Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-18 Thread Richard Shetron
I had a customer with that problem. We ended up using individual emails and adding the email address to the footer. I don't remember the field, something user or user- something. I had a program to scan those reports for the tag and provide the list of addresses to the list manager. I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/17/2016 01:21 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > With > AOL it is difficult as they remove the original email address who is > complaining, Hotmail is OK and now Yahoo reports get sent to me > directly. AOL's redaction is both overkill and ineffective if you use VERP. I.e, with VERP, the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hi, I would work with the provider in this situation. In my case I run several lists which are all opt-in, but people click on the report as spam button in Yahoo and AOL, causing issues. I have an agreement with the hosting provider who run the network that if they get any complaints from

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory
Thank you Rich, I do not subscribe anyone without making them first go through the subscribe process. The problem we're having lately is the ISP's are not passing on the confirmation email, so in a couple cases lately, after confirming the user tried the process (by their word is all I got) I do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory
I was using the term List-serv as a generic term meaning a mailing list people subscribe to in order to receive messages sent by members via email. I am not aware, nor care to be aware, of technical definitions between Mailman and Listserv. I am a volunteer so those concerns are above my pay

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Richard Damon
On 6/16/16 7:04 PM, Jim Dory wrote: So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts? /jim On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Jim Dory wrote: We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Rich Kulawiec
I'll second the suggestion that you split the list. I'll also suggest that you do *not* subscribe anyone to the split-off instance: you should make them go through a COI (confirmed opt-in) process AND you should make certain that you retain all records of that as long as the list exists.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/16/2016 04:04 PM, Jim Dory wrote: > So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts? If you're looking for listserv(r), you're in the wrong place. See . To address your actual issue, the problem is your list members are reporting

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam, abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory
Thanks for replies! I've discovered the Mailman document dealing with this issue: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/All%20messages%20from%20my%20list%20are%20being%20rejected%20by%20AOL%20%28or%20hotmail%2C%20or%20Yahoo%21%20or%20Google%20Gmail-googlemail%2C%20etc...%29%20as%20spam%2C and apologies for

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam, abuse

2016-06-17 Thread John
On 6/17/16 9:21 AM, Jim Dory wrote: > We have mounting complaints from AOL, >> Yahoo and Hotmail I think that says it all... I have regular issues with the free email services, requiring email exchanges with their IT groups. Every time they tighten the SPAM/UCE rules, all hell breaks loose. :-/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Ohlstein
Hello Jim, I'm not sure what they mean by cross promotion, but you may want to separate your list into a public service announcement list and one for sales/trades/etc. I can help you find alternate hosting if you like. Feel free to contact me off list. Jim Ohlstein > On Jun 16, 2016, at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory
So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts? /jim On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Jim Dory wrote: > We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements > with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our police and city use it > for public

[Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

2016-06-17 Thread Jim Dory
We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our police and city use it for public service announcements, people use it for selling/trading virtually anything (seal oil, outboards, guns, blue berries, you name it) and is by