br See http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort: * 'file' on IT2005 binaries says ARM, version 1 (ARM) * 'file' on IT2006 binaries says ARM, version 1 (SYSV) Does anyone have gpesyncd for IT2006, or do I have to wait until I know how to build for Maemo? If there's a package in Debian/Ubuntu, I could try to build it for you. Marius Gedminas -- Alan Turing thought about criteria to settle the question of whether machines can think, a question of which we now know that it is about as relevant as the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Dijkstra signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Where can I find gpesyncd?
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 09:39:05PM -0700, Bob Weber wrote: Does anyone have gpesyncd for IT2006, or do I have to wait until I know how to build for Maemo? If there's a package in Debian/Ubuntu, I could try to build it for you. I don't know where to look to find a debian package. The source is at http://www.handhelds.org:8080/gpe/dir?d=gpe/base/gpesyncd. Isn't that what you'd build from? Not entirely; you also need a debian/ subdirectory with a few files. The repository doesn't have them, and Ubuntu doesn't have a gpesyncd package. Creating a Debian package isn't very hard, but it isn't trivial either. I'm afraid I do not have the time and interest to try to package gpesyncd (vim with more features is sitting in the #1 spot of my things to package list, and it's been sitting there for a few weeks already). Marius Gedminas -- lg_PC.gigacharset (lg = little green men language, PC = proxima centauri) -- Markus Kuhn provides an example of a locale signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Problem: automatic boot from off state
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 12:44:36PM +0300, Amit Kucheria wrote: On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:33 -0400, ext Michael Wiktowy wrote: A used 770 never reboots spontaneously. That is what we would hope anyways :) My 770 sometimes reboot while I'm reading an e-book in FBReader. /proc/bootreason indicates it's a software reboot, and /var/lib/dsme/stats show maemo_af_desktop is at fault. I initially suspected the osso-statusbar-cpu plugin, but I still get reboots after I replaced it with load-applet and panel-clock. Once I got a spontaneous reboot with the 32_wd boot reason. This is the software watchdog, right? How soon is it supposed to kick in? The device was responsive and the CPU applet didn't show any high load a couple of seconds before the reboot, so I found the watchdog reset strange. I haven't noticed any spontaneous power-ons yet, but then again I never turn my 770 off. I have never experienced such a thing but that is likely because I almost never turn my 770 off. It lasts a couple days of light use or a single day of pretty heavy use just by making sure you put the cover on between uses to turn off the power-gobbling screen. I plug it in every night while it is still running anyways. It is a usage/charge pattern that works out quite well for me. That is indeed how we envisioned it being used. That was the why we traded the suspend/resume experience (e.g. Zaurus) with instant-on experience. It does require a little getting used to, though. Really? It seemed pretty natural to me. Well, I'be been using a Palm like this for a couple of years before I got a 770. Marius Gedminas -- I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped right there!! -- Steve Gonedes signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] spontainious reboot now endless boot cycle.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:48:00PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Earlier today I picked up the 770 (it was on charger) and touched the screen as I normally would to wake it up. When I tried to reconnect the wifi the browser died (Ok ... happened before) then the 770 itself died (this is new I did have 4 days uptime) and went to the white screen with the blue NOKIA. The progress bar moves across the bottom. When it gets to the right and tries to move to the screen with the two hands (ala Michealangelo) it goes dark and back to the NOKIA screen again... over and over and over. The only way to stop it at this point is to remove the battery. (power switch will not work) This happened to me once: the 770 rebooted, and then rebooted again, without showing the desktop. The second reboot was successful. This 770 is only about a week, week and a half old (got it around the 10th ordered a week before) has a 1gig card installed, running 2006 version of the OS. (It came with that). I tried calling tech support but despite the fact that the website lists Sunday hours they actually are closed on Sunday *sigh* Just curious. Has anyone here seen anything like this? If it were a full size box I'd suspect ram. Tried removing the 1gig chip and it didn't change the actions of the system. Any thoughts from anyone on this? The RS-MMC card is not used as RAM. The 770 has 64 megs of built-in RAM (plus 128 megs of built-in flash memory, used as a hard disk). Some people suspect it may be faulty and have been running memtest on it. I do not thing there were conclusive results. Marius Gedminas -- Is it not true that nobody finds it impossible to believe that a double negative isn't bad grammatical form? -- Mike on alt.pizza.delivery.drivers signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Mailing list Reply-to ... was: Re: Please Help-power-on/boot issue
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 02:08:39PM -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: Please set the Reply-to field in each of the mailing lists to their repective list address. That way the conversation doesn't stray from the ML so easily and when you hit reply, the right thing happens and don't have to do the Reply to All - CC: - To: cut-and-paste weirdness. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Marius Gedminas -- One picture is worth 128K words. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] IT200 upgrade went fine
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:54:42AM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: I don't think I realized there were 2 versions of 2006... how can you tell what's installed? Mine came with 2006 on it. The other one was released just a couple of days ago, so it is *very* unlikely that you have it without knowing. You can find the version number in Control Panel - Device. OS2006.1 is Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition Version: 1.2006.26-8. OS2006.2 will most likely say 2.2006.39-14 (I haven't upgraded yet, but the same version number is in the filename of the firmware image that you can get at http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770). The changelog is at http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2006-November/30.html Marius Gedminas -- ... Another nationwide organization's computer system crashed twice in less than a year. The cause of each crash was a computer virus -- Paul Mungo, Bryan Glough _Approaching_Zero_ (in 1986 computer crashes were something out of the ordinary. Win95 anyone?) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] pdf reader: suggestions for improvement
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:09:10PM +0100, Damien Challet wrote: The pdf reader (a very nice piece of software) makes it a pain to go to the next/prev page for two reasons: 1) lack of dedicated button. There has been a few posts about that. What strikes me is that there are two buttons (select and the full screen button) that have currently exactly the same function: to switch from full screen to windowed mode and back. So we have one spare button. In principle one could use the select button to display the next page (short click) and the previous one (long click). The Back button might be a better fit for going to the previous page. However, as suggested previously, FBreader uses nicely the zoom button to go forward/backward. This is being used for the zoom feature in the pdf reader, but honestly, how often to do change the zoom while reading a pdf file? Once. So the best suggestion is to use the select button to pop-up a zoom chooser and the zoom button to scroll down/go to the next page. Finally, when scrolling down (or up) a page with the D-pad, doesn't it make sense to switch to the next page if one is already a the bottom of a page? Or better yet -- support the continous mode that Acrobat Reader and Evince have and show parts of both pages at the same time. Marius Gedminas -- We have an advanced scalable groupware communication environment (email) -- Alan Cox signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Backup - wishlist
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 04:17:29PM +0100, Nils Faerber wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I'm not sure you saw the about backup and application manager today? ;-) Uh... did I miss something there? It seesm so ;) It happened on the maemo-developers list---your wish has been granted, sort of: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006099.html It was the decision of Marius to *don't make backups* in Application Manager that got us here. And it is already fixed, unfortunatelly for the IT-2006 users, only in Sardine, not in IT-2006. Marius Gedminas -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Operation failed
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 04:28:47PM +0100, Iñigo Illán wrote: I have upgraded my Nokia 770 to the latest flash and since Application Manager has been giving me a Operation failed error when I open the program or when I try to upgrade the package list. The logs gives the following output: osso-application-installer 4.22, UI version 1 E: Problem parsing Provides line E: Error occurred while processing osso-theme-default (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Can anyone figure out what can be happening? It seems that your /var/lib/dpkg/status file is corrupt. Perhaps if you posted it somewhere online someone might hazard a guess as to what happened. Fortunately, dpkg keeps a backup in /var/lib/dpkg/status-old. You can cp it over the /var/lib/dpkg/status file and the application installer shouldn't complain any more. Did you get this error the first time you ran the app installer after reflashing, or did you try to install some package and got the error afterwards? Marius Gedminas -- Where do you think you're going today? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Running Java applets in Internet sites
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 06:08:04PM +0100, Roberto Resoli wrote: 2006/11/3, Amichai Rotman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why can't I run Java applets in Internet sites? I even get an error regarding Java not present when trying to log-in to my GMail account. May be you mean Javascript? AFAIK Gmail does not use java applets. Maybe you have disabled javascript in the browser? Or maybe the browser disabled Javascript automatically, when it noticed you were running out of memory. It does that sometimes, and disables image loading too. Marius Gedminas -- OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] NFS on Nokia 770 IT2006?
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 05:59:56PM +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: Please note that this is solely my personal opinion, not Nokia. ... On our side there might have been some naiveness in trying to push out the binary as soon as it was available, since it wasn't blocked by anything but the GPL constraint, whose _spirit_ we are trying very hard to uphold. I can understand your motivation. Ianal but frankly i doubt any of the community can contribute with speeding up that side. Simply because it requires somebody with an NDA with Nokia. Could Nokia at least provide some sort of estimate when this legal review is going to be done? Said this, the only %100 GPL compliant option left would have been to delay the binary. (As a naive engineer I think fixing the legal process would have been another option, but then what do I know about how large corporations work.) Which is apparently what you are asking with all these whining. I'm sure some people do think delaying a release would have been better than breaking the copyright law. Personally I'm ambivalent. I believe that Nokia is acting in good faith. I also think tolerating violations of the GPL, even temporary, is not a good precedent to make. And none of the bugs fixed in OS2006.2 were bugging me personally so that I would want to get the fix as soon as possible. :-) Please do not interpret this email as an attack, as it was not intended that way. It is a request to understand our point of view. The free software community has its values, and offending those values in the name of expediency is not a good way to make friends. Regards, Marius Gedminas -- Redundancy is bad because it causes errors, and wastes resources. (Ed: Also I think there's a commandment against it in the Bible. Or there was until they refactored them). -- http://www.oblomovka.com/entries/2004/07/29#1091150520 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] 770 on the way
On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 09:28:47PM -0800, Chris Louden wrote: Aside from making sure it has a good charge and general config whats the first thing I should do/install/upgrade? There's no should, but you may be interested in these: - Upgrade the OS version to 2.2006.39-14 if your device doesn't have it yet: http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790. You can find out the version you have in the Control Panel. - Add the Maemo Garage repository to the Application Manager. The details are at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories Not every interesting package is there yet, so you may want to add some other repositories as well. - Install FBReader: the killer app for the 770, in my humble opinion. You can get free e-books from http://www.baen.com/library/, or buy DRM-less ones from http://www.webscription.net/. There are other sources as well, it's just that I remember these two best. - Panel clock applet from: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/ panelclock_0.5_armel.deb - CPU/Memory usage applet (load-applet) from the Maemo Garage repository. - SSH server and client: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InstallSsh2006 - Password Safe for keeping all those passwords you cannot remember - Create a swap file on the MMC card so the device doesn't run out of memory if you have three browser windows, an audio player, and an e-book open at the same time. You can do that in the Control Panel. The downside is that if you enable swap, you can no longer use the USB cable for accessing the MMC card's contents conveniently from your laptop. (I use wifi + sshfs instead, because I do not like cables anyway.) Is there anything that's not intuitive, or anything that is not very well documented that you can suggest based on your experiences? What don't I know that I should know to make best use of the 770 Here's what I use my tablet for: - e-books (FBReader) - mp3 player while walking or driving (a universal car PDA holder is nice to have) - SSH client - web browser - password safe - GPS navigation device with Maemo Mapper and a Bluetooth GPS I almost never use it for email (and when I do I prefer ssh + mutt) or jabber/google talk. Can it transmit audio via the bluetooth? No. Or would the only way to get audio to a headset be something like this http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/13149.jpg which has its own transmitter? Currently, yes. It is possible that a future OS upgrade will add Bluetooth headset support, but don't hold your breath. My interests are using it to read web/gmail/rss, Doable, not very convenient. I sometimes use my 770 for web browsing when I'm too lazy to pull out my laptop out of my backpack; that should give you the relative estimation of the inconvenience ;) listen to mp3s, No problem. and play basic games. None of the available games hooked me so far, but then maybe I just lost my passion for gaming. I've been quite infatuated with the 770 for some time. I absolutely love it. I know its predecessor is just around the corner I think you mean successor. I don't like what I see in the leaked pictures. It's ugly. but I could not hold off any longer and ordered one. Should arrive by the end of the week with a 2GB RS-MMC. You definitely want to upgrade to the 2.2006.39-14 OS version then. Earlier ones didn't support 2GB cards. I have a 1GB card, and so far it has been (barely) sufficient. I think it was the images I saw of the Canola project that made me decide I could no longer wait. Marius Gedminas -- Never attribute to malloc that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- From the .sig of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Pommnitz) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] passwords
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 08:11:49PM -0600, Brian Spindel wrote: Does anyone know how passwords are stored on the 770? I would have guessed in /etc/shadow, but I don't see that file. I've lost the root password, and I plan to crack it using John the Ripper, but I am open to suggestions of a better approach. Enable sudo (through rd mode or becomeroot), then set a new password. Marius Gedminas -- ...the only place for 63,000 bugs is a rain forest ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] To the Maemo-Users List Manager: Setting the default reply to: for this list
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 09:06:54PM +0100, Paule Ecimovic wrote: How about setting the default reply-to for the maemo-users list to maemo-users rather than to each individual list contributer. This way, replies would be posted back to the list by default rather than being sent to the one person to whose point/question/comment one is immediately replying. -0.5 My mailer has separate reply and reply to list functions. I have in the past accidentally sent personal replies to lists that obnoxiously rewrite the Reply-To header. Marius Gedminas -- Given enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow. -- Eric S. Raymond, The Cathedral and the Bazaar signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] An Easier Way to Add Repos After a Flash / Reflash
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 04:28:06PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to have an easy way to add the repos on the MaemoRepos list in an automatic fashion - i.e. import some file from the xterm (after adding the one repo that containes the osso-xterm package. Back up and restore /etc/apt/sources.list. You need to be root. Better yet: It would be nice to have a PostFlash HOWTO N770 friendly - an HOWTO I'll surf to from my device and perform the steps for all those thing we all do anyway after flashing (Didn't we all enable the becomeroot, added the repos and installes apps like osso-xterm and FBReader?) Start a page on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ and we'll chip in. Marius Gedminas -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] File system
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:13:47AM -0600, John Leko wrote: Perhaps this is documented somewhere and I just missed it, but I am looking for a map of the file system. Specifically, I am using an osso-xterm on the 770 to browse the file system which now starts out at /home/users. To access the RS-MMC card, I go to /media/mmc1, however, the 770 has a set of directories directly stored on the device (e.g., Audio, Documents, Images, etc.). Is it possible to access those directories via the command-line, and if so through what path? Yes: /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds /home/user/MyDocs/.documents /home/user/MyDocs/.images /home/user/MyDocs/.videos You can also create other directories in /home/user/MyDocs/, and these will be shown alongside the default ones in the file dialogs. For example, I created /home/user/MyDocs/Tracks for storing Maemo Mapper tracks. I have spent a good deal of time navigating the system and this is not obvious to me. For some reason these are all hidden directories (names begin with a dot). My guess for the reason would be internationalization. Marius Gedminas -- Linux. Where do you want to go tomorrow? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Using ntpdate (or Where's hwclock?)
On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:53:29AM +0200, Tomas Junnonen wrote: ext Marius Gedminas wrote: Obviously, I need to set the hardware clock from the system clock. How can I do that on the 770? There's no hwclock. Use /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/retutime --rtc-from-system Thanks! BTW when I run that, I see New time invalidates preset alarm: disabling although the alarm was already disabled (last time I used was weeks ago). I then set the alarm for tomorrow's morning, just to see what would happen, and ran retutime again. The message did not appear. I think the hardware alarm is set for a date + time, rather than just time, and that retutime disables the alarm if the time you're setting is past the original alarm datetime. Marius Gedminas -- Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life... -- R. B. Forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Problem connectin to internet (GPRS) using Samsung E900 phone
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 10:46:17PM +0100, Anders Rune Jensen wrote: On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 15:31 +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: You are correct! Don't know why I didn't think about this before. /etc/resolv.conf is not created, so I took the one from my ordinary computer and copied it to the nokia and now it works! There seems to be only one problem left. It disconnects after about 30-120 seconds no matter if it transferring or not. I have encountered a very similar problem on my laptop with various GPRS devices (my Sony-Ericsson T68i phone, a few GPRS PC Cards). Setting two pppd options helped: lcp-echo-interval 0 lcp-echo-failure 0 Marius Gedminas -- BYTE editors are people who separate the wheat from the chaff, and then carefully print the chaff. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] OpenVpn connection
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 06:21:26PM +0100, Hans-Peter Mani wrote: In order to secure my wireless network i have installed openvpn on every client. My Nokia 770 has openvpn installed as well. The tablet is not aware of the vpn connection and tries to contact a web site immediately after it got a wireless connection. I always get an error message something like 'site could not be reached' until the vpn connection is setup. Can the wireless dbus message 'connected' intercepted to start the vpn and a 'connected' message sent out after the vpn connection is established ? What is nokia 770 way to deal with vpn's ? Perhaps this would help: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/DummyIAP ? Marius Gedminas -- If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: MMC Filesystem becomes read-only after a while
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:21:24AM -0600, Kahlil Johnson wrote: If you don't have Linux, you can reformat it on Windows and other systems too, it's a standard FAT32 partition. I dont use windows, I'll give a try to mkfs, hope this works. Thanks. IIRC the File Manager on the 770 has a menu item for formatting the memory card. Alteratively you could connect the 770 it via USB, unmount the filesystem if your distro mounts it automatically, and then run dosfsck on it. Marius Gedminas -- You have moved the mouse. NT must be restarted for the changes to take effect. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: issues with ncurses
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 03:26:39PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: I installed xterm however when I installed ncurses it failed the installation the problem is that backspace doesnt work correctly. It does delete however standard output just generate a square instead of deleting the character. have anyone had this issue before, is there a workaround? It is just visual problem. Put control l to xterm. Similar is for vi. If you ssh to the 770, everything looks fine. Little bug in xterm, I think. Nothing to worry about, since it is marvelous gadget. I have never seen this problem. Which xterm do you use? The official one, or the one from maemo-hackers? I use the mh version. Marius Gedminas -- I am right now in the process of reading the Xft source code (the suspense near the end of Chapter 7 is unbearable) [...] -- Juliusz Chroboczek signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 03:22:11PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: Sorry to reply so lately. I had hard time to send mail to the maemo ser- ver, whatever the reason is. (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) The eyes go downward, not left-right. T h a t d o e s n o t c o n v i n c e m e . : - ) Marius Gedminas -- He who sacrifices functionality for ease of use Loses both and deserves neither signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Connect to WLAN from command line
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 09:57:00AM +1100, Pigeon wrote:
I had to do something similiar. However iwconfig simply won't work
properly for some reason, I asked around a while ago:
http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg01896.html
Anyway, I figured a working but dodgy way to get it working.
Firstly you have to setup the wireless connection at the usual GUI
configuration. Make sure this works.
Then I have a script that runs:
dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd
com.nokia.icd.connect string:${IAP} uint32:0
where $IAP is the identifier (name) of the wireless connection you've
setup in the GUI config.
What's even worse is, I have to run that command line every 5
seconds or so (I put it in the script in a while loop to run that and
then sleep 5), as the connection daemon seems to disconnect
automatically. I think it disconnects if there's no application using
the N770 framework/lib to make network connections. So if I have some
custom software that uses the network it won't help either.
Do you know how to use /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh on the 770? See
http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_connectivity_guide.html
for more information.
I've written a small shell script that wraps ssh and automatically
brings up the WLAN if it isn't on already. Maemo keeps the connection
up as long as my ssh session is active. (Of course it only works for
sessions from the 770 to some remote server. It would be cool if
ssh my-nokia brought its wifi up, but there's a chicken-and-egg problem
here.)
Marius Gedminas
--
Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares?
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
___
maemo-users mailing list
maemo-users@maemo.org
https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Connect to WLAN from command line
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:43:48PM +0100, Paule Ecimovic wrote: Does anyone know of various causes of the Connected to ssid via local IP link message in attempting to connect to the internet via WIFI on Nokia 770 with the latest ITOS 2006 although this also happened with ITOS 2005 in all subversions? It happens when the DHCP request times out. Marius Gedminas -- I'm a shareware signature! Send $2 if you use me, $10 for a manual. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Unable to connect to WIFI with 770
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 05:23:08PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My university uses the following parameters for the Wifi : WPA ; WPA - Entreprise TKIP. PEAP. MS-CHAP-V2 As far as I can tell, my university uses the same set of settings. I can connect to the wifi with my 770. Sometimes I get authentication failure and have to try again a few times. How can I have more details about the error, or is there something not compatible between the AP and the 770? AFAIK you can't without looking at the logs on the AP, or capturing the packets on the network. Marius Gedminas -- I want patience, and I WANT IT NOW! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:54PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to attempt to defend the concept of Always ON, think about the general populace - tech savvy enough to use VoIP, but not geek enough to understand/care about what goes into making it work. They would not understand why they can't receive their VoIP calls on Gtalk, Skype, etc. _all_ the time. After all it works on PCs. Always ON is great for geeks too -- often when somebody asks some question about the contents of the filesystem on the 770, I try to ssh into it to take a look. Having to pull it out of the pocket, slide the cover off, and click three times to get online is annoying. On the other hand I am not willing to trade battery life of 24 hours of casual use for always on. Marius Gedminas -- Inform all the troops that communications have completely broken down. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:15:56PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote: Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snipped helpful description of power saving] Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. You put the finger on it. Even the cover is sometimes inconvenient. I wish I could press the power button and get the screen to blank immediatelly. That's what the Palms used to do. Power + lock screen doesn't do what I want -- it dims the screen but doesn't blank it. Marius Gedminas -- One could envision a different approach to persistence (hands wave and magical stardust appears overhead to percussive indian string music) where objects in the database were proxied rather than deriving from a common base class. -- Casey Duncan signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] n800 standard email application
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 02:01:51AM -0800, Andy Mulhearn wrote: On Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 09:53AM, Simon Opelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all lucky owners of the new N800! I am not one of them :((yet...) Can any of you tell me if the bundled email application has been improved over the IT2006 version? In particular, does it mange IMAP folders this time? See [1] for a quite useful intro/overview on the N800. The mail client seems to be exactly the same .. product .. like the one shipped with IT2006 So completely broken then. I wouldn't call it completely broken. It does the things it was designed to do. Now, completely unusable is a fitting description. osso-xterm + ssh + mutt beats the crap out of the built-in email client. Marius Gedminas -- Anybody who doesn't cut his speed at the sight of a police car is probably parked. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] n800 standard email application
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:39:42AM -0800, Andy Mulhearn wrote: ... The mail client seems to be exactly the same .. product .. like the one shipped with IT2006 So completely broken then. I wouldn't call it completely broken. It does the things it was designed to do. Now, completely unusable is a fitting description. A semantic difference that I won't argue over. We seem to be in violent agreement. :-) But perhaps Nokia would have been better balancing the resources comitted to getting the 800 to market against making sure it went to market with usable software. From what I hear, a better email client (Modest) is in the works somewhere at Nokia. Marius Gedminas -- Look! Before our very eyes, the future is becoming the past. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] A scary story with a happy ending
Yesterday I installed a couple of games into my 770. And one of the games didn't fit--I've filled up the partition. Scary things started happening--the user interface became very nonresponsive, I couldn't switch between tasks, I couldn't open the task menu, I couldn't tap on the globe icon. I could switch to the desktop, but it wouldn't even display my wallpaper--instead I got a white background and a dialog saying memory full, free some memory. I had File Manager open. I could finally switch to it somehow. I tried to delete something, and got an error (Unable to complete operation). Uh oh. Finally I noticed that the user interface was becoming responsive again. I could go online and ssh into my 770. I still could not delete any files: $ rm filename rm: filename: No space left on device dmesg was full of kernel messages about the JFFS2 garbage collector being unable to find any free space. Uh oh. I made backups and prepared for reflashing. I rebooted. Opened up xterm, tried to delete a file. I could do it! Then df showed me I had 11 megs freespace. The garbage collector must have worked better after a fresh boot. Moral: * don't fill up your flash, or you'll be sorry * I need more disk space, as usual * the user interface was unresponsive because the 770 was very busy writing to flash (or running the garbage collector), not because it was out of disk space I reflashed anyway, since it was way past time for me to upgrade to OS 2006.2. I've written up a page with instructions for myself to make the backup/restore less painful after a reflash: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash.html The most interesting bit is probably the single-click install file for OpenSSH. Although you do need to set the application manager into red-pill mode to use it. Marius Gedminas -- Q: Why do mountain climbers rope themselves together? A: To prevent the sensible ones from going home. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] A scary story with a happy ending
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:19:12AM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote: ext Marius Gedminas wrote: $ rm filename rm: filename: No space left on device Normal user shouldn't be able to fill the device rootfs this full, only root should be able to do that. And Application installer (which runs dpkg as root) should handle the case of installed package not fitting on the device. The package (bomberman from garage) was unpacked successfully, then ran out of disk space in the configuration phase. I've saved the log: osso-application-installer 4.22, UI version 1 /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/media/mmc1/bomberman_0.98_armel.deb' /usr/bin/dpkg --install '/media/mmc1/bomberman_0.98_armel.deb' Selecting previously deselected package bomberman. (Reading database ... 12546 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking bomberman (from .../mmc1/bomberman_0.98_armel.deb) ... Setting up bomberman (0.98) ... Cache file created successfully. dpkg: error processing bomberman (--install): unable to flush updated status of `bomberman': No space left on device dpkg: failed to open `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for writing status information: No space left on device /usr/bin/dpkg --purge `/usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/media/mmc1/bomberman_0.98_armel.deb' Package` dpkg: unable to open/create status database lockfile: No space left on device apt-worker: Can't remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock: No space left on device E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (28 No space left on device) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? apt-worker: Can't remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock: No space left on device E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (28 No space left on device) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? I hope that's useful. It's possible that the packager has botched the package and it creates at installation files that won't be removed when the package install is canceled. This is the worst bug a package can have on a devices with limited disk space, on par with making Desktop to continuously crash. Had you any extra packages installed which might be running as root and e.g. logging things onto Flash? No. The only log file in /var/log was fontconfig.log. There's no free space until files been both removed *and* garbage collected by JFFS2. Some N770 users have also encountered the problem where the device enters reboot loop because the garbage collection on the device bootup triggers the device HW watchdog. I do not remember this reboot taking longer than usual. If you encounter this again, I would recommend backing up any important information before reboot if you can, just in case. (besides reporting it here...) Yep, that's what I did. A bit of a shame that tar in the 770 does not support pathnames longer than 100 characters. But those few files that could not be tar-ed up in my ~ were unimportant. Marius Gedminas -- As easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] gcc compiler suite, linker, and make for ARM on ITOS2006
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:40:20AM +0100, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: But I must say that the first thing that prevent to use the device to do programm is the lack of a good editor adatpted to it. The Note application is unusable to do code and editor in xterm are very annoying because there heavly use CTRL ou ESC that are not easly to do on the device. The new maemo-hackers xterm has ctrl in a sidebar. And ESC is the hardware button just under the d-pad. vim works exceptionally well on the 770 with the virtual keyboard, especially with some mappings. Here's my .vimrc: http://pastey.net/5444 I'm not sure if there is a vim .deb with support for mouse_xterm, syntax highlighting and other features already. Maddler was building one when we talked about it on IRC last night. For the moment I use a self-compiled vim extracted in my home directory: http://mg.pov.lt/vim7-for-mistral.tar.gz Marius Gedminas -- Is it not true that nobody finds it impossible to believe that a double negative isn't bad grammatical form? -- Mike on alt.pizza.delivery.drivers signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] New Image?
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 04:31:11PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote: I saw the flash intro for the new N800. Pretty cool! Is it possible to install that OS on the N770? I liked the Media Player and the Flash player No. There will be an unofficial port of the OS2007 patform to the 770, but the updated apps (Opera, Flash player, etc.) will not be available. Is there a new version for the N770? I am running version 2.2006.39-14. That's the newest version of OS2006.2 right now. Marius Gedminas -- For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Python installation failure on N800
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 01:34:44PM -0500, Robson, Alan wrote: I take your point, I went back to blue pill mode after I'd played with it a while, it's good to know that one can switch back and forth between the modes. The reason I purchased the device was so that I could play with things like this, it's not such a closed box as, say, a Treo. These red-pill-like features are exactly what I was looking for. And if it gets me into trouble from time to time then I will just have to re-flash. The same could be said for installing the xterm or python. Absolutely. But it's a bit like using sudo every time you need to do something dangerous versus always logging in as root. Marius Gedminas -- A secret: don't tell DARPA I'm not building the sun destroying weapon they think I am. -- Michael Salib, the author of Starkiller signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] A scary story with a happy ending
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:47:51PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: Yesterday I installed a couple of games into my 770. And one of the games didn't fit--I've filled up the partition. Scary things started You said it was the package Bomberman. Did the game install right with enough memory left (after you rebooted)? I didn't try installing it again -- I was busy with other things for quite some time ;) Can you *please* upload it into the Maemo Extras repository? Hunting down the .deb file manually, downloading it, then hunting for it again on the file system to install it is tedious. And it can make the difference between someone installing the game or not installing it. http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ExtrasRepository Cheers, Marius Gedminas -- Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. -- Frank Zappa signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] A scary story with a happy ending
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:17:55AM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:47:51PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: Yesterday I installed a couple of games into my 770. And one of the games didn't fit--I've filled up the partition. Scary things started You said it was the package Bomberman. Did the game install right with enough memory left (after you rebooted)? I didn't try installing it again -- I was busy with other things for quite some time ;) I installed bomberman 0.99 now. It works. During installation it asks me to choose a menu location, and offers Extras by default. It would be better to offer Games by default -- and I've seen games that do that. It would be best to not distract the user with silly questions and always add the menu item in the Games menu. Marius Gedminas -- If you want to trick a pointy-haired boss into letting you write software in Lisp, you could try telling him it's XML. -- http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Pengupop
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 05:05:14PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A release of Pengupop is available on garage.maemo.org. Pengupop is a funny Puzzle Bobble game. Frozen bubble! It is possible to play alone or online with an opponent. With a username/password (available by registering on junaplay.org), the score is saved on server. It is possible to replay the parties on junaplay site. I have just ported to 770 with a launcher to enter username/password. All seems to work well. Yes. The start up takes a long time. For a second I was worried. The 770's CPU is barely strong enough. Sometimes the game lags. The controls are not very good. It is easy to press the select key and shoot the bubble by accident. It is also very very hard to press an arrow key just once; it starts autorepeating too soon. (This is a problem with many applications; I wish there was a way to use 'xset r rate' on the 770). Pengupop installed the menu item into Extras rather than Games. And it is not available from the Extras repository. Marius Gedminas -- If it ain't broke, don't fix it. - Bert Lantz signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: (Fwd) Re: [maemo-users] A scary story with a happy ending
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:59:36AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During installation it asks me to choose a menu location, and offers Extras by default. It would be better to offer Games by default -- Hm... I installed it also today ;-) and I remember it asks for Games. Two possible reasons: Maybe it is because I use 2006-39-14 and you not (just guessing) or I also use this version. application installer remembers the place where a package was installed before. Don't know... Could be. I installed a game, chose games, installed another game, noticed that it offers games, thought hmm, nice, but it'd be even nicer if it didn't bother me with silly questions, then reflashed and the installer offered the default choice -- extras -- for bomberman. and I've seen games that do that. It would be best to not distract the user with silly questions and always add the menu item in the Games menu. Anyone from nokia/maemo team who knows the answer? Time to RTFM? http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_making_an_application_package.html#utilities - maemo-select-menu-location app.desktop [default-folder] ... The default-folder parameter is optional, and when given determines the default folder of the menu entry. If you omit it, the menu entry will appear in Extras. So, it *is* possible. Marius Gedminas -- I saw `cout' being shifted Hello world times to the left and stopped right there!! -- Steve Gonedes signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: brightness Re: [maemo-users] Re: Storage/Sleep Issues..
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 12:38:18PM +, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 13:08 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: I meant way to get discharge current from battery circuit to know what is actual consumption of the device and how big is the influence of various parts. This is easy to get on laptops and it was possible on iPAQ but is currently kept very close to Nokia's chest. I think you won't see this information made available anytime soon for a very good reason: there is a significant risk that somebody uses this knowledge to write malicious software that literally blows the device by doing nasty thinigs with the battery and Nokia would be liable if it was releasing such information. This is also behind the clause about reverse engineering. Why is this not a problem for laptop manufacturers? One has to prove that we made it hard for him to get such information, so that we are not liable when he blows hiimself up with a modified 770/n800. Marius Gedminas -- Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Premium eBooks?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:07:52AM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: Clearly I've touched a nerve here - I hate DRM as well guys... I just want to be able to use my Tablet to read more than web, email and RSS. Classic public domain works of literature and the Hacker Crackdown are not doing it for me. http://webscription.net sells non-DRMed books in free formats. There's also Baen Free Library where you can get free non-DRMed books (many of those are first books in a series, so if you get hooked up, you'll buy the rest). When you buy DRM, you get what you deserve. Marius Gedminas -- Stupidity management for the superuser is a user space issue in Unix systems. -- Alan Cox signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: application catalog reviews
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 08:10:41PM -0500, Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 1/27/07, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil MacLeod wrote: Isn't this already catered for by Single Click Install? Yes, *IF* you are running the 2007 software - in other words, if you are running a N800. If you are running a N770 you cannot use single click. What I am suggesting would work for OS2006. Well, from what I understand, single-click install has been enabled on 770s for a few firmware versions now. Just nobody has been using it. I have: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash.html Useful way to add a bunch of repositories and install a bunch of applications. Works in OS2006.2, I don't know about 2006.1. I wonder if single-click install can be used to add a repository without specifying any packge to install. I also wonder if I can add more than one repository from a single .install file. Some applications depend on packages found in other repositories. Marius Gedminas -- MCSE == Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. To me my 770 replaces a laptop, a car radio, portable mp3 player, and a library. Sometimes also a map. Most useful apps: 1. FBReader 2. Audio Player 3. osso-xterm + ssh 4. Opera 5. Password Safe 6. Notes 7. Maemo Mapper What I miss the most is a useful contacts app. Marius Gedminas -- Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:36:35PM +0100, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: dito missing a remote desktop client to manage windows based server There was an rdesktop port for OS2005. If the sources were not lost, I think it wouldn't be too hard to port it to newer OSes. A somewhat harder job would be to make the virtual keyboard work, and maybe add a toolbar like VNC Viewer has. Marius Gedminas -- MCSE == Marginal Computer Software Enthusiast signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: RE: editor
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:08:05PM +, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: Well, even the author of vi admits that most of the weird stuff is in vi because terminals back in the day were just too darn broken (losing/repeating characters, 10bps slow, ...) ;-) Which, incidentally, is very handy when you have a laggy slow ssh connection. Marius Gedminas -- But perhaps ISO's central secretariat follows just the common industry practice pioneered by Microsoft: We will get it right in the third release. -- Markus Kuhn on ISO 10646 PDF CD-ROM edition signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800 as e-book reader
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 07:32:53PM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: I've now installed Evince on my N800 and it rocks! I'd love to see a few prefs for background color especially (which can make long texts much easier on the eyes) but overall, it's amazingly good and quick at presenting PDF. I've just downloaded the Art of War from ManyBooks.net and it's well formatted and easy to read. How's the memory usage? That was the biggest flaw with Evince on the 770: after looking at three/four pages it would run out of memory. Marius Gedminas -- Be cheerful. Strive to be happy Oh, and we just set fire to your desktop. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:16:24PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: I am interested in using a Gennum 5500 nxzen bluetooth headset with the N800 and a VOIP client. Does anyone here have any info (e.g. perhaps a compatibility list from Nokia itself) that indicates what headsets have been confirmed to work with the N800? None at all yet. But I expect this will change in the future. People are working on Bluetooth headset support for the Nokia tablets. Marius Gedminas -- 2B OR NOT 2B == FF signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:58:14PM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: what's most interesting is that the N800 connects with a headset and recognizes that it can do audio... No apps seem to recognize it's there though beyond the control panel. Yes. The part that is not implemented yet is the actual streaming of audio data between the N800 and the headset. Marius Gedminas -- It's not illegal to disagree with my opinions (*). [...] (*) Although it obviously _should_ be. Mwhaahahahahaaa... You unbelievers will all be shot when the revolution comes! -- Linus Torvalds signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N770/N800 Equivalent to Soti Pocket Controller Professional
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:25:31PM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: How's this ... second time it installed. Here's the error log from the first round. osso-application-installer 4.42, UI version 2 /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb' /usr/bin/dpkg --install '/var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb' Selecting previously deselected package x11vnc. (Reading database ... 19670 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking x11vnc (from .../var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb) ... dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) Huh. dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing /var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb (--install): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/man/man1/x11vnc.1.gz') That looks like either a broken .deb (interrupted download?) or no space left on device (although I would expect it to say so more explicitly). Errors were encountered while processing: /var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb /usr/bin/dpkg --purge `/usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/var/tmp/x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb' Package` dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove x11vnc which isn't installed. Marius Gedminas -- Despite all appearances, your boss is a thinking, feeling, human being. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:50:04PM -0500, Jeff G wrote: I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover. What you did is not stupid, but it is a common mistake: sudo apt-get upgrade that tried to upgrade an important system package (maemo-launcher). Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get upgrade hildon-libs0 ... Preparing to replace maemo-launcher 0.17-1.1 (using .../maemo-launcher_0.17-1.1sdk1_armel.deb) ... Stopping Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher. There is a process called the lifeguard. When a critical system process dies, it reboots the device. Apt-get upgrade stopped maemo-launcher, and shortly after that, the lifeguard rebooted the device. Unpacking replacement maemo-launcher ... Preparing to replace maemo-recorder 0.0.18 (using .../maemo-recorder_0.0.19_armel.deb) ... Unpacking replacement maemo-recorder ... - Now, it keeps rebooting about one 30 seconds after the last reboot Unfortunately, your new maemo-launcher is not yet fully configured and cannot start, so the device cannot boot, and restarts. There are two ways to fix this situation: 1. Reflash the OS, restore data from backups, reinstall applications (and take care not to upgrade maemo-launcher again). 2. Enable RD mode and disable lifeguard reset (with the flasher app), boot, ssh into it and finish the interrupted upgrade. Disable RD mode and see if it works. If it doesn't, use alternative 1. In my humble opinion, maemo-launcher's preinst/postinst scripts should never stop it. That's what, for example, gdm scripts do on desktop Linux systems: if they find a running X server, the scripts do not restart gdm. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- if (DefRel.empty() == false) -- apt-pkg/policy.cc (apt 0.5.23) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:02:43PM +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Ted Zlatanov wrote: scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next page, UNLESS I hold the button down, which is why I don't use the D pad for scrolling. It's just too hard to go to the next page, which is a very common operation. In that case check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ScrollInOperaWithThumb Fixing ~/.opera/input.ini is one of first things I do after installing each new firmware. I wonder who actualy wants the 'go to next link' feature. With current rich webpages with complex formatting and tons of links it does not make much sense to me. Why or when should I care about next link on some page? I find it useful sometimes on my 770. I tend to be lazy about pulling the stylus out, and my fingers are too thick to hit on the links correctly. What is annoying is that links that open in new windows (which is by itself already annoying) trigger twice if I open them with the D-pad center key. To clarify: a tap on such a link consistenly gives me one new window, while the Enter key, no matter how short the press, always gives me two new windows. I should go to the bugzilla and file a bug. And also check if the bug is still present on the N800. Marius Gedminas -- Unix is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus. -- Peter H. Coffin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Crashes
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:03:44PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: A lot of the differences in how the OS's react to a hard shutdown center around how they view/use a file. Windows always writes back any file it opens. Even if it opens it only to read. That does not sound right. Do you have a link? Linux on the other hand writes back a file only if it changes and permissions allow writes. There are also atime updates which do write the inodes when you open files for reading. Not all filesystems store access times. I don't know whether jffs2 does, and my guess would be it doesn't. This helps prevent a lot of file corruption and fragmentation IMHO. (Yes I know this is an overly simplified explanation but I don't want to either bore or exceed my own ignorance *grin*) Marius Gedminas -- As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. -- Weisert signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Dropbear-client broken?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 09:06:35PM +0100, Magnus Larsson wrote: I have just set up ssh on my N770, using dropbear. However, in the list of installed applications the dropbear-client is marked as broken. This seem not to affect ssh-server though, as there is no problems accessing the N770 from my laptop. FWIW OpenSSH works fine on the 770 (both client and server). In the terminal, I get the following: /home/user # dpkg -l | grep dropbear rF dropbear-client 0.48.1-1mh4 lightweight SSH2 client ii dropbear-server 0.48.1-1mh4 lightweight SSH2 server and: /home/user # apt-get install dropbear-client Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done dropbear-client is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found Setting up dropbear-client (0.48.1-1mh4) ... [: ==: unknown operand Bug in dropbear's postinst script. Find the line that uses == inside [ ] and replace it with =. You can do that in /var/lib/dpkg/info/dropbear-client.postinst, I think, but it would be better to fix the package itself. dpkg: error processing dropbear-client (--configure): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) Whoa, Segmentation fault? Where did that one come from? Errors were encountered while processing: dropbear-client E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Marius Gedminas -- The BeOS takes the best features from the major operating systems. It's got the power and flexibility of Unix, the interface and ease of use of the MacOS, and Minesweeper from Windows. -- Tyler Riti signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Load a browser
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 12:04:00AM +, Carlos GP wrote: I'm trying to load a browser into maemo emulator (in xephyr) but: - I can't find neither the source nor the binaries Opera is closed-source. It is not available for the emulator. insert standard rant here Marius Gedminas -- Anybody who doesn't cut his speed at the sight of a police car is probably parked. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia 770 will not power on after standby
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 01:23:38PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:35:50PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: I don't have any answers but I just yesterday I reported to this list a similar problem on the N800 requiring removal/re installation of the battery to unbrick the device. I read those posts and the behavior was definitely similar, but I thought that p[erhaps my problem was a bit more passive. Inother words, I did nothing other than place the cover on the device. Also, mine is a 770. I forgot to mention that it is the second to latest OS flash. I cannot remember the exact numbers. There were three versions of OS2006. So you have OS2006.2. I hope something can be done about this, because the batttery trick is a relatively savvy maneuver. Most people I know would not be able to do this. If it were their iPod, for example, they would call it broken and take it to the Apple store. This behavior is one of the things that go through my mind, and a warning I give when I show off my 770 and recommending it to friends. My 770 spontaneously reboots every now and then, but never turns itself off. (I habitually charge it every night. Well, used to, before I got a N800). My mother sometimes has problems turning on her 770. I hold the power button for a few seconds, release it, and it boots fine. There appears to be a trick to it: if you hold the power button too short, it won't come up; if you hold it too long, it won't power on either. Sometimes it seemed that I had to plug in a charger to get it to see the power button presses, and I usually attributed that to an empty battery. My N800 appears to be very stable. It rebooted once (lifeguard reset due to crashed dsp_dld). Interesting: /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets claims I had three reboots (due to dsp_dld, maemo_af_desktop and dnsmasq). I never noticed the other two. Marius Gedminas -- Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia 770 will not power on after standby
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 06:51:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:49:15AM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: My mother sometimes has problems turning on her 770. I hold the power button for a few seconds, release it, and it boots fine. There appears to be a trick to it: if you hold the power button too short, it won't come up; if you hold it too long, it won't power on either. Sometimes it seemed that I had to plug in a charger to get it to see the power button presses, and I usually attributed that to an empty battery. I will try this. When it happens, I have tried various times: short and long, but I will try just right next time :) Scientific experiments show that I was talking nonsense about holding the power button too long. My 770 boots up fine even if I don't release the power button. I remember some occasions when I held the power button, the screen blinked up with the Nokia logo, and then turned to black again. No idea why that happened. Low battery? There are times when the device works fine, but this happens with relatie frequency if I am not careful. Not a problem when I am near a power source, but a problem if I am travelling. Marius Gedminas -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Help with thttpd
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 03:23:30AM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: Hi, folks. I need some help with thttpd. I've installed and run it to get easy access to my 770 via a Web browser. The problem I've got is that every time I get an Internet connection (via wifi or phone) my IP address changes. So that I've prepared a very simple web page at a fixed URL. In that page I've uploaded a simple index.html with my new IP, and it redirects the reader to my 770 web server. The problem is that I must update that index.html every time I connect my 770 in order to have a correct IP address. Is there any way to automate the process via a script? Could anybody help me with the script? Is there a simpler way to achieve what I need? Dynamic DNS is the solution. There are many zero-cost providers, e.g. http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/. You would need a small program on your 770 to update the dyndns IP every time you connect. Debian had a bunch of these packaged, it shouldn't be too difficult to port one. Marius Gedminas -- Anyone can do any amount of work provided it isn't the work he is supposed to be doing at the moment. -- Robert Benchley signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Problem with SSH
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 09:17:09AM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: Hi, folks. I'm having a problem with SSH server. (Not really) But when I try the reverse, that is I type from my Linux PC: ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED], connection with the 770 server is ok. But then I type for example 'oggplay' and oggplay window is displayed on the 770 server, not on the Linux PC client. That's because the .profile in the 770 overrides $DISPLAY, and also because the 770 does not have xauth, which is needed for the ssh server to set up X forwarding. Try porting and installing xauth on the 770, and then setting DISPLAY=localhost:10 after logging in and before running oggplay. Please tell us if this works. Marius Gedminas -- Linux. Where do you want to go tomorrow? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Help with thttpd
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:49:23AM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: Thank you very much, Kon. That's been so kind of you :) It's simply great. I'm testing it and works perfect. I'm going to write a fine config file for inadyn and configure it to run at startup. You don't want to run it at startup. You want to run it when an internet connection appears. You can do that by adding scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ If the package is any good, it will already have those scripts. 2007/2/19, konfoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I compiled a pretty good dnydns client. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35420 Is it available from downloads.maemo.org? Marius Gedminas -- If it wasn't for C, we'd be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
