Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
this feature, as does Thunderbird, which is fairly popular. I was under the impression that Outlook and/or Outlook Express had it too, but I'm not sure about this. -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP Computer Services |is the certainty of change 512-259-1190 | http

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Sent from the Dehut/Haisley iPad email househ...@fmp.com On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: As far as editing, top posting, bottom posting, etc. it's just a matter of using good sense. This list strongly prefers

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
at all, except as a MUA to distribute FMP's monthly invoices and statements, and it has issues which make it problematic for this purpose unless one is careful. -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP Computer Services |is the certainty of change 512-259-1190

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
, I _officially_ acknowledge that I made a mistake/mis-spoke, and I apologize to you, and to anyone else who was confused or annoyed by what I said! I still think you pretty much missed my point. Can we move on now? -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP Computer Services

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
://www.fmp.com/living_with_evolution.html -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP Computer Services |is the certainty of change 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| - Ancient wisdom, all cultures -- Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
belong. I'm happy to be the technical admin, and deal with problems with spam and the occasional technically disruptive member or ex-member, but I don't want to get into the day-to-day decisions about what's allowed or not on a list. -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to the immediate focus of the conversation. If you can read your own post, and it makes good sense and gets your point across, as concisely as possible, it doesn't matter what you cut or leave, or if you top post or bottom post. -- Lindsay Haisley | The only unchanging certainty FMP Computer Services

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing arbitrary headers

2015-02-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 12:09 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: '^(?!(x-|organization))' Thanks! I assume the re.IGNORECASE flag is set :) -- Lindsay Haisley | We have met the enemy and he is us. FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | -- Pogo http://www.fmp.com

[Mailman-Users] Removing arbitrary headers

2015-02-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Mailman-Users] All AOL unsubscribed

2014-12-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
who disallow AOL subscribers altogether! They're just too much of a headache. Anyone with minimal computer skills can get a Gmail address and it's a much better ESP. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie

Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

2014-12-08 Thread Lindsay Haisley
would think this would be a problem only if he was posting _from_ an address that advertises a DMARC policy. Gmail accounts are free . -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

2014-12-08 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 09:36 -0800, Carl Zwanzig wrote: On 12/8/2014 9:11 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: For an announcement list, I would think this would be a problem only if he was posting _from_ an address that advertises a DMARC policy. you'd think so, but the sender is on well.com; all

Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

2014-12-08 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 10:25 -0800, Carl Zwanzig wrote: (Please don't ask me questions about this, the answer would probably be a tarball of the logs. I'm sorry I even brought it up.) LOL!! No regrets, Carl :) No, no! We DON'T need a tarball of logs! I'll drop the subject. -- Lindsay

Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

2014-12-07 Thread Lindsay Haisley
clients vary substantially in how they handle DSNs and NDRs, and without centralized control over this you'd have chaos! Mail clients vary widely in their quality, behavior and adherence to published standards. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259

[Mailman-Users] Apache 2.4 and Mailman

2014-12-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
or wherever. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

2014-12-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 00:55 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: But don't fix what ain't broke is a great rule. *We* (technies) should apply it more often. ;-) It is often said, with some truth, that the only way to get a computer program finished is to kill the programmer. -- Lindsay Haisley

[Mailman-Users] mailman group membership in /etc/group

2014-12-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
been a problem. I've done a bit of googling for this and can't find a reference on it, so I thought I'd ask :) -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

[Mailman-Users] Incorrect email address - a bug?

2014-12-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
...@fmp.com isn't an owner of the list, just a subscriber. I _can_ log in as an administrator using my skeleton key pw, but when this happens, I'm not logged in as one (if I am, of course, I go straight to the member options page w.o. being asked to authenticate). -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything

Re: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect email address - a bug?

2014-12-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:32 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote: Going to the member options page from the general info page (not logged in as an admin), I enter my email address on the latter and get the login page for user list management. The page shows, quite correctly, listname list: member

Re: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect email address - a bug? [SOLVED!]

2014-12-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
that they aren't sent to the actual member address which in the case of an umbrella list is another list, not an individual. Ah-HA! Thanks, Mark. This wasn't intentionally set by me, maybe accidentally, or by the list administrators for whom I set up the list. That solved it :) -- Lindsay

Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange rejection - THANKS!!!

2014-10-27 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 08:36 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 10/24/2014 11:17 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: The vette logfile just says: Oct 24 23:15:30 2014 (2180) Message discarded, msgid: 1414210524.38839.9.ca...@pudina.fmp.com In Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, in the _dopipeline

[Mailman-Users] Strange rejection

2014-10-25 Thread Lindsay Haisley
be causing this? I'm Python-literate and can read tracebacks and poke diagnostic code into Mailman modules if someone can point me in the right direction to get to the bottom of this. I've got half a dozen or so lists to move so I have to get this solved. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works

Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange rejection

2014-10-25 Thread Lindsay Haisley
fan of intelligent logging! This would be a good mod for a future version of MM 2. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Redacted Email Address in Feedback Loop

2014-08-18 Thread Lindsay Haisley
about it when people have them. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Redacted Email Address in Feedback Loop

2014-08-18 Thread Lindsay Haisley
. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Determine listserv that a member belongs to

2014-06-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
. Some knowledge of Python is necessary, otherwise YMMV :) -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Determine listserv that a member belongs to

2014-06-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
about who has terminal access on a server running Mailman. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Determine listserv that a member belongs to

2014-06-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 14:00 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 06/16/2014 01:45 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: If you have shell access on a Mailman host you can pretty much do as you wish, including circumventing a lot of Mailman's privacy walls, all without having system root access

Re: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management PHP UI

2014-06-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
and $return_var arguments. Mailman list administration has the advantage in this in that it's also written in python. Make sure the user that your PHP script runs as is in the mailman group. You can make very good use of ~mailman/bin/withlist -r to do pretty much whatever you need to do. -- Lindsay

Re: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management PHP UI

2014-06-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/fmouse%40fmp.com -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving Configurations and Lists to a New Server

2014-06-05 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to error messages. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Install from repository, or build from source?

2014-06-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to make sure all file permissions and ownerships are appropriate. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Who authored the message?

2014-05-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
rather than the rule. It's an incredible testament to the folks who designed these protocols that the Internet email system, arguably the most stressed of all Internet services, still works at all, but it's fairly obvious that something is going to have to change. -- Lindsay Haisley

[Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.18-1 question

2014-05-12 Thread Lindsay Haisley
-applied, a bit of a PITA but I can do it if necessary. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | - The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Saving list subscribers from a backup

2014-05-12 Thread Lindsay Haisley
unsubscribed during the time period covered by the log file. As I said, Mark will probably have more details on this stuff. He usually does. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | - The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Saving list subscribers from a backup

2014-05-12 Thread Lindsay Haisley
. 8 then all the information you want will be there. Absent this, once actual auto-unsubscriptions started, the only way to recover auto-unsubscribed addresses is by pulling them from Mailman's subscribe log file, as noted in my previous email. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-09 Thread Lindsay Haisley
jumped into back in 1994! -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | - The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-09 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 04:01 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: What goes into an address comment is, or should be, purely informational on a human level, and ignored on a computational level. Unfortunately, we can't depend on that: The operational term

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
and get a reply to the original author. This _should_ be a matter of choice for list admins, even if it seems that they're already overloaded with choices pursuant to addressing the DMARC issue. Until something better comes along, we're just going to have to deal with it. -- Lindsay Haisley

[Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
add a PayPal general customer notifications address of some sort to a list, with nomail set, for the benefit of other list subscribers. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 16:14 -0400, Larry Finch wrote: On May 4, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: $ dig +short -t txt _dmarc.paypal.com v=DMARC1\; p=reject\; rua=mailto:d...@rua.agari.com\; ruf=mailto:d...@bounce.paypal.com,mailto:d...@ruf.agari.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
addresses, specicially to avoid DMARC problems. $ dig +short -t txt _dmarc.paypal-inc.com v=DMARC1\; p=reject\; rua=mailto:d...@rua.agari.com\; ruf=mailto:d...@bounce.paypal.com,mailto:d...@ruf.agari.com; No joy :( -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-05-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 22:25 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 05/01/2014 11:29 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: There may be a problem with being _too_ wordy in explaining it. Yes, and I may have gone there ;) Well I think you've pretty well covered the bases. It may take a bit of study

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-05-02 Thread Lindsay Haisley
included in the Reply-To:, will be appended to any existing Reply-To: address(es). Last sentence added. Is this correct, and reasonable? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http

Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-05-02 Thread Lindsay Haisley
restrictions.) Set bounce_processing to No. This will turn off all bounce processing. To the best of my knowledge, Mailman has no way to tell the difference between bounces caused by DMARC and those caused by other factors, such as user unknown. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC From munging: Keep original sender

2014-05-01 Thread Lindsay Haisley
contains the sender (due to munging) and the list (due to replies going to the list) Is this a known problem? Am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated. This is being addressed in MM 2.1.18, to be released shortly. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-05-01 Thread Lindsay Haisley
with the original From:, or the original Reply-To: is retained and the original From: address is lost. Which is it? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
of the recipient's mail system. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

[Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
that all my list admins will trip on them :( -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 15:18 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: I hear you. It is badly explained and I need to fix it. Thanks for raising this. Mailman is open source software and I use it. It's my job :) -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
: message/rfc822. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
isn't readily available for many MTAs, so this is good. My server uses courier-MTA for which DKIM signing isn't well developed. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

2014-04-30 Thread Lindsay Haisley
that From is aligned with the author's domain, to conform with protocols like DMARC. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman

2014-04-29 Thread Lindsay Haisley
are system administrators' first line of inquiry for most problems. I think a lot of people forget how compulsive Unix-like operating systems are about logging nearly everything that happens, and how useful logs can be when something doesn't work as expected. -- Lindsay Haisley | We have met

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

2014-04-29 Thread Lindsay Haisley
). Pretty sure Hotmail has not set their dmarc record to reject. Where are you seeing this? They don't have to. All they have to do is respect AOL's and Yahoo's DMARC p=reject record and bounce non-aligning email from these ESPs accordingly. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

2014-04-29 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 15:18 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 15:55 -0400, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Large services like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite

[Mailman-Users] Mailman, DMARC and OpenDKIM

2014-04-27 Thread Lindsay Haisley
zdkimfilter) between Mailman and the outgoing SMTP server (courier-MTA) so that outgoing list posts are appropriately signed. I know next to nothing about DKIM, but there was a time when I knew next to nothing about almost everything, so I learn what I have to to make things work :) -- Lindsay Haisley

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, DMARC and OpenDKIM

2014-04-27 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2014-04-27 at 10:34 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/27/2014 10:16 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: My understanding is that DMARC alignment depends on both SPF and DKIM and that if a test using either protocol passes, then a DMARC will pass. This is probably an oversimplification, but I'm

Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail and DMARC

2014-04-25 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to gmail.com addresses for a number of reasons, but this isn't one of them. # grep gmail mail.log|grep [listname]|grep 5\.1\.1 Should I be looking for something else? About 25% of the subscribers on our biggest discussion list are gmail.com subscribers. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works

[Mailman-Users] Gmail and DMARC

2014-04-24 Thread Lindsay Haisley
I don't know if this was the case before, but Gmail is publishing a DMARC record with p=none. I seem to recall that last week the weren't publishing a DMARC record at all, although I might be mistaken. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259

Re: [Mailman-Users] Delivery failure from mailing list

2014-04-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to the mail log. If you're working via cPanel then you obviously don't have administrative access to the system, but surely _someone_ with your hosting service has enough basic Unix/Linux systems knowledge to figure this out in rather short order. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

2014-04-18 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 16:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/17/2014 09:13 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: Someone, maybe it was you, posted on this forum earlier that perhaps 90% or more of spam with a yahoo.com origin (or one of their international DNs) actually _does_ come from Yahoo

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to probably get their attention. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

[Mailman-Users] DMARC and From header munging

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
with the author's address encapsulated within an address @ the list server. Any mail received by the list server for this address would have its address parsed by Mailman and be redirected to the original author's real email address. Would this pass RFC compliance? -- Lindsay Haisley

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and From header munging

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
implemented in the envelope sender address, but a VERP-like encapsulation of the _author's_ email address into a munged From: address. This is something completely different, but uses the same paradigm for address encapsulation as does the current envelope sender VERP. -- Lindsay Haisley

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and From header munging

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 11:29 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/17/2014 11:01 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual, working address for a post's author, while

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and From header munging

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 03:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: Mailman to change the From: address to a VERP-like address with the author's address encapsulated within an address @ the list server. Any mail received by the list server for this address would have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.18 release

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 11:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: dnspython http://www.dnspython.org/ Mark, is this distinct from pydns at http://pydsn.sourceforge.net? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.18 release

2014-04-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
] -- Lindsay Haisley | Real programmers use butterflies FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | - xkcd http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
that subscribers drop their Yahoo accounts in favor of Gmail. What's the story here? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

[Mailman-Users] More mass unsubscriptions

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
bounce processing that would cause the unsubscriptions today rather than on the 13th when the last yahoo.com post was received by the list? Posts that have come to the list today are from: osu.edu sbcglobal.net cyberport.net -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer

Re: [Mailman-Users] More mass unsubscriptions

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 07:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 04/16/2014 07:40 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: This morning at 9 AM CDT one of FMP's lists here saw another mass unsubscription event - 51 subscribers with the usual ESP addresses: hotmail, yahoo, comcast, bellsouth, etc. Checking

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
but they claim the domain is not on a blacklist and problem is not on their end. Our ISP tells us domain is RFC -compliant and problem must be with Bellsouth or Yahoo. How do we resolve this? What is the fix? Help, please... -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Gmail

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
forwarders who add junk in the footer) Simple pass-through forwarding/redirection of email is one of the situations in which SPF fails. Does this in any way impact DMARC? -- Lindsay Haisley | We have met the enemy and he is us. FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | -- Pogo

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

2014-04-16 Thread Lindsay Haisley
of this kerfuffle has probably caught a number of these people by surprise. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, Service Unavailable.

2014-04-15 Thread Lindsay Haisley
users and adding ^.*@yahoo\.com to the ban_list of addresses banned from membership going forward. Should some other ESP start publishing advisory DMARC records then said ESP would need to be added to the ban_list as well. Am I correct in this? -- Lindsay Haisley | UNIX is user-friendly

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, Service Unavailable.

2014-04-15 Thread Lindsay Haisley
indication that they're feeling the heat? -- Lindsay Haisley | SUPPORT NETWORK NEUTRALITY FMP Computer Services | -- 512-259-1190 | Boycott Yahoo, RoadRunner, AOL http://www.fmp.com| and Verison

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, Service Unavailable.

2014-04-14 Thread Lindsay Haisley
here? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, Service Unavailable.

2014-04-14 Thread Lindsay Haisley
gonna break. Corollary: True, but there's always still something you can do with it. -- Lindsay Haisley| The only unchanging Autoharpist, musical entertainer |certainty is the http://www.lindsayhaisley.com | certainty of change 512-259-1190

Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails from yahoo members, are getting rejected by yahoo, Service Unavailable.

2014-04-14 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2014-04-14 at 18:51 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: So what is being said here? When a yahoo poster sends an email to your list, that email is reflected to the rest of the other subscribers. Those other subscribers

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
this? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

2014-04-10 Thread Lindsay Haisley
-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/fmouse%40fmp.com -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribed address that forwards to secondary address can't be identified

2014-04-05 Thread Lindsay Haisley
: If all else fails, and you have the ability, you can enable Mailman's VERP. Then each message from Mailman will have the envelope from and Sender: and Errors-To: headers with the address LISTNAME-bounces-user=example.com@your.domain where u...@example.com is the address sent to. -- Lindsay

Re: [Mailman-Users] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-21 Thread Lindsay Haisley
in the bind9 config). It's also possible that attempts at name resolution hung up Mailman's qrunner. If it won't break, I can't fix it :-S Thanks for your time and attention. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie

[Mailman-Users] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
in the Mailman logs, or in the mail server logs, indicating a problem. This is the first time I've ever had a problem with a server kernel update breaking something related to mail. Has anyone else seen this problem? Does anyone have any insight into how to address it? -- Lindsay Haisley

[Mailman-Users] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
in the Mailman logs, or in the mail server logs, indicating a problem. This is the first time I've ever had a problem with a server kernel update breaking something related to mail. Has anyone else seen this problem? Does anyone have any insight into how to address it? -- Lindsay Haisley

Re: [Mailman-Users] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:37 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 02/20/2014 10:07 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I'm running Mailman 2.1.15 on a Ubuntu server, feeding into Courier MTA, running Python 2.7.3. I track security updates and install them promptly when they're issued by Ubuntu. Yesterday I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
list and see if anyone else is having this or similar problems. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] unable to start Mailman

2013-11-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
considered bad list netiquette, but from a practical point of view, I consider it the more convenient format. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the list moderator to decide these things. With humility and deep respect for everyone -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP

Re: [Mailman-Users] unable to start Mailman

2013-11-05 Thread Lindsay Haisley
-- Lindsay Haisley | We have met the enemy and he is us. FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | -- Pogo http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] unable to start Mailman

2013-11-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
information above and beyond what's reported to stdout or stderr. -- Lindsay Haisley | Real programmers use butterflies FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | - xkcd http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman 3

2013-07-11 Thread Lindsay Haisley
://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node10.html and http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com

[Mailman-Users] Mailman security question

2013-05-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
controls. -- Lindsay Haisley | Behold! Our way lies through a FMP Computer Services |dark wood whence in which 512-259-1190 | weirdness may wallow!” http://www.fmp.com| --Beauregard -- Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman security question

2013-05-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 10:40 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: Is there any support in any version of Mailman for total end to end message security? Not in a distributed version, although as mentioned in another post there's a patch. There's a GSoC proposal

[Mailman-Users] Tangential encryption issue, FWIW

2013-05-06 Thread Lindsay Haisley
and put it into MM3 they have my blessing. Let me know. -- Lindsay Haisley | We have met the enemy and he is us. FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | -- Pogo http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Character Encoding?

2013-03-04 Thread Lindsay Haisley
problem. -- Lindsay Haisley | Never expect the people who caused a problem FMP Computer Services | to solve it. - Albert Einstein 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] ISP policies, specifically AOL

2013-02-10 Thread Lindsay Haisley
I've had some experience dealing with AOL's issues. Their policies and techniques are shared by earthlink and probably a couple of other mail hosting providers. This has been going on for some years, and AOL had been fairly consistent about it. AOL's mail UI contains a Report Spam button, and

[Mailman-Users] A quick couple of questions regarding From, Sender and Gmail

2012-12-10 Thread Lindsay Haisley
to an existing thread or article would be helpful. -- Lindsay Haisley | We are all broken toasters, but we still FMP Computer Services |manage to make toast 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com|- Cheryl Dehut -- Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] A quick couple of questions regarding From, Sender and Gmail

2012-12-10 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Never mind, I found everything I needed. On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 15:41 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I'm trying to reply to a comment from a Mailman list subscriber on a list I manage, and have a couple of questions which someone might be able to answer quickly, or post me a link, much faster

Re: [Mailman-Users] what is a virtual domain?

2012-11-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 22:41 -0800, Thufir wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:56:50 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 19:38 -0800, Thufir wrote: How does a virtual domain differ from a domain? To add to what Mark said, technically a virtual domain is a domain name

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