[Mailman-Users] Service provider environments

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: We can repeat the mantra -- Mailman was *NEVER* designed to be used in a Service Provider environment, especially not with multiple customers who may have very different needs, That's technically true, but Mailman has grown a long list of features that make it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gadi Evron writes: crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it would be useful *your mail system

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider it a big deal,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bill Catambay writes: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Gadi Evron writes: crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Bill Catambay wrote: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider

Re: [Mailman-Users] Service provider environments

2009-11-23 Thread LuKreme
On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:42, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: We also need to improve the administrative interface. Mark (and you, inter alia) have spent *way* too much time typing five levels of menu navigation into answers to how do I ... questions. Oh yeah, the UI has much

Re: [Mailman-Users] Service provider environments

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:31 AM, LuKreme wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:42, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: We also need to improve the administrative interface. Mark (and you, inter alia) have spent *way* too much time typing five levels of menu navigation into answers to how do I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Knowles
On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad Knowles wrote: At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I can see that it might be a useful

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Gadi Evron wrote: Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency feature. I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatever

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:32 PM +0900 on 11/23/09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Bill Catambay writes: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually, MM2

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:56 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatever reason, the list was working but email delivery

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 11:05 AM -0500 on 11/23/09, Barry Warsaw wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I knew I'd seen that somewhere. Problem was I looked for it as an RFE and not as an existing feature :) :) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 09:42 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: However, the laundry list of useful features that could be added to Mailman is several miles long and almost as wide, and I'm not qualified to judge where on that laundry list this particular feature would/should fall -- I'll leave that to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 1:32 PM +0200 on 11/23/09, Gadi Evron wrote: Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency feature. Announcement feature would be better, since it's not always going to be an emergency (and would still work in my situation). -- ,,,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you understand that your specific need/situation - email

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 8:52 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terri Oda wrote: Maybe a nice in-between solution would be making sure the FAQ/Documentation had an entry saying if you need to get an emergency message out and Mailman is not working, here's how to get the whole subscriber list and send a Bcc'ed mail Anyone want to volunteer to stick that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: An ever-increasing number of software packages support the installation of 3rd party extensions, said extensions supporting the activities of installation, deactivation and removal, leaving the core system unaltered. This provides end

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Bill Catambay wrote: If by send a message, you mean email a message to the normal foo- list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). Honestly, I don't see Mailman doing

[Mailman-Users] Digest cron time

2009-11-23 Thread hone+mailman
Using Mailman version: 2.1.9 on RedHat The time to deliver digest messages is set to noon. Is this a Mailman choice or a RedHat choice. # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. It seems to me that sometime before 8am would be more logical. It would

Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest cron time

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
hone+mail...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu wrote: The time to deliver digest messages is set to noon. Is this a Mailman choice or a RedHat choice. # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. It seems to me that sometime before 8am would be more logical. It would be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
Okay, today was quite the rollercoaster. I finally got an email from my ISP's Operations group stating that the foo-list-mod email was working, but when I tried, it didn't work. Bounced just like before. I called them up, and when I told them it was still bouncing, they insisted that it was

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: In any case, I did have one follow-up question (suggestion, actually, from a member of my list). In the digests, is there any setting that is available to *me* that will let me put the digest prolog text (e.g., To subscribe..., When replying..., etc., etc.) at the bottom

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
How about changing the text? At 4:21 PM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: In any case, I did have one follow-up question (suggestion, actually, from a member of my list). In the digests, is there any setting that is available to *me* that will let me put the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread LuKreme
On 23-Nov-2009, at 17:21, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: In any case, I did have one follow-up question (suggestion, actually, from a member of my list). In the digests, is there any setting that is available to *me* that will let me put the digest prolog text (e.g., To

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: How about changing the text? The text is built from the masthead.txt template. A list specific version of this template can be installed (see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9), but not by *you* (unless you start running your own Mailman). This is not one of the 4

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
Okay, thanks for the info. I'll go stealth for awhile. :) At 4:38 PM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: How about changing the text? The text is built from the masthead.txt template. A list specific version of this template can be installed (see the FAQ at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
LuKreme wrote: I THINK that the No really means that it is not possible. Not without modifying the source code. The Digest messages are sent out as multi-part mime messages. Each message in the digest is a separate mime part. The text of the actual message is the thing that appears to be a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Revisit to moderator aliases

2009-11-23 Thread LuKreme
On 23-Nov-2009, at 17:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: And list owners and other list members would never have to deal with posts with Subject: Re: listname Digest, Vol nn, Issue nn and bodies consisting of Yeah, me too followed by a quote of the entire digest. /rant I'm hoping that in MM3 when