Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Someone install version 1.0 from release. So far, so good, but he hear that 1.1 is out, and he install it from backport ( after requesting ). He is satisfied, then the developers of our voip software decide to create a version 2.0, with a completely new interface but the ui is yet unfinished and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
A short reality check from userside: If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1 and foo-1.1 is released upstream - foo-1.1 will likely be integrated in Cauldron very soon after - users will request to have foo-1.1 in Mageia 1 - if Mageia will not provide it then there will soon be local repositories where

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 26 juni 2011 00:16:59 schreef Michael Scherer: [...] we always say that backports should mainly be cherry picked, but not enabled all the time... so how does installing a new version of e.g. wine break the user's system when he can easily back out that rpm? I a not sure that

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread atilla ontas
2011/6/26 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: A short reality check from userside: If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1 and foo-1.1 is released upstream  - foo-1.1 will likely be integrated in Cauldron very soon after  - users will request to have foo-1.1 in Mageia 1  - if Mageia will not provide

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
I a not sure that most people realize they can revert. Maybe a easier interface to do that could be offered ( along maybe with a tool that send feedback on why it did downgrade it ? ). that's not a bad idea, what is the best way to revert? is that with --old- package ? Maybe I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:49 +0300, Sander Lepik a écrit : 24.06.2011 03:15, Michael Scherer kirjutas: Hi, [ ... ] Last solution, declare that cherry picking is not supported, or that people are on their own, and explain the reason. However, people have been asking this, and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Daniel Kreuter
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I'm following this threat from the very beginning. While reading, i feel i'm reading a Mandriva Cooker mailing list posts. As a community distro, why Mageia developers still think like a Mandriva employee? Why

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Sander Lepik
26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's nothing too hard. -- Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 26 juni 2011 12:10:14 schreef Sander Lepik: 26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's nothing too

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:58 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : 2011/6/26 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: A short reality check from userside: If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1 and foo-1.1 is released upstream - foo-1.1 will likely be integrated in Cauldron very soon after - users

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release scourge-data-0.21.1-2.mga2

2011-06-26 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:24, Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote: Name        : scourge-data                 Relocations: (not relocatable) Version     : 0.21.1                            Vendor: Mageia.Org

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:43 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I'm following this threat from the very beginning. While reading, i feel i'm reading a Mandriva Cooker mailing list posts. As a community distro,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 13:10 +0300, Sander Lepik a écrit : 26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/26 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:58 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : 2011/6/26 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: A short reality check from userside: If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1 and foo-1.1 is released upstream  - foo-1.1 will likely be integrated

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 14:49 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2011/6/26 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:58 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : 2011/6/26 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com: A short reality check from userside: If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/26 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Can people please stop saying that users are living in the real world, as this logically imply that others ( ie, us, for whatever that mean ) are not ? LOL! I did not expect that you take the single word over the expression. When I set you, me,

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release scourge-data-0.21.1-2.mga2

2011-06-26 Thread José Jorge
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 13:17:27, Dexter Morgan a écrit : This package requires scourge, which is not in the repository yes but it doesn't buidld see : http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/201106252

Re: [Mageia-dev] Backports policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Anssi Hannula
On 26.06.2011 01:34, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 17:33 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : On 24.06.2011 03:10, Michael Scherer wrote: Another rule that we could add is that cauldron should always be newer than backports, in order to ensure upgradability. The same goes for n-2

Re: [Mageia-dev] Backports policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data domenica 26 giugno 2011 00:43:22, Michael Scherer ha scritto: Le samedi 25 juin 2011 à 15:05 +0200, Angelo Naselli a écrit : In data venerdì 24 giugno 2011 02:10:14, Michael Scherer ha scritto: - cannot be backported if the package was just created and is thus basically untested

Re: [Mageia-dev] Backports policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 18:00 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : On 26.06.2011 01:34, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 17:33 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : On 24.06.2011 03:10, Michael Scherer wrote: Another rule that we could add is that cauldron should always be newer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal

2011-06-26 Thread Angelo Naselli
Well, in principle this is correct, not in this case as I have explained as a very common example. You can decide whatever you want, if a user wants a certain package and his friend will pack it for him and puts it up on a server, publishing the existence - then you will see what happens. You

Re: [Mageia-dev] autologin + consolekit

2011-06-26 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/06/11 09:07 did gyre and gimble: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 12/06/11 23:45 did gyre and gimble: Hi, The autologin package is broken due to the fact that it doesn't connect to consolekit and thus the user who is automatically logged in doesn't

Re: [Mageia-dev] [114150] downgrade to Version: 1

2011-06-26 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:15 PM, r...@mageia.org wrote: Revision 114150 Author spuhler Date 2011-06-26 21:14:59 +0200 (Sun, 26 Jun 2011) Log Message downgrade to Version: 1 add subrel 1 for mga 1 updates why do you add subrel in cauldron ?

Re: [Mageia-dev] [114173] added define subrel 1 to submit to Mageia1 updates

2011-06-26 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, r...@mageia.org wrote: Revision 114173 Author spuhler Date 2011-06-26 21:34:20 +0200 (Sun, 26 Jun 2011) Log Message added define subrel 1 to submit to Mageia1 updates Please modify in the update/1 tree for updates not in the cauldron one

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available

2011-06-26 Thread Thomas Spuhler
On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 09:57:22 am Damien Lallement wrote: Hello all, security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to provide updates as soon as possible. All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a scrip to move updates from testing to updates). This script will be uses

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available

2011-06-26 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 09:57:22 am Damien Lallement wrote: Hello all, security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to provide updates as soon as possible. All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a

Re: [Mageia-dev] [114173] added define subrel 1 to submit to Mageia1 updates

2011-06-26 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: On Sunday, June 26, 2011 12:37:29 pm Dexter Morgan wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM,  r...@mageia.org wrote: Revision 114173 Author spuhler Date 2011-06-26 21:34:20 +0200 (Sun, 26 Jun 2011) Log Message

Re: [Mageia-dev] [114173] added define subrel 1 to submit to Mageia1 updates

2011-06-26 Thread Thomas Spuhler
On Sunday, June 26, 2011 04:24:26 pm Dexter Morgan wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com wrote: On Sunday, June 26, 2011 12:37:29 pm Dexter Morgan wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, r...@mageia.org wrote: Revision 114173 Author spuhler Date

Re: [Mageia-dev] Updates going to Release?

2011-06-26 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 27 June 2011 03:11, David W. Hodgins davidwhodg...@gmail.com wrote: On my Mageia 1 install ... urpmi --auto-select --resume --noclean To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:   Package                        Version      Release       Arch (medium Core