On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 17:11 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Grackle is another archiver for mailman that doesn't
> have the UI bells and whistles of hyperkitty but it does make an
> effort to expose a REST UI to the world. I think that's a beautiful
> thing.
I started a small thing on hyperkitt
* On 29 Mar 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM, David Jeske wrote:
> >> - Merging of forums, archives, newsgroups, and IMAP.
> >
> > You like to bite off the big ones eh? NNTP, then IMAP.
> >
> > Does anyone even use fat-mail-clients anymore?
>
> Yes, and yes. Bu
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM, David Jeske wrote:
>> - Merging of forums, archives, newsgroups, and IMAP.
>
> You like to bite off the big ones eh? NNTP, then IMAP.
>
> Does anyone even use fat-mail-clients anymore?
Yes, and yes. But I don't think anybody has really thought carefully
about the
> - Stable URLs, RFC 5064 + X-Message-ID-Hash.
> See the above links. If you can implement the
> `IArchiver.permalink()` method and ensure that even if
> completely wiped and regenerated from the
> underlying raw messages, your URLs
> will remain stable, I think you will have won. :)
This is re
On Mar 27, 2012 8:47 PM, "Barry Warsaw" wrote:
> but that we're pretty far away from being
> able to bless an archiver right now.
I just want to be clear, that I'm obviously not asking for anyone to bless
a specific archiver and roll it into the distribution.
I'm trying to get some idea wha
On Mar 26, 2012, at 06:07 PM, David Jeske wrote:
>I highly recommend reconsidering this and including a standard archiver
>with mailman. If the number of sites that use pipermail is any indication,
>I think failing to include something will basically mean lots of lists
>without any archives.
I th
On Mar 26, 2012, at 05:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>We'd love to have work done on the archier! I know that we're ditching
>pipermail entirely and that archivers are becoming separate from the core
>mailman. What I don't know is whether mailman3 will eventually have
>a standard archiver which
On Mar 27, 2012, at 08:53 AM, David Jeske wrote:
>Storm-ORM looks like it allows any primary key so that's good. From a quick
>glance it looks very similar to the Clearsilver-odb-orm in syntax and
>function. My primary beef with django-orm (last time I looked at it) was it
>requiring a unique-id p
On Mar 27, 2012, at 09:32 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>Well, for the official poop you'll have to wait for Barry, but AFAICS
>archivers aren't restricted to Storm + RESTish (which is what Mailman itself
>uses) because they're separate applications. If the archiver/web UI is going
>to be distri
On Mar 27, 2012, at 01:29 PM, Terri Oda wrote:
>So Postorius (the webUI) has a sketch of an auth system using BrowserID at
>the moment. BrowserID is convenient 'cause it proves you have ownership of a
>given email address, but we should have OpenID working soon once we've got
>the code to confirm
On Mar 26, 2012, at 10:37 PM, David Jeske wrote:
>Yes. My CSLA code is on the table for MM2 or 3. It's python, and it's BSD.
>More than that, if you folks want it, I'm happy to retool/rewrite it as
>needed to make it suitable. (it has lots of great features, but i havn't
>touched it in a long time
On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>Pipermail is going the way of the dodo, yes, but there will be something
>bundled with Mailman, I'm pretty sure.
fsvo "bundled" :)
>(1) the communication from Mailman to the archivers will be via
>LMTP/SMTP, including a Mailman-specific h
On Mar 26, 2012, at 03:20 PM, David Jeske wrote:
>I'm writing to find out the state of and philosophy surrounding pipermail
>in mailman, to see if there is a productive way to provide some
>code/development-time to that part of mailman.
That's awesome. Pipermail (in its current state) is ancient
On 03/26/2012 11:37 PM, David Jeske wrote:
CSLA doesn't currently have any concept server-auth. The only stateful
features it has are view-preferences and read-state, neither of which are
important enough to require a password. It uses a password-less system
which uses cookies for prefs and a 're
On Mar 27, 2012 5:32 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote:
> If the archiver/web UI is going to be distributed
> *with* Mailman, Barry would probably prefer
> Storm + Django because that's what
> Mailman/Protorius (core and admin web UI, resp.) are
> using. But I imagine that's negotiable as long as
>
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM, David Jeske wrote:
> Can you share something about dependency philosophy (besides licensing) in
> Mailman?
Well, for the official poop you'll have to wait for Barry, but AFAICS archivers
aren't restricted to Storm + RESTish (which is what Mailman itself uses)
bec
I brought up a quick CSLA injest of some mailman-dev posts to show off some
basic features. I'm having a little trouble with the swish-e code, so the
features that depend on text-indexing arn't working at the moment (search,
author search). The current UI uses user-cookies to choose between a
2-pa
> So if you have already developed some stuff, I
> certainly would love to see you put it on the table
> as a candidate for the Mailman 3 default
> archive web UI.
Yes. My CSLA code is on the table for MM2 or 3. It's python, and it's BSD.
More than that, if you folks want it, I'm happy to retool/r
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:20:05PM -0700, David Jeske wrote:
> As I was talking about hyperkitty we touched briefly on
> what I think is one of the central conundrums about having only unofficial
> third party archivers: how to have a con
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, David Jeske wrote:
> I'm writing to find out the state of and philosophy surrounding pipermail
> in mailman,
There's been a lot of discussion of this over the years; you should spend
some time in the mailman-developers and mailman-users archives
looking for it, be
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> We'd love to have work done on the archier! I know that we're ditching
> pipermail entirely and that archivers are becoming separate from the core
> mailman. What I don't know is whether mailman3 will eventually have
> a standard archive
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:20:05PM -0700, David Jeske wrote:
> I'm writing to find out the state of and philosophy surrounding pipermail
> in mailman, to see if there is a productive way to provide some
> code/development-time to that part of mailman.
>
> I know there are several decent third-part
I'm writing to find out the state of and philosophy surrounding pipermail
in mailman, to see if there is a productive way to provide some
code/development-time to that part of mailman.
I know there are several decent third-party archivers out there, but many
of the mailing list archives I browse r
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