Am 16.07.2011 13:29, schrieb Radu-Cristian FOTESCU:
it is. normally, when an update pushes a totally new kernel, it should make
sure GRUB still has an entry with the previous kernel.
no, not failsafe with the latest kernel, but just the previous working kernel.
with either of Mageia 1 and
在 Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:56:52 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
daniel.kreute...@googlemail.com寫道:
I totally agree with that. The normal behaviour should be that the old
kernel stays in the list for a while so if the new one fails you will
still be able to boot your system.
Do you have the same
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU skrev 16.7.2011 13:47:
tmb, I hate you.
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
Nope. It was intended, planned, tested and announced before:
and both i586 and x86_64 kernels were tested on a i7-860 workstation and
on a Acer TravelMate 5720 laptop before submitting to the buildsystem...
tmb, for the Wi-Fi issue, I identified the culprit.
With the 2.6.38 kernel, dkms-broadcom-wl was useless (Broadcom STA
is a hybrid driver,
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:37:26 -0700 (PDT), Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote:
and both i586 and x86_64 kernels were tested on a i7-860 workstation and
on a Acer TravelMate 5720 laptop before submitting to the buildsystem...
There is no forcing...
the old kernel is still
tmb, I hate you.
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to
let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.cawrote:
this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now
I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it),
My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they
just work
(acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer
travelmate
C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).
So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!
Eugeni,
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote:
tmb, I hate you.
really clever and polite ...
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
your call, should
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a
while, to let people test that
-list mageia-dev@mageia.org
Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote:
tmb, I hate you.
really clever and polite ...
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1
16.07.2011 14:07, D.Morgan kirjutas:
for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work
+1
R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
(at least
sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
--
Sander
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca
this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now
I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311
doesn't work even
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca wrote:
tmb, I hate you.
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
there should have been something like
you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0
kernel.
and the default
Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
sense.
ok, then how about
kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
kernel-desktop-latest-rc
kernel-desktop-latest-beta
?
because it's not a properly tested
在 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:29:27 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca寫道:
you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
the new kernel
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca
yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0
kernel.
and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.
On my machine there isnt't this
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:29 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11 Beta1
x86_64
into Cauldron, because it's beta.
heck, it's just a bloody plugin!
The mail is about pushing flash to stable, not cauldron.
--
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
sense.
ok, then how about
kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
16.07.2011 14:31, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
ok, then how about
kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
kernel-desktop-latest-rc
kernel-desktop-latest-beta
?
But why not kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-beta and
kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-rc, etc..
as well?
I think buildsystem would love it
On my machine there isnt't this problem.
The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4
all automatically, without editing.
so grub works normally.
no, it does not. it never did. the testing scenarios have always been
insufficient.
I needed to add an entry to menu.lst to chain
2011/7/16 D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
packages to be tested.
and could we call it cauldron ? :)
That's a great idea! :D
And by the way, this thread has
在 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:55:11 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.ca寫道:
On my machine there isnt't this problem.
The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4
all automatically, without editing.
so grub works normally.
no, it does not. it never did. the testing
R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
(at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
Sander,
As long as Linux distros are such idiotically designed that one can _not_ have
the latest packages for the applications I
In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 13:56:38, Oliver Burger ha scritto:
2011/7/16 D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
packages to be tested.
and could we call
16.07.2011 15:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
(at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use
it!
Sander,
[didn't read it all - don't have that much time]
R-C aka beranger
I have
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 05:11 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want
it
(at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use
it!
Sander,
As long as Linux distros are such
[didn't read it all - don't have that much time]
that's very considerate. at least, you were able to write the above line.
I have to say.. for the last 10+ years you have used OS that's not for you
and that you don't understand. Sorry for you, maybe Mr. Jobs can help you out?
I'd rather
THE ONE AND ONLY THING properly designed in Windows is that you can use
(almost) ANY version of ANY application w/o breaking the system and w/o
upgrading the system!
*Almost* as you said. Also windows changed and sometimes changes
between a sp to another, sometimes (often) some applications
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
beranger...@yahoo.cawrote:
To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a
cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some
breakages, but at least
(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the
On 07/16/2011 07:29 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end,
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 11:47 did gyre and
gimble:
tmb, I hate you.
making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
there should have been something like
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 12:55 did gyre and
gimble:
Once you manually touch menu.lst, it's never going to be properly updated
afterwards.
Rubbish. I've manually edited menu.lst in the past and my
changes/additions are correctly kept and also added to newly installed
WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker
and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x
rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing
specifically relating to anything significant or similar.
And who cares if -latest is
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca
Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was
recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would
update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are
_lower_ when
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 18:48 did gyre and
gimble:
WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in
cooker and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this
is 3.x.x rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and
nothing
2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca
Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles
but
at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in
cooker/cauldron
KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron.
Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never
Seriously, look in a mirror and judge yourself, not others.
OK, updating from 2.6.38 to 2.6.40-0.rc7 aka 3.0.0-0.rc7 was the right
thing.
Satisfied now?
There seem to be several standards when judging what to do in an unstable
distro.
In a released distro, the common rule is _not_ to update
The above statement clearly says I've only read one feature of
systemd
Maybe it's not about systemd. Maybe it's about upstart. Or maybe
it's about a half-dozen init system I don't care about -- and you know
why?
Not just because I'm not a sysadmin, but because the public image --
those 99%
'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 22:33 did gyre and
gimble:
I'm not jumping to any conclusion, I'm just not a fan of anything. It's hard
to find someone working in IT that is not proud of the field -- you too are
proud. I am working in IT and I don't praise anything. I'm
Sick of the lack of quality is perfectly acceptable, but you know what
fixes that? People who care about it actually *working* on it.
Complaining about it doesn't help anyone!
You're right in theory, and probably also in practice. However, as a
skeptical and pessimistic by nature (and by
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