Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-25 Thread Grant Ingersoll
OK, this has passed the PMC. I'll send it up to the Board. -Grant On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > This vote has passed: > +1s: 11 (all but one are binding) > +0: 1 > > I'll submit to the PMC. > > > On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > >> Per the earl

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-22 Thread Grant Ingersoll
This vote has passed: +1s: 11 (all but one are binding) +0: 1 I'll submit to the PMC. On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following > resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to >

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-20 Thread Isabel Drost
> [X] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Ted Dunning
Definitely not at 1.0 ! (it still isn't there) I first came to hadoop just after 0.15 came out which must have been shortly after it became a TLP. The code worked, but was pretty wild and woolly if you stepped into a dark corner. I would say that hadoop had a much better defined mission than Ma

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Karl Wettin
19 mar 2010 kl. 21.48 skrev Yonik Seeley: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Karl Wettin wrote: Perhaps wait for a 1.0? Mahout seems to have a book in progress... not too shabby! I hope I didn't seem to imply that Mahout is underdeveloped as I have no such opinon. I do however say that

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Karl Wettin wrote: > > 19 mar 2010 kl. 15.50 skrev Grant Ingersoll: > >> Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following >> resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to >> be a TLP. >> >> [] +1  I'm for Mahout

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Karl Wettin
19 mar 2010 kl. 15.50 skrev Grant Ingersoll: Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to be a TLP. [] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. [X] 0 No opinion [] -1 Bad

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > We should probably keep this open long enough for Isabel to vote, but I > think that we already have a clear majority (and nearly consensus). Yep, it's a 72 hour vote, but all signs are positive. > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ted Dunnin

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Ted Dunning
We should probably keep this open long enough for Isabel to vote, but I think that we already have a clear majority (and nearly consensus). On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > +1 as well. > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 AM, deneche abdelhakim > wrote: > >> [x] +1 I'm f

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Ted Dunning
+1 as well. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 AM, deneche abdelhakim wrote: > [x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. > > On 3/19/10, Drew Farris wrote: > > [x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll >

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread deneche abdelhakim
[x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. On 3/19/10, Drew Farris wrote: > [x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll > wrote: > >> >> [1] >> X. Establish the Apache Mahout Project >> >>  WHEREAS, the Boar

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Drew Farris
[x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > > [1] > X. Establish the Apache Mahout Project > >  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >  Foundat

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Benson Margulies
OK, I think that my medication state justifies discharge from the facility. Call me binding. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > Note, this is really a committer vote to ask the Lucene PMC to discharge > Mahout, so I'd consider all committer votes to be binding. > > -Grant

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following > resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to > be a TLP. > > [] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. Jeff Eastma

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Robin Anil
+1 Its about time :)

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
Note, this is really a committer vote to ask the Lucene PMC to discharge Mahout, so I'd consider all committer votes to be binding. -Grant On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > My nonbinding vote is +1. > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: >> Per

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Jake Mannix
+1 -jake

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread David Stuart
+1 nonbinding On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:05, Benson Margulies wrote: > My nonbinding vote is +1. > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: >> Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following >> resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then p

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Benson Margulies
My nonbinding vote is +1. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following > resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to > be a TLP. > > [] +1  I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Sean Owen
[X] +1  I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > [] +1  I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below.

Re: [VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
Here's my vote. On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following > resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to > be a TLP. > > [x] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution be

[VOTE] Mahout as TLP

2010-03-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
Per the earlier discussions, I'm calling a vote to submit the following resolution [1] to the Lucene PMC for consideration to then promote Mahout to be a TLP. [] +1 I'm for Mahout being a TLP and the resolution below. [] 0 No opinion [] -1 Bad idea. Please give justification. Majority wins (i

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-15 Thread Jeff Eastman
+1 on Isabel's comments. Isabel Drost wrote: On Sat Grant Ingersoll wrote: I don't see any harm in getting 0.3 out first if that makes folks more comfortable. Yeah, this feels better to me the more I think about it. +1 from me as well: I really like the idea of Mahout becomi

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-15 Thread Robin Anil
+1

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-15 Thread Isabel Drost
On Sat Grant Ingersoll wrote: > > I don't see any harm in getting 0.3 out first if that makes folks > > more comfortable. > > Yeah, this feels better to me the more I think about it. +1 from me as well: I really like the idea of Mahout becoming a TLP - even before a 1.0 release is available. Ho

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Feb 13, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The ongoing admin is really no big deal. The PMC has to report to the > board once a month. Once a quarter normally. > As Grant noted, the initial work is mostly a gift > from infra. > > I don't see any harm in getting 0.3 out first if tha

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Benson Margulies
The ongoing admin is really no big deal. The PMC has to report to the board once a month. As Grant noted, the initial work is mostly a gift from infra. I don't see any harm in getting 0.3 out first if that makes folks more comfortable. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Drew Farris wrote: > I ca

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Drew Farris
I can't say that I really understand the issues (if there are any) of the Mahout project running under Lucene's PMC vs. a Mahout PMC, but it sounds like that would be a big factor in deciding whether the project should be migrated to its own TLP, eg: if Mahout discussions took up a significant port

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Ted Dunning
+1 to waiting. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > In the end, I still am +1, but think it makes sense to wait until after > 0.3. Besides, since the next board meeting is Wednesday, this will give us > more time to think about it. > -- Ted Dunning, CTO DeepDyve

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Grant Ingersoll
All valid points by the many who have responded. Thanks! When I woke up this morning, I thought maybe we should postpone until 0.3 is out, so it is good to see this expressed here as well. As for concerns about overhead, infra@ will take care of most of the heavy lifting (new mailing lists,

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-13 Thread Kay Kay
As a lurker around in this community and an active user myself, expressing mine for whatever it is worth. I am happy with the decoupling of ML from Search, with the former warranting a separate attention to itself. So, +1 on this happening eventually to be more independent, but my reservation

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Jake Mannix
So I'm strongly in favor of getting to decide our own destiny, so in that sense I'm very much a +1 for this. Ditto for the option to create sub-projects. Then there's the simple fact that we are not in any real way a project that *belongs* as part of "Lucene" in the long run. What makes me ambiv

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Ted Dunning
Presumably one of the benefits of this will be fewer +0 votes on Mahout issues due to fewer Lucene centric folks to don't follow our machinations. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > 1) Mahout has it's own PMC. That group will vote on committers, > releases, and other legal

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Benson Margulies
TLP-itude means the following: 1) Mahout has it's own PMC. That group will vote on committers, releases, and other legal issues. Funny, it's a short list, isn't it? There are many things we might want to do that will be easier to organize if it's just 'us chickens' that have to decide, not that t

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Ted Dunning
My ambivalence has to do with uncertainties, mostly. I don't have a clear idea of what will change. It seems like very little, but there is some overhead. It still seems like a good move regardless of what I don't know. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Jake Mannix wrote: > What are your ambiv

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Jake Mannix
What are your ambivalencies, Ted? I'm a little split myself, but all of my "cons" are very fuzzy and hard to articulate (mainly around timing). Could you spell out why your +1 is any weaker than it could be? -jake On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I am a bit ambivalent,

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Ted Dunning
I am a bit ambivalent, but net +1 on this. The deciding factor for me is that it makes it easier to express the sub-projects. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Dawid Weiss wrote: > > 1. We'd like to organize several subprojects we wish to introduce (Core, > NLP, Recommenders/Taste, Ports - C++,

Re: Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Dawid Weiss
> 1.  We'd like to organize several subprojects we wish to introduce (Core, > NLP, Recommenders/Taste, Ports - C++, etc.) that wouldn't really fit as > Lucene subprojects. And the collections package, vectors, verification and evaluation code, potential test data sets... yes, makes sense to make

Mahout as TLP

2010-02-12 Thread Grant Ingersoll
As many of you know, Mahout has been growing pretty quickly and has also reached a critical mass. I, along with some others in the Mahout community, feel it would make sense for Mahout to become a TLP With this in mind, I've submitted a proposal to the Lucene PMC to ask the board to make Mahou