Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi all, Sorry that I can't say anything nice on this thread but my feelings on this distributed somthing :-P is just the same as Mark's. Currently, I am extremely busy on everyday duties and difficult to find time to code. I will be able to spare more time for mailman when the cemester ends

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > I propose that no matter which way we go (Mercurial, Bazaar or > something else), we convert only the trunk. Let's leave the stable > 2.1 branch on SF under Subversion, but do all new development in the > dvcs. Why not do both? That is, if Tailor does its thing

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: > >I propose that no matter which way we go (Mercurial, Bazaar or >something else), we convert only the trunk. Let's leave the stable >2.1 branch on SF under Subversion, but do all new development in the >dvcs. It will be a bit more painful to commit fixes across both

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 4, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > That's right. In my integration workspace maintained under git, I > basically branch for *every* commit back to the XEmacs CVS, and delete > the branch when I see the commit notice. In my sand

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 4, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: > >> Is anybody interested in trying to complete the Mercurial >> conversion? I can make a bz2-tarball of the svn repository available >> if you want to give it a shot. It

[Mailman-Developers] status of backscatter prevention?

2007-05-04 Thread Jo Rhett
I remember a number of threads about backscatter prevention, but I don't remember the result. Perusing the archives isn't much more enlightening. Where are we on this? In particular, other than removing all but one of the aliases, have we made it easier for people to run a backscatter pro

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > On May 3, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > > #1. *everyone* knows how to use it and almost all OSS software > > projects use it. You could say the same for Microsoft Windows. But not for svk. svk apparently uses an idiosyncratic notation, not horrible or

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Is anybody interested in trying to complete the Mercurial > conversion? I can make a bz2-tarball of the svn repository available > if you want to give it a shot. It's about 87MB. I'll take svn2hg via Tailor, since that's what I'm using anyway for XEmacs. ___

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > So my take away from this is that while a conversion would be / > possible/ it's not completely seamless or automatic. If we choose > wrong, we'll suffer some pain, but we'll recover. ;) Would you say > that's accurate? I could live with that. I really doubt we'

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On the Mercurial front, last night I tried to use yasvn2hg to convert the Mailman repository to hg. The conversion failed however: Error: could not classify changeset 102 I haven't had time to try some of the other conversion scripts. I'd bet thi

Re: [Mailman-Developers] alioth.debian.org and mercurial (was: Re: Should we move to Bazaar?)

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 4, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Joost van Baal wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:16:57AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> Alioth > > See http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth and > https://alioth.debian.org/projects/siteadmin/ for information about >

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Ethan Fremen wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> Of course, I think it /will/ make our lives harder in some ways. As >> we've seen, folks like cPanel have their own forks that they modify, >> and then their users come looki

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 9:45 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 08:50:16AM -0700, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVK > > What about SVK's speed, though? > > There was discussion of providing a DVCS mirror of the Py

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Mads Kiilerich wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote, On 05/03/2007 05:16 PM: >> Alioth is for Debian only, right? Would they host Mercurial branches >> for other FLOSS software like Mailman? If we go with Mercurial, >> we'll need

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: > >> Your point about interoperability is an important one, and definitely >> a factor in the decision. I think the risk is mitigated by tools >> like Tailor, > > Tailor i

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Should we move to Bazaar?

2007-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 3, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > Since I haven't seen anyone else mention this... there is also: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVK > > I say stick with Subversion/SVK: > > #1. *everyone* knows how to use it and almost all OSS

[Mailman-Developers] alioth.debian.org and mercurial (was: Re: Should we move to Bazaar?)

2007-05-04 Thread Joost van Baal
Hi, On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:16:57AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Alioth See http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth and https://alioth.debian.org/projects/siteadmin/ for information about this service. > is for Debian only, right? "Any free software project where a Debian Developer is involved is