[Mailman-Users] What to do when hosting providers frequently gets listed on an RBL

2021-06-05 Thread Kenneth Kron
My hosting seems to be permanently banned by Yahoo and today Comcast started bouncing them. I worked on the yahoo problem for a week with tech support and they never seemed to make any progress. Yesterday comcast.net started bouncing with an RBL notice. I’m ready to move

[Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

2019-01-19 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
Over the past several weeks, I have received many reports from Mailman concerning too many bounces from certain subscribers who are normally very active on one of my forums. All of these "Bounce Action Notification"'s appear to be coming from only a very few ISPs, the big one being AOL, altho

[Mailman-Users] Digest mode.

2019-01-19 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
One of my subscribers is complaining that he cannot activate the digest mode for his account. I can find nothing wrong in the admin database. Where should I look for this problem? Ken Gordon -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Nonsubscribers attacking one of my lists.

2019-01-19 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 19 Jan 2019 at 17:08, Richard Damon wrote: > Set the action on Sender Filters for messages from non-members to > discard, instead of hold. I had to do that a long time ago (Don´t > reject or you will be generating back-scatter) OK. I'll try that. I DO get messages from non-subscribers once

[Mailman-Users] Nonsubscribers attacking one of my lists.

2019-01-19 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
One of my forums has suddenly been inundated with posts to the list by non-subscribers, most of which seem to be coming from some homosexual list somewhere. These seem to be coming from every place in the world. I receive notices from Mailman every time I check my e-mail listing of 4 to a doz

Re: [Mailman-Users] Still having trouble with an email filter vis-a-vis Chinese crap.

2018-05-05 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 5 May 2018 at 13:20, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Subject =?utf-8?B? > > Do you really mean it doesn't contain the ':'? I am reasonably sure that SOME do not, possibly those few which are getting through, but since you brought that up (although I DID suspect as much), I have not been able to ch

[Mailman-Users] Still having trouble with an email filter vis-a-vis Chinese crap.

2018-05-05 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
In my mailman Privacy options/Spam filters/Regexps my expression: ^Subject: =\?utf-8\?B\? does NOT appear to work to discard all posts with that expression in the subject line. That traffic always contains this: Subject =?utf-8?B? before all the following garbage. Sometimes that expression b

Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Chinese spam.

2018-04-22 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
Thank you very much for the information below, Mr. Turnbull. Your last line pretty much says it all. I have much to learn yet, and what I am doing now, with the corrections I have received here, will serve in the meantime. Kenneth Gordon On 23 Apr 2018 at 0:54, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote

Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Chinese spam.

2018-04-22 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 22 Apr 2018 at 11:22, Robert Heller wrote: > If you have access to the SMTP server itself, getting qq.com blocked at that > point will help even more than blocking it in Mailman. I kinda don't think I do: I believe that is frontier.com. ;-) And Frontier uses Yahoo's mail server :-( Boo, his

Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Chinese spam.

2018-04-22 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 22 Apr 2018 at 7:55, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/21/2018 10:46 AM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote: > > > > I have modified my settings in Privacy Options/Spam Filters thusly: > > > > ^Subject: =?utf-8?B? > > ^Subject:.*\?{4,} > > from: .*@qq.com > > fr

[Mailman-Users] Filtering Chinese spam.

2018-04-22 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
2016, I have, today, added that second line above. Can someone here tell me what I have NOT done correctly with that first line which makes it NOT work as desired? Kenneth G. Gordon (Age 75) A Tired Old SYSAD. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antiviru

[Mailman-Users] VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd'

2014-01-30 Thread Kenneth Lundström
file I'm using the stock mailman found on CentOS, version 2.1.9. Kenneth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Polic

Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

2008-08-12 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:16 PM -0500 Robert Braver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While the ARF format allows for the inclusion of the entire message that is the subject of the complaint, AOL will be redacting the message. Perhaps the customized part of the message could include the reci

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.2: automatic newaliases from GUI listcreation?

2008-03-25 Thread Kenneth Porter
On Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:07 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This capability already exists for Postfix in Mailman 2.1. The same > functionality can't be directly implemented for Sendmail because of > sendmail's requirements for ownership and permissions of alias files, > bu

Re: [Mailman-Users] corporate spam filter operation

2008-03-21 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Friday, March 21, 2008 8:50 PM -0400 Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there corporate, enterprise spam-killing services that work on a > user-by-user basis, rather than a message-by-message basis? For example, > where the same message, sent to a few different people, might be rej

Re: [Mailman-Users] word "bounces" in from address

2008-03-18 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:40 AM -0700 Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also limited to particular versions of Microsoft Outlook The most recent version? If not, one can simply say "upgrade your client". Either by going to the expensive one or switching to a free one. (I *am* symp

Re: [Mailman-Users] word "bounces" in from address

2008-03-18 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Monday, March 17, 2008 1:20 PM -0400 Nick L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that there is a workaround to remove the word 'bounces" in the from > heading. Just curious, why would someone want to remove "bounces"? Is it a swear word in some languages? -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalising Content

2008-03-17 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Monday, March 17, 2008 5:33 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In addition, Mailman can personalize the To: header of the message. > > See > > for information about personalization options. The use of the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam backscatter: Which aliases to remove

2008-03-17 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Monday, March 17, 2008 6:53 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 'join' and 'leave' are synonyms for 'subscribe' and 'unsubscribe'. Jo > Rhett would say you don't need any of these because nearly everyone > uses the web. He might also say you don't need/want 'request' and > 'con

[Mailman-Users] Spam backscatter: Which aliases to remove

2008-03-17 Thread Kenneth Porter
I want to remove aliases from my mailman installation to avoid spam backscatter. Which aliases do I absolutely need? Here's a list from mm-handler: @ValidActions = qw(admin bounces confirm join leave owner request subscribe unsubscribe); --

Re: [Mailman-Users] minimizing spam addresses on web site

2008-03-10 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Monday, March 10, 2008 9:23 AM -0400 Chuck Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A couple days ago I saw a post on the dev list about backscatter spam and > also found a thread about someone's attempt at changing the -owner > address, that didn't appear to be successful. That and the further

[Mailman-Users] error setting up web interface

2007-12-07 Thread Kenneth Hirsh
All, I had to move my Mailman installation to another server. The mailing lists are functioning. I am having trouble with bringing up the web management interface. The brwoser reportes a bug in Mailman. Here is the entry from the Apache error log. Can anyone give me some suggestions? Ken Hi

Re: [Mailman-Users] OT: Firefox Crashing on Admin Pages

2007-02-04 Thread Kenneth Jacker
Hank: Just thought I'd let you know that recent updates to Firefox and extensions (and maybe something else) solved the problem of FF crashing on Mm admin pages. I can again access those pages without problems ... Thanks for your ideas to fix it as well! -Ke

Re: [Mailman-Users] OT: Firefox Crashing on Admin Pages

2007-01-18 Thread Kenneth Jacker
jwb> Did you install a new plugin (or update one) about the time the jwb> problem started? No. -Kenneth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ

Re: [Mailman-Users] OT: Firefox Crashing on Admin Pages

2007-01-16 Thread Kenneth Jacker
I appreciate both Mark and Barry's informative and prompt replies. Let me do a little more investigating ... maybe there's some conflict with one of my FF plugins ... Thanks for the help, -Kenneth -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mai

[Mailman-Users] OT: Firefox Crashing on Admin Pages

2007-01-15 Thread Kenneth Jacker
leged "work arounds" (removing certain files, not using retained passwords, etc.), but it still won't work. Anyone else seeing this? Is there a *real* "fix"? Thanks for any help, -Kenneth -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science Dept ww

Re: [Mailman-Users] Added email address to "posters" in list config, but user's email must be approved each time, why?

2006-06-05 Thread Kenneth A. Wolcott
Kenneth A. Wolcott wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Kenneth A. Wolcott wrote: >> >> >>> I added a user's email address to the "posters" variable in the >>> specific list config file, but still the user's email must be a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Added email address to "posters" in list config, but user's email must be approved each time, why?

2006-06-02 Thread Kenneth A. Wolcott
Mark Sapiro wrote: > Kenneth A. Wolcott wrote: > >> I added a user's email address to the "posters" variable in the >> specific list config file, but still the user's email must be approved >> each time. >> > > > Did you add the

[Mailman-Users] Added email address to "posters" in list config, but user's email must be approved each time, why?

2006-06-02 Thread Kenneth A. Wolcott
sting) virtual user who was in the posters variable in the config file, but was not a subscriber. I wanted to add a new virtual user. Mailman version 2.0.13 on Linux Thanks, Kenneth A. Wolcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailin

[Mailman-Users] problems getting installing

2005-03-24 Thread Kenneth Sunshine
I ham having problems getting mailman too work with sendmail. When I go to my web server and try to create a list I get an error. Am not sure what this means. I am not sure what this means. Have been trying to get postfix running but can't get it to send or receive mail. Any help would be much a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives, the "Forbidden Zone"

2004-11-21 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:25 AM -0800 Nathan Fiedler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So does anyone understand the audit error messages? I suppose that has something to do with SELinux being enabled on this system, but I know next to nothing about it. That'd be my guess. You could try asking on

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives, the "Forbidden Zone"

2004-11-21 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:11 AM -0800 Nathan Fiedler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have found nothing that can explain why I continue to see the 403 Forbidden error. Anything interesting in /var/log/httpd or /var/log/messages? Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Are there s

RE: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman

2004-11-20 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:45 PM -0500 Matthew Saltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Haven't actually tried it, but won't rpm complain about the missing python-devel package when you attempt to install the SRPM? Seems like that would be what dependencies in SRPMs are for. No, build prerequ

RE: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman

2004-11-20 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:08 AM -0800 greg deputy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm relatively new to linux, and I've found some things are easier installed as a package and others from source. This is just my personal perception, of course. I generally try to install from source first,

RE: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman

2004-11-20 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:11 AM -0500 Matthew Saltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you can't install the source RPM for rebuilding without the python-devel 2.2 package. Quibble: You can't *build* the source RPM without the devel package. You can install it, which basically amounts to unp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman on Fedora Core 2?

2004-11-19 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:40 PM -0800 Greg Deputy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone successfully installed Mailman on Fedora Core 2? I've been trying on and off for the last few weeks, without success. Looking through the mailling list archives I've seen several threads on problem

Re: [Mailman-Users] Will MailMan do all this?

2004-11-10 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:49 PM + Clare Redstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can MailMan do this and can a novice set it up? It lacks the search feature. I believe everything else is there. What's a novice? Depends on how well he can follow the written instructions. -

[Mailman-Users] Administrivia boilerplate

2004-11-03 Thread Kenneth Porter
Does anyone have some good boilerplate to use in a welcome message or a periodic reminder to cover some of the common newbie mistakes? I'm thinking of issues like hijacking threads, which a lot of new list users don't understand, and use of the List-Id header for filtering. (Esp. for Outlook Ex

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spoofed Addresses

2004-10-29 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Friday, October 29, 2004 8:24 PM -0400 David Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Part of asking the question was to learn whether mailman has any ability to verify addresses I expect the biggest problem to be mobile users who post from multiple IP addresses. I'm somewhat bleeding edge ;) for

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spoofed Addresses

2004-10-29 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Friday, October 29, 2004 5:33 PM -0400 David Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The other one spoofed a valid subscriber's address, so mailman accepted it and sent copies to all subscribers. How do you know it's spoofed? How would mailman know?

[Mailman-Users] per-user subject prefix

2004-10-27 Thread Kenneth Porter
Is there a way to enable/disable subject prefix (like the "[mailman-users]" on this list) on a per-user basis? I like NOT having the prefix, as it reduces the available space for content in the subject. But I get users using web-based mail readers and those who can't use their client's filters

Re: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
Hmm, the item in the FAQ doesn't apply, as the request.pck is there for my 3 lists. But I've only received one of these notifications for each list, so perhaps it fixes itself after one occurrence. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:13 AM -0700 "K. Clair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-August/017120.html Thanks and Doh! Somehow I missed that when searching Gmane. -- Mailman-Users mailin

[Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

2004-10-14 Thread Kenneth Porter
I keep getting "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" from the lists I've just created on a fresh 2.1.5 installation on Fedora Core 2. Any idea what these mean? (I've dealt with moderator requests before on a 2.0 installation. I've just never seen the "-1" before.) ---

[Mailman-Users] Forcing All Admin Pages to SSL

2004-08-20 Thread Kenneth Jacker
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman' to, DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman' in "mm_cfg.py", but this isn't giving me the behavior I want. Anyone know if this is possible (short of a "recursive grep" on all the Mailman pages!)?

[Mailman-Users] Re: Membership List - Listing All

2003-09-05 Thread Kenneth Jacker
jonc> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 22:11, Kenneth Jacker wrote: >> (Mailman-2.1b3+) >> >> I must be really stupid! Though I've used regexprs for years, I >> can't seem to create one that will show *all* members. I thought >> that ".*"

[Mailman-Users] Membership List - Listing All

2003-09-04 Thread Kenneth Jacker
n, sometimes I go to the membership page and see only one member. Why I don't know (I haven't explicitly requested a sub-set). So, I'm trying to get the entire list displayed again. I searched the WWW, but I didn't find :-( Thanks for any help, -- Prof Kenneth

[Mailman-Users] Two Machines - email addr & web pages

2003-07-27 Thread Kenneth Jacker
l from [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... this might be a beginning. But having tried similar things with 'majordomo' some years ago, I know it is more complex and tricky. Thanks for your help, ideas, and references! -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp

[Mailman-Users] export addresses

2003-07-16 Thread kenneth campbell
Hello, I am using Mailman 2.0.13 and wish to know if and how can I export subscribers e-mail addresses? -- Kenneth Campbell Systems Administrator SAU #1 - Contoocook Valley School District (ConVal) Peterborough, NH 03458

[Mailman-Users] approving / editing messages in the administrativedatabase queue

2003-05-29 Thread Kenneth Bruyninckx
then stripped of almost ALL headers in the body except for Subject and Date and it appears as if I am the author then because the original From: address in the body is gone AND is not "re-used" as it would be under Majordomo :-( :-( Is there a fix for this ? What am I missing ? kind rega

Re: [Mailman-Users] archive path

2003-03-25 Thread kenneth
Richard, I tried this also before I posted my question to the list, but to no avail... What could I be doing wrong ? Kenneth. > At 07:24 25/03/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >I have a setup using Mailman 2.1 and have the following situation

[Mailman-Users] date header missing in digest

2003-03-24 Thread kenneth
add this ? It is rather stupid because if I accidentely sort my mailbox on date then all digests are either on top or all at the bottom of the list, making an overview impossible. kind regards, Kenneth. PS: if anybody knows where and how I could add 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset

[Mailman-Users] archive path

2003-03-24 Thread kenneth
d not the the "list domain". How do I fix this ? I tried modifying mm_cfg.py to no avail as I only seem to break the program. kind regards, Kenneth. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

[Mailman-Users] date header missing in digest

2003-02-04 Thread kenneth
;Date: Tue..." go ? What do I need to change to get it ? kind regards, Kenneth. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searcha

[Mailman-Users] pipermail archive + order by date

2003-02-04 Thread kenneth
) ? At the moment my archives are pretty jumbled, with mails being added halfway (and I'm not refering to the answers to threads), other being added at the end etc. Would another archiving program handle this correctly ? kind regards, Ke

[Mailman-Users] digest + character encoding

2003-01-29 Thread kenneth
ge 2) message 6: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:24:33 -0600 message 7: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:44:09 EST Sort order using thread: 1 3 7 4 2 5 6 Sort order using date: 1 5 3 7 4 2 6 Any ideas ? And, how and where do I fix this ? kind regards, Kenneth. -

[Mailman-Users] increase digest number ?

2003-01-26 Thread kenneth
to do this ? Is sending a message and generating a digest (from the web interface) my only hope ? And if so, how do I remove these "filler" messages from the archives ? Which files to delete and where ? kind regards, Kenneth. -

[Mailman-Users] 2.1b3+/CVS --> 2.1 Upgrade

2003-01-02 Thread Kenneth Jacker
Most of the "upgrading" suggestions relate to previous, non-CVS releases. Any different/special procedures/"gotchas" to be aware of when upgrading from a CVS (2.1b3+) distribution? Thanks, -Kenneth -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] C

[Mailman-Users] Re: Domain is rewritten

2002-09-02 Thread Kenneth Jacker
on, no? fredrik> So I could need a hint to where to dig. Me too! -Kenneth -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.p

[Mailman-Users] Re: /var/log/mailman files

2002-08-27 Thread Kenneth Jacker
Mike's suggested "/etc/logrotate.d/mailman" contents is apparently just what I needed! Thanks to him and all the others that responded ... -Kenneth -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/m

[Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files

2002-08-27 Thread Kenneth Jacker
, most are of zero length and many have the same date/time. Are these names normal? What do all the digits signify? I checked the docs and did some searching, but couldn't find an answer. Thanks, -Kenneth -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science

[Mailman-Users] archive and digest double-byte messages

2001-06-03 Thread Kenneth Tang
, Japanese and Korean? TIA Kenneth Tang -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[Mailman-Users] Re: Prohibiting Local Access to Archives

2001-05-01 Thread Kenneth Jacker
Just a quick note to thank all of those who replied to my query. A lot of good ideas! Once I get through final exams, I'll try your suggestions. In addition, I'll send a summary to the mailing list. Thanks again, -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Sc

[Mailman-Users] Prohibiting Local Access to Archives

2001-04-27 Thread Kenneth Jacker
w are my previous postings. Thanks for any help! -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA |Subject: Not Allowing Local Archive Access |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Date: 29 Dec 2000 13:

[Mailman-Users] Truly Private Archives

2001-02-05 Thread Kenneth Jacker
s -- simply 'cd' to one of the "archives" sub-dirs and "read away". What if the permissions of /usr/local/etc/mailman (~mailman) are set to: drwxrws--- mailman mailman instead of the current: drwxrwsr-x mailman mailman ? Wil

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings.

2001-01-18 Thread Kenneth Irving
eply message) non-member email. In fact I'm moderating a list in which this feature would be desirable. best regards Kenneth -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] Re: config_list

2000-12-31 Thread Kenneth Jacker
marc> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Kenneth Jacker marc> wrote: >> I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's >> configuration to a new list BETA. Is this the recommended >> procedure? >> >> >

[Mailman-Users] Not Allowing Local Archive Access

2000-12-30 Thread Kenneth Jacker
r--'. What do I do to make certain list archives *unreadable* locally? Thanks, -Kenneth -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

[Mailman-Users] config_list

2000-12-26 Thread Kenneth Jacker
in "config.BETA" to "BETA" 4) bin/newlist BETA 5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA Thanks for your ideas, -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu