[Mailman-Users] Re: Subject field not included in wrapper of DMARC emails

[Sam Kuper]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 10:34:08AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Thank you for reporting this. It is a bug. It turns out that the logic
> for determining the headers in the wrapper does not include Subject:
> in the case where the list has no subject_prefix.
> 
> This is now reported at
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1915655

Thanks for investigating and filing a report for the bug!

Sending much Free Software love to Gnu, this V-day.  Thank you for
maintaining Mailman :)


> Perhaps you can convince the admins of the Mailman site to apply the
> patch or add a subject_prefix to the list, either of which will avoid
> the issue.

I will alert the admins to this thread.


On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 12:37:54PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Just for the record, that patch had issues. Here's the patch that will
> be committed [...]

Thank you for double-checking the patch!

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Subject field not included in wrapper of DMARC emails

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/14/21 10:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> Thank you for reporting this. It is a bug. It turns out that the logic
> for determining the headers in the wrapper does not include Subject: in
> the case where the list has no subject_prefix.
> 
> This is now reported at 
> 
> Although I know you don't control the list, here's the patch I will
> commit after testing


Just for the record, that patch had issues. Here's the patch that will
be committed:
```
> === modified file 'Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py'
> --- Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py   2018-06-17 23:47:34 +
> +++ Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py   2021-02-14 19:51:07 +
> @@ -63,13 +63,19 @@
>  # make a copy of the msg, then delete almost everything and set/copy
>  # what we want.
>  omsg = copy.deepcopy(msg)
> +# If CookHeaders didn't change the Subject: we need to keep it too.
> +# Get a fresh list.
> +keepers = list(KEEPERS)
> +if 'subject' not in [key.lower() for key in
> + msgdata.get('add_header', {}).keys()]:
> +keepers.append('subject')
>  for key in msg.keys():
> -if key.lower() not in KEEPERS:
> +if key.lower() not in keepers:
>  del msg[key]
>  msg['MIME-Version'] = '1.0'
>  msg['Message-ID'] = Utils.unique_message_id(mlist)
>  # Add the headers from CookHeaders.
> -for k, v in msgdata['add_header'].items():
> +for k, v in msgdata.get('add_header', {}).items():
>  msg[k] = v
>  # Are we including dmarc_wrapped_message_text?  I.e., do we have text and
>  # are we wrapping because of dmarc_moderation_action?
> 
```


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Subject field not included in wrapper of DMARC emails

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/13/21 10:44 PM, Sam Kuper wrote:
> 
> Most of the mail on that list comes through just fine.
> 
> DMARC email comes through with the Subject: field blank, though.
> 
> Is that expected?


Thank you for reporting this. It is a bug. It turns out that the logic
for determining the headers in the wrapper does not include Subject: in
the case where the list has no subject_prefix.

This is now reported at 

Although I know you don't control the list, here's the patch I will
commit after testing
```
> === modified file 'Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py'
> --- Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py   2018-06-17 23:47:34 +
> +++ Mailman/Handlers/WrapMessage.py   2021-02-14 18:20:24 +
> @@ -63,13 +63,17 @@
>  # make a copy of the msg, then delete almost everything and set/copy
>  # what we want.
>  omsg = copy.deepcopy(msg)
> +# If CookHeaders didn't change the Subject: we need to keep it too.
> +if 'subject' not in [key.lower() for key in
> + msgdata.get('add_header', {}).keys()]:
> +KEEPERS.append('subject')
>  for key in msg.keys():
>  if key.lower() not in KEEPERS:
>  del msg[key]
>  msg['MIME-Version'] = '1.0'
>  msg['Message-ID'] = Utils.unique_message_id(mlist)
>  # Add the headers from CookHeaders.
> -for k, v in msgdata['add_header'].items():
> +for k, v in msgdata.get('add_header', {}).items():
>  msg[k] = v
>  # Are we including dmarc_wrapped_message_text?  I.e., do we have text and
>  # are we wrapping because of dmarc_moderation_action?
```
Perhaps you can convince the admins of the Mailman site to apply the
patch or add a subject_prefix to the list, either of which will avoid
the issue.

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[Lars Bjørndal]

Hi, list!

What does this error message, from /var/log/mailman/error means:

Feb 04 13:33:04 2021 (1289) Uncaught runner exception: 'list' object has no 
attribute 'splitlines'
Feb 04 13:33:04 2021 (1289) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 119, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 190, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
_dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 159, in process
not mlist.HasExplicitDest(msg) and \
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1566, in HasExplicitDest
aliases = self.acceptable_aliases.splitlines()
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'splitlines'

Feb 04 13:33:04 2021 (1289) SHUNTING: 
1612441983.547279+307df38e5cee54b2402dff84906a4f3ab88755d3

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Nestor Praslin]

Hi dear mailman user is there any step by step video in youtube maybe with
the requirements and the installation process?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Nestor Praslin 
wrote:

> Hi dear, how are you doing, I have a question?can anybody help me install
> mailman and make it run? I like to get in touch with you if so so that
> maybe ca help me installl it in my server because I have installed via
> webmin once but didn`t get it to run.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:35:33 -0500, Nestor Praslin writes:
>Hi dear mailman user is there any step by step video in youtube maybe with
>the requirements and the installation process?

I went to youtube.
I searched for "mailman tutorial".  The first 3 hits seem to be what
you are looking for, one for 'with Cpanel' - so either exactly what you
are looking for or 'you can skip this one'.

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[Nestor Praslin]

Hi dear, how are you doing, I have a question?can anybody help me install
mailman and make it run? I like to get in touch with you if so so that
maybe ca help me installl it in my server because I have installed via
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Thank you for your reply.

QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) in Defaults.py

Mesages are being archived almost immediately. There is nothing in the in/
queue.

There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
growing. Is that significant?

A message sent yesterday at 12:30 was received by Mailman within seconds.
It delivered at 3:30. The smtp.log for that message shows:

May 13 15:32:36 2013 (26531)
0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local
smtp to test7 for 2 recips, completed in 0.020 seconds


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
   Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
  it was accepted by the Mailman server.


 We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
 the sequence is:

  - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
  - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
  - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
 relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
 mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
 meaning relay via the local Postfix.


  The Mailman server has logs that
  show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
  However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
  to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x
 recipients'


 OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
 Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
 immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
 time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

 What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
 or less or hours?

 I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
 both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

 If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
 are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

 Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
 queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
 OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
 queue quickly or not.

 Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
 can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
 moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Mark, I was reading some previous posts about Mailman and qfiles. Late
yesterday, I found a couple of *.bak files in the out/ queue, so I moved
all the *.bak and *.pck files to another directory. I restarted Mailman.
Mail was not still not being delivered in a timely way.

Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix main.cf.
A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.

I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.

So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
.pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
doing this.

BTW - The posts that I read above involved you. so thanks for the
indirect assistance.




On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Christopher Adams adam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thank you for your reply.

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) in Defaults.py

 Mesages are being archived almost immediately. There is nothing in the in/
 queue.

 There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
 growing. Is that significant?

 A message sent yesterday at 12:30 was received by Mailman within seconds.
 It delivered at 3:30. The smtp.log for that message shows:

 May 13 15:32:36 2013 (26531)
 0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local
 smtp to test7 for 2 recips, completed in 0.020 seconds


 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
   Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows
 that
  it was accepted by the Mailman server.


 We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
 the sequence is:

  - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
  - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
  - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
 relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
 mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
 meaning relay via the local Postfix.


  The Mailman server has logs that
  show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list
 'test7'.
  However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually
 sends
  to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x
 recipients'


 OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
 Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
 immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
 time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

 What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
 or less or hours?

 I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
 both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

 If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
 are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

 Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
 queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
 OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
 queue quickly or not.

 Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
 can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
 moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
 before being sent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/14/2013 08:26 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
 growing. Is that significant?


Your out/ queue is hopelessly backlogged. I'm not sure why. See the post
at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-January/072778.html.

I am guessing that Mailman is delivering directly to the remote server
(SMTPHOST = 'remote.server' in mm_cfg.py) and that the remote server is
not keeping up with peak rates causing the queue to become backlogged.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/14/2013 09:28 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix main.cf.
 A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
 permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.
 
 I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
 to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.


So, Mailman is delivering via the local Postfix and not directly to the
remote server.

Postfix was doing DNS lookups on the sending domain for all messages
which slowed it way down. You avoided this by the change you made.


 So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
 .pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
 doing this.


You can move the .pck files back without stopping/starting Mailman.

If you move the .bak files without renaming them, they won't be
processed until you restart Mailman. If you rename them to .pck, they
will be processed along with the others without a restart.

BUT, the messages in the .bak files have been 'partially' processed and
possibly delivered to some recipients. You can examine the .bak files
with bin/dumpdb -p to see what they contain and decide if you want to
reprocess them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Thank you, Mark.

SMTPHOST = 'localhost' in Defaults.py

The out/ queue is now clear and processing mail. I'll see how it goes.
Thanks, again.

On another note, what are thoughts about utilizing SpamAssasin or other
spam software with Postfix and Mailman. It seems that a lot of the traffic
that is going through the Mailman server is spam, quite a bit which is
flagged and blocked by using RBLS in  postfix smptd_recipient_restrictions.
I am seeing upwards to 8,000 messages blocked every day. Is there a more
efficient way to manage this without making it a full time job? :)


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/14/2013 09:28 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
  Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix
 main.cf.
  A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
  permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.
 
  I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
  to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.


 So, Mailman is delivering via the local Postfix and not directly to the
 remote server.

 Postfix was doing DNS lookups on the sending domain for all messages
 which slowed it way down. You avoided this by the change you made.


  So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
  .pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
  doing this.


 You can move the .pck files back without stopping/starting Mailman.

 If you move the .bak files without renaming them, they won't be
 processed until you restart Mailman. If you rename them to .pck, they
 will be processed along with the others without a restart.

 BUT, the messages in the .bak files have been 'partially' processed and
 possibly delivered to some recipients. You can examine the .bak files
 with bin/dumpdb -p to see what they contain and decide if you want to
 reprocess them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail. I can't figure
out where it is getting hung up. Sometimes delivery takes 2-8 hours from
the time it was posted.

May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/smtpd[15145]: 692E8199849A:
client=remote.mail.server[xxx.xxx.xxx.xx]
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/cleanup[15168]: 692E8199849A:
message-id=0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local

May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/qmgr[17481]: 692E8199849A:
from=prvs=1845613428=my.addr...@my.mail.server, size=4112, nrcpt=1 (queue
active)
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/local[15169]: 692E8199849A: to=
te...@mailmanserver.com, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.02/0/0/0.1,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test7)
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/qmgr[17481]: 692E8199849A: removed


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/09/2013 01:30 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
  At 12 noon, messages that had been sent but not delivered earlier today,
  suddenly were all sent. This sure seems like a cron (not a con) job, but
 I
  haven't a clue why. As far as I know the only Mailman cron job that runs
 at
  12 noon is the digest generation.
 
  I am really puzzled here. This may be a Postfix/MTA issue, maybe a local
  server issue, but I am mainly curious about the batch send that occurred.
 
  Here is an entry from maillog. It shows a message being delivered to the
  alias, then removed from the queue. The message never gets to the person
  behind the alias.
 
 
  May  9 12:57:49 swiki postfix/smtpd[26679]: E774019985DC: client=
  nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com[98.139.213.127]
 [...]


 Does Mailman deliver directly to the remote server or via Postfix? If
 directly, what does Mailman's smtp log say about the posts that were
 delayed. I.e. a post to a list will have an entry like

 May 09 12:53:47 2013 (6114)
 009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com smtp to LISTNAME for
 237 recips, completed in 4.337 seconds

 which says the the message with message-id
 009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com was delivered from the
 LISTNAME list to (in this case) 237 reqular subscribers and SMTP to the
 MTSA was completed at 12:53:47 (and started 4.337 seconds earlier).

 I suspect they were delivered to the remote server well before and not
 all at once at noon.

 If Mailman delivers via Postfix, what does the maillog say about those
 deliveries?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/13/2013 09:32 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
 from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
 there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail.


Does Mailman send to your Postfix to relay to the remote server. If so,
what are the Postfix log entries for the mail from Mailman through
Postfix to the remote server?

In any case, what is Mailman's smtp log entry for the post (the one for
the message-id of the post)?

The time stamp of the smtp log entry is the time that Mailman completed
smtp delivery of the post to Postfix or the remote server as the case
may be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

 Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
it was accepted by the Mailman server. The Mailman server has logs that
show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x recipients'


The problem is not non-delivery but extremely slow delivery, anywhere from
2-8 hrs,even for a small list (2 subscribers) like the test7 list. The
Mailman server has over 600 lists and 250,000 subscribers. Some of the
lists have 40,000 subscribers. Additionally, there is quite a bit of spam
being sent to the list owner addresses and other attempts at posts by
spammers, many which are flagged and blocked. That is just to point out
that there is a lot going on with the Mailman server.

What would be some reasons for such long delays and why does it seem that
they seem to be released all at the same time. If they have been handed
off to Mailman,where are they held during this long delay?  Are there some
optimizations that could  be made in mm_cfg.py and/or with Postfix? I saw
some reference to some work that had already been done with this, but it
appears to be from 2008.

Thank for any suggestions that you might have.




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 On 05/13/2013 09:32 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
  Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
  from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
  there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail.


 Does Mailman send to your Postfix to relay to the remote server. If so,
 what are the Postfix log entries for the mail from Mailman through
 Postfix to the remote server?

 In any case, what is Mailman's smtp log entry for the post (the one for
 the message-id of the post)?

 The time stamp of the smtp log entry is the time that Mailman completed
 smtp delivery of the post to Postfix or the remote server as the case
 may be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
  Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
 it was accepted by the Mailman server.


We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
the sequence is:

 - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
 - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
 - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
meaning relay via the local Postfix.


 The Mailman server has logs that
 show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
 However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
 to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x recipients'


OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
or less or hours?

I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
queue quickly or not.

Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
before being sent.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Hello,

I have posted here before about mail issues that may not be strictly a
Mailman problem. However, this time there is something Mailman-related that
I need to figure out.

A week or so ago, a remote mail server that all of our list mail goes
through used a spam vendor that had slapped a signature on our server
address, so mail was being held there. i think that was resolved.

After a week or so of mail successfully working, it has tailed off again.
The remote mail server administrator can't identify that there is a spam
problem, though Yahoo and Verizon have apparently temporaily blocked mail
from our server due to the traffic.

In tests, I send various mail (list traffic, subscription requests, mail
directly to the listname-owner address, etc) and it reaches the server, but
goes nowhere from there.

At 12 noon, messages that had been sent but not delivered earlier today,
suddenly were all sent. This sure seems like a cron (not a con) job, but I
haven't a clue why. As far as I know the only Mailman cron job that runs at
12 noon is the digest generation.

I am really puzzled here. This may be a Postfix/MTA issue, maybe a local
server issue, but I am mainly curious about the batch send that occurred.

Here is an entry from maillog. It shows a message being delivered to the
alias, then removed from the queue. The message never gets to the person
behind the alias.


May  9 12:57:49 swiki postfix/smtpd[26679]: E774019985DC: client=
nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com[98.139.213.127]
May  9 12:57:50 swiki postfix/cleanup[26968]: E774019985DC: message-id=
1368129468.24511.yahoomail...@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
May  9 12:57:50 swiki postfix/qmgr[23217]: E774019985DC: from=m...@yahoo.com,
size=3404, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May  9 12:57:50 swiki postfix/local[27542]: E774019985DC: to=
test7-ow...@mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0.9, delays=0.74/0/0/0.16,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test7)
May  9 12:57:50 swiki postfix/qmgr[23217]: E774019985DC: removed

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/09/2013 01:30 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 At 12 noon, messages that had been sent but not delivered earlier today,
 suddenly were all sent. This sure seems like a cron (not a con) job, but I
 haven't a clue why. As far as I know the only Mailman cron job that runs at
 12 noon is the digest generation.
 
 I am really puzzled here. This may be a Postfix/MTA issue, maybe a local
 server issue, but I am mainly curious about the batch send that occurred.
 
 Here is an entry from maillog. It shows a message being delivered to the
 alias, then removed from the queue. The message never gets to the person
 behind the alias.
 
 
 May  9 12:57:49 swiki postfix/smtpd[26679]: E774019985DC: client=
 nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com[98.139.213.127]
[...]


Does Mailman deliver directly to the remote server or via Postfix? If
directly, what does Mailman's smtp log say about the posts that were
delayed. I.e. a post to a list will have an entry like

May 09 12:53:47 2013 (6114)
009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com smtp to LISTNAME for
237 recips, completed in 4.337 seconds

which says the the message with message-id
009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com was delivered from the
LISTNAME list to (in this case) 237 reqular subscribers and SMTP to the
MTSA was completed at 12:53:47 (and started 4.337 seconds earlier).

I suspect they were delivered to the remote server well before and not
all at once at noon.

If Mailman delivers via Postfix, what does the maillog say about those
deliveries?

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[Javad Hoseini]

Javad Hoseini
انجمن پژوهشي آسيب هاي بينايي (راوي)
Research Association for Visual Impairments
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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Stewart Hamling]

Hello List,
I have some lists set up that i essentially use as distribution lists to
communicate with members of an amateur sporting club.
I originally sent a message advising of an event on 22nd and 23rd September.
Last night, I forwarded that message to the list as a reminder, but both the
original message and the reminder message were received as attachments, 1
text document and 1 HTML document.

Is this normal?  I don't believe that it has happened before.

Thanks very much in advance,
Stewart.


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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Dennis Carr]

Set show
Set help
End

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman subject confirm message

[Pablo Arturi]

Hello, is there any way to change the subject of the confirm message when a 
user subscribes to the list?


I just could found the verify.txt file which allows you to change the body 
of the messages, but I would like to change the subject either.


Thank you,
Pablo


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman subject confirm message

[Mark Sapiro]

Pablo Arturi wrote:

Hello, is there any way to change the subject of the confirm message when a 
user subscribes to the list?

I just could found the verify.txt file which allows you to change the body 
of the messages, but I would like to change the subject either.


You can set VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py. This will change

From: listname-requ...@example.com
Subject: confirm 

to

From: LISTNAME-confirm+
Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the LISTNAME mailing list

In order for replies to this message to work, your incoming MTA has to
recognize '+' as a delimiter between a local part and a suffix (in
Postfix, recipient_delimiter = +)

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Dennis Gray]

I am running Mailman on a server hosted by GoDaddy using the Plesk
control panel. I no longer want to run this and have disabled it using
the control panel but it continues to send administrative messages to
members of the list. How can I completely disable it?

Thanks,


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Democrats Abroad IT Team

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Gray wrote:

I am running Mailman on a server hosted by GoDaddy using the Plesk
control panel. I no longer want to run this and have disabled it using
the control panel but it continues to send administrative messages to
members of the list. How can I completely disable it?


If you have access to Mailman's command line tools, you can use
bin/rmlist to completely remove a list.

Please see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/tIA9.

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[Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Chad Rebuck]

I'm moving my list to a new server.  Generating the archive html pages
from the mbox file caused 26 messages with No subject to show up on
the Aug 2011 archive page.  Most of the posts that make up these
entries are in the mbox file with a date of 2002 or 2003.  The html
files are incomplete and contain only fragments of the original
message.  I didn't notice anything obviously wrong with the mbox
content in the few messages I tracked down.  Any suggestions on what
to look for?

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch a2-16v-list

here is the output of the Aug 2011 html page :

Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
More info on this list...
Starting: Mon Aug 1 07:08:50 CDT 2011
Ending: Sun Aug 7 13:52:35 CDT 2011
Messages: 29

[a2-16v-list] initial start problems   Eric Gambon
[a2-16v-list] initial start problems   Steven Arguello
[a2-16v-list] initial start problems   Eric Gambon
No subject
No subject
No subject
No subject
No subject
No subject
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Mark Sapiro]

Chad Rebuck wrote:

I'm moving my list to a new server.  Generating the archive html pages
from the mbox file caused 26 messages with No subject to show up on
the Aug 2011 archive page.  Most of the posts that make up these
entries are in the mbox file with a date of 2002 or 2003.  The html
files are incomplete and contain only fragments of the original
message.  I didn't notice anything obviously wrong with the mbox
content in the few messages I tracked down.  Any suggestions on what
to look for?


Your archives/private/a2-16v-list.mbox/a2-16v-list.mbox file contains
unescaped From  lines in message bodies.

Use /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch to find and fix these. Run

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Chad Rebuck]

That worked perfectly.  I've also located a handful of mbox files from
when the list was using a different domain and a different listserv
application.  Is there a way to import these multiple mbox list
archive messages into my mail archive?

I also may experiment a little with the arch behavior on a newly
created list for test purposes.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 Chad Rebuck wrote:

I'm moving my list to a new server.  Generating the archive html pages
from the mbox file caused 26 messages with No subject to show up on
the Aug 2011 archive page.  Most of the posts that make up these
entries are in the mbox file with a date of 2002 or 2003.  The html
files are incomplete and contain only fragments of the original
message.  I didn't notice anything obviously wrong with the mbox
content in the few messages I tracked down.  Any suggestions on what
to look for?


 Your archives/private/a2-16v-list.mbox/a2-16v-list.mbox file contains
 unescaped From  lines in message bodies.

 Use /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch to find and fix these. Run

 /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Mark Sapiro]

Chad Rebuck wrote:

That worked perfectly.  I've also located a handful of mbox files from
when the list was using a different domain and a different listserv
application.  Is there a way to import these multiple mbox list
archive messages into my mail archive?


bin/arch --wipe listname [/path/to/mbox]

will initialize the archive with the messages in /path/to/mbox or the
default archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox if no path is
given.

Without the --wipe option, the messages in the mbox will be added to
the archive.

So you can maintain the separate mbox files and initialize the archive
from one and add the rest. If you do that, it is best to process the
default archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox last so that if
you ever rebuild the archive, you can process the files in the same
order and maintain the message numbers in the archive.

Or, you can simply concatenate the mbox files into a single, large
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and then run

bin/arch --wipe listname.

Having done this myself both ways multiple times, I prefer the latter
method.

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[Dan Sherbondy]

Where can I see the progress of a mailing? 

 

 

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[Dan Sherbondy]

Is there a way to exclude specific domains from a mailing?

 

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[mary.lanhai]

Dear friend,

 

I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
really appreciate your help.

 

Thank you.

 

Mary

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* mary.lanhai mary.lan...@gmail.com:

 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
 one to it.

Like this one? *facepalm*
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Adam McGreggor]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:20:04AM +0800, mary.lanhai wrote:
 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
 one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
 really appreciate your help.

X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:35:37 +0100

may be applicable.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

mary.lanhai wrote:

I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
really appreciate your help.


You successfully posted this. None of your prior attempts reached the
list moderator. What did you do differently this time?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mary Ma]

Hello Mark,

I indeed had problem before. I tried many times and would got email say,
deliver failed. I email to one of them, he suggested to contact with the
owner.

I'm also surprised this time

Anyway, finally I reach you guys.

Thank you.

Mary

2010/2/24 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net

 mary.lanhai wrote:
 
 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not
 post
 one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
 really appreciate your help.


 You successfully posted this. None of your prior attempts reached the
 list moderator. What did you do differently this time?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Mary Ma wrote:

Anyway, finally I reach you guys.

So did you actually have a question to post or did you just want to
know you could?

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[rguketlov]

Hi
 
I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the admistrator  
and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list dont 
get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what should i  
do.
 
thanks
Rosemary Guketlov
_www.icsspotswood.org_ (http://www.icsspotswood.org) 
_icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org_ (mailto:icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org) 
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
 users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of rguket...@aol.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:32 PM
 To: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
 
 Hi
 
 I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the
 admistrator
 and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list
 dont
 get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what
 should i
 do.
 
 thanks
 Rosemary Guketlov
 _www.icsspotswood.org_ (http://www.icsspotswood.org)
 _icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org_ (mailto:icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org)

You will probably need to contact Lunarpage's technical support to see what
is going on. They should be able to assist you. You will need to provide
them your list email address, the subject line of your the last non-received
post, its date/time stamp, and the e-mail addresses of those who did not
receive the message.

My experience is this tends to end up being an issue on the list member's
end, i.e. either due to an overzealous spam filter, full mailbox, etc.

Brian
EMWD.com
Mailmanhosting.com

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Chris Hallo]

Hello! We have had enough turnover within our non-profit to the point that 
nobody has permissions to add new groups. We can perform membership and other 
management functions on the existing groups however are unable to create new 
ones. We receive a not authorized error message when we try. Would someone 
please contact me at 619-379-6322 and let me know what information is required 
to have either or password reset or this access given? Thank you!

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Secretary, Board of Directors
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dba Gay Men's Chorus of San Diego
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Chris Hallo wrote:

Hello! We have had enough turnover within our non-profit to the point that 
nobody has permissions to add new groups. We can perform membership and other 
management functions on the existing groups however are unable to create new 
ones. We receive a not authorized error message when we try. Would someone 
please contact me at 619-379-6322 and let me know what information is required 
to have either or password reset or this access given? Thank you!


The Mailman site and/or list creator passwords are set with Mailman's
command line tool bin/mmsitepass. You or someone with command line
access to the installation can do bin/mmsitepass --help for more
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Stephen Plumpton wrote:

I would like to create a list for blind people to use to discuss IT
related queries. How do I start a list off and how do people subscribe.

 

Do I need to instal mailman on a Unix based machine as the first step?
Or can a windows machine be used.


It is possible to run Mailman, Apache and an MTA under Cygwin on
Windows, but I don't recommend it. Some *nix OS is better.

You might also consider a hosted service. See
http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg for some possibilities.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Stephen Plumpton]

Hi there

 

I would like to create a list for blind people to use to discuss IT
related queries. How do I start a list off and how do people subscribe.

 

Do I need to instal mailman on a Unix based machine as the first step?
Or can a windows machine be used.

 

Thank you

 

Stephen Plumpton

 

Stephen N. Plumpton

 

Action for Blind People North West Team

 

Technology Officer 

 

Tel:  0151 298 3222

 

The Gateway Centre

71 London Road

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L3 8HY

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Scott Race]

Well, I actually just figured this out.  I set Postfix back to work for
just a single domain, reinstalled mailman and now it's working
correctly. I'll just need to do the advanced config for the multiple
domains.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Race
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:50 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

 
Hello,
I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually
will have mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time
figuring out what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at
least one mailman list working on one domain.  However, it's currently
somewhat configured for mutliple domains.
 
At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.
I can send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever
gets posted.
 
One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten
before it can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section
of the maillog here:
 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E:
client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E:
message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
l mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E:
to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , relay=local, delay=0,
status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from
mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]

 
I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just
an idea.
 
So, can join the list fine and receive emails from the mailman server,
just can't post to the list...
 
Any ideas? Thanks a ton in advance.
 
 
-BFC
 
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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Scott Race]

 
Hello,
I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually will have 
mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time figuring out 
what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at least one mailman 
list working on one domain.  However, it's currently somewhat configured for 
mutliple domains.
 
At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.  I can 
send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever gets posted.
 
One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten before it 
can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section of the maillog 
here:
 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E: 
client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E: 
message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E: to=[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to 
mailbox)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from 
mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]

 
I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just an idea.
 
So, can join the list fine and receive emails from the mailman server, just 
can't post to the list...
 
Any ideas? Thanks a ton in advance.
 
 
-BFC
 
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[Jon Hind]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:


So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

yes. Two different addresses.



Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.

Both are CookHeaders.pyc: python 2.3 byte-compiled

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text / correction

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:



So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.



oh wait, on new server its python 2.4 byte-compiled

old server:
 8 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  5776 2007-02-28 22:35 CalcRecips.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3238 2007-03-28 08:43 CalcRecips.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  1370 2007-02-28 22:35 CleanseDKIM.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root   898 2007-03-28 08:43 CleanseDKIM.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  2095 2007-02-28 22:35 Cleanse.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  1273 2007-03-28 08:43 Cleanse.pyc
16 -rw-r--r--  1 root list 15315 2007-02-28 22:35 CookHeaders.py
12 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  8844 2007-03-28 08:43 CookHeaders.pyc

new server:
 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  5776 2007-02-28 22:36 CalcRecips.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2820 2007-10-26 09:16 CalcRecips.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  1370 2007-02-28 22:36 CleanseDKIM.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   833 2007-10-26 09:16 CleanseDKIM.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  2095 2007-02-28 22:36 Cleanse.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1153 2007-10-26 09:16 Cleanse.pyc
16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 15315 2007-02-28 22:36 CookHeaders.py
 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7474 2007-10-26 09:16 CookHeaders.pyc

it seems,that nothing has been edited. only the size is diffent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text (solved)

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.


Someone has put a script into the alias DB.

#!/usr/bin/perl

use Date::Format;

@lt = localtime(time);
$template=%Y-%m;
$datestr=time2str($template, time);

$pipe=|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname;
$counterfile=/var/local/MAInfocounter;
open(CF,+,$counterfile);
while (CF){
$mano=$_;
}
$mano++;
print $mano;
seek(CF,0,0);
print CF $mano;
close(CF);

open(PH,$pipe) || die cannot open Pipe;

while (STDIN) {
$_ =~ s/^Subject: /Subject: [Infolist $datestr Nr.$mano] /;
print PH $_;
}

close(PH);

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?

yes, subject_prefix (general): empty


If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.
I've noticed, that CookHeaders.pyc is bigger on the old server, but are 
the same CookHeaders.py.

I guess, someone had copied it there.



You could try looking at Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py which is where
the prefixing is done. You could also try

grep -r 'text' Mailman/*
where 'text' is the added prefix.

I did it already.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Mark Sapiro]

Sven Schmidt wrote:

Mark Sapiro schrieb:
 Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
 is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?
yes, subject_prefix (general): empty

 If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
 than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
 page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
 there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.
I've noticed, that CookHeaders.pyc is bigger on the old server, but are 
the same CookHeaders.py.
I guess, someone had copied it there.


So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.

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[Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Sven Schmidt]

Hi!

I have one list with a subject text, but it is not shown on the config 
website. I already dumped the config.pck, but didn't find it in there. 
Where could it be?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Mark Sapiro]

Sven Schmidt wrote:

I have one list with a subject text, but it is not shown on the config 
website. I already dumped the config.pck, but didn't find it in there. 
Where could it be?


Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?


If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.

You could try looking at Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py which is where
the prefixing is done. You could also try

grep -r 'text' Mailman/*

where 'text' is the added prefix.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Dragon]

On Wed, March 12, 2008 13:12, David Symes wrote:
 hello there.I would like to know where mailman installs its files etc.i do
 have shell access to my hosting folders.i do know from past experience
 that mailman is still functional after it is uninstalled is i see the
 message there are no lists here or something like it


That depends on how you installed it. If you did it from source and did
not change the location, it will be in /usr/local/mailman

If you installed from somebody else's package, it is probably somewhere
else to conform with the distribution's notion of a proper file
heirarchy. Red Hat moves things around and if you are using Plesk or
Cpanel, they move things too (and support for them is out of the scope of
this list as they haven't shared their changes back to the mailman
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 I like to subsribe mailman.
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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Hugh Rowley]

Hello All,
Quick question from a Newbie Mailman Admin:

Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), 
or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?

I've just set up Mailman (and a Linux server) for the first time and am 
testing, so I'm still quite ignorant about Mailman's capabilities at this point.

If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you 
could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 

Thanks for any info. you can provide!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Hugh Rowley wrote:

Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), 
or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?


It's all in how you set up content filtering.


If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you 
could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 


Set filter_content to No and Mailman will pass the message essentially
as received except for the addition of msg_header and msg_footer if
any. If these cause problems, set them empty. (See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mikael Hansen]

On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:47, Mark Sapiro wrote:
[Re: Looking to migrate off of Majordomo]

 List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held  
 (un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list  
 admin tasks require a web interface or shell access with write  
 permission to the Mailman installation.

I am hesitant to ask this as I should wait until one day when I can  
investigate it myself in more depth, but when the moderator approves  
or rejects, how can the moderator (using the web interface to send)  
receive a copy of the email going to the member? A forward of the  
moderated message does not include the moderator's decision.

And is there an archive of such decisions (and invitations etc)  
available to the moderator? I feel I must have overlooked the obvious.

Mikael

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Allan Hansen]

You may also want to change add_members as follows:

from 

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ...

to

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ...

in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change)

Allan


On vendredi 12 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:

  Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get :
 
  Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/sync_members, line 286, in ?
  main()
File /usr/sbin/sync_members, line 259, in main
  s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
  UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position
  3: ordinal not in range(128)
 
  Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars?

 There is a problem with the script, however at the point of the above
 error, the user had already been added and it is only in formatting the
 name and address for printing in the 'Added :' message that the error
 occurs.

 I think you can simply change line 289 of sync_members to

 s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr))

 to avoid this problem. Please try that and report.

Yes, it works. There are 2 lines with this call; I also had to change the 
first one to make it work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Allan Hansen wrote:

You may also want to change add_members as follows:

from


mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ...

to

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ...

in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change)


What Mailman version is this? No Mailman 2.1.x as distributed by the
Mailman project calls the setDeliveryStatus list method.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Ben Botes]

Good day,

 

When importing a mailing list using mass import, is there a way that one can
import the persons name and email address at the same time?

 

Regards

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Ben Botes wrote:

When importing a mailing list using mass import, is there a way that one can
import the persons name and email address at the same time?


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.044.htp.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Nicoll, Alan]

We are migrating about 300 lists from majordomo to mailman and would like
some help finding how to setup a few properties.  We've worked at this a
while and been unable to find where/how to set these.  (See below for
background.)

 

1.  We don't want any 'list owners' or 'moderators'.  Just we lucky few
admins will run the lists.

2.  We want the majority of the lists to be open for users to
subscribe/unsubscribe without any passwords required.

3.  We want the other very few lists to be setup so only the single list
admin(s) adds and removes names from the list.

4.  All of the lists are for broadcast only with the majority being used by
automated processes that do not react nicely to bounces or other
administrivia and are not members of each list.

 

Background:

We are producing a large mechatronics application with ~700
developers/testers, etc.  Our bug tracking, build and other automated
systems generate emails that get broadcast via these lists (the majority of
them).  The other lists are used by admins for system outage and other such
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Nicoll, Alan wrote:

We are migrating about 300 lists from majordomo to mailman and would like
some help finding how to setup a few properties.  We've worked at this a
while and been unable to find where/how to set these.  (See below for
background.)

 

1.  We don't want any 'list owners' or 'moderators'.  Just we lucky few
admins will run the lists.


You don't need 'moderators', but you do need 'owners'. Mailman sends
various notices to listname-owner and this is in turn forwarded to the
list owner address(es) which should be deliverable. Presumably the
owner(s) will be you few lucky admins.


2.  We want the majority of the lists to be open for users to
subscribe/unsubscribe without any passwords required.


I'm not sure what you really are asking. List members have passwords to
allow them to authenticate for things like visiting private archives,
changing user options and unsubscribing without confirmation, but if
they don't need to do these things, they don't need to know/use any
password.

If you want users to be able to subscribe without confirmation, you
need to set

ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes

in mm_cfg.py and then set the list's Privacy options...-Subscription
rules-subscribe_policy to None.

Users cannot unsubscribe without either a password, a confirmation
email, or admin action.


3.  We want the other very few lists to be setup so only the single list
admin(s) adds and removes names from the list.


Set Privacy options...-Subscription rules-subscribe_policy to Require
Aproval and set Privacy options...-Subscription
rules-unsubscribe_policy to Yes to prevent users from (un)subscribing
themselves and then manage the membership via the admin Membership
Management...-Mass Subscription and Mass Removal pages or the
bin/add_members and bin/remove_members command line tools.


4.  All of the lists are for broadcast only with the majority being used by
automated processes that do not react nicely to bounces or other
administrivia and are not members of each list.


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
for advice on one-way lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/22/07, Nicoll, Alan wrote:

  1.  We don't want any 'list owners' or 'moderators'.  Just we lucky few
  admins will run the lists.

Then use a single central alias or mailing list as the list owner for 
each of those lists, and have that be directed to your admins.  For 
one site I help administer, listmaster is the registered owner of 
virtually all mailing lists on the system, and that in turn is an 
alias which gets sent out to a few admins on the project.

  2.  We want the majority of the lists to be open for users to
  subscribe/unsubscribe without any passwords required.

If your lists are publicly accessible, this will open you up to being 
abused as a DDOS facility.  Imagine your personal e-mail address 
being subscribed to several hundred mailing lists that don't do any 
validation or require any confirmation that you do actually want to 
be subscribed.

If these lists are not publicly accessible, and you have adequate 
security controls elsewhere, then you should be okay.


However, even if the users are directly subscribed and without 
confirmation, they'll still be issued passwords and those passwords 
will be sent out to them on a monthly basis, so that they have the 
ability to log into a web site on your server and manage their 
subscriptions.

I guess you could simply choose not to run the standard cron job for 
mailpasswds, but that won't prevent the system from generating the 
passwords for the user, just from having it send out those password 
reminders on a monthly basis.

You're not going to get completely rid of this feature, at least not easily.

  3.  We want the other very few lists to be setup so only the single list
  admin(s) adds and removes names from the list.

As above, but make sure that these lists require approval (from the 
list owner/admin staff).

  4.  All of the lists are for broadcast only with the majority being used by
  automated processes that do not react nicely to bounces or other
  administrivia and are not members of each list.

Mailman should handle issues with bounces internally, unless the 
recipient has a broken mail system which sends bounces back to the 
original sender.  You've seen some of that on this list, and I nuked 
the users in question very quickly, because I didn't want them to get 
into auto-responder wars with others on the list.

That said, you could always configure your automated processes to use 
a sender address that can handle bounces or auto-replies, and which 
is on the appropriate white list for each mailing list, so that it 
no longer matters whether bounces or auto-replies are sent back to 
the original sender or not.

Since you provide the sender address as input to the process when the 
message is generated, you can make this whatever you want.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

However, even if the users are directly subscribed and without 
confirmation, they'll still be issued passwords and those passwords 
will be sent out to them on a monthly basis, so that they have the 
ability to log into a web site on your server and manage their 
subscriptions.


The sending of reminders is a list option (on General
Options/Notifications). It can be defaulted to Off with

DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = No

in mm_cfg.py.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[picon]

Hi there

I have been trying to sort out this isue for a while now and I'm not
getting anywhere.

Every morning I get the following yet, there are no such mails waiting.
I am running mandriva 2007.0, mailman-2.1.9-1mdv2007.0

Does anyone know where to disable these?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:

 So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
 dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
 THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
 From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
 March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
 assessment?
 
 
 That is correct, but if you can process the old mbox and identify which
 From  lines without dates are actually message separators, then you
 should be able to identify which ones are not message separators and
 just escape those. I.e. create your own archive cleaner specific to
 this situation.
 

Which is exactly what I did.  I ran cleanarch on the result, and it 
found four instances of bad email addresses, as in foo bar@spam.org 
(the  were part of the address), but luckily, those four instances were 
forwarded messages, and did indeed need to be escaped.

OK.  Now I have a large inbox to re-process (110 MB), but before I do 
that, I have to remove all the previously processed messages from the 
current archive.  The FAQ (3.3. How can I remove a post from the list 
archive / remove an entire archive?) says to edit the raw archive.

Editing 122 MB of raw archive is going to take some time, since I have 
to throw away 110 MB of it.  I'd like to prevent new messages from 
coming into the system while I'm editing it, and I seem to be 
overlooking instructions on how to lock the list.  I find that the help 
message for withlist tells me how to lock the list while I operate on it 
using withlist, but is that what I want?  Can I vi/emacs the mbox while 
it is locked with withlist?

Am I simply obtuse, or is there no way to lock the list while I'm 
editing?  Or do I throw caution to the winds and blithely edit without 
concern for incoming messages?

Thanks for all your help, and patience.

Metta,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Barry Warsaw]

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On May 25, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

 Editing 122 MB of raw archive is going to take some time, since I have
 to throw away 110 MB of it.  I'd like to prevent new messages from
 coming into the system while I'm editing it, and I seem to be
 overlooking instructions on how to lock the list.  I find that the  
 help
 message for withlist tells me how to lock the list while I operate  
 on it
 using withlist, but is that what I want?  Can I vi/emacs the mbox  
 while
 it is locked with withlist?

 Am I simply obtuse, or is there no way to lock the list while I'm
 editing?  Or do I throw caution to the winds and blithely edit without
 concern for incoming messages?

Hi Ivan,

Can you just turn off mailmanctl while you're editing the inbox?   
Okay, this will shut down your Mailman system globally, which you  
might not want to do, but it's as safe as it gets.

If you specifically want to block messages just to the list your  
editing, then yes, lock it with bin/withlist and just edit the mbox.

Another option is to restart mailmanctl but temporarily disable the  
ArchRunner.  You should be safe to edit the mbox file then, and just  
delay updating all your archives (including the mbox archives) until  
you've finished your surgery, while the rest of the system continues  
to churn away.

Cheers,
- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
Ah, thanks, Barry.  I will try one of these methods, probably the 
withlist one, and report back later today.  If all goes well, I'll be 
able to update two FAQ entries, the one about removing archive entries 
and the one about importing messages/archives into your mailing list.

Metta,
Ivan

Barry Warsaw wrote:
 
 
 Can you just turn off mailmanctl while you're editing the inbox?  Okay, 
 this will shut down your Mailman system globally, which you might not 
 want to do, but it's as safe as it gets.
 
 If you specifically want to block messages just to the list your 
 editing, then yes, lock it with bin/withlist and just edit the mbox.
 
 Another option is to restart mailmanctl but temporarily disable the 
 ArchRunner.  You should be safe to edit the mbox file then, and just 
 delay updating all your archives (including the mbox archives) until 
 you've finished your surgery, while the rest of the system continues to 
 churn away.
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
I wrote:
 Ah, thanks, Barry.  I will try one of these methods, probably the 
 withlist one, and report back later today.  If all goes well, I'll be 
 able to update two FAQ entries, the one about removing archive entries 
 and the one about importing messages/archives into your mailing list.

I locked the list with withlist.  I then edited the .mbox file with vim 
and deleted 2662737 lines, all the messages that had malformed 'From ' 
lines (no dates at the end of the lines).  On my somewhat slow machine 
(2.2GHZ Celeron), with only a gig of memory, this took about 10 minutes. 
  I was willing to wait. ;-)

After saving modified .mbox, I exited withlist without saving.  I then 
catted the corrected old archive .mbox file to the end of the modified 
.mbox.  Then I ran arch.  That, too, took a while, maybe half-an-hour 
for about 49,000 messages.  Again, I was willing to wait. ;-)

Once it finished, I went to the latest, May 2007, archive index page. 
Here is the top of that page:

 
May 2007 Archives by date

 * Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
 * More info on this list...

Starting: Tue May 1 04:17:11 MDT 2007
Ending: Fri May 25 09:53:46 MDT 2007
Messages: 928


Messages: 928 is a WHOLE LOT better than Messages: 5928.  ;-)

I couldn't be more pleased.  I'm chuffed!  Thanks to everyone.  I'll be 
updating the FAQ entries concerned later today, I hope.  Or would it be 
better to post the corrected entries here first in order to get input on 
them upfront?


I looked at the remainder of the archives, and I found only two 
oddities, both on the same page.  Here is the relevant section of the 
index page:

# Peter Abresch   Ellen Stanton
# No subject   Judith Miller
#   Marilyn Kapp
# Happy: Up, down, up, down...   Jmacampora at aol.com
# Guppy Digest   Jmacampora at aol.com
#   Jmacampora at aol.com
# Guppies/Janet A.   Lanier Dodson

The Marilyn Kapp and the third Jmacampora at aol.com entries have no 
subjects and no links to them.  The previous entries are missing the 
Next message links, and the following entries are missing the 
Previous message links.

I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the 
archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix 
these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?

Metta,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Barry Warsaw wrote:

 The only thing I would add is that the default lock lifetime is 15 
 seconds, so it's possible some other process would have broken the lock 
 during that time.  That you didn't get an exception when you exited (and 
 thus unlocked) the list is a good sign that didn't happen. ;)
 

Urk.  I must live right.

 Given the MailList object, there's no easy way to extend the lock's 
 lifetime.  You can hack the LockFile.py file, or do something like:
 
   m._MailList__lock.refresh(60 * minute)
 

Good to know; I'll add that to the FAQ when I can.

 I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the
 archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix
 these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?
 
 Unsure.  What does bin/cleanarch -n say?
 

$ cleanarch -n guppies.mbox
43413 messages found
$

I was a little off.

Metta,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Barry Warsaw]

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On May 25, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

 I locked the list with withlist.  I then edited the .mbox file with  
 vim
 and deleted 2662737 lines, all the messages that had malformed 'From '
 lines (no dates at the end of the lines).  On my somewhat slow machine
 (2.2GHZ Celeron), with only a gig of memory, this took about 10  
 minutes.
   I was willing to wait. ;-)

 After saving modified .mbox, I exited withlist without saving.  I then
 catted the corrected old archive .mbox file to the end of the modified
 .mbox.  Then I ran arch.  That, too, took a while, maybe half-an-hour
 for about 49,000 messages.  Again, I was willing to wait. ;-)

The only thing I would add is that the default lock lifetime is 15  
seconds, so it's possible some other process would have broken the  
lock during that time.  That you didn't get an exception when you  
exited (and thus unlocked) the list is a good sign that didn't  
happen. ;)

Given the MailList object, there's no easy way to extend the lock's  
lifetime.  You can hack the LockFile.py file, or do something like:

  m._MailList__lock.refresh(60 * minute)

 I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the
 archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix
 these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?

Unsure.  What does bin/cleanarch -n say?

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
 I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
 line, which would make arch think there was only one message.
 
 
 
 Then either the From line doesn't match the pattern
 mailbox.UnixMailbox._fromlinepattern or it is not followed immediately
 (with no intervening lines or maybe even '\r') by a line that looks
 like a message header.
 
 If there is intervening whitespace between the From  line and the
 message headers, that may cause the spurious archived empty messages.
 

Ah.  Now we're getting somewhere.  Here are some sample From  lines:

1)  From the current list.mbox (leading ' ' not part of actual line):
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 18 18:17:56 2007
2)  From the old mbox which I want to incorporate (leading ' ' inserted):
  From robyn m. fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Ryplansky)

And here is the _fromlinepattern:

_fromlinepattern = rFrom \s*[^\s]+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d?\d\s+ \
r\d?\d:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+[^\s]+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$

Now, I don't understand much of this pattern, but it looks to me as if 
a) there's no provision for matching  or  or  characters; and
b) some sort of date/time mark is required.

All the From  lines are terminated with a \n, and all are followed 
immediately by what look like valid message header lines, so I don't 
think those are problems.  There do appear to be 1006 unescaped From  
lines in the old mbox:

$ grep '^From ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
46295  163728 1800087
$ grep '^From: ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
45289  159710 1803623

So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
assessment?

Metta,
Ivan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

Ah.  Now we're getting somewhere.  Here are some sample From  lines:

1)  From the current list.mbox (leading ' ' not part of actual line):
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 18 18:17:56 2007


This is a normal Unix From_


2)  From the old mbox which I want to incorporate (leading ' ' inserted):
  From robyn m. fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Ryplansky)


These are non-standard separators



And here is the _fromlinepattern:

_fromlinepattern = rFrom \s*[^\s]+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d?\d\s+ \
r\d?\d:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+[^\s]+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$

Now, I don't understand much of this pattern, but it looks to me as if 
a) there's no provision for matching  or  or  characters; and
b) some sort of date/time mark is required.


This pattern is used by cleanarch to try to separate a standard Unix
From_ separator from other lines that just happen to begin with From
. It matches
From  followed by whitespace-delimited fields containing
any non-whitespace - email address
3 alphanumercs - day of week
3 alphanumerics - month
1 or 2 digits - day of month
1 or 2 digits, colon, 2 digits, optional colon and 2 digits - hh:mm(:ss)
optional any non whitespace - time zone offset
4 digits - year

So yes, it looks for a single email address and a date in a specific
format. The email address can be bracketed - [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
doesn't really have to look like a valid email address, but it can't
contain whitespace, thus it can't have a 'real name' unless it has no
whitespace such as johnsmith[EMAIL PROTECTED].

This is only used by cleanarch. Pipermail doesn't care about the
contents of the From_ separator. It assumes any line that begins with
From  is a separator and ignores the rest of the line.
 

All the From  lines are terminated with a \n, and all are followed 
immediately by what look like valid message header lines, so I don't 
think those are problems.  There do appear to be 1006 unescaped From  
lines in the old mbox:

$ grep '^From ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
46295  163728 1800087
$ grep '^From: ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
45289  159710 1803623


This seems to indicate a problem, but still doesn't account for 5000
spurious archive entries.


So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
assessment?


That is correct, but if you can process the old mbox and identify which
From  lines without dates are actually message separators, then you
should be able to identify which ones are not message separators and
just escape those. I.e. create your own archive cleaner specific to
this situation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
 But I have one list for which I used archives from two previous 
 incarnations of the list, plus the current archive mbox, as input to 
 arch.  I made sure that the previous archives were in mbox format and 
 that they contained only one From  line per message.
 
 
 Are you sure? Did you run bin/cleanarch against the .mbox file to check
 it?
 

I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
line, which would make arch think there was only one message.


 
 This usually results from a message containing an embedded From 
 somewhere in the message body. The message is archived properly under
 its correct date and subject, but that entry is truncated at the line
 that begins with From . Then the rest of the message is archived as
 a separate message. Since it has no From:, Subject: or Date: headers,
 it is archived with the current date and no subject. Also , text
 following the From  up to the first totally empty (not just blank)
 line is considered part of the header and is not archived with this
 'second' message.
 

That would describe what I'm seeing, except that--
  
 If there is any message body text in the 'No subject' archived entry,
 you should be able to find that in the .mbox.
 

Right, but there are 5,000 entries with No subject and no body, not a 
hint of a body.

 
 The _only_ thing I can see, in the current mbox, 
 is that the end of the last message from the old archives ends on one 
 line and the From  line for the next message begins on the very next 
 line, with no blank lines between,
 
 
 That shouldn't cause this.
 

Good to know.

 
 and everywhere else there are either 
 one or more blank lines or one of those message separator lines from 
 AOL: 
 --MB_8C9379FAFA8ECEC_DAC_6C2A_WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com--
 These bogus entries aren't really hurting anything, I suppose, but they 
 are annoying and it is irritating to have to scroll down 5000 lines to 
 get to the next real message.
 
 
 They are actually, because they represent missing pieces of other
 messages.
 

How to track them down?

 
 What is causing this?  And is there anything I can do to get rid of the 
 problem?  I am willing to live with it if I have to, but I would prefer 
 having a fix.
 
 
 I think you have unescaped From  lines in the bodies of messages. Run
 bin/cleanarch (with the -n/--dry-run option) to check.
 
 Another possibility is you have real looking but extraneous
 (duplicate?) From  lines not followed by a real message with
 Subject: and Date: headers prior to the next From .
 

Do lines beginning with whitespace before a From count?  There are about 
a hundred of those in the input mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
line, which would make arch think there was only one message.



Then either the From line doesn't match the pattern
mailbox.UnixMailbox._fromlinepattern or it is not followed immediately
(with no intervening lines or maybe even '\r') by a line that looks
like a message header.

If there is intervening whitespace between the From  line and the
message headers, that may cause the spurious archived empty messages.



Do lines beginning with whitespace before a From count?  There are about 
a hundred of those in the input mbox.


They shouldn't be a problem.

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[Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
I have managed to recover and restore all the archives, covering eight 
or nine years, for all my mailing lists, following the excellent advice 
and pointers given by members of this list.

But I have one list for which I used archives from two previous 
incarnations of the list, plus the current archive mbox, as input to 
arch.  I made sure that the previous archives were in mbox format and 
that they contained only one From  line per message.  Once I was 
convinced they were all ready, I combined the old archive mbox with the 
current archive mbox using cat, and ran arch.

It worked perfectly, creating archive pages going all the way back to 
1999, except that in the archive page for the month in which I ran arch 
(May) for the day on which I ran it (May 7), I have in the vicinity of 
5000 entries for messages with No subject and no body.  The index page 
for May looks like this:

# [Guppies] Malice 2008   Suzanne Williams
# No subject
# No subject
# No subject
... 5000 entries
# No subject
# No subject
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   peg908 at aol.com
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   Vwright

I tried to find these mysterious entries in the current archive mbox, 
but they don't appear.  The _only_ thing I can see, in the current mbox, 
is that the end of the last message from the old archives ends on one 
line and the From  line for the next message begins on the very next 
line, with no blank lines between, and everywhere else there are either 
one or more blank lines or one of those message separator lines from 
AOL: 
 --MB_8C9379FAFA8ECEC_DAC_6C2A_WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com--

These bogus entries aren't really hurting anything, I suppose, but they 
are annoying and it is irritating to have to scroll down 5000 lines to 
get to the next real message.

What is causing this?  And is there anything I can do to get rid of the 
problem?  I am willing to live with it if I have to, but I would prefer 
having a fix.

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

But I have one list for which I used archives from two previous 
incarnations of the list, plus the current archive mbox, as input to 
arch.  I made sure that the previous archives were in mbox format and 
that they contained only one From  line per message.


Are you sure? Did you run bin/cleanarch against the .mbox file to check
it?

Once I was 
convinced they were all ready, I combined the old archive mbox with the 
current archive mbox using cat, and ran arch.

It worked perfectly, creating archive pages going all the way back to 
1999, except that in the archive page for the month in which I ran arch 
(May) for the day on which I ran it (May 7), I have in the vicinity of 
5000 entries for messages with No subject and no body.  The index page 
for May looks like this:

# [Guppies] Malice 2008   Suzanne Williams
# No subject
# No subject
# No subject
... 5000 entries
# No subject
# No subject
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   peg908 at aol.com
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   Vwright


This usually results from a message containing an embedded From 
somewhere in the message body. The message is archived properly under
its correct date and subject, but that entry is truncated at the line
that begins with From . Then the rest of the message is archived as
a separate message. Since it has no From:, Subject: or Date: headers,
it is archived with the current date and no subject. Also , text
following the From  up to the first totally empty (not just blank)
line is considered part of the header and is not archived with this
'second' message.


I tried to find these mysterious entries in the current archive mbox, 
but they don't appear.


If there is any message body text in the 'No subject' archived entry,
you should be able to find that in the .mbox.


The _only_ thing I can see, in the current mbox, 
is that the end of the last message from the old archives ends on one 
line and the From  line for the next message begins on the very next 
line, with no blank lines between,


That shouldn't cause this.


and everywhere else there are either 
one or more blank lines or one of those message separator lines from 
AOL: 
 --MB_8C9379FAFA8ECEC_DAC_6C2A_WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com--

These bogus entries aren't really hurting anything, I suppose, but they 
are annoying and it is irritating to have to scroll down 5000 lines to 
get to the next real message.


They are actually, because they represent missing pieces of other
messages.


What is causing this?  And is there anything I can do to get rid of the 
problem?  I am willing to live with it if I have to, but I would prefer 
having a fix.


I think you have unescaped From  lines in the bodies of messages. Run
bin/cleanarch (with the -n/--dry-run option) to check.

Another possibility is you have real looking but extraneous
(duplicate?) From  lines not followed by a real message with
Subject: and Date: headers prior to the next From .

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Con Wieland]

I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

constance.frei^M
[EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
  sscm-l

On the web page the address appears as:

constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]

when using list_members listname I get

constance.frei
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  have tried using the examples in the FAQ 3.13. How do I remove a  
user name or email address with an illegal character in it? to remove:

constance.fre
constance.frei^M
constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

All produced errors.
Any help would be appreciated

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University of California at Irvine
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

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On 4/2/07, Con Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 constance.frei^M
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
   sscm-l
'^M' is the control character for a carriage return. With bash, doing:
~$ foo '
  '

will let you type a literal carriage return. This is :
(1) Type your command
(2) Type a single quote ( ' )
(3) Type anything before the line break
(4) Press enter, as if you were going to execute the command
(5) Bash gives you the ' ' prompt; type anything after the line break
(6) Type the closing single quote ( ' )
(7) Press enter, or type in more arguments.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[lookaroundcornwall.com]

A few months ago, I set up mailman to manage bulk email of a
subscription-based newsletter. Only the admin can post. For some reason,
it's stopped working. All posts are moderated, so I usually send a message
to HYPERLINK
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
get a response asking me to authorize the request. I get nothing. And if I
log on to the admin page there are no pending requests. The message isn't
bounced, but it's like it's never received. subscribe and other messages to
HYPERLINK
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
ain.com are similarly ignored.
 
Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?
 
Thanks
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?

If you have shell-level access to the server at mydomain.com (by the
way, please see RFC 2606 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt,
about what domain names to use for examples. :), you should start by
first checking your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim) logs
(generally something like /var/log/mail*) to see if the message you
send is being received. If the mail is getting to the server, next
check to see if the mail is getting to Mailman. This should be in your
MTA logs, as well as in Mailman's logs (post?).

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Bob Minor]

I cannot seem to get the list to print out to me, I am this list  
admin and it only prints out the folks who don't have their hide bit  
set. Since that is everyone, almost, I don't get my list. Is there  
another way to export my list of users the html interface is a bit  
unwieldy for 30k users. If there is a command line to print it to a  
file that would be nice too!

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Jacob Sam-La Rose]

Hi there,

I've recently configured a mailman mailing list.  Among other things,  
I've been thrown by the fact that any time I mention the name of the  
list in the subject: of an email, it gets stripped.  The public  
name for the list is FYI, the prefix for the subject line is FYI -  
and if I write FYI anywhere in the subject line, it's automatically  
removed.  I don't often mention the name of the list, but it'd be  
good to know what to do if I need to.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 1/3/07, Whitcomb, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When someone sends an email with a read receipt request to a list that I
 own, I get a lot of uncaught bounce notifications (I have attached one
 for reference).  I am wondering if there is any way I can stop getting
 all these Read Receipt messages when people send an email to a Mailman
 list, without turning off bounce processing all together.  I tried just
 filtering them in Outlook, but you can't filter on an attachment name.
 I do currently have all of the bounce notifications going to a folder,
 but would like to either stop getting these particular ones, or be able
 to further filter them into another folder.

This sounds like it should really be a user education issue; convince
your users to stop sending 'read receipt' requests.

If that won't work, it might be possible to put together some filter
rules to hold or reject messages with these requests included;
although this is really just a way to reinforce the idea that they
shouldn't be sending them.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Whitcomb, Jeff]

When someone sends an email with a read receipt request to a list that I
own, I get a lot of uncaught bounce notifications (I have attached one
for reference).  I am wondering if there is any way I can stop getting
all these Read Receipt messages when people send an email to a Mailman
list, without turning off bounce processing all together.  I tried just
filtering them in Outlook, but you can't filter on an attachment name.
I do currently have all of the bounce notifications going to a folder,
but would like to either stop getting these particular ones, or be able
to further filter them into another folder.

 

I am on Mailman v. 2.1.6 and Exchange 2003 with Outlook 2003.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Jeff Whitcomb, MCP
Technology Services Manager
Cumberland School of Law - Samford University
205-726-4662

 

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Robert Scott]

How do I use this App?

My incoming mail has been down for 24 hours.

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Robert Scott]

How do I use this App on my Mac G4 with OS X?

My incoming mail has been down for 24 hours.

I also have .Mac

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Larry Stone]

On 9/29/06 6:12 PM, Robert Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do I use this App on my Mac G4 with OS X?

The FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py will lead you to
instructions on how to do that, except...

 My incoming mail has been down for 24 hours.

Mailman won't help you a bit with that problem. Mailman is a mailing list
server, not a mail server. And how are you going to read this reply if you
have no incoming mail?

 I also have .Mac

Completely irrelevant. Why don't you tell us what problem you are trying to
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[mekdes tesfaye]

Dear Sir;
   
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[Richard Gruver]

What do I do if I forgot the admin. password?

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 7/11/06, Richard Gruver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What do I do if I forgot the admin. password?

If you don't know the site password, use bin/mmsitepass to set it, and
then use that to login and change the admin password. (You should know
the site pass.)

Or, just use bin/change_pw to change the list password.

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