Maemo Community Council Elections - provisional results
Hi all, The Maemo Community Council elections closed last night, and the results are in! Congratulations to the incoming council members, who are: Andrea Grandi (andy80), Tim Samoff (timsamoff), Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), Kathy Smith (revdkathy), and Attila Csipa (achipa). I'd like to thank all of the candidates who presented themselves for election. Detailed results are available at http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=10 and you can check your vote and see all of the ballots at http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=10 Regards, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-announce mailing list maemo-annou...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-announce ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: more tmp memory
Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:37 -0300, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail wrote: But I ran out of /tmp file. I have already asked this question, and I think here, but I cannot find the answer. It was just remounting it umount /tmp mount /tmp parameter amount of megabytes So where is your question? You trimmed it out. f(t) wrote: Any one? Cheers, Dave. -- Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Setting UP USB Networking page needs to be updated
Hi all, This bug: Bug #3131: Setting UP USB Networking page needs to be updated has been in Bugzilla now for 2.5 years. It looks like a bug that anyone (or group of people) could fix - and in fact, a number of edits have been made to the page in question in the past 2 years. There was a comment a year and a half ago https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3131#c8 from Jarmo Tikka, pointing out the latest up to date information, even. The problem I have is that I never use USB networking, so I don't know if the wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking is correct complete at this stage. Is there anyone here, on this list, who can run through the page and do one of the following, please? (a) add a comment on the bug linked above outlining the issues with the page (b) Update the wiki page with correct information (c) reply here with any issues/errors you had while following the page And allow me to finally close this bug, please? I almost closed it a year ago, because once the USB networking page was in the wiki, there didn't seem any point in pointing people at anything else, but Jarmo's comment made me think that maybe we were missing important information. Anyone have a few minutes to help out, please? Thanks! Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Please help: Setting UP USB Networking page needs to be updated
Hi all, This bug: Bug #3131: Setting UP USB Networking page needs to be updated has been in Bugzilla now for 2.5 years. It looks like a bug that anyone (or group of people) could fix - and in fact, a number of edits have been made to the page in question in the past 2 years. There was a comment a year and a half ago https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3131#c8 from Jarmo Tikka, pointing out the latest up to date information, even. The problem I have is that I never use USB networking, so I don't know if the wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking is correct complete at this stage. Is there anyone here, on this list, who can run through the page and do one of the following, please? (a) add a comment on the bug linked above outlining the issues with the page (b) Update the wiki page with correct information (c) reply here with any issues/errors you had while following the page And allow me to finally close this bug, please? I almost closed it a year ago, because once the USB networking page was in the wiki, there didn't seem any point in pointing people at anything else, but Jarmo's comment made me think that maybe we were missing important information. Anyone have a few minutes to help out, please? Thanks! Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Displaying the content of a N810 tablet with a video projector
Hi Didier, COURTAUD Didier wrote: I would want to display the content of my N810 tablet through a video projector. I have succeeded to connect to the video projector via USB but the tablet does not show anything ! How can I order it to send its display to the videoprojector ? Do I need to install another X server thant Xomap ? I know we had a set-up to do this at the Maemo Summit in 2008. Eric Warnke might be able to help you with some pointers if he's still about? I was sure I had see a HOWTO about doing this in the wiki, but it appears not. Can someone help document this here, please, so that we can get it documented in the wiki too? Thanks! Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: executing compiled programs outside /usr/bin (Go language on maemo N900?)
Hi, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail Can I avoid this? Is there any configurations? MyDocs on N900 is a FAT32 partition and does not support proper linux permissions (so your chmod +x is not having effect). If you move your workspace directory to /home/user/Workspace instead of /home/user/MyDocs/Workspace, then it should hopefully work. It's also mounted noexec. Anywhere outside $HOME/MyDocs should work, doesn't have to be Workspaces. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Not Enough Space in Application Install Memory
Hi Khalid, khalid khan wrote: My N900 phone memory: 15.42 GB available Memory for installable applications is 240.9 MB available Even though I am just installing a simple app for eg. Shopper which is only 125 kB i get this message Pop Up: Not enough space in application install memory Uninstall some applications to free enough space for this installation I had this when updating the OS the last time. I disabled extras-testing and extras-devel, and the upgrade app install went through fine. Like you, I had lots of space on root - I think there is something wrong with the space requirements calculation since PR1. I believe that there is a maemo bug open about this issue - IIRC I added a comment after having the issue. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: .bashrc not executed
Hi, Jérôme Bove wrote: I'd like to edit my .bashrc file. So i edit it (vi /home/user/.bashrc) and save. When I open X-Terminal or connect via ssh to user (not root), the bashrc is not executed. If I do su user, then bashrc is executed. I installed bash and edit my /etc/passwd file for user to use bash. What should I do for bashrc to be executed ? To develop on what Alejandro said, when bash starts, it reads the following, in this order: (some approximate definitions: a login shell is when you start bash from a login prompt, an interactive shell is when you're able to run commands interactively, as opposed to starting bash for a shell script) If bash is started as an interactive login shell: * Read and execute /etc/profile (if the file exists) * Search for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/.profile in that order and read and execute the first one it finds When a login shell exits: * Read and execute ~/.bash_logout, if it exists. If started as an interactive, non-login shell (eg. run directly as /bin/bash): * Read and execute /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if they exist. If started non-interactively in a shell script: * Expand BASH_ENV environment variable, and read and execute the file in it, if it exists According to the Bash manpage, if started from a network log-in: * Read and execute /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if they exist. I just tested, for an SSH-launched shell, only .bash_profile got run for me, not .bashrc Here on my laptop, the default .bash_profile contains if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi which basically says that .bashrc will get executed for every login shell, as well as non-login shells. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth PAN on N900
Hi Andre, For me, the best Bluetooth PAN page is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN If http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#PAN contains some more up-to-date information, it should be integrated into the Bluetooth PAN page. And if Maemo PC Connectivity provides an easier/better way to do it, then it also should be documented in Bluetooth PAN. Looking at the pages, Bluetooth PAN says at the top that it's specifically for using the device as a PAN client to use another device's network connection, which the Unsupported bluetooth profiles page mentions bluetoothd, which is the server-side of the equation. So if you want to connect your N900 to another device to get on the internet, then follow Bluetoth PAN, and if you want to allow other devices to share your N900's network connection, enable bluetoothd and add network to main.conf (I think). Cheers, Dave. André Hänsel wrote: Hi list, what is the current way to enable Bluetooth PAN networking on the N900? Removing network from main.conf? (http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#PAN) Or installing maemo-pan? (Where is it?) (http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN) Using DUN instead? (I didn't try, don't know how to set up connection) (http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_DUN) Installing maemo-pc-connectivity? (http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=94 - Comment 6) A combination? Something completely different? Regards, André ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: AW: Bluetooth PAN on N900
Hi, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 16:06 +0200 schrieb André Hänsel: Dave Neary schrieb: For me, the best Bluetooth PAN page is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN You mean, that is the place where the correct information should be? Certainly, I agree, but that doesn't help me setting up Bluetooth PAN. ;) There it says, one must install the maemo-pan package, but there is no maemo-pan package, neither in the preinstalled catalogs nor in the three extra repositories. I think maemo-pan is in the Maemo4 (diablo) repository. I don't recommend using that repository on Maemo5 (fremantle) though if you don't exactly know what you are doing. OK then - what is PAN? How can I share a network connection from my cellular device (N900 or other) with other devices over Bluetooth from Maemo 4 and Maemo 5 devices? Let's make the page better, if it has incorrect information on it. I'm no bluetooth expert, but I know how to click an Edit page link. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to free up space in rootfs
Dave Neary wrote: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Oops! Itchy trigger finger. Sorry for the duplicate! Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [OT] Worry about Bada?
Hi, Ville M. Vainio wrote: Has anyone been able to positively confirm whether it's based on Linux or not? If it is, Samsung certainly isn't keeping much noise about it... If it is Linux, MeeGo can probably expect a phone call from Samsung soon enough ;-). http://www.bada.com/a-glimpse-at-samsung-bada/ They say the platform can be Linux or RTOS based. No news on the UI, but it looks like gtk+/Clutter. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
Hi, Jake Wasdin wrote: Why the interest from Intel if the Internet Tablets run TI processors? The hardware is the least important part of the software platform ;) moblin Maemo share the kernel, libc, X and many freedesktop.org components. It makes sense to maintain one mobile base OS, on which each builds custom UIs. This is what they've been doing for years - previously on GNOME Mobile, and now it's the same thing, with some components swapped around, called a different name. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Hi, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: IMO developer could was his/hers hands just by adding disclaimer to licence conditions. Something like make sure recording calls is legal before using this software. You mean like every image viewer has a warning that viewing some images might be illegal in some places? Or like every text editor has a warning that you should make sure that what you write is legal where you are? Be careful, in some countries it might be illegal to say things like that... Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC (or any other of Nokia Encoder better sutied for voice quality audio, such as G.729 or AMR-NB). Combine that with gst-python and we should have something up and running in a few hours :-) (pt... it's a wiki. Don't tell anyone) Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 without a SIM card
Hi, Alejandro López wrote: I'm considering buying one, but I'm not interested in using it as a phone, so I plan to put no SIM card. Some time ago I read on this same list that the N900 had some problems when no SIM card was inserted but I can't find that mail. Is this problem still true? Is there a fix planned? What exactly is not working? This is how I use it, most of the time. It's a great media player, and a nice wifi-enabled device for browsing, email and chat. I have no major problems to report. I can also report that battery time seems to be longer than generally reported - I tend to get a bit more than 2 days worth of light use before needing to recharge, and a full day of fairly heavy use. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 without a SIM card
Hi, Alejandro López wrote: Aren't you facing the problem mentioned by Marijn? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699 Perhaps, but I never noticed. Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 without a SIM card
Alejandro López wrote: Aren't you facing the problem mentioned by Marijn? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699 Funny though that GeoIP isn't used to set the location if I have wifi but no GPS. Why deprive yourself of a geolocalisation source? Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool documentation updated
Hi, Kahlil Johnson wrote: I try doing that but unfortunately didn't work for me it seems that when the N900 is on flashing mode the udev on my Linux box doesnt detectec it as a USB mass storage, and dont detect it at all. So the flasher timeout without locating the correct usb address. Using Mandriva 2010 on an Acer Laptop 32bits Have you tried without setting it into flasher mode? Does it detect it as a mass storage device then? In flasher mode, I don't know what happens under the hood, but it might be normal not to have the filesystem enabled for mounting, if it's going to be over-written by an image write ;) Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Umlauts on English Keyboard
Hi, Isn't this related to what Alberto did to remap the arrow keys? A similar hack would work for the umlaut, wouldn't it? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2009-December/014913.html Cheers, Dave. Rainer Dorsch wrote: Hello, I am wondinging if anybody know if I can get Umlauts on an English Keyboard, i.e. replace some of the blue symbols by umlauts and move the blue symbols to the onscreen-keyboard for symbols. Many thanks, Rainer ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 calendar widget
Hi Tony, Tony Green wrote: Is there anywhere that documents what events appear on the calendar widget? My assumption was that it would show the next few calendar events, but mine is showing apparently random events - one this month, one in March, two in August then one next December. But there are lots of events in-between. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but it's not obvious enough for me... You mean the calendar on your N900 or the maemo.org community calendar? You're right, the calendar on the tablet should be showing the upcoming events you've added to the agenda. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Contact imports
Hi, l...@soeiro.com.br wrote: Another question: what kind of issues do you expect when mass exporting /importing contacts? Lost things? Duplicates? I had issues with detecting eliminating duplicates. I had more issues with performance when I had over 3000 email contacts imported. Performance on the phone, which filters on contacts with phone numbers, is better - I only have about a thousand of them. Cheerts, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 Users
Hi, sean wrote: So those of you that have one, what do you think of it? It is always nice to hear from actual users. I like it. It's not my main phone yet, though. Working on it... I use it as a portable media player web browser. Is the software on it complete, or is it crippled like previous systems? I love the a priori here - this question reminds me of that question do you still beat your wife? in that there's no right answer. My answer: I have never beaten my wife. I am curious as to such things as the address book, calendar, to-do list, even the native email client. I've never used the tablets for email, the address book and calendar are great. Any other interesting finds with the N900? Avoid Transmission, it will not just use lots of power (which you get warned about), it will make the table completely unresponsive while you are downloading digital copies of the films that you already have on DVD. Avoid Ovi Maps. It doesn't feel like a Fremantle application - I would really love to see a port of Maemo Mapper to Fremantle (I hear that the app is in need of a maintainer these days). Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 Users
Hi, Xavier Bestel wrote: Maybe it has a tendency to lock-up a bit quickly (or it's just me) ? The time-out is configurable. I like 30s myself, but if you want a longer one, you can set it up. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 battery duration
Hi, Andrea Grandi wrote: At least for me, battery doesn't last so much... for example one day I charged it at 10:30 and it lasted only until 18:30 without using GPS, fotocamera, wifi, bluetooth, ecc just 20 minutes connected in UMTS/HSDPA and the rest of the time keeping it in my pocket. My experience is that it lasts fine from plugging out the charger until I get home in the evening around 20h or 21h. If I don't plug it in, I tend to be out of battery around midday the following day. That said, there have been days when it hasn't lasted a day, especially with wifi on a lot, and when I've made several phone calls. I had a problem with syncing my contact list (which I'll be reporting as soon as I get time) which caused me issues during the week, so for the time being I've moved back to my old phone for cellphone calls, but I move to the N900 as often as I can in the office. I installed quite a few apps from extras and etras-testing, but nothing which is on all the time, except sync for exchange - and to reduce battery usage there I've reduced sync frequency to once every 4 hours there. Web browsing seems to be the major issue, especially on JS or Flash heavy sites. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Transfering contacts to N900
Hi Keywan, Did you try to export as a CSV and Import from file on your N900? I have a related question, I can't figure out how to get the phone to sync contacts from a SyncML service. Anyone know what I need to do? Cheers, Dave. Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni wrote: Hi, I just try to transfer my contacts from a SonyEricsson W810i to the N900, The direct import via Bluetooth doesn't work. I have all the contacts saved on my PC via Wammu. Is there any way to communicate from a Linux PC with the N900, so I have all my contacts there? I tried multisync0.90 as well. On the N900 a dialog for pairing appeared, but multisync didn't show me the PIN code, so I wasn't able to finish pairing. Thanks, Keywan -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Transfering contacts to N900
Hi, Dave Neary wrote: I have a related question, I can't figure out how to get the phone to sync contacts from a SyncML service. Anyone know what I need to do? Answering my own question, I found this page on Google: http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/topic.py?topic=14298 The S60 instructions appear to be compatible with my Nokia N900, which doesn't appear to have a SyncML option that I can find, but unfortunately, the process doesn't conclude successfully. In the Mail for Exchange set-up wizard, I set the following values: Email address: m...@gmail.com User name: m...@gmail.com Password: MyGr8P4sswd (Oops! accidental cleartext) Domain: Blank Next I get asked to open a wlan connection, which I do, and in the next page I put in: Server: m.google.com Port: 443 Secure connection: Yes. But in this screen, when I hit next, the connection just times out, and I get an error message. Any hints tips from people for whom this works? Cheers, Dave. PS. /me sees a need for moving your old data to your new device wiki page, with different methods for different old phones desktops. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Transfering contacts to N900
Hi Andrew, Andrew Flegg wrote: The Contacts app on Maemo 5 is pretty damned good, IME. Just wondering if you found any way to filter contacts and create user-defined groups? I have rather more contacts on the phone than average, I suspect - around 3500. They're mostly email-only, so they don't show up in the phone app. Nevertheless it does slow down the contacts app make it harder for me to find That Special Someone - like favourites in Android, if you're familiar with that. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Skype or Gizmo
Hi, Gizmo is a SIP client, Skype isn't. You might want to try Twinkle which is a Free SIP client. Cheers, Dave. COURTAUD Didier wrote: Hi all I would want to configure my N810 tablet pour SIP calls. But i wonder what is the best SIP client : Skype or Gizmo ? In terms of usability, openness and ... free ? Thanks by advance for your answers DC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: FYI - Gizmo (SIP) to Skype gateway
Hi, Andrew Daviel wrote: If you didn't see this ... Now that I think about it, I believe both Gizmo and Skype applications bundled with the N810 are teasers to download the real application. I'm not sure which works better; I've not really tried either for real. Gizom has video calling, while Skype did not last I tried. While we're promoting commercial applications on the list... ;) Let me also point people to QuteCom, a QT application which is cross platform, free software, and provides IM, voice and video calls over IP. It's a standard SIP phone with support for SIP SIMPLE, upcoming support for server-side presence and contacts storage via XCAP, an (unofficial) implementation of P2P SIP, and more. A worthy free software project that is crying out for a port to Maemo, now that Qt is coming to the platform... And as a standard SIP application, you could even use it with Gizmo's SIP service, and use OpenSky through it too. Cheers, Dave. (Disclosure: I used to work on this project when it was called OpenWengo, I'm still subscribed to their devel list and follow new developments, and have a corner of my heart which still loves this app) -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: N800 not logging in on browser webpages [was: Re: N800 not logging in]
Hi, I'm just guessing - perhaps your disk is full? Or your browser cache's disk space has mysteriously become read-only? If you can't save session cookies, this might be a symptom. Cheers, Dave. Jose Vargas wrote: Andre, If you or anyone on the list knows the solution, let us know. We can't log in to any sites. Jose Vargas On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com mailto:aklap...@openismus.com wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 19.02.2009, 00:31 -0500 schrieb Jose Vargas: Another N800 user has posted the same recent issue, cannot log in to Yahoo! mail or any other online log in screen. Same here. What is going on. Works fine here running 5.2008.43-7 on N810 with yahoo.no http://yahoo.no. cannot log in is a *very* vague description. Also, mentioning the thread you refered to at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26954 can't hurt. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org http://maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jose Vargas -- Jose Vargas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: - Original message - It's not Drupal is it? I ask because I've recently deployed a Drupal instance (PHP) that's a subsite of my company's main site (J2EE) and I've seen some odd things with caching. This is off topic for this list but I'd like to discuss it off list if so... It's not Drupal, it was a Squid issue and it was solved earlier in the week. ;) ...by removing squid. Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. This is also a problem on the desktop for VoIP applications - ideally you would like to have sound profiles - alarm sounds go both to speakers and headsets, and application sounds only go to the headphones (if they're plugged in). In a typical home office, I listen to music, but if I have to plug in my headphones before answering a VoIP call, it's a pain in the rear. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Abiword
Hi, Peter Flynn wrote: What is the current status of Abiword for Diablo? Garage says it's 4-beta but doesn't provide any download links, and says there are no files associated with this project. Abiword's own site has no mention of it, and it's not in maemo.org/downloads Where should I be looking? Abiword's in a separate repository listed on Gronmayer: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=ensystem=maemo3sort=hitsshow_pck=101 http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt And it looks like it was ported to Maemo 4.x: http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/10/abiword-ready-to-maemo-4x.html Ryan Pavlik was working on it back in January, at least: http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/2008/Jan/0043.html And it seems to have been building fine in the autobuilder in July: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001210.html https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001128.html (links in those posts are no longer working though, which looks a bit suspicious) I don't know why it hasn't been submitted to maemo.org/downloads, I'm afraid. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Mark wrote: ?? How do I do that on an N800 ? Why should I have to??.. On 11/23/08, Faheem Pervez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ctrl-Shift-R Allow me to explain. maemo.org runs server-side caching software, and your browser has client-side caching. Sometimes, the server-side cache serves up an empty page (it has some problems which have not been resolved), and your browser keeps serving up that empty page client-side, because it detects that you're requesting the same resource. Ctrl-Shift-R (force reload) goes to the server rather than using the local cache. On the tablets you can do this by clearing your web cache in Tools-Clear-Cache and then reloading the page. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. PD: Sorry very much if you find this message unpolite, but I'm really fed up with this kind of situations... Apologising after being impolite doesn't make it better. Eko1 repo was shut down, due to request of maemo.org's webmaster. (https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories) Use Extras from maemo repo. maemo.org's webmaster is Niels, not Quim. If you had read that wiki page, you would see that this task is owned by Niels. This looks very much like a misunderstanding to me. Perhaps you need to activate devel-extras to get kismet? Or perhaps the repository owner misunderstood a query from Niels? Perhaps kismet is available in extras and you're doing something wrong? Or perhaps it's in the process of being included, and just hasn't cleared all the steps yet? In any case, there are any number of reasonable innocent honest explanations I would investigate before jumping to the conspiracy theory of Quim (ie Nokia) trying to shut down unwelcome applications. I don't know which one is true. Perhaps if you'd asked differently, someone would have taken pleasure in clearing it up. Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Connecting to the Internet via Bluetooth
Hi, José Luís wrote: You can try this howto http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking-dun-ppp/ Alternatively, please try (and help improve) the same article in the new wiki - the old wiki will be definitively dying this week. http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_networking Cheers, Dave. - maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which SDHC is which when using backup.
Hi Mark, list, Mark wrote: Yeah, it's not at all obvious, and in fact it's counter-intuitive: the external slot is mmc1 and the internal is mmc2. (So in your case Kingson is probably the external card and Kingston (2) is probably the internal card.) I solved the problem by changing the volume labels, but the built-in file manager doesn't have that capability. I used a USB reader and labeled my cards with my desktop machine. I labeled mine 8gbinternal and 8gbexternal and made sure I put them in the respective slots. snip This is great information - and I'm wondering what's the best way to ensure that future people with this type of question find it - is the search feature on maemo.org which includes mailing list posts (I believe) sufficient, or do you think that it would be useful to extract answers like this (and Tuuka's follow-up) into a wiki page to make the information more easily accessible? Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 : Locking the virtual keyboard
Hi Didier, I believe if you tap it twice it'll lock. You need to see ABC in the bottom right, rather than Abc or abc. Cheers, Dave. COURTAUD Didier wrote: Is there a way to lock the virtual keyboard to uppercase and numbers ? When I put it in upper case mode to type a lettre in Capital, it falls back immediatly to lower case and it is very difficult to enter a text entirely in upper case ! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Provisional results of the Maemo Community Council elections
Hi all, Voting has closed in the inaugural Maemo Community Council elections. Here are the reliminary results. Unless there are any protests lodged and upheld in the next 5 days (Monday 15th), these results will be official. 936 members voted for this election. The repartition of the votes is: Eduardo Lima (etrunko) (200 votes) Andrew Flegg (Jaffa) (195 votes) Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles) (163 votes) Simon Pickering (lardman) (120 votes) Tim Samoff (timsamoff) (101 votes) Jamie Bennett (baloo) (67 votes) Ryan Pavlik (megabyte405) (59 votes) The inaugural Maemo Community Council will therefore be: Eduardo Lima (etrunko) Andrew Flegg (Jaffa) Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles) Simon Pickering (lardman) Tim Samoff (timsamoff) Good luck to them all, and I'm looking forward to meeting them next week at the Maemo Summit. On behalf of the Maemo community, Dave Neary. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo's Modest/Email
Hi, Mark wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's something you want that isn't yet implemented in open source, either implement it yourself, or gently request that someone who can implement do so --- or perhaps you can hire them or otherwise give them some kind of incentive to implement the feature for you. Open source developers do *not* owe anything to their user base; they implement feature requests out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they need the feature as well. In other words, f*** off! This is exactly the attitude that will always keep open source from gaining significant market share. Only the projects that actually listen to such concerns ever make any real impact (Mozilla, anyone?). What is absolutely true of all software, is that if you want a feature which is not in the software you want to use, your options are to persuade the maintainers to add it, or switch to other software which already has the feature. Free software gives you two additional possibilities: do it yourself, or pay someone else to do it for you. With commercial software the I'm paying money for this software argument carries some (but not much, in my experience) weight with the maintainers, which it obviously doesn't with Free Software. I'm paying your wages is also a strong argument. If, as you say, this is really basic functionality, required or desired by a substantial portion of the user base, then you shouldn't have any trouble convincing the maintainers. If, on the other hand, it's a marginal feature that few people use, you might have a harder time. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo's Modest/Email
Hi, Tim Ashman wrote: Ok, so I've upgraded to diablo over the weekend and for the most part it is great. However I can't stand modest, it just doesn't work in a way that works for me and it appears to have bugs that the older email didn't. If you don't like Modest, you might want to try Claws, I've heard good things about it: http://www.claws-mail.org/ http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Hi, Ryan Abel wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The spam problem can be solved using a captcha. Well, here we are almost over a month and a half later still with no real solution and still with just a few people fighting the spam. I'll admit I haven't been looking at the ChangeLog daily for spam... is there a lot of it coming in? So, my proposal is to permanently apply the ban on 127.0.0.1, thus banning anonymous edits over http. Done. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem on gsinal
Hi Zhengzhe, Zhenghe Zhang wrote: As the codes show below, I add a button to my dialog, and write a callback function response of clicking button. When I run my application, I find my applications do this: 1. call the callback function, 2. after step 1, execute the default handler of signal Yes, gsignals chain up, so you can attach many callbacks to one button. Usually this does no harm. Digging in the documentation at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/gobject-Signals.html, I found this: g_signal_override_class_closure () voidg_signal_chain_from_overridden (const GValue *instance_and_params, GValue *return_value); Calls the original class closure of a signal. This function should only be called from an overridden class closure; see g_signal_override_class_closure(). instance_and_params : the argument list of the signal emission. The first element in the array is a GValue for the instance the signal is being emitted on. The rest are any arguments to be passed to the signal. return_value : Location for the return value. I don't know if that's what you're looking for, honestly I don't see what the problem is with the default handler being called. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem on gsinal
Hi, Zhenghe Zhang wrote: I am sorry to obtrude you, but i have been graveled for long time, can you give me some advises. Text Box: button = gtk_dialog_add_button(GTK_DIALOG(dialog), More, GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT); g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(button), clicked,G_CALLBACK(callback_file_more_button),button); I thought a little more, here's my suggestion. const gint RESPONSE_MORE = 1; button = gtk_dialog_add_button(GTK_DIALOG(dialog), More, RESPONSE_MORE); g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(button), clicked, G_CALLBACK(callback_file_more_button), button); Or... g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(button), response, G_CALLBACK(callback_file_more_button), button); and in callback_file_more_button, check that response_id is 1. That way, your callback *is* the default handler. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Announcing the wiki page a day
Hi Hendrik, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried several times to install scratchbox and other soeftware for maemo development on my Debian system, and have not succeeded. There seem to be instructions and relevant repositories secreted in carious places on the web. However, when following perfectly reasonable-looking instructions, I keep finding that they don't work as described -- usually because the relevant repositories have desappeared. Have you followed this page? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt It is the canonical reference for installing Scratchbox for maemo 4.0 Chapter 3 of the Maemo Diablo (v4.1) reference contains detailed instructions for installing Scratchbox getting started. I'd like to request an up-to-date page on installing the development environment in a way that's compatible with responsible system administration on Debian. Even the Nokia's script that says it uses the Debian packaging system and claims to write only to a specific (new) top-level file system does, in fact, write elsewhere. I'm not sure what you mean by this - what is the Nokia package doing wrong? Where is it writing? Finally, debian lenny now has a package called scratchbox2. The instructions I've seen all use variations on scratchbox 1.*. Is that a sign the instructions are obsolete? Or is scratchbox2 really a very different thing? I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that. The Scratchbox website suggests it's simply an evolution of Scratchbox 1. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 Now Resets Very Frequently
Hi Kalle, Kalle Valo wrote: ext Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When one has a problem with a device it is helpful to find out if others are having the same problem, and may have already solved it. snip So basically you want others do all the work for you? It doesn't work that way. Try to show that you have tried to do something to solve the problem, for example by writing as much as info as possible. That way people might be a bit more motivated to answer. Are you sure you haven't misinterpreted Mark here? It seems to me like the original question was Is this happening to anyone else? which is a reasonable question to ask on a users list. Asking him to search Bugzilla and/or read a FAQ for Diablo might have been good answers, as would be First I've heard of it - looks like you'll have to dig deeper, which is probably what I'd've said. RTFM is *never* an acceptable response. That's the best way to learn and educate yourself, and in the end you get better results. But if you insist doing everything your way, don't be surprised if people are not willing to help you. I remember many years ago explaining that how you say RTFM is what's important. There are a myriad of ways to do so. 1. RTFM Variants: link to a page explaining how to RTFM, or a page on asking smart questions, with no context 2. RTFM. Here's a link to the manual/docs/HOWTO/FAQ: http://... 3. This looks like a problem someone reported a while back... have you searched the archives of the mailing list and checked the FAQ? It seems similar to http://link.to.the.faq/q2-1.html That is: there's a difference between being nice and not nice, or welcoming and unwelcoming. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Wiki page of the Day: Video encoding
Hi all, This is the last time I'll be cross-posting WPotD announcements - from now on I'll use the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for WPotD updates, and I invite any of you interested in community processes, the wiki or the development of the website to join that list. Thank you very much for the help on USB networking - it's now been cleaned up put to bed, as has booting from a flash card and partitioning a flash card (thanks in large part to General Antilles's monster contribution). A special thank you also to the anonymous contributor who updated playing ogg files and allowed me to remove the in progress tags this morning. The wiki is coming along nicely! The WPotD for today is Video encoding http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding - an article which, it seems to me, is in dire need of reduction. From my own experience, the page should be an instruction manual on installing tablet-encode and its dependencies, and that's it. Thank you again (and especially General Antilles, the tireless warrior) for your help, and let's keep the momentum through this week. If you only have 5 minutes to contribute, then picking one paragraph, and tidying up the text or deleting it (if needed) is a great contribution. Re-reading other people's edits to spot corrections is also a great help. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wiki page of the Day: Video encoding
Hi, Chris Lord wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 12:05 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: The WPotD for today is Video encoding http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding - an article which, it seems to me, is in dire need of reduction. From my own experience, the page should be an instruction manual on installing tablet-encode and its dependencies, and that's it. Have to vehemently disagree with this, I've referred to this page for the manual conversion instructions plenty of times, as it tells me how to use tools that I already have on my system and are useful for non-tablet cases too... I'm not opposed to keeping advanced useful information around. In this case, though, it's not educational data. It's a set of magic incantations for mencoder. I'd much prefer to be able to refer someone to usable, well written mencoder documentation, or explain what the various arguments mean and what they're for. I'd prefer even more for mencoder to take the path of tablet-encode and provide a set of intelligent presets so that I don't even have to learn. Maybe it should be split into simple/advanced sections perhaps, but a lot of that information is useful. OK for a split. Care to help streamline things, and label the behind the scenes stuff as advanced/extra material? Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
NEW! Wiki Page of the Day: Booting from MMC card
Hi all, I cleaned up the USB networking page pretty well, I think (feedback appreciated: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking), and we now have an ALL NEW Wiki Page of the Day for the weekend (or for a couple of hours, if someone cleans it up quickly): Booting from MMC card http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_MMC_card I encourage you all to go and read this page. It looks to me like it's choc-a-bloc of outdated information which has been superceded by something easier, but I really don't know. If that page doesn't tickle your fancy, don't forget that we have a full category of pages in need of deep cleaning at https://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki - feel free to pick one that *does* tickle your fancy. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wiki page of the day: USB networking and USB networking with Debian
Hi Ian, They may look good, but they need some cleaning up, and IMHO should be merged, and the inconsistencies such as the one you mention should be removed. In fact, it doesn't matter whether you use .14 and .15 or .1 and .2 (or .3 or .4 or...). Cheers, Dave. Ian Key wrote: Hi, These pages look good, just a quick query about them. The USB with Debian uses IP address 192.168.2.1 and 2, but the USB networking page talks about 192.168.2.14 and 15. Should these use the same IP addresses? Ian - Original Message From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Maemo Users maemo-users@maemo.org Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 8:16:23 AM Subject: Wiki page of the day: USB networking and USB networking with Debian Morning all, I obviously underestimated the insatiable desire of the maemo.org community! Root access is done dusted, in no time at all. Many thanks to all those who contributed their time to improve the article. So today, we have a twofer - two articles which should in all likelihood be merged, and which have the potential to be very useful: * USB networking: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking * USB networking with Debian: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_Networking_with_Debian Thanks again for your help! Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wiki page of the day: USB networking and USB networking with Debian
Hi Ian Key wrote: Thanks for the reply Dave. I was pointing out the inconsistencies in the web pages - I do know a bit about USB networking, use it every day for testing. In actual fact, you can use any legitimate private network class addresses. It just seems that 192.168.2.1 / 2 and 192.168.2.14 / 15 are the most commonly documented pairs used for USB networking. I agree, they should be merged, makes it less confusing to the less experienced. Have at them! That's what revision control a wiki is for ;) Thanks for your help! Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: maemo on GTK FB
Hi Matt, Matt Emson wrote: Sandeep, my understanding is that Maemo sits on top of a framework called Hildon that is based on GTK+, but not necessarily the same thing entirely. Others will be more precise, but YMMV greatly as to how easily it is to implement. Hildon sits on top of GTK+, and uses/augments it. I suppose it's possible that Hildon contains some X11 specific code (I really have no idea), but if it uses only GTK+ and glib calls, then it should work on that whatever the back-end is. In GTK+, there are a few different elements - the widgets themselves don't have any X11 drawing code, and draw using GDK, the GTK Drawing Kit (actually GIMP Drawing Kit historically) - GDK is where different back-end code gets added, such as gdk-x11, gdk-win32, gdk-directfb and gdk-quartz. My understanding is that GTKFB is just GTK+ using the directfb back-end of GDK - but I don't actually know of anyone using it in a device at this time. Best advice is try it see. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Announcing the wiki page a day
Hi all, I recently migrated a bunch of content from the old maemo wiki to the new wiki, but apart from some minor clean-ups, I didn't revisit the content at all. We now need to clean up that content, bring it up to date, and imporve the general standards. That means: * If there are 3 ways to do something, document the simplest and drop the other 2 * Change the docs from 1st person to 3rd person, and remove opinion-type statements. That doesn't mean that pages need to lose their sense of humour, but let's avoid having I replaced cover_switch with cover_svitch in the pages * Correcting the content, if it's old or inappropriate I will be putting one page per day under the microscope over the next few weeks which will get special attention for the day. The page for the 1st of July is Root access http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access This page mentions a couple of methods which are well outdated, and it's directly related to a recent thread on the list, so it seems like a good candidate. I'll be nominating one page a day from the Midgard wiki category: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki and at the end of the day, will declare the page stable. Given that it's holiday time, I may miss a day or two, and if you want to rebel against my evil plot and work on some other page in the category, please feel free. Thanks for your help! Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Hi, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Yes. I understand the arguments - creating an account is a barrier to entry, and we might dissuade newcomers from doing minor edits. Yes, exactly, so I guess you don't respectfully disagree with that after all. Indeed, I do disagree with your conclusion that this does harm. I imagine you'd say the same about creating bug reports in bugzilla? Exactly. Some bugs don't get reported because of that. Some people who would join the bug hunt will never join (and such people would definitely register later themselves when reporting 2nd or third bug but this will not happen). A bug report (especially the first or second one) typically requires some additional information from the reporter. If the reporter has not given us a way to get in contact, then the bug report is all too often useless. I'd prefer to have useful bug reports which the reporter can then see addressed, rather than useless reports which we have no option but to ignore. That's misunderstanding. I'm not advocating anyone's rights. This is about more closed community which will be poorer because of that. It hurts the community more than it hurts those people. This is the bit I disagree with :) Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Hi, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Frantisek Dufka wrote: I do see harm http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11259#11259 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11260#11260 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11264#11264 I respectfully disagree. BTW, did you read all three links/opinions? Yes. I understand the arguments - creating an account is a barrier to entry, and we might dissuade newcomers from doing minor edits. The argument of Jonathan that since the wiki is versioon controlled, and thus rolling back spam does not cost much, is flawed, because in the case of anonymous spam, the spamming is automated, the roll-backs are manual, and there are a lot of them to do. I agree that having a challenge-response for anonymous user edits will reduce the spam, but it doesn't address the second reason I don't like anonymous edits - which is knowing who wrote what. We ask that people subscribe to a mailing list before mailing to it, Yes, that's major pain too :-) Same principle applies, if they don't want my contribution, why bother? I don't have time to subscribe to 101 mailing lists just to post once or twice there. I imagine you'd say the same about creating bug reports in bugzilla? Users can login if they want. Captcha would remind them that they are not logged-in and same page could provide login box too. Forcing random contributors to register is not very nice goal IMO. I don't think that being able to do anonymous edits is a right - in fact, I feel that having people identify themselves is normal, and a minimum expectation. BTW, feel free to CC the list back if you wish Oops - I hadn't noticed that the list wasn't CCed. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Ryan Abel wrote: On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: I suspect the right place for this is maemo2midgard-discuss, but until that becomes maemo-community, here'll do: can we turn off anonymous editing of the wiki - or at least anonymous editing over HTTP. I've reverted the fourth or fifth spamming of Talk:Task:Community_Council and it's getting annoying. I don't see *any* harm in requiring an account to edit this wiki, the aims are much more focused than Wikipedia, and people should be getting karma anyway. Done, but it's only a 24 hour block. Will have to be discussed further. I strongly support disabling anonymous edits. It's a minor inconvenience for the good guys, and since we don't use Wikipedia's authentication system, it *should* lock out the spammers. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Hi, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: I don't see *any* harm in requiring an account to edit this wiki, the aims are much more focused than Wikipedia, and people should be getting karma anyway. I do see harm http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11259#11259 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11260#11260 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/11264#11264 I respectfully disagree. We ask that people subscribe to a mailing list before mailing to it, usually, and in this case, the amount of work which needs doing to keep automated spam at bay in the wiki is big. Captchas would alleviate the problem, but would not accomplish the second part of my goal - knowing who wrote what in the wiki in the history. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business
Hi, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: What you say is absolutely right. But it seem that Nokia is actually the number one on this planet regarding the mobile phone market, so there are probably not talking about small quantity... In spite of a large amount of resources, a huge area available, and a large population, the US imports stuff. In spite of having tens of thousands of employees who use paper, IBM has not yet set up any paper mills. In a more macroscopic view, I can't understand why Nokia buy a software company like Trolltech to get a technology and still rely on externals chip manufacturers for there very really central technology of almost all there business. Because Nokia is a handset design software company, not a hardware company. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business
Hi, tanguyr wrote: source: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jun2008/gb20080612_288518.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_global+business the killer quote: Jaaksi admitted that concepts like these [DRM, intellectual property rights, SIM locks and subsidised business models]go against the open-source philosophy, but said they were necessary components of the current mobile industry. Why do we need closed vehicles? We do, he said. Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things stand]. These are touchy, emotional issues but this dialogue is very much needed. As an industry, *we plan to use open-source technologies but we are not yet ready to play by the rules; but this needs to work the other way round too*. I see no problem with this position. Linux doesn't need Nokia, Nokia doesn't need Linux. If Nokia uses Linux it'll be because it suits their needs and satisfies their constraints, or because they believe it can do so in the near future with their help. When I am using my cellphone, I'm mostly unaware of the OS. Every Linux phone out there has a bunch of closed components, including, usually, the GUI. Through maemo and GNOME Mobile, I'm happy to try and understand the needs of mobile device makers and contribute to making a software stack that suits those needs, without compromising my standards on freedom. But I'm not going to insist that someone use software which doesn't cover their constraints. Currently, free software does not meet all needs. In the mobile industry, if you're a handset manufacturer, a big part of your constraints is here's the hardware we're putting in the phone. Here are the regulatory constraints we have. Here are the conditions under which I can have this hardware on this date at this price. And a completely free software solution does not meet those constraints. I'm happy to see companies like Nokia invest in RD to create a free software stack that moves closer to fitting their needs. It's a lot better than companies like Motorola, shipping a Linux kernel with an in-house stack on top, or even Android, the we swear, it'll be free soon javaish-based proprietary stack. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia and LiMo
Hi, Chris Vail wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but since Nokia is acquiring TrollTech, and TrollTech is a member of LiMo, does that mean Nokia will become a member of LiMo? If so, does that affect Maemo? I didn't see if this got an answer before, and I'm not well placed to answer the question of whether Nokia will join LiMo (I doubt it very much, personally), but I did want to point out that while Trolltech is a member of LiMo, the LiMo platform includes GTK+ and much of the GNOME Mobile platform libraries in its architecture. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Minutes of maemo web monthly meeting, 13/5/2008
Hi all, Here are the minutes of the maemo web team meeting which we held yesterday morning - I'm sending it outside maemo2midgard-discussion (where it's been posted already) to give you all an idea of what we're working on, and to give people a chance to give us feedback. ## Present: * Quim Gil - Nokia * Marcell Lengyel - Nokia * Eero af Heurlin - Nemein * Emilia Hjelm - Nemein * Janne Antola - Nemein * Andre Klapper - Openismus * Karsten Bräckelmann - Openismus * Niels Breet * Dave Neary ## Agenda: * Introductions * Review of status of April sprint actions * Review of proposals for May sprint * Review of high and medium priority bugs against website product ## Introductions New arrivals Andre, Karsten, Emilia, Janne and Dave introduced themselves. ## Review of status of April sprint actions Conserved for posterity in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?April2008Sprintid=106type=g The following tasks were completed: * Full news content - Henri - **done** * maemo extras + extras-devel: a beta published. - Niels **done** * Agree ServerInfraPlan with ISP. Eero **done** * MediaWiki: fresh install + maemo logo + PAM login - Ferenc **done** ** There is a shiny new Mediawiki install which will be available soon at https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php The following tasks are ongoing: * Clean old documentation bugs - Jarmo - Handled by Dave, some **done**, others move to May * Implement GForgeUpgradePlan - Ferenc started, but will be done in May Sprint Of 35 High priority bugs which were open at the start of the month, there are now 23. The following tasks are carried forward to May: * API dowloads to be fixed - Henri/Niels ** Niels volunteered to help get this fixed * Google Search fix - Marcell ** Marcel has contacted Ixonos about this, there is some problem but no resolution yet * The following items depend on the new infrastructure being available ** Fix cache issues - Eero - waiting for new infrastructure ** Plan for login issues - Eero - waiting for new infrastructure ## Review of proposed May sprint items https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?May2008Sprintid=106type=g There were a lot of new proposals. They were split into 2 categories: to do in May, and Backlog. Backlog items are low priority items which might (a) take a long time, and (b) be very difficult. ### New items * Implement ServerInfraPlan - Marcell ** Cache issues and login issues depend on this * Documenting in maemo.org the web development process. Dave ** Dave will be asking people lots of questions about this * improve extras assistant/promotion interface -Niels * bugzilla authentication using garage accounts -Ferenc * triaging/syncing bugs that have been duplicated to garage tracker (currently underway) - Andre/Karsten * Document how to deal with internal nokia bug tracker (pending) Andre/Karsten * Wiki reorg: ** Start content migration to MediaWiki. - Dave ** Complete incomplete sections of https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ - Dave ** Scrub outdated/irrelevant pages - Dave ** Fix bug #1587 - Dave * jobs section for maemo.org -Niels * Proposal agreed on better extras categories - Niels * automatic updating of maemo.org/downloads on upload to extras. -Niels * Start collecting product specific standard need more info questions to improve the feedback quality of the reports (before developers take a look) - Andre/Karsten * come up with a plan to create aliases as default assignees for components. get rid of [EMAIL PROTECTED] default assignee. urge developers to add themselves to the watchlist for products they are/feel responsible for. - Andre/Karsten * assign all open bugs to correct default assignees. there's a total of 1227 open bugs, 831 of them assigned to [EMAIL PROTECTED] many reporters have the impression that nobody cares at all about their reports. -Andre/Karsten * Brainstorm site: Investigate how we could do this, find out what software Ubuntu are using. Make proposal on brainstorming site before end of May - Dave * Publish a Who's who in maemo, including Nokia engineers working with the community, contractors and volunteers. Encourage people to update their information to keep the document up to date - Dave ** Documenting companies involved in maemo development. * Start the What's happening Nokia? page that people have been talking about in this thread: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/017624.html and try to come up with a sane way to keep it up to date and get answers to the questions people are asking from the definitive source - Dave * Start publishing weekly reports about bugs.maemo.org activity, format to be improved. Andre/Karsten ### Backlog * start nagging developers on urgent issues (depends on the yet to create Who's who list). -Andre/Karsten * Define maemo.org policies for things like editbugs, getting @maemo.org email addresses, and if it doesn't exist, getting svn access - Dave * Proposal for http://maemo.org/community/ * Documenting better
