Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release basesystem-1-4.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Sander Lepik
13.09.2011 23:39, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas: On 13 September 2011 17:45, Guillaume Rousseguillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: - require systemd-sysvinit instead of sysvinit in order to got more testing IMHO this should have been announced/warned on the ml before forcing the change on everyone. I

Re: [Mageia-dev] [WARNING] libpng-1.5.4 landing soon

2011-09-14 Thread José Jorge
Le samedi 10 septembre 2011 10:44:23, Funda Wang a écrit : Maintainers: If some packages cannot be built against libpng 1.5 even with patches (upstream should be notified), you should adjust the BuildRequires into pkgconfig(libpng12), and only rely on pkgconfig or libpng12-config to find libs

Re: [Mageia-dev] [WARNING] libpng-1.5.4 landing soon

2011-09-14 Thread Funda Wang
2011/9/14 José Jorge jjo...@free.fr: Le samedi 10 septembre 2011 10:44:23, Funda Wang a écrit : Maintainers: If some packages cannot be built against libpng 1.5 even with patches (upstream should be notified), you should adjust the BuildRequires into pkgconfig(libpng12), and only rely on

[Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Hello list. Our current default apache module configuration files all starts with: IfDefine HAVE_FOOBAR loadModule FooBar /IfDefine This allow to be smart, and eventually run apache without installed modules, which seems a cool idea. However, it also requires to explicitely launch apache with

Re: [Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Sander Lepik
14.09.2011 11:06, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas: - keep current behaviour, by removing conditionals in configuration file. This means no additional configuration needed, but also than installing implies usage. I prefer this option. If you install some module you probably want to use it. And if you

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release pixman-0.23.4-2.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Guillaume Rousse
fwangfwang 0.23.4-2.mga2: + Revision: 143394 - drop .la files Well, if there is a consensus about removing them, a submission filter would be a good idea. -- BOFH excuse #367: Webmasters kidnapped by evil cult.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release pixman-0.23.4-2.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 10:39, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: fwangfwang  0.23.4-2.mga2: + Revision: 143394 - drop .la files Well, if there is a consensus about removing them, There is. See monthes ago archives. And BTW thanks to Funda for doing that job! a submission filter

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release pixman-0.23.4-2.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 14/09/11 09:48 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 10:39, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: fwangfwang 0.23.4-2.mga2: + Revision: 143394 - drop .la files Well, if there is a consensus about removing them, There is. See monthes

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release pixman-0.23.4-2.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 10:58, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: fwangfwang  0.23.4-2.mga2: + Revision: 143394 - drop .la files Well, if there is a consensus about removing them, There is. See monthes ago archives. And BTW thanks to Funda for doing that job! a submission filter

Re: [Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 14/09/11 09:06 did gyre and gimble: - keep current behaviour, by removing conditionals in configuration file. This means no additional configuration needed, but also than installing implies usage. I much prefer this. e.g. the file

Re: [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla probs

2011-09-14 Thread andre999
Dick Gevers a écrit : On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:56:07 +0200, Remco Rijnders wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] Bugzilla probs: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 05:32:58PM +, Dick wrote in 201109131733.p8dhx1fx057...@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl: Lately, with every bug that I post in Mageia's Bugzilla I get an

[Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Robert Fox
After recent Cauldon update which included systemd - I have now lost sound. After going back to sysvinit - sound is back. [rfox@minifox ~]$ lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO snd_hda_intel : nVidia Corporation|High Definition Audio Controller (vendor:10de device:0be4 subv:174b subd:2150) (rev: a1)

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 14/09/11 11:19 did gyre and gimble: After recent Cauldon update which included systemd - I have now lost sound. After going back to sysvinit - sound is back. [rfox@minifox ~]$ lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO snd_hda_intel : nVidia Corporation|High

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Balcaen John
Le Mercredi 14 Septembre 2011 12:19:38 Robert Fox a écrit : After recent Cauldon update which included systemd - I have now lost sound. After going back to sysvinit - sound is back. [rfox@minifox ~]$ lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO snd_hda_intel : nVidia Corporation|High Definition Audio

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 14/09/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble: Le Mercredi 14 Septembre 2011 12:19:38 Robert Fox a écrit : After recent Cauldon update which included systemd - I have now lost sound. After going back to sysvinit - sound is back. [rfox@minifox ~]$ lspcidrake -v | fgrep

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Robert Fox
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 11:50 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 14/09/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble: Le Mercredi 14 Septembre 2011 12:19:38 Robert Fox a écrit : After recent Cauldon update which included systemd - I have now lost sound. After going back to

[Mageia-dev] calling mentors + apprentices

2011-09-14 Thread andre999
Hi everyone. Last week we found a mentor for dotmil (Josh King) We still need to find a mentor for barjac (Barry Jackson), who has informally been getting his mentoring on the mailing lists. We have a new apprentice in waiting : solbu (Johnny Solbu) He is coming to Mageia as a long-time

[Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Hi Currently our minimal system is pretty bloated (unless one install really minimal system without suggested packages). For example, installing udev will bring in many GNOME packages. See https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1750 and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609 See the

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 13:08, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: I've just fixed that, but it would be nice if: - more people try to minimize minimal system - packagers watch what they're doing - some people watch minimal system size (maybe some bot should do that?). Eg, if

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Donald Stewart
On 14 September 2011 12:00, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 11:50 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 14/09/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble: Le Mercredi 14 Septembre 2011 12:19:38 Robert Fox a écrit : After recent Cauldon update which

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 14/09/2011 13:40, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : Likewise due to widespread suggests among perl modules, we bring quite a lot of perl modules: urpmi - perl-Hal-Cdroms - Net-DBus - XML-Twig - XML-Parser - LWP - perl-libwww-perl - HTTP::Negotiate - HTTP::Negotiate - HTTP::Message Automatic

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 14:04, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Le 14/09/2011 13:40, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : Likewise due to widespread suggests among perl modules, we bring quite a lot of perl modules: urpmi -  perl-Hal-Cdroms -  Net-DBus -  XML-Twig -  XML-Parser -  LWP -  

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 14:23, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: Automatic dependencies computing result... The algorithm used here can't figure if a module used anywhere in the source is always used, or only in specific occasion. I see two potential links that could get turned in

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thomas Backlund
Thierry Vignaud skrev 14.9.2011 14:40: does util-linux needs diffutils? Yep. it needs /usr/bin/cmp -- Thomas

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 14:23:11, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 14 September 2011 14:04, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Le 14/09/2011 13:40, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : Likewise due to widespread suggests among perl modules, we bring quite a lot of perl modules: urpmi

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Thomas Backlund
Samuel Verschelde skrev 14.9.2011 15:48: I don't know about this one specifically, but couldn't there be 'no-suggests' option (named for example install only strong dependencies) in the installer, under the form where you select the kind of packages you want ? IIRC there is already that

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] debloating minimal system

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 14/09/11 13:29 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 14:23, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: Automatic dependencies computing result... The algorithm used here can't figure if a module used anywhere in the source is always used, or only

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 14/09/11 12:57 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 12:00, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 11:50 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 14/09/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble: Le Mercredi 14 Septembre

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Donald Stewart
On 14 September 2011 14:29, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 14/09/11 12:57 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 12:00, Robert Fox l...@foxconsult.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 11:50 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 14/09/11 14:34 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 14:29, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: There is a bug in module-init-tools right now that prevents the snd-usb-audio module being loaded. For clarity the bug itself is in sound-scripts, but

Re: [Mageia-dev] lost sound after systemd update

2011-09-14 Thread Donald Stewart
On 14 September 2011 14:38, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 14/09/11 14:34 did gyre and gimble: On 14 September 2011 14:29, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: There is a bug in module-init-tools right now that prevents the snd-usb-audio

Re: [Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.9.1

2011-09-14 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 22:33, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Le 13/09/2011 23:11, D.Morgan a écrit : On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com  wrote: Hi rpm-4.9.1 has

Re: [Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.9.1

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 15:59, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: rpm-4.9.1 has been pushed into core/updates_testing You're welcome to test it. I've tested with success: - live upgrade - a special build of drakx-installer  (the installer available on mirrors still uses older rpm-4.8.1).

[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight

2011-09-14 Thread Michael scherer
Hi, so tonight, meeting time ( packager, bug triager, QA, and all are invited, and there will be free food in the fridge ( not mine, but yours, of course )). Planning : - security updates ( ennael || misc ) - maintainers assignation ( misc ) - apprentice ( andre ) And that would be IMHO enough

Re: [Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.9.1

2011-09-14 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 15:09, Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 September 2011 15:59, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: rpm-4.9.1 has been pushed into core/updates_testing You're welcome to test it. I've tested with success: - live upgrade - a special build of

Re: [Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.9.1

2011-09-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 September 2011 17:11, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: Uploads to updates_testing fail because urpmi fails when restarting with new rpm: error: dbiOpen: dbapi 1 not available it looks like in some case, priority upgrade fail to update perl-URPM along rpm though it did worked

Re: [Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight

2011-09-14 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Wednesday 14 September 2011 16:46, Michael scherer wrote: there will be free food in the fridge Ahh. thank you. I especially loved the eggs and coffee. -- Johnny A. Solbu PGP key ID: 0xFA687324 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight

2011-09-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 16:46:19, Michael scherer a écrit : Hi, so tonight, meeting time ( packager, bug triager, QA, and all are invited, and there will be free food in the fridge ( not mine, but yours, of course )). Planning : - security updates ( ennael || misc ) - maintainers

Re: [Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 17:50 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 16:46:19, Michael scherer a écrit : Hi, so tonight, meeting time ( packager, bug triager, QA, and all are invited, and there will be free food in the fridge ( not mine, but yours, of

Re: [Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Guillaume Rousse a écrit : Hello list. Our current default apache module configuration files all starts with: IfDefine HAVE_FOOBAR loadModule FooBar /IfDefine This allow to be smart, and eventually run apache without installed modules, which

Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release basesystem-1-4.mga2

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 10:17 +0300, Sander Lepik a écrit : 13.09.2011 23:39, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas: On 13 September 2011 17:45, Guillaume Rousseguillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: - require systemd-sysvinit instead of sysvinit in order to got more testing IMHO this should have

Re: [Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight

2011-09-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 20:45:03, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 à 17:50 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mercredi 14 septembre 2011 16:46:19, Michael scherer a écrit : Hi, so tonight, meeting time ( packager, bug triager, QA, and all are

[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !

2011-09-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. This is due to the fact that we had no maintainer database when we boostrapped the distribution. Excluding perl packages (a lot of packages, all maintained by jq), we have : 1118 packages with a maintainer 4931 without a maintainer !

Re: [Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Hello On mercredi 14 septembre 2011 at 10:06, Guillaume Rousse wrote : So, we have the following choice: - change current behaviour, by keeping conditionals in configuration file. To use php, you have to install mod_php, and add -DHAVE_PHP5 in /etc/sysconfig/httpd. This means additional

Re: [Mageia-dev] changing apache configuration handling

2011-09-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op donderdag 15 september 2011 00:34:39 schreef Renaud MICHEL: Hello On mercredi 14 septembre 2011 at 10:06, Guillaume Rousse wrote : So, we have the following choice: - change current behaviour, by keeping conditionals in configuration file. To use php, you have to install mod_php, and