making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Tobias Eigen
Hi Brad - Sorry for sitting on this for so long - would like to respond to it though.. see below. And this, plus the CAN prefix to the patch name, reminds me: correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Mailman as it exists does not comply with the new (unfortunately named) CAN

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:54 AM -0500 2005-02-16, Tobias Eigen wrote: I know all this - and I know you know it, and I know all Mailman geeks like us get it. The problem is with regular, every day people who are expecting (and really can be expected to expect) Yahoogroups type interfaces. All I can say is that

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Adrian Bye
All I can say is that Mailman is a non-profit open source project, run by a group of people in whatever spare time they can manage to scrape together. The Linux folks haven't cracked the ease-of-use aspects of their OS compared to Microsoft, not even for the companies that

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread JC Dill
Adrian Bye wrote: If someone wanted to pay large sums of money to make an open source Yahoo! Groups-beating package, and pay people to work on that as their full-time job, we might be able to change this situation -- in time. We've previously had conversations about some Yahoo groups

[Mailman-Developers] Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant

2005-02-16 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
Adrian Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mailman CAN be as good - and better - than Yahoo Groups. It doesn't have to take lots of money and resources. Just being willing to accept our code a piece at a time, and encouraging those who contribute will go a long way towards getting there. I

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:54, Tobias Eigen wrote: It's really weird to have to log in multiple times to access multiple list settings, especially if it's the same password being used everywhere. It's likewise weird to then be able to make global changes from one list's preferences page.

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Kevin McCann
Tobias Eigen wrote: What I envision having in my Mailman/Mambo system is a single user database with one password per username for all services. Users can then go to a simple preferences page on Mambo and do basic things like change their email address or password, tick a box to opt in/out of

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:13, JC Dill wrote: Right now, I would suggest being patient. I suggest you give it a week for Barry and the other key developers to to find the time to start looking at new code after they dig out from their present schedule overload caused by the recent security

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:28 AM -0400 2005-02-16, Adrian Bye wrote: We've previously had conversations about some Yahoo groups functionality which you said wasn't possible: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp Indeed, we have. Yesterday I contributed patches which enables

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:13 AM -0800 2005-02-16, JC Dill wrote: I don't know what Brad's key focus is on this list, but I can share with you that *I* am not a developer in that I don't write code. I'm not a developer, either. I can do a little bit of hacking together scripts, but that's about it.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:24, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Maybe open up the code to a few more commiters would help? But, I don't get the impression there's much interest in letting others have a crack at it. I agree that I am going to have to open the project up to more committers if Mailman 3

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:42, Kevin McCann wrote: BARRY: would now be a good time to re-energize discussions on the MM3 development list? What is your time like? And are there any plans for a MM3 sprint? I can send people. Yes, let's start things back up on mailman3-dev. I definitely plan

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers]Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adrian Bye wrote: Yesterday I contributed patches which enables Mailman to have this exact functionality which we borrowed from Yahoo Groups. Yet I've seen no response from you yet, and only one half dismissive response from another mailman developer. Since mine was to only reply to your post,

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: I try to do all the little things I can, so that Barry and the core developers can focus their attention on the big things that I have no hope of ever being able to touch. For the most part, I try to follow the lead of people like Barry,

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Bryan Fullerton
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:32:58 -0800, Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think its safe to say that it's not lack of interest or intent here with any of us, but a lack of free time. And time, of course is one commodity you can't do much about some times. Ditto. My daughter just

Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Announce] Critical security update for Mailman 2.1.5 and earlier [origin: mailman-developers-owner@python.org]]

2005-02-16 Thread Harald Meland
From: Axel Beckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Announce] Critical security update for Mailman 2.1.5 and earlier To: mailman-developers@python.org I just want to share my experiences with the patch: Am Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:41:05AM -0500, Barry Warsaw schrieb: There is