Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think. It is fine if someone considers the obfuscation that Mailman uses is

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: Yes. It is critical to keep user perception in mind. Specifically, if you don't keep email addresses off the global search engines, there will be a deluge of vocal complaints from users who neither care about nor understand the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Bernd Siggy Brentrup wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:03 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: What I'm thinking is that there should be a send me this message link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Barry Warsaw writes: What I'm thinking is that there should be a send me this message link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a conversation as if you'd been there

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think. It is fine if someone

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation codefrom Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: As for using robots.txt, hmm, it is not the legitimate search engines I care about, it is the search engines/crawlers that do not respect my robots.txt file that I care about. If I had an effective way to consistently

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Dale Newfield
Barry Warsaw wrote: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow up to that message using my normal mail toolchain, but I found the archive page

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dale Newfield wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to follow up to that message using

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: I am pretty sure allowing the raw email addresses to be available is going to go over like a lead balloon here. Anything (however minor) to help protect the users/clients email addresses is helpful despite what others think.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Dale Newfield
Barry Warsaw wrote: Now I can hit 'reply' and inject myself seamlessly into that 2 year old thread. As long as the mailing list name/address hasn't migrated/changed in the interim... Good point. ...perhaps the original message munged to ensure current accuracy of the to/cc/reply-to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation codefrom Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread C Nulk
Mark Sapiro wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:15 PM, C Nulk wrote: As for using robots.txt, hmm, it is not the legitimate search engines I care about, it is the search engines/crawlers that do not respect my robots.txt file that I care about. If I had an

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:48 PM, David Champion wrote: I'm going to embracing and extend something Barry suggested in private mail. He suggested a list setting that permits signed-in list subscribers to download raw archives if they have some 'archive-approved' status. What if that is a three-way

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread David Champion
* On 31 Aug 2009, Barry Warsaw wrote: Mailman will always still collect the raw data for messages sent to the list. There are legitimate uses for allowing outsiders access to that data (say, the list is moving and you want to migrate the archives), so I think we always want to support

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: Let's say I just joined the XEmacs development mailing list after a long absence. Hey, welcome back! Do you plan to return to Supercite maintenance?wink I find a message in the archive from two years ago that is relevant to an issue I'm having. I'd like to