Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: > Well, Steve channeled me earlier, so I'll return the favor. And did it with extreme precision and accuracy. Sorry if I created any misunderstandings. The only thing I have to add is that mailman-users@python.org is not going away. Furthermore, I expect that Mark and I,

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Phil Stracchino writes: > On 2020-02-28 05:44, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > str in Python 1, and the history of Mailman as an MLM for an American > > rock band (who needs no steekin' accents, we just hammer and bend the > > strings!) > > This is clearly a story I didn't know. :) And

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brian Carpenter writes: > On 2/28/20 1:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Quite a few core settings are not exposed in Postorius but we're > > chipping away at that. > > Is there a list somewhere to see what core settings have not been > exposed in Postorius yet? Implicit in the Postorius UI

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
@mailman-users I'm going to get into a lot of design here, so I'm moving the thread to mailman-develop...@python.org. Reply-To set; please respect. Brian kept in Reply-To as a courtesy, don't know if he's subscribed over there. @mailman-developers Brian is planning to develop an alternative web

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Brian Carpenter
On 2/28/20 1:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Quite a few core settings are not exposed in Postorius but we're chipping away at that. Is there a list somewhere to see what core settings have not been exposed in Postorius yet? -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 2/28/20 10:24 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I think that is Brian's and a lot of other people's concern. 3 years to > implement something into MM3 that was a core feature in MM2. I realize > this next question is going to sound bombastic, I assure you it's not > meant that

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/28/20 6:17 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 19:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Brian Carpenter writes: > > > > > > > I have hired a professional PHP developer to begin work on a new > > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 2/28/20 6:17 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 19:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Brian Carpenter writes: >> >> > I have hired a professional PHP developer to begin work on a new >> > admin/forum interface for Mailman 3. >> >> Too bad. I really

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Brian Carpenter
On 2/28/20 5:52 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Too bad. I really sympathize with your goals but am unlikely to be able to contribute directly to implementation (assuming an eventual open-sourcing). Never learned PHP, not going to do it anytime soon. That's OK, the point of REST is so*you*

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-02-28 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 2020-02-28 05:44, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mailman has the opposite problem. We *wish* str was Unicode from the > get-go, but it wasn't, and Mailman 2 is rife with potential encoded/ > decoded confusion because of the nature of email and the dual usage of > str in Python 1, and the history

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 19:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Brian Carpenter writes: > > > I have hired a professional PHP developer to begin work on a new > > admin/forum interface for Mailman 3. > > Too bad. I really sympathize with your goals but am unlikely to be > able to contribute

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brian Carpenter writes: > I have hired a professional PHP developer to begin work on a new > admin/forum interface for Mailman 3. Too bad. I really sympathize with your goals but am unlikely to be able to contribute directly to implementation (assuming an eventual open-sourcing). Never

Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)

2020-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Phil Stracchino writes: > Rewriting without breaking is hard. True. > There is a Python framework called Twisted. Not an example appropriate to Mailman, though. The Twisted people were doing amazing things with str, to which Unicode was irrelevant, because their job was to shovel bytes from