Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-16 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:03:35PM +0300, Damian Ivanov wrote: > There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against it > (which is no problem compile only these programs > against this patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) ) Pretty sure you have that incorrect. All

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Angelo Naselli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 14/09/2012 21:03, Damian Ivanov ha scritto: > There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against > it (which is no problem compile only these programs against this > patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) ) > hmm bu

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Damian Ivanov
There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against it (which is no problem compile only these programs against this patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) ) 2012/9/14 Pacho Ramos : > El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 09:06 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribió: >> > Could both gtk+

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 09:06 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribió: > > Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official > > gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches) > No, ubuntu patches patch actual files, it would not be possible to > have gtk2 + gtk2-modul

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 02:03:46PM +0200, Damian Ivanov wrote: > It's just people "upstream" even denying things that are optional. Just because a patch exists doesn't mean it is always ok to apply it upstream. >From what I understood most of these patches are optional anyway. Further, I don't se

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Damian Ivanov
>Better reasons than "all my friends have it". Like in the last email, let's forget this argument and there are kick ass reasons see previous mails, It has a reason Mandriva searching for a new build system. And it wouldn't be a start at step 1. It is an already working alternative.

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/9/14 Johnny A. Solbu : > On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote: >> - OBS is the most widely-used build system > > In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one > thing does not mean that we should do it. > > I remember I used to use the same argumen

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Damian Ivanov
Here it is not like omg, I want to have my new toy, everybody has it.It is wow lots of entreprise users reporting bugs. But ok, let's ignore that point, there are other points. ;) On Sep 14, 2012 6:54 PM, "Johnny A. Solbu" wrote: > On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote: > > - OBS

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote: > - OBS is the most widely-used build system In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it. I remember I used to use the same argument when agruing with my mother when I w

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Damian Ivanov
Hi Colin, Thanks for you're answer! > The "Here is my PPA where I do x, y and z" style approach to software > repositories is always one we've deliberately avoided. It's creates > significant problems for our (relatively) small teams when doing QA and > addressing bug reports. Agreed, I'm quite s

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
Hi Damian, 'Twas brillig, and Damian Ivanov at 12/09/12 11:33 did gyre and gimble: > My name is Damian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of > unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora Thanks for writing and getting in touch! It's certainly an interesting proposal, but it'

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-14 Thread Damian Ivanov
> Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official > gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches) No, ubuntu patches patch actual files, it would not be possible to have gtk2 + gtk2-module-ubuntu

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 22:37 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribió: > There are lots of good reasons to switch to OBS >- OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of > the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from > windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms) >

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Damian Ivanov
> I'd rather have developers that actually use the distro they build for and > test the fixes themselves too. Oh, I use it on all my three private PC's http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_comparison http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2011/07/19/we-start-collecting-wishes-for-new-build-system/

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Thomas Backlund
13.09.2012 23:37, Damian Ivanov skrev: There are lots of good reasons to switch to OBS - OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms) I'd rather have developers tha

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Damian Ivanov
There are lots of good reasons to switch to OBS - OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms) - In OBS it's very easy to fix a package for everyone, if you have an a

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Thomas Backlund
13.09.2012 23:08, Damian Ivanov skrev: You mean using opensuse build system? Absolutely. As far as i can say adding the availability to build also mageia packages could be a good thing. I think best would even be Mageia being build by OBS itself as whole distribution. Why? We already have

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Damian Ivanov
Hi, > all that glitters is not gold... It's very hard to have a unique > spec file, rpm macros, package names, etc are often if not always > different, but i see some good things following libyui project... I dind't say a unique spec file, the only things that differs are the macros and the Requir

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Angelo Naselli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > it should be even more safe than directly in the distribution. 4 > distri maintainers watching the same sources and patches and one > place. all that glitters is not gold... It's very hard to have a unique spec file, rpm macros, package names, et

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Damian Ivanov
> You mean using opensuse build system? Absolutely. > As far as i can say adding the availability to build also mageia > packages could be a good thing. I think best would even be Mageia being build by OBS itself as whole distribution. > As far as user concerned though, using different repositori

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Angelo Naselli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 13/09/2012 14:08, Damian Ivanov ha scritto: > I am not talking yet about getting unity included in Mageia, but > to have the repo that is available for openSUSE and Fedora users > available for Mageia too. Add repo ==> Update ==> install unity You

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread AL13N
I'm afraid that there's not much chance of people from mageia contributing if it's not included in mageia itself. wrt to mageia itself, while policies are important, (and certainly we can't just patch away), the work must be maintained by someone, and more patches == more work to get it maintai

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Damian Ivanov
I am not talking yet about getting unity included in Mageia, but to have the repo that is available for openSUSE and Fedora users available for Mageia too. Add repo ==> Update ==> install unity > Well mentoring is important, users also but if there are zillions patches on > core GNOME it's another

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Anne Nicolas
Le 13/09/2012 14:02, Claire Robinson a écrit : On 12/09/12 22:53, JA Magallón wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:05 PM, Damian Ivanov wrote: My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains also unity

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-13 Thread Claire Robinson
On 12/09/12 22:53, JA Magallón wrote: > On 09/12/2012 10:05 PM, Damian Ivanov wrote: My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains also unity on Arch Linux. We use fo

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-12 Thread JA Magallón
On 09/12/2012 10:05 PM, Damian Ivanov wrote: My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open build service https://build.o

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-12 Thread Damian Ivanov
Hi, You can easily review it here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/packages?project=GNOME%3AAyatana But to sum it up, for packages that are packaged in evert (normal) distribution we made packages %name-ubuntu so e.g for gtk3 we have a package gtk3-ubuntu which Provides and Obsoletes gtk3. But

Re: [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 12:33 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribió: > Hi, > > > My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of > unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long > additionally maintains > also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the

[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia

2012-09-12 Thread Damian Ivanov
Hi, My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open build service https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3