Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Richard Johnson]

Actually, my list is setup to send all digests in text format.  I was toying 
with the idea of sending in MIME format. Maybe that would be better?

But it sounds as if you're saying that a user can specify that they want MIME 
instead of there configured version, somewhere in their personal config?


/raj
(sent from iPhone)


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 06:48 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>> This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of 
>> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the 
>> messages one after the other.
>> 
>> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're 
>> doing something to it?
> 
> 
> That has nothing to do with it. There are two digest formats.
> 
> Plain text is a digest with all non-plain text parts stored aside and
> replaced by links and flattened into a single plain text message.
> 
> MIME format is a multipart digest with each original message in its own
> sub-part.
> 
> Your user who gets 'attachments' has elected to receive MIME digests.
> You can see this on the user's options page or the admin membership list
> pages.
> 
> Whether a MIME digest is rendered with the message parts inline, only as
> attachments or not at all is a function of the mail client reading the
> message.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/02/2016 11:23 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
> Actually, my list is setup to send all digests in text format.  I was toying 
> with the idea of sending in MIME format. Maybe that would be better?


I assume you mean that Digest options -> mime_is_default_digest is set
to Plain, but that only sets the default for new subscribers. It's a
user option and any user can change her setting.

Also, if you change it to MIME, that only affects people who subscribe
after the change. It doesn't change any current members.


> But it sounds as if you're saying that a user can specify that they want MIME 
> instead of there configured version, somewhere in their personal config?


Yes. The user can set it on her options page - "Get MIME or Plain Text
Digests?" and the admin can set it for a user with the 'plain' checkbox
on the Membership Management... -> Membership List pages (unchecked = MIME)

I think MIME digests are better. They have several advantages IF (and
it's upper case IF on purpose) the user's mail client deals well with
the format. Mobile phone apps as a class are generally quite bad at
dealing with MIME digests as are some web mail apps.

Each user needs to decide for herself which is preferred based on the
client(s) she uses.

Personally, I set digest mode to MIME on those few lists I subscribe to
in digest form, and I just don't try to read them on my phone or just
read the TOC and maybe delete the digest as uninteresting. If I want to
read and possibly reply to a message in the digest, I use a real MUA on
a real computer.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[William Bagwell]

On Friday 02 September 2016, Richard Johnson wrote:
> This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of
> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the
> messages one after the other.
>
> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're
> doing something to it?

Remote possibility is the users mail reader is bursting digests back to 
individual messages. These will have minimal headers, look different and 
might be mistaken for attachments. Forte Agent defaults to this behavior. 
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[Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving new messages

[Beu, Ed (DOA)]

Hi,

The few lists that I have 'imported' mail from Thunderbird into Mailman 
archives will not archive new messages.

I have imported all the messages again, and I have imported one message at a 
time - then I've run the following command:

/bin/arch -wipe listname

I've have also run: bin/arch listname 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox

After doing so, new messages sent to the list are not archived and do not show 
up in the mbox file.


We're running Mailman v2.1.12 on Centos 6.7 and using Postfix 2.6.6..

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

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[Mailman-Users] Strange error log entries?

[Caesar Samsi]

Hi there,

I see the following entries in errors log file:

Aug 29 22:38:29 2016 (31253) confirm: No such list "seattlegigs": 
Aug 31 03:51:19 2016 (15369) admin: No such list "images": 

Sep 01 12:11:59 2016 (1420) confirm: No such list "seattlegigs": 
Sep 03 07:47:55 2016 (26274) admin: No such list "images”: 

Where is it coming from? and how can I fix them?

version 2.1.23

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions

[Andre de Azevedo Cunha]

Hi, 

i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE.  

I configured my Hold.py was described bellow:

replaced

 hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
_  
MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size))

with

 rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)
_ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_

The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about
that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? 

Thanks, 

André 

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What
>is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by
>updates?

There are two ways to proceed.

You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting
it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified
version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade.

A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited
version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the
base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting

GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold'

in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also
to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after
the lines

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel')

in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel')

to

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel')

I recommend the former as in

#
# Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered
# message.
#
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel')
#
# Replace Hold with local version
#
GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold'

Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive.

>Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such
>as implicit destination?

>On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size
>> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with
>> the lines
>>
>>
>> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size:
>> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
>>   MessageTooBig(bodylen,
>> mlist.max_message_size))
>> # no return
>>
>> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace
>>
>> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
>>   MessageTooBig(bodylen,
>> mlist.max_message_size))
>>
>> with
>>
>> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
>> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice
>>
>> to reject the message or with
>>
>> raise Errors.DiscardMessage
>>
>> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's
>> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put
>>
>> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard
>>
>> with the other imports near the beginning of the
>> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with
>>
>> do_discard(mlist, msg)

Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py.

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[Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Hello,

I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
dnsphyton.
Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
/var/mailman
Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: No module named Mailman

All what I found on google is more about Linux installations …

So I guess I’m missing something here.

Thanks for help
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/02/2016 01:45 PM, Andre de Azevedo Cunha wrote:
> 
> i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE.  
> 
> I configured my Hold.py was described bellow:
> 
> replaced
> 
>  hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
> _  
> MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size))
> 
> with
> 
>  rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)
> _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_
> 
> The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about
> that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? 


Logging for rejected messages was added in 2.1.16. See
. Prior to that, there
won't be a vette log entry.

I don't know why there isn't a notice to the user. Is there anything in
Mailman's error log?

As a test, add some nonmember address to the list's
reject_these_nonmembers and send a post from that address. Does that
receive a rejection notice?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving new messages

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/02/2016 03:31 PM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote:
> 
> The few lists that I have 'imported' mail from Thunderbird into Mailman 
> archives will not archive new messages.


I suspect a permissions issue on archives/private/LIST.mbox/LIST.mbox,
but there should be errors and tracebacks in mailman's error log and
shunted messages in the shunt queue. If you have the RedHat package,
these are /var/log/mailman/error and /var/spool/mailman/shunt respectively.

If you can't figure out what the problem is from the error log, post the
info here. Once you have fixed the problem you can run unshunt
(/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt) to archive the shunted messages, but
first you may want to examine them with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/show_qfiles
to ensure that all of them should be unshunted and there are none from
older, unrelated errors.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange error log entries?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/03/2016 11:07 AM, Caesar Samsi wrote:
> 
> I see the following entries in errors log file:
> 
> Aug 29 22:38:29 2016 (31253) confirm: No such list "seattlegigs": 
> Aug 31 03:51:19 2016 (15369) admin: No such list "images": 
> 
> Sep 01 12:11:59 2016 (1420) confirm: No such list "seattlegigs": 
> Sep 03 07:47:55 2016 (26274) admin: No such list "images”: 
> 
> Where is it coming from? and how can I fix them?


It's coming from the world wide web. Anyone in the world can go to a url
like http://your.list.domain/mailman/admin/images or
http://your.list.domain/mailman/confirm/seattlegigs and produce
those messages.

Since they repeat with the same list names, it's probably some web crawler.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
> dnsphyton.
> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
> /var/mailman
> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
> from Mailman import mm_cfg
> ImportError: No module named Mailman


It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
'--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
--with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.

What's in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a
Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Mark,

thanks.
> Am 04.09.2016 um 01:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
> 
> On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
>> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
>> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
>> dnsphyton.
>> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
>> /var/mailman
>> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
>> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
>>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> 
> It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
> '--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
> correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
> —with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.

I ran configure again like this:
mailman-2.1.23/configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman 
--with-var-prefix=/var/mailman

> 
> What’s in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a

ah: the old path to the 10.6 installation
prefix = ‘/usr/share/mailman'
and it should be
prefix:’/usr/local/mailman’

> Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?

yes

seams mailman at least starts after I corrected the prefix, but it’s not yet 
working.
I guess I have to do some more digging into the postfix setup ;-)

thanks again
Matthias

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Hello,

now I’m stuck here:
local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
directory

local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
also finds nothing)

thanks
Matthias

> Am 04.09.2016 um 01:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
> 
> On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
>> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
>> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
>> dnsphyton.
>> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
>> /var/mailman
>> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
>> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
>>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> 
> It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
> '--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
> correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
> --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.
> 
> What's in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a
> Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

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On 09/03/2016 09:53 PM, Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> 
> now I’m stuck here:
> local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
> directory
> 
> local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
> What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
> also finds nothing)


It's in your Postfix aliases for Mailman.

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