John Fitzsimons wrote:
There appears to be a problem here. I get an error. Here is what
happened..
C:\mailman-subscribers.py -c http://domain listname_domain
password
That is not correct. The first argument is just the host name (domain)
without any http://
The filename, directory name, or
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:57:44 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
There appears to be a problem here. I get an error. Here is what
happened..
C:\mailman-subscribers.py -c http://domain listname_domain
password
That is not correct. The first argument is just the host name (domain)
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Mark,
snip
You can use
something like Jim T's and my mailman-subscribers.py script[1] to
screen scrape the web admin Membership List and make a .csv file of
the membership together with those options except
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
John Fitzsimons writes:
This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was
apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by
Gmane to the list.
Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it
accepts the
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mark Sapiro writes:
This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the
NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post -
no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers.
Are you sure? The way I read
Received:
Mark Sapiro writes:
Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it
accepts the post.
I'm not sure what you're asking,
I think what John wants to happen is the following. Whether it actually
works this way or not, I don't know, but I think it might.
- User
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:
I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can
delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster
has somehow made the directory invisible ?
Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in your hosting area.
Geoff Shang wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:
I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can
delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster
has somehow made the directory invisible ?
Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote:
I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can
delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster
has somehow made the directory invisible ?
Sorry. I missed the above query.
Geoff Shang wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some
other limitation, you chould be able to find them.
But presumably not delete them.
Presumably not, but it wouldn't be the first time that people had
permission
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:42:25 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mark Sapiro writes:
snip
Eventually, we'll find out if it works. I suspect it does,
Preliminary testing suggests that it IS working.
I do too, because larsi is not an idiot. I have to imagine that like
99% of messages that
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:20 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Geoff Shang wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some
other limitation, you chould be able to find them.
But presumably not delete them.
Presumably not, but it
John Fitzsimons wrote:
But this does lead me to think of a few more questions. If I closed
my mailing list then wouldn't all the Mailman archive files be
deleted ?
That's a cPanel question. In standard Mailman, whether you remove a
list from the command line with bin/rmlist or via the rmlist
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
If I did that then I could presumably start the list again. Identical
to the previous list. But with archiving turned off from the
beginning ?
The drawback is all user options/passwords/etc. get lost.
Yes,
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of
passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription.
I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman
list is important.
If I un subscribed them, then re-subscribed them,
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of
passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription.
I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman
list is important.
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
The script is not a screen scraper in that sense. It accesses the
list's admin Membership Management... - Membership List pages and
parses them to get the data.
Via my browser, or via an FTP logon ? I am using a
On Thursday 21 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The only control you have is to use Mailman filters on incoming posts.
Until somebody tells us what headers Gmane provides to identify
itself, we can only guess at what might work.
X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
Seems to be the
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
John Fitzsimons writes:
Hi Stephen,
snip
Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing
lists. Mailman's Mail-News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your
ISP has configured it; Gmane can't do that for you.
On Jan 21, 2010, at 02:26 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
I am not sure whether you could get/see the source code for either of
these BUT in any case they might give you a few ideas. Even though not
exactly what we have been discussing.
William Bagwell writes:
On Thursday 21 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The only control you have is to use Mailman filters on incoming posts.
Until somebody tells us what headers Gmane provides to identify
itself, we can only guess at what might work.
X-Injected-Via-Gmane:
John Fitzsimons writes:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
John Fitzsimons writes:
Hi Stephen,
snip
Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing
lists. Mailman's Mail-News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your
ISP
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing
lists. Mailman's Mail-News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your
ISP has configured it; Gmane can't do that for you.
Well, I configured
appreciative Mailman/Gmane users.
Regards, John.
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On Wednesday 20 January 2010, William Bagwell wrote:
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Private archive file not found
It translates to
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/myma
il inglist.mbox
where mydomain is
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:29:50 -0500, William Bagwell wrote:
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, William Bagwell wrote:
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
It translates to
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/myma
il
John Fitzsimons wrote:
If I do what you did above and use ..
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox
I get No such list mymailinglist.
As I have tried to say before,
where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list
name of the
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Could you please clarify those words ? *If* Gmane is in the Sender
header. The sender header appears to be the list address.
This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the
NNTP
William Bagwell wrote:
Tried your 'corrected' link in a diffrent browser, got the authentication
page, logged in with user name and password and promptly got the Private
archive file not found error again. Looked at the URL and it was now
missing the first .mbox. Opened a new tab, pasted in
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:09:20 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
If I do what you did above and use ..
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox
I get No such list mymailinglist.
As I have tried to say before,
where mydomain is your host name and
John Fitzsimons wrote:
(4) I now put the following address in...
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist_mydomain/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox
and get...
Private archive file not found
I don't know why this is so hard, but the URL is
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:10 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Mark,
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Could you please clarify those words ? *If* Gmane is in the Sender
header. The sender header appears to be the list address.
This is all
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:21:49 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
I don't know why this is so hard, but the URL is
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox
Try that one.
Worked perfectly ! Thank you. Is this all you need ?
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:10 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the
NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post -
no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers.
Actually, that is
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Worked perfectly ! Thank you. Is this all you need ?
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:17:32 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Mark,
snip
This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was
apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by
Gmane to the list.
Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the
Mark Sapiro wrote:
This is a Mailman bug.
[...]
I fixed that, but the fix didn't take into account the .mbox URLs,
hence the bug that you see, and you have to log in first, then go to
the correct URL.
I have committed a fix for this and updated the original bug report at
Mark Sapiro writes:
This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the
NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post -
no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers.
Are you sure? The way I read
Received: from lo.gmane.org
-
Gmane, and the Gmane - Mailman stages.
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:35:32 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Barry,
snip
Hey, if there's stuff we can steal or integrate with, all the better! I have
a saying: the best bass amp there is, is the one you don't have to bring. :)
I am not
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ?
I think you are in the best position to answer that.
(1) Is it simply an email, with Gmane as the sender ? With no mention
of the newsgroup poster in any of the headers ?
I assume it is an email unless
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:42:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ?
I think you are in the best position to answer that.
Er. No. I don't. I don't have root access to my hosted server, and
have no idea where my Mailman
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:42:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ?
I think you are in the best position to answer that.
Er. No. I don't. I don't have root access to my hosted server, and
have
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:06 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Mark,
snip
I think you can see a full, raw message from Gmane if your list has
archives. For a cPanel list x...@example.com, you would go to
John Fitzsimons wrote:
If I try your address I think it would translate to..
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox
I then get..
xxmailinglist Private Archives Authentication
Then...
Private archive file not found
It translates to
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Private archive file not found
It translates to
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymail
inglist.mbox
where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list
name of the
William Bagwell wrote:
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
It translates to
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox
where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list
name of the form listname_mydomain. Note that
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:21 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
If I try your address I think it would translate to..
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox
I then get..
xxmailinglist Private Archives Authentication
Then...
Private
John Fitzsimons wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:21 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
If I try your address I think it would translate to..
http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox
I then get..
xxmailinglist Private Archives Authentication
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:47:09 -0500, Terri Oda wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Terri,
I have also contributed to public, and private, newsgroup servers for
more than ten years now. However, I am not a unix expert and I do
not have root access to a unix server.
Incidentally, if the
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:12:08 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
John Fitzsimons wrote:
snip
In other words, does anyone here know whether the Gmane subscription
is needed ?
Presumably it is needed if you are gatewaing from Mailman to Gmane
because that's how messages get to Gmane from Mailman.
John Fitzsimons writes:
Well, has anyone here with a Gmane newsgroup deleted the Gmane email
subscription and seen whether Mailman's Mail-News gateway sends
messages in both directions okay ?
Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing
lists. Mailman's Mail-News
I am hoping that someone here has an account with Gmane.
This is what I did.
Doing beta testing. I posted to my newsgroup from an address that
is NOT on my mailing list.
I then got the Gmane Authorization required email which starts..
This is a non-public mailing list, which means that you
John Fitzsimons writes:
Then I got the next Gmane email...
You are now authorized to post to the
xx newsgroup. etc.
I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post
forwarded to the newsgroup.
Can anyone here suggest where the problem may be
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:57:33 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
John Fitzsimons writes:
Hi Stephen,
Then I got the next Gmane email...
You are now authorized to post to the
xx newsgroup. etc.
I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post
John Fitzsimons writes:
List membership is easy to spoof anyway.
Umm. I was beginning to wonder about that. I am familiar with usenet
spoofing but hadn't thought deeply enough about that situation in
email. :-(
If I understand you correctly then anyone can post to any
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:14 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
It is a pity that nobody in the open source community is interested in
creating an NNTP server that someone, who isn't a unix expert, could
install on a hosted web site. :-(
I wouldn't say no one is interested, but there doesn't seem to be
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:57:33 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
John Fitzsimons writes:
snip
I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post
forwarded to the newsgroup.
Can anyone here suggest where the problem may be please ?
List membership is easy to spoof anyway.
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:23:17 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:14 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Barry,
It is a pity that nobody in the open source community is interested in
creating an NNTP server that someone, who isn't a unix expert, could
install on a hosted web site. :-(
On 1/19/2010 8:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
If you mean that Mailman could provide NNTP access to it's message
store then that would be great !!!
Here's the catch- mailman is a mailing list manager (or remailer, if you
prefer), not a message storage system, so it doesn't -have- a persistent
On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Barry,
Hi John,
Yes, but there are resources for people to create web forums.
Resources for people to create emailers. Resources for people to
create bloggs etc.
I mean people to hack code. :)
I like Gmane personally, but I really want
On Jan 19, 2010, at 08:23 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
On 1/19/2010 8:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
If you mean that Mailman could provide NNTP access to it's message
store then that would be great !!!
Here's the catch- mailman is a mailing list manager (or remailer, if you
prefer), not a message
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:35:32 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:
Hi Barry,
Yes, but there are resources for people to create web forums.
Resources for people to create emailers. Resources for people to
create bloggs etc.
I mean people to hack code.
John Fitzsimons wrote:
I have also contributed to public, and private, newsgroup servers for
more than ten years now. However, I am not a unix expert and I do
not have root access to a unix server.
Incidentally, if the problem is just one of access to a unix machine,
the Systers group had
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