Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Adam McGreggor writes: As others have said, if an autoresponder is responding repeatedly to the same address in the course of a few days it is certainly behaving badly. Lotus Notes and Exchange autoresponders should not be allowed near the Internet. I'd rewrite that last

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-08-01 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Jun 28, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Karl Zander wrote: This particular autoresponder is not known to be broken. It's a bit dated, but I have a rant about broken autoresponder here: http://goldmark.org/netrants/auto-resp/ As others have said, if an autoresponder is responding repeatedly to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-08-01 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 03:43:40PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On Jun 28, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Karl Zander wrote: This particular autoresponder is not known to be broken. It's a bit dated, but I have a rant about broken autoresponder here: http://goldmark.org/netrants/auto-resp/ That's

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:27:22 -0500 Grant Taylor gtay...@riverviewtech.net wrote: Hello Grant, OoO auto responders usually reply to the From: (header) address of messages as they have on concept of the SMTP envelope sender. So if Like Matthias, I ban users that use auto-responders. No

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Grant Taylor
Brad Rogers wrote: Hello Grant, Hi. Like Matthias, I ban users that use auto-responders. No amount of begging, apologising or offering me money(0) has, so far, got any of the offenders back on my lists. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with you about banning people. Rather I was

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Karl Zander wrote: Is there something specific Mailman is looking for to detect autoreponders, like Out of Office messages? We had an incident this weekend with an autoresponder sending an out of office message over and over and overto a list. This

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Karl Zander
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:15:11 -0700 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: As far as posting to a list is concerned, Mailman is looking for an X-BeenThere: header with the list address. It does look at a Precedence: header and will not process commands from or autorespond to Precedence 'bulk',

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/29/2009 8:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Can anybody find a reference for the semantics of X-Autogenerated? I'd be willing to add a rule for this but I'd need to find a reference. Take a look at section 5, The Auto-Submitted header field of RFC 3834.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Grant Taylor
(Sorry, forgot to include this.) On 6/29/2009 8:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: If it's replying to message with a Precedence: header (and any value) it's broken. You may want to take a look at section 3.9, Quality information of RFC 2076 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2076.txt). Grant. .

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 6/29/2009 8:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Can anybody find a reference for the semantics of X-Autogenerated? I'd be willing to add a rule for this but I'd need to find a reference. Take a look at section 5, The Auto-Submitted header field

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: (Sorry, forgot to include this.) On 6/29/2009 8:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: If it's replying to message with a Precedence: header (and any value) it's broken. You may want to take a look at section 3.9, Quality information of RFC 2076

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/29/2009 8:51 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Thanks. You are welcome. Most things are documented if you know where to look. ;) Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: (Sorry, forgot to include this.) On 6/29/2009 8:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: If it's replying to message with a Precedence: header (and any value) it's broken. You may want to take a look at section

[Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-28 Thread Karl Zander
Is there something specific Mailman is looking for to detect autoreponders, like Out of Office messages? We had an incident this weekend with an autoresponder sending an out of office message over and over and overto a list. This particular autoresponder is not known to be broken. Its

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Karl Zander wrote: Is there something specific Mailman is looking for to detect autoreponders, like Out of Office messages? We had an incident this weekend with an autoresponder sending an out of office message over and over and overto a list. [...] But I am not sure what Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-28 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/28/2009 8:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I would say the autoresponder is broken if it is responding repeatedly to the same address on behalf of the same recipient. I would also say it's broken it it responds to the list for an individual message (not a digest) unless the list is anonymous and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Detecting Autoresponders

2009-06-28 Thread Matthias Schmidt
Am/On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:27:22 -0500 schrieb/wrote Grant Taylor: On 6/28/2009 8:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I would say the autoresponder is broken if it is responding repeatedly to the same address on behalf of the same recipient. I would also say it's broken it it responds to the list for