Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging question
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 07:54:33AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: See http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9. Thanks Mark. I hadn't found that page. That was plenty to fix it. I'd looked at the wiki without finding that. Maybe it's because the Site Administrator Tasks page it's linked from is an unordered hodge-podge. Maybe I didn't find it because debugging an install seemed like something that would be included in Downloading and Installing, or Integration Issues. Since Downloading and Installing and Integration Issues are also tasks for the site administrator, would it make better sense to also break out sections on Debugging, Site Upgrades, and perhaps Mods? Or maybe to fold thse all under Site Administrator Tasks but have that all subsectioned logically, rather than a mostly-random list? I know - it's a wiki and presumably I could jump in and rearrange stuff. I'd do that, if there's a sense that it's appropriate and no one with real expertise on Mailman wants to take it on. Best, Whit -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging question
on 4/2/09 9:11 AM, Whit Blauvelt said: Since Downloading and Installing and Integration Issues are also tasks for the site administrator, would it make better sense to also break out sections on Debugging, Site Upgrades, and perhaps Mods? Or maybe to fold thse all under Site Administrator Tasks but have that all subsectioned logically, rather than a mostly-random list? Problem is, what makes sense for one person doesn't necessarily make sense for someone else. What's there is not as well organized as it could be, but from my perspective it's not so horribly bad. That said, perhaps there is some middle ground that might be more useful than what we have now, and would make sense to a broader group of people. IMO, what would be really useful would be a tagging-based system, so that a single entry could show up in multiple sections. But I think that would mean either a complete re-write of the wiki code itself, or at least a substantial change to the way we use the wiki. I'm not sure that either of those are feasible in the short term. I know - it's a wiki and presumably I could jump in and rearrange stuff. I'd do that, if there's a sense that it's appropriate and no one with real expertise on Mailman wants to take it on. I'd say that you have the power to make whatever changes you think should be made, and if we don't like them then we can revert to earlier versions. So, feel free to hack away! -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging question
Whit Blauvelt wrote: I know - it's a wiki and presumably I could jump in and rearrange stuff. I'd do that, if there's a sense that it's appropriate and no one with real expertise on Mailman wants to take it on. Oh, I've been trying to find someone willing to do this for months now (pretty much since I moved the FAQ wizard stuff to the new wiki). If you want to volunteer, please do so with my blessing! The current FAQ is ordered by number when the answer was added which is why it's kinda hard to find things. No organization other than the top level sections. If you could keep those old numbers in the post somewhere so anyone searching for old FAQ entry 4.24, say, can just search for 4.24 and find it, that would be good. But other than that, please feel free to take a stab at it. Pretty please? :) Terri -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging question
Whit Blauvelt wrote: Okay, after an old Gentoo server died that was running mailman happily for years with sendmail, I rebuilt things on Ubuntu using a stock postfix with a custom-compiled mailman. The web interface all looks fine - the lists and their users are there - and the aliases are in place. But mail coming in disappears without an error message to tell me why. For instance: Mar 31 10:37:13 green postfix/local[28766]: 4E92B17FBEA: to=xyz-annou...@mm.xyz.org, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.02/0.02/0/0.4, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /web/mailman/mail/mailman post xyz-announce) Nothing happens further. No error message shows in any system log. Now, obviously I've set up something wrong. But how do I get some useful debugging messages so I can get properly clued here? Have you started Mailman (bin/mailmanctl start)? The above log entry says the mail was successfully delivered to the mail wrapper, and in the absence of an error reported back to postfix, was placed in Mailman's qfiles/in queue. Is it still there? Is there anything in Mailman's error or other logs? See http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Debugging question
Okay, after an old Gentoo server died that was running mailman happily for years with sendmail, I rebuilt things on Ubuntu using a stock postfix with a custom-compiled mailman. The web interface all looks fine - the lists and their users are there - and the aliases are in place. But mail coming in disappears without an error message to tell me why. For instance: Mar 31 10:37:13 green postfix/local[28766]: 4E92B17FBEA: to=xyz-annou...@mm.xyz.org, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.02/0.02/0/0.4, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /web/mailman/mail/mailman post xyz-announce) Nothing happens further. No error message shows in any system log. Now, obviously I've set up something wrong. But how do I get some useful debugging messages so I can get properly clued here? Thanks, Whit -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
