Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-20 Thread Remco Rijnders
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:33:44PM +0200, lebarhon wrote: Le 19/06/2011 10:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Nobody said anything against your efforts although I don't see any reason there (and I haven't seen any discussion in the webteam where it was decided to do so), Who the hell are you to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-19 Thread lebarhon
Le 18/06/2011 13:19, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml ( which I didn't ask, I am smart enough to read forum by myself,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-19 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/19 lebarhon lebar...@free.fr: Le 18/06/2011 13:19, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml ( which I didn't ask, I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-19 Thread lebarhon
Le 19/06/2011 10:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Nobody said anything against your efforts although I don't see any reason there (and I haven't seen any discussion in the webteam where it was decided to do so), Who the hell are you to dare say I am a liar !

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread lebarhon
by *isadora https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=90* » Jun 17th, '11, 20:04 Must admit magnus is right about the difference between technical and regular-users. Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my test-Mageia. The first bunch

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread lebarhon
by magnus Jun 17th, '11, 20:55 isadora wrote:Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my test-Mageia. Today I have done the same job. about 20 minutes - good internet connection

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread lebarhon
by wobo Jun 18th, '11, 00:54 magnus wrote:(In the past ELP had a song "Lucky man") Most people forget that Lucky Man became worm fodder at the end of the song. But you can always enter the Zeppelin and take the Stairway

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread lebarhon
by *keksbaecker https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=698* » Jun 18th, '11, 11:07 I am also just a simple end user and for me it is more important to have a stable and running System than having the the latest Desktop Environment installed. Personally I think a new

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml ( which I didn't ask, I am smart enough to read

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 13:42 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-18 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 15:59:33 schreef Michael Scherer: Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 13:42 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-17 Thread lebarhon
by *Trio3b https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=395* » Jun 17th, '11, 17:55 Must preface this reply by saying I am not a coder, developer, packager. Just an end user. Long time MDV user (ver. 10.0). I have tried almost every distro out there for fun but on my main

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-17 Thread lebarhon
by magnus Jun 17th, '11, 19:26 I think the whole discussion is dominated by "technical" users. I, as a simple user, need a stable, secure system where I can use my applications. Gnome 2, 3, 4 ??? KDE 4.6, 4. 7, 5.0 ??? What does it matter. At the office a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-16 Thread lebarhon
by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-16 Thread lebarhon
by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-16 Thread lebarhon
Le 16/06/2011 19:57, lebarhon a écrit : by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-16 Thread magnus
2011/6/16 lebarhon lebar...@free.fr It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary users know a newer version is available and a simple click to upgrade it. Look to Mageia App DB (in testing) There is growing a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-15 Thread lebarhon
by dave Jun 14th, '11, 22:32 One release every year with the related updated (don't wait one year for have ad updated software) is better. The best could be an half-rolling like chakra but this option isn't in the proposals

[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
Hello, I will forward in this thread the messages coming from the forum. They aren't my opinion. Lebarhon.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
by *corbintech https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=646* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:12 I quit the ML because I was not doing it right (never used a list like that before). So if I may, I will post here what somebody responded to me and write my response here.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
by *roadrunner https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=468* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and lebarhon at 14/06/11 11:42 did gyre and gimble: by *roadrunner https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=468* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
I agree. Mailing lists are messy and hard to follow. And sometimes the only response you get is about how you sent the message wrong. I bet more people would use the forums. Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Im seeing more and more comments coming in about this. forums would

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 09:07 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: So, IMHO this discussion is as meaningless as the famous/infamous vi vs emacs discussions of way back when. +1 Not to mention that if you don't like getting emails, you can always simply use the archives to find what interests you.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Bruno Cornec
Lee Forest said on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 08:52:50AM -0400: Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Yes, all the ones who really work on making the distro ! And I can't take that opportunity to thank them :-) My self +1 for ML, -1 for forums. Bruno. -- Open Source Linux

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. In a forum everything is more central. A lot less

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 15:38, Lee Forest lee...@gmail.com wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. As golden as the need to not to have redundancy: it depends. Redundancy can be very, very appreciated. But not always in a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 10:22 AM, Lee Forest wrote: On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: That's not caused by an ML, it's caused by people being lazy and quoting the entire message to which they're replying, which is a breach of netiquette. As is top-posting :-) Android mail does that by

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lee Forest at 14/06/11 13:52 did gyre and gimble: mailing list might work best for a couple people but is it worth inconveniencing the rest of the word because you are a die hard mailing list user I've posted the arguments before and I'll do it again, despite this thread

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time these replies complaining about top posting, lazyness, or 'netiquette' are being shot back instead of useful respones. In a forum this is much less

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Margot
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time these replies complaining about top posting, lazyness, or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 22:35:21 schreef Margot: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Margot mar...@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk: Forums aren't exactly 'modern' - they're just a BBS with added graphics. You put the whole discussion into the perspective it deserves! Thx for making my day! -- wobo