eded while pickling an object
This says that the specific message object can't be pickled, probably
because it contains some circular reference. I don't know how that could
happen.
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or
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configuration
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m 02:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
The log I received contains tracebacks like
```
...
admin(24054): File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/email/utils.py", line 168, in
getaddresses
admin(24054): fieldvalues = [unicode(v) for v in fieldvalues]
admin(24054): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii&#x
s will not receive mail.
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On 9/8/24 20:56, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Find the error and traceback in Mailman's `error` log. See
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel for more information.
The log I received contains tracebacks like
```
admin(24054): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(24054): File
rom your cPanel host.
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epted, however Google didn't return success.
Are you using reCaptcha v3. If so, you need v2. Mailman's reCaptcha
support requires v2.
Also, V2 may not do the squares thing.
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ot yet in MM3. MM3 does not support
subscribing to topics and it does not support MM2.1's sibling list
feature, but MM3 is under active development so feature requests can be
implemented.
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virtualenv.html
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duplicate the
issue is more strongly suggestive that this is a cPanel Mailman issue.
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trying to treat these strings as ascii.
I'm still investigating this locally, but so far I don't see the issue.
this could be related to the python version which in my case is 2.7.18
or possibly it's a cPanel issue.
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er to diagnose this. If this is cPanel, see
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel
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ning a utf-8 encoded emoji that can't be encoded as iso-8859-1.
It may be a cPanel issue as both users who've reported in this thread
have cPanel mailman.
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auth.txt except something is wrong in the installation
because all those %(listname)s, %(hostname)s, etc. should be replaced
with values.
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m
templates/de/postauth.txt except something is wrong in the installation
because all those %(listname)s, %(hostname)s, etc. should be replaced
with values.
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= 'https:///mailman/'
(substituting for of course) in mm_cfg.py and then fun
fix_url, see https://wiki.list.org/x/4030616
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sions for all didn’t
fix the problem.
It is not clear what directory is the mount pount for this, but it is
mounted read-only. No one, not even root, can write to it. Look at
/etc/fstab
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above should be `p.wait()`, not `p.wait` and should precede the
`lines=p.stdout.readlines()` statement.
return(lines)
For the permissions issue, you need to run this as the Mailman user or
possibly the web server user, i.e. a user that has permission to read
the list's confi
"our servers send emails to
root@". Perhaps this issue has something to do with specific
From: or Sender: headers in these mails.
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the
Message.get_sender() method. See the doc string at
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Message.py#L115
for how this is determined and how it is affected by the
mm_cfg.USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER setting.
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it would be worth contacting
that server's admin to see if they will whitelist you. Also, setting
VERP_PROBES = Yes
in mm_cfg.py may keep these members from having delivery disabled and
being removed if the probes don't bounce.
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list members.
> Where is the correct place to make suggestions going forward?
Mailman 2.1 is not being updated. See
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-annou...@python.org/message/TJLEX52N2ARNOQBC2ZNYMNV5U226R5NM/
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ce scores and bounce
status for each of the members of a list?
This information isn't available via the web UI. See above.
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nfig you posted initially, I might
have seen that your list had a pipeline attribute and that it was based
on an older version and was missing the WrapMessage handler which is why
the From: wasn't munged.
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gt; Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action to Munge From.
It should be irrelevant when General Options -> from_is_list = Munge
From, but I don't know what cPanel might be doing.
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rectly
th a googlemail user, not from the list, gan google, for reasons alluded
to at <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en>, added the
via stuff.
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ich should be setting jaok and kook = True and the imports of
japanese, korean and korean.aliases should be conditional on those being
False.
In any case, you can just remove those imports from
/oldroot/usr/lib/mailman/bin/paths.py.
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Mailman 3, notably
sibling lists. You can run Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 in parallel on the
same server. I recommend installing Mailman 3 via
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and testing
your things. Mailman 3 is definitely the path going forward.
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On 5/8/24 00:51, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'listas.colegioderegistradores.es'
This is the issue. POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS is a list of strings,
not a string. It needs to be
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['listas.colegioderegistradore
o, on the list's General Options
page what is the setting for
Host name this list prefers for email.
(Details for host_name)
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o the mailman server has to
diagnose/fix this. With luck, your hosting company can do this. If they
need help, they can get it here.
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
Is the list's domain listed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py?
On 5/5/24 23:58, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
Yes Mark, and in add_virtualhost.
Does the domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS match the list's
host_name as shown on the list adm
ed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py?
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ffice365.com if this is possible and if so, what they require
in the SMTP transaction to accomplish it. Then we could look at what
Mailman/Postfix can do to enable it.
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e to apply 'munge from'
unconditionally by setting General Options -> from_is_list.
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ile LISTNAME
```
This will probably work, but may have undesired effects such as trying
to post to that URL from a public page. You just have to try it and see.
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On 4/24/24 08:36, Dennis Putnam wrote:
On 4/23/2024 2:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Look in the logs of your web server.
Look at the source of the admindb page you are trying to submit. In
particular you are looking for a FORM tag like
```
```
Does that URL look correct? If not see lines 67-95
~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
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To unsu
for a domain.
In addition, Mailman's `error` log will have entries when there are DNS
exceptions in looking up DMARC policy, but all these result in
mitigations being applied as though the policy was `reject`.
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On 4/18/24 08:08, Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users wrote:
I am setting up a Mailman 2 instance and am looking for a searchable archiver.
Is there anything available for Mailman 2 that provides searching?
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030514
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have access to that Mailman system.
My post with the patch attached is at
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/F225LUWUCCGDJVGALHCWBNJTARWDVO66/
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tions... -> Spam filters -> Details for
header_filter_rules if you haven't already.
**Question: Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the
incoming email message?**
No.
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for Mailman 2.1.39. Am I
overlooking it somewhere?
Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation
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On 3/18/24 00:55, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Ah. I thought they were running MM2.
A very reasonable thought considering this is a Mailman 2 support list.
Also, as Steve points out, the error probably doesn't come from LMTP
runner(aiosmtpd) which issues a different message.
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may be
relevant.
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read, but if you are patient and persistent, you eventually get
the result you want.
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x27;/' and without) work?
Is there any parameter configuring this in mailman2?
No. This is all in your web server.
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posted if the mail has a valid DKIM signature.
Where there additional headers beyond the From:, Subject:,Date:, To: and
Reply-To: that you posted?
Most of the `best practices` are things controlled by the host.
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some other issue
between the outgoing MTA and the next hop. These can be diagnosed via
the MTA's logs. Otherwise the delays may be further downstream. It's a
true shame that EMWD is not able to provide the support that they did
when Brian was still alive.
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h that.
When Brain was still alive, EMWD was extremely responsive to these
issues, but I don't know what their current support situation is.
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acy options... ->
dmarc_moderation_action to Munge From and
dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action to Yes. See
<https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC>.
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On 2/21/24 15:00, Christian via Mailman-Users wrote:
Hello Mark Sapiro. On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:50:37 -0800, you wrote:
A better solution is to set the character set for English to UTF-8,
but that requires access to mm_cfg.py on the server, see
<https://wiki.list.org/x/15958250>.
As yo
t requires access to mm_cfg.py on the server, see
<https://wiki.list.org/x/15958250>.
Of course setting the list's preferred_language to German will have
other effects which may be unwanted such as changing the default
language of the web UI and translating the digest boilerplate.
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processes. This means that sending takes quite a long time.
Where can I change this behavior? I would like all mails to be sent
immediately.
You may find some of the results from
<https://wiki.list.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&value=performance&titlesearch=Titles>
helpful.
but finding
and removing the offending text from all incoming message parts
including text/html and other text/* parts in addition to text/plain is
still non-trivial.
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n my inbox.")
And more importantly, threads are not linear. A posts. B replies all to
A. C replies all to A. C's post does not include B's reply.
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est has come in... ;)
Or check the archives at
<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/>.
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so much negative feedback that I
gave up.
You could try putting a `-- ` line at the beginning of the footer to
make it look like a signature. At least some MUAs do not include
signatures in quoted material in replies.
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the member is subscribed. Similarly if Invitation is checked, an
invitation should be sent and responded to before the member is
subscribed. I don't know why this wouldn't be the case.
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/ADWTZKJHXPC6DPD7H2CJBD5EMG6T6ZSR/
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On 12/13/23 18:34, Jim Dory wrote:
On 12/13/23 17:07, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 12/13/23 17:48, Jim Dory wrote:
My bad.. rather than Bad Request error (oiy, my memory), the actual
error when enabling the RECAPTCHA strings is this:
Bug in Mailman version
We're sorry, we hit
OC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel
If all else fails you can edit
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver and set `STEALTH_MODE = 0`
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e a Bad Request error. If
after fixing the template, you still can't log in, We would like to see
the full traceback from Mailman's logs/error log.
It's possible this is a cPanel issue.
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st settings, memberships and member settings. The latter allows
you to rebuild the pipermail archive with bin/arch.
Also see https://wiki.list.org/x/4030682
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;From ' lines in message bodies.
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and to archive the message. It has
nothing to do with REST API authentication.
Let me know if additional information or specific configurations are needed.
Thanks in advance for your support!
What's in logs?, both mailman.log and django's log?
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t possible to have l...@domain.ext instead of list-boun...@domain.ext?
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030534 particularly the note at the bottom
of the page.
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tags, etc.
will be displayed as written.
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%20services
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e365
I'm guessing this is for outbound mail, not inbound.
What is the MTA running on ncsinet.in? You need things in the MTA to
deliver to Mailman. See
https://www.list.org/mailman-install/mail-server.html
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o the
new one?
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030682
As far as redirecting is concerned, You could add/update the MX record
for the old domain to point to the new server
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derstanding’s, answer was also not possible.
It is possible if your provider adds
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
to Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The fact they say it isn't possible means either
they won't do that or they don't know how.
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object has no attribute 'lower'
This is the expected result.
I note the original error was 'No such file or directory'.
I suspect the issue is that the compiled wrappers don't understand the
chroot and are trying to run the driver script at
/usr/lib/scripts/driver
sr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo manually. If you get a response with a
group mismatch error, what does it say?
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test/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-hyperkitty-shows-example-com-or-something-else
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s cPanel. See
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel - Mailman's files
should be in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman
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recommend Mailman 3. See
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html
Mailman 2.1 is past end of life and will only become more difficult to
support as time goes on. In particular, it requires Python 2 which is
also end of life and is being dropped from many distros.
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On 11/3/23 07:36, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote:
Hello,
I'm hoping you all could point me towards some good commercial providers
that offer Mailman lists to customers?
There is a list at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services
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gests will never be sent based on size.
What you want is to set digest_send_periodic to Yes and adjust mailman's
crontab to run cron/senddigests weekly.
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?
There are various ways to request unsubscription of an arbitrary address.
See for example https://your.lists.server/mailman/options/re-renches
This is why unsubscription by any means that is not authenticated with
your list password requires confirmation.
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ch will override the defaults
from Defaults.py.
Also see https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel for info about
cPanel.
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ail address. This is intended to enable identification of
the recipient otherwise redacted from "spam report" feedback loop messages.
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this as an
attachment rather than inline, that's an issue with the MUA.
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707 for more.
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nclude links. These templates are not the default because Mailman
core which sends the messages doesn't know if you even have a web UI or
what its URL is.
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set_mod -u
But they are not being un-moderated.
Is it because of the emergency moderation flag?
If "Emergency moderation of all list traffic" is set to Yes, all posts
are moderated regardless of the moderation status of the poster.
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On 8/22/23 2:50 PM, Russell Clemings wrote:
What's the logic behind that? I should have mentioned that I'll be doing
this in PHP so I'll have to replicate it.
It works the same in PHP. See
https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.bitwise.php
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derated? Automatically, I mean.
I know the "moderated" value is 128, but I don't understand how (or if it's
even possible) to pull out the value for a single flag.
For example, in Python
```
for user, opts in user_options.items():
if opts & 128:
print(user
account at
>python.org first.
The presence of the anonymous subscribe form on the list's info page is
controlled by a site wide setting. This is set to not show the form for
python.org lists because it was heavily abused to maliciously subscribe third
parties.
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Sen
Munge From or Wrap Message
dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action is Yes
and if the issue is with mail From: the gmail.com domain
dmarc_moderation_addresses contains ^.*@gmail\.com$
Also your list domain should publish an spf record and should DKIM sign
all outgoing mail.
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email table
and non-plain text parts are stored in a hyperkitty_attachment table.
See
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/hy...@python.org/message/KK6DQWWZEJOGQCF4YNEZUQA3MCBCGQQF/
for an example of what this looks like in HyperKitty.
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is a limitation of the archiver.
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l for more
information, particularly the numbered items nearer the end.
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and post there. That is the appropriate list for Mailman
3/Postorius/HyperKitty.
Things to check are errors in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log and whether
messages are queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ dire
On 7/18/23 06:44, Juergen Dollinger wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
gpg --receive-keys 953B8693
I never needed that key because I use the Debian Package, but there
seems to be something wrong with the key (or the keyserver
keys.openpgp.org):
I was able to retrieve my key from keys.openpgp.org
ou can look
for a repository that allows you to install it as a package for your OS.
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