Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread Angelo Naselli
mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 00:23, andre999 ha scritto: A leaf package is a package that is not required by any other package. But leaf packages will always require something else. If B requires A, then A is not a leaf package, even though B could be. When backporting B, we test to make sure

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/29 Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it: mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 00:23, andre999 ha scritto: A leaf package is a package that is not required by any other package. But leaf packages will always require something else. If B requires A, then A is not a leaf package, even though B could

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 10:56 +0200, Angelo Naselli a écrit : mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 00:23, andre999 ha scritto: A leaf package is a package that is not required by any other package. But leaf packages will always require something else. If B requires A, then A is not a leaf

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread Angelo Naselli
mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 15:37, Michael Scherer ha scritto: If we start to add exception while we do not even have started to agree on the general case, we are never gonna go anywhere :) Yes sorry, that was not my intention :) I do believe we're an open community and as in every open

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op woensdag 29 juni 2011 17:28:30 schreef Angelo Naselli: mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 15:37, Michael Scherer ha scritto: If we start to add exception while we do not even have started to agree on the general case, we are never gonna go anywhere :) Yes sorry, that was not my intention :)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-29 Thread andre999
Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 10:56 +0200, Angelo Naselli a écrit : mercoledì 29 giugno 2011 alle 00:23, andre999 ha scritto: A leaf package is a package that is not required by any other package. But leaf packages will always require something else. If B requires A,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-28 Thread Angelo Naselli
domenica 26 giugno 2011 alle 13:38, Michael Scherer ha scritto: See the thread about policy, and the part about only packages that nothing requires should be backported. I can't see very well the leaf story... I mean any packages require something at least to build. Scripts need interpreters, so

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-28 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Angelo Naselli a écrit : domenica 26 giugno 2011 alle 13:38, Michael Scherer ha scritto: See the thread about policy, and the part about only packages that nothing requires should be backported. I can't see very well the leaf story... I mean any packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-28 Thread andre999
Angelo Naselli a écrit : domenica 26 giugno 2011 alle 13:38, Michael Scherer ha scritto: See the thread about policy, and the part about only packages that nothing requires should be backported. I can't see very well the leaf story... I mean any packages require something at least to build.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-27 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 25/06/11 23:16 did gyre and gimble: we always say that backports should mainly be cherry picked, but not enabled all the time... so how does installing a new version of e.g. wine break the user's system when he can easily back out that rpm? I a not sure

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-27 Thread John
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:17:22 +0100 Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 25/06/11 23:16 did gyre and gimble: we always say that backports should mainly be cherry picked, but not enabled all the time... so how does installing a new version of e.g. wine break the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-27 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 09:55 +1200, John a écrit : On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:17:22 +0100 Colin Guthrie wrote: That said, a GUI which detected that certain packages have come from backports and offers and easy mechanism to switch back to the older one from release or updates would, IMO, be a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-27 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 21:39:51, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Schererm...@zarb.org wrote: ... - I am not sure on this part, but basically, we have 2 choices : - the packager take the cauldron package and push to backport testing -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 26 juni 2011 00:16:59 schreef Michael Scherer: [...] we always say that backports should mainly be cherry picked, but not enabled all the time... so how does installing a new version of e.g. wine break the user's system when he can easily back out that rpm? I a not sure that

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
I a not sure that most people realize they can revert. Maybe a easier interface to do that could be offered ( along maybe with a tool that send feedback on why it did downgrade it ? ). that's not a bad idea, what is the best way to revert? is that with --old- package ? Maybe I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Sander Lepik
26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's nothing too hard. -- Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zondag 26 juni 2011 12:10:14 schreef Sander Lepik: 26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's nothing too

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 13:10 +0300, Sander Lepik a écrit : 26.06.2011 12:35, Michael Scherer kirjutas: urpme package; urpmi package That's not so easy if something depends on that package. How hard is it to implement rpm's --oldpackage to urpmi? I really don't know but i hope it's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 21:39:51, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Hi, as said in the thread of firefox 5, and in the meeting of packager sooner this week, this is the first mail about backports ( on 3 ). So here is the proposal of a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op zaterdag 25 juni 2011 19:33:15 schreef Samuel Verschelde: [...] However, I think it must be made a painless as possible to packagers : - in the common case, allow to submit directly from cauldron to the backports media, but let the BS detect that and automatically do the SVN copy part. -

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le samedi 25 juin 2011 21:22:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 25 June 2011 19:33, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 21:39:51, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: - Someone request a backport ( by bugzilla, by

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 25 June 2011 22:15, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: Le samedi 25 juin 2011 21:22:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 25 June 2011 19:33, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 21:39:51, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: The Request Backport Button could be a solution for non-english speakers. They can not use Bugzilla because they can not write in English to make their request understood, but they can find the package name in a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-25 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 22:39 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Hi, as said in the thread of firefox 5, and in the meeting of packager sooner this week, this is the first mail about backports ( on 3 ). So here is the proposal

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-24 Thread Angelo Naselli
- I am not sure on this part, but basically, we have 2 choices : - the packager take the cauldron package and push to backport testing - the packager move the cauldron package in svn to backport, and there send it to backport testing. copy i believe. IIUC we should branch cauldron into

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-24 Thread andre999
Michael Scherer a écrit : ... - Someone request a backport ... - a packager decide to do it. ... - I am not sure on this part, but basically, we have 2 choices : - the packager take the cauldron package and push to backport testing - the packager move the cauldron package in svn to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal of a backporting process

2011-06-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 24 June 2011 02:09, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Hi, as said in the thread of firefox 5, and in the meeting of packager sooner this week, this is the first mail about backports ( on 3 ). So here is the proposal of a process, based on the feedback of people, and the idea of some